₦airaland Forum

If this is delayed for more than one month then know for sure that the FG has made a technical stylish 'U' turn on the policy.

buzorcharles:
Nice one. Any rape case that didn't see the light within 2wks should be consider "Not serious accusation"

Rape victims are psychologically powerless, They need support of society to open up. They need your support not mockery. Don't take pleasure in raping helpless people.

State the contradictions you would not but keep telling me "you are wrong you are antichrist" I believe in rapture, I believe in great tribulation, what then is your problem? Just that I said the great tribulation of God's people must come before rapture.

Kobojunkie:
If you submit that it is really unnecessary, then why do you go on with these tribulation ramblings,

That you called my submission ramblings confirms my guess about you. You are not Jesus Christ, you can only attack my position with scripture not an arrogant statement "you are an antichrist" Antichrist on what scriptural bases. If you are used to intimidating people and they bow, don't think it will work for you every where.You are not ready for scriptural engagement that was why I adviced you to focus on righteousness.

Your problem is that you believe you can never be wrong. That you are an authority in scripture interpretation. Try and convince me with proper arrangement of Scriptures. You shouldn't just flash me a verse or two and believe you have made an impact. I am a scripture student.

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry, but that is not in line what what is written in the Bible. Jesus never said he needed an army on earth. According to Matthew 25 vs 31 through 46, Jesus instead wanted people who would Obey his command and only those who did so would be welcomed into his kingdom, not as part of some army but as people in his kingdom.

As far as your knowlegde of tribulation, don't you think any knowledge you acquire that stands in contrast to what Jesus himself said, is rendered null as a result? Or do you think Jesus did not know what he was saying when he said what He said while he was on earth?

It is not necessary to know every thing in the bible, what is important is to be righteous enough to enter the kingdom of God. Those who have not acquired any form of education will still make it. Arguments on the scriptures will continue to the rapture day. I advice you not to follow any professor but your own heart.

solite3:
Matthew 24:15-16 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

What is abomination of desolation? The answer to this question holds the truth of Great tribulation. Abomination of desolation simply means the things done by beleivers or in the house of God that makes God to take a permanent leave. QED. Before the destruction of Jerusalem temple in 70 CE the level of atrocities by the jewish ruling class was in high heavens. The disciple could not stand the heat of the godlessness and fled to all parts of the world. When the church in the course of time also displayed this abominations God sent the lawless one to lead them to great tribulation. Even today, any church group that displays this abominations God will still take his permanent leave from them. Abomination of desolation occured in 70CE and also occured in 529CE. Daniel 11:16 and 11:31-32, "And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered" Daniel 8:12 KJV

solite3:
The catholic inquisition was not the great tribulation, even before the catholic inquisition the church has passed through persecution similar or even greater ones. The great tribulation is the final tribulation before Christ comes, it will be worst for israel than th the 430 years in prison and 70 years in babylon.

Read the book of Matthew 24, that is where great tribulation came from. Jesus was speaking concerning the jews

Matthew 24:15-16 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

at bolded which latter rain army, where is such in the bible.

Thank you for been a Bible student like me. we have to continue learning until we come to the full realisation of the truth.
"as a good soldier of Jesus Christ" 2 Timothy2:3 KJV, "that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier" 2Timothy 2:4 KJV. All christians are soldiers of Jesus Christ, you are suppose to know this.God sees christians as an army that belong to Him. They can be weak to the point of becoming dry bones, still they are God's army. When christians face the world, what we nomally say is that they are fighting the fight of faith. When the early disciples faced the world in first century they constituted the army of God for the early rain. In the same way do the later rain disciples constitute the army of God for the later rain.
Fundamental messages across the Bible are key to the understanding of the book of revelation. You cannot interpret Revelation or any scripture in isolation. Matthew 24 is not an orphan, in the time table of end time activities noted as seals in the book of Revelation great tribulation is in a period before rapture. We all know that there are lots of tribulations but the great tribulation has a unique definition that can only fit in where it belongs. Please do not forget that God will pay back to the world all they have done to beleivers, this is where many get it wrong. That will be another tribulation greater than the great tribulation of God's people. Even if you are an Israelite or a church goer once you are not raptured you will suffer with the world of sinners. And there will be no one spared including kings and antichrists. That tribulation belong to those that hate God. That is the season of the vials.
"And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever." Revelation 15:7 KJV
Rev_16:1  "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth." Revelation 16:1 KJV

This will be done after rapture as their own version of the great tribulation. No antichrist will stand at this time to torment any body, instead it will be the set time for the tormenting of the antichrist. In the great tribulation antichrist had the mandate to torment christians, but after rapture it will be the direct responsibility of the angels to torment every one left as it happened in Egypt. Read through the vials if you will see any antichrist parading. Antichrist is useless when christians are no longer available. "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain" Revelation 16:10 KJV. When God is satified with tormenting the antichrist, christ will then return with the saints to rule the world for a 1000 years. Note this, before rapture antichrist is an authority, but after rapture antichrist has his turn to receive torment. No antichrist will stand the anger of God after rapture. Our own great tribulation has specific features like (1), an antichrist will effect it, (2), this will come as a result of transgression (3), the church will be in the world at that time. (4). after tribulation comes the last evanegelism for the identification of God's people "the sealing".
This antichrist sitting in the house of God is clearly explained by Daniel, Paul, Peter and John. None of their explanation fit in the period after rapture. Why are some christians thinking of another antichrist after rapture? Of what use will the antichrist be? Is the antichrist not a sinner to be spared the vials? When God punished the Egyptians none was spared, that is the purpose of the vials. The message that the antichrist will come after rapture is a devils lie to hide the antichrist. We know him and his children. Like daughter like mother.

Kobojunkie:
Why in the world would God need, of all things, an army of men? Jesus never mentioned anything about God needing to build an army of men(if anything He already has one - Matthew 25: 31-46

Angels are God's army in heaven and evangelists are Gods army in the earth. God cannot use angels to evangelise.

Don't limit your knowledge of the great tribulation to Matthew 25:31-46

If you don't understand the seal in revelations, you cannot understand the great trbulation revealed in the sixth seal.The seal is countdown of activities to the rapture day. The seventh seal represents rapture season. In the sixth seal season the great tribulation has ended and God has started to do a new work among His people. As far as this world is concerned trouble and meriment for all humans will continue to increase to the very end, but there can never be anyone for christians as humiliating as the 1260 years were whole families were burnt alive or thrown to wild animals by the catholic authorities then. Which 7 years can compare with tormenting of great grand father, grand father, father and son until 1260 years They had to survive in caves desarts and forests. And for the long duration of the humiliations they lost pure interpretation of the scriptures they were ables to preserve. God has promised never to allow that kind of suffering for His people any more instead as the church rises for the second round of evagelism we will be terror to the world. Great fear came upon the whole world as the two prophets got back to their feet and after a while they were raptured. (Revelation 11:11-12) First century was for the early rain, there is a later rain for those who come out of the great tribulation. "you will prophesy again" Revelation 10:11; to prepare them for the geat event of rapture.

Wait...you are saying that at some point in history, the catholic church, and it's designs, were not dark i.e it was of LIGHT?
Those dressed in white meant catholic church? Nevermind that over the centuries, the raiment worn by catholic bishops and priests have not always been white... in fact, the color only recently switched over to include more white than any other color, and there are still bishops who were other colors?[/quote]The sun, moon and stars according to Joseph's dream represents humans. God is the one that raises kings. A king can be raised for good or evil, and once raised he is in charge. The scripture noted that a wicked one will come into the house of God to lead His people into great tribulation. The catholic church dominated the world in the period of 529CE to 1789CE standing as the sun of unrighteousness. And we are told that the sun of righteousness will arise with healing for God's people. Sun of unrighteousness can never be light or the way for rigteouse people. Those dressed in white are another generation of christians long after 1789 CE. The white represents righteousness not simple cloths. "washed their garments" meant they have passed through a period of renewal like the dry bones and have come to the full realisation of the truth according to daniel.

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=89487036]Why in the world would God need, of all things, an army of men? Jesus never mentioned anything about God needing to build an army of men(if anything He already has one - Matthew 25: 31-46).


The dry bones became a great army of men. And they represent God's people

The great tribulation means great abandonment. After the church was abandoned to be persecuted by the Catholic Church because of loss of first love for 1260 years, God had to start a new work to raise the later rain army. The opening of the sixth seal was not the end of the story. In the sixth seal God began to identify His people again. Those sealed are those identified. In Matthew we are told the sun will go dark after the great tribulation. The sun that went dark was the Catholic Church and it's torment of believers. Those dressed on white were told that the heat of the sun will not hurt them again. The scripture meant catholic church. God is now in charge again to lead them to fountains of living water. It means the same thing as what Christ told the samaritan woman.

solite3:
God did not appoint the church for wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Meaning the church shall be taken away before the great tribulation.

GUESS WORK. "Who are these dressed in white......these are they that come out of the great tribulation" Rev.... Great tribulation is over, we are now waiting for these people dressed in white, the later rain army of God prepared to terrorise the world. Note that the 1260 years catholic burnings. Murdering, slaughtering and torture of fellow believers who disagree with them was the Great tribulation. How can 7 years be great trouble after 430 years in Egypt and 70 years in Babylon. Stop making guess work, always consider all scriptures before forming a doctrine.

Many are mocking the existence of God in a perfectly designed universe. When you know little and insult your teacher, a future catastrophic accident becomes inevitable. No gay, no greedy person, will ever believe there is a righteous God but at the end of the day they have the higher percentage of suicide and hypertension. No peace for the wicked. No peace for those who cannot align with God. The euphoria of been above God will certainly clear with age.

Anas09:
Na you get your mouth. Blessed be God you are a nobody to validate who a Christian is.

There is a limit for every sadistic being. God cannot tolerate sadism for ever. More is coming and this empire of sadism will go down. Continue to worship man and believe nobody can correct you. The very wise will always search the scriptures to verify.

Benbellamor:
I Concur It will even GET MEMBERS CLOSER

Some people have been learning for the past 20 years yet they are not able to stand out in their streets or communities as christian. The simple reason for this is that the auditoriums of emotion is not ideal to break away from baby Christianity. The disciples had mass gatherings periodically and little group gatherings daily and weekly.

Benbellamor:
You can now see their True colors... Convid19 keep exposing their true persons.... as you can see He is an attack Dog deployed here but watch how I will drag the dirty mugu

I earlier told you some are bent on fighting the truth, Thank God for COVID 19 they are completely toothless now. Christ and the apostles healed in the streets. Let them who claim to be healers come out of the auditorium of emotions and display their healing powers.

Anas09:
Why wasn't this the case of your father? Why couldn't your father be so ingenious to make so many people keep giving him their money for so many years For him to also give you a better life and stop you from being for envious and petty?

Sorry, skunk. We still go to Church in our various homecells and we still give our tithes and offerings.

Take your frustration to your lazy father.

Are these the kind of Christians in the Winners chapel? Look at what one who calls himself a christian is spewing out in public. Many people are in the church but they belong to thuggery, arrogance and greed. Can't you simply use scripture for your defense; instead of exposing your pomposity.

Benbellamor:
I also prayed that after the Convid19 must have exposed that the healings we heard about in this pastorpreneur Churches Are basically performed on PAID ACTORS WHO ALSO GIVE FALSE TESTIMONIES to feed the SPIRITUALLY LAZY FELLOWS who believe anything they are fed with as they ALREADY SUBMITTED THEIR BRAINS TO PASTORS TO THINK FOR THEM...and are in a confused state due to feeding from MAKE UP TESTIMONIES from paid actors... Now is the time for these ones to be liberated and RECLAIM OWNERSHIP OF THEIR BRAIN so that they start worshiping the only true God who is Not greedy... But wants everyone to reflect the true love that made Christ sacrifice himself for us so that we might LOVE OUR NEIGHBOR AS OURSELVES AND NOT CLASSIFY BRETHREN ACCORDING TO WEALTH... But showing true love to one another..

TRUE TALK. PLEASE DON'T LET ANYONE SILENCE YOU. THESE CAGED ONES NEED MORE AND MORE SERMON TO BE LIBERATED.

Benbellamor:
Convid19 is reseting everything now....You notice that they stop healings since the inception of Convid19 ...They should have used opportunity like this to donate one of their branch as isolation center and start healings from there That gesture alone will add more genuinty to their healings claims.... Convid19 says....TO YOUR TENTHS OH ISRAEL

Time to chat a new course for the people of God. Everything should be reviewed no room for irrelevant things. We have to face reality now or never. Our worship today must consider technology and every tool available today. We should not continue to pretend that we are not in a tech based world. We must return to the true purpose of daily and weekly gatherings. We must not lift an individual high above God. We must not be ruled by emotional worship. We must restrict ourselves to a reasonable number that should allow learning to take place. etc.

I pray that by the time covid 19 is over many wise ones will be delivered according to prophet Daniel "Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white, and be refined; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and non of the wicked shall understand; but those who are wise shall understand.

Benbellamor:
These pastorpreneurs converted that avenue to a means of acquiring uncontrolled wealth for themselves and makes their family the first beneficiary in their church wealth Dynasties

The robbery is glaring. My highest pain is that many wise people in the church choose to be silent.

THE CHURCH STORE HOUSE OF FOOD AND CASH WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR ONLY THE POOR IN THE CHURCH WHICH MAY BE PASTORS OR MEMBERS, WHOEVER IS POOR ONLY. "THAT THERE MIGHT BE MEAT IN MY HOUSE"

With or without rapture people will die and leave this world. A permanent relationship with God is the key, as know one knows when death will come. As for rapture there must be later rain first, the clear Holy spirit evangelical movement that no political wall can stop. Not the man made comic displayed all over the world.

The true church is yet to emerge, when it surfaces the whole world will know. the dry bone will rise again.

josen16322:
in luke chapter 9 verse 1 to 6 GOD called his 12 diciples together and gave dem power and authority over all demons,and to cure corona virus.
verse 2 he sent dem 2 preach d kingdom of God and 2 heal corona virus patient.
verse 3 God said 2 dem take nothin 4d journey,neither staffs nor bag nor bread nor money;and do not have 2 tunics apiece.winners pastor have 3 private jets ogbologbo pastor everywhere in nigeria

God has given them confusion of faces for their error teachings.

Some people erroneously believe that the great tribulation which God's people have never experienced from the days of Noah to 33 CE is only for 7 years. (Matthew 24:21). What a narrow minded reasoning! Israelites were in the Egyptian torment for 430 years, in Babylonian torment for 70 years. How can 7 years be a great abandonment? Great tribulation means great abandonment of God's people. When God abandoned His people in Babylon we have Daniel and others suffering with them.
The falling away noted by scripture which eventually happened after the apostles were gone, brought about God's abandonment of the church. (2Thessalonians 2:3). Please don’t be surprised and don't be fooled the Great tribulation had come and gone, the next is Great evangelism or Greater evangelism before rapture; but sinners will live in fear of the terrible things that will continue to bombard this world.
Truly, the great tribulation has come and gone. The Romans using the Catholic Church tormented, imprisoned, murdered, burnt, starved and slaughtered heretics (true Christians) from 529 CE to 1789 CE (1260 years). How come nobody is singing the chorus of this Catholic bloodshed? This is supposed to remain a song on our lips until the rapture day. There is actually a concerted effort to cover this evil and free the Catholic Church from the blame of hosting the antichrist.
Well, since 1789, the power to slaughter shamelessly is no longer in their hands (about 230 year’s interval). Now the host of heaven is waiting for the emergence of the glory of the church after the great tribulation. The farmer plants and waits for harvest. The new baby grows to the point he or she can stand and walk.
There are lots of tribulations before and after rapture. The tribulation after rapture is for all sinners including the antichrist. It is a kind of the Egyptian plague that affected all including their king. The man of sin, the antichrist, sitting in the house of God changing times and laws, who is responsible for the great tribulation of god's people is to emerge after the 12 apostles have died, and he is to alter the church order. After he has finished killing and tormenting Christians for the period of 1260 years the church will fully recover and carry out the last Greater evangelism, which is a very brief one, then rapture will take place.

The true church is not a church that demonstrates its powers to the world in the competition of erection of fanciful giant worship places but a church that demonstrates its powers by passing sickness and death sentences to wicked rulers and sadistic individuals coupled with the super natural healing of sick people. (Revelation 11:10).
When the Israelites were released from Babylonian captivity, it took them about 400 years before Jerusalem could be restored to its former beauty. The same way the church will have a considerable lapse of time before its healing is complete and glory restored for the second evangelism to begin. (Revelation 10:11).
“These are they that came out of the great tribulation” Revelation 7:14 KJV. This “come out” means recovered or healed or restored or robes washed. It is not referring to believers in 1789 CE but believers after that period that have regained back the glory of God as it was in first century church. Actually, it will be more than that as God had promised concerning the later rain.
This is a divine crowning of glory by God Himself; on the church that has shown maturity of mind after the great tribulation humiliations. This is the dry bone that transformed to become a great army. This is also the 200 million army of Revelation 9:15-16. Only God knows the time the church is matured enough to be given the later rain.
Those who abandon God and continue in idolatry and greed will have confusion of faces. (Jeremiah 7:18-19, Daniel 9:6-. After God ended the great tribulation for Israel and the church, He initiated the confusion of faces for the entire world. This will increase in intensity until the rapture day. After rapture the worst will come. The world is in Daniel’s image feet were no one can boast of been invincible. Individuals and nations will continue to witness abortion of their greed infested plans.
No Christian should live in fear of any wicked ruler or individual. Only give them violent prayers and God will silence them or flush them out. This is the era of flushing anything that stands on the way of evangelism; be they terrorists or evil rulers. We are now in operation flush out obstacles along the evangelism path. This is what the scripture calls tormenting the world. (Revelation 11:10). We are to torment them in this way until the rapture day. They have to know like Nebuchadnezzar that there is a God in charge of this life.
Judgement begins with the church means; the church is the critical area of focus. From 70 CE to 529 CE the focus was on Israel, from 529 CE to 1789 CE the focus was on the church, from 1789 CE till date the focus is on the world of sinners. Don’t expect good news for the world till the rapture day; when the worst will come. Judgement beginning from the church does not mean the world of sinners will be spared of their evil. It is a simultaneous treatment. What we have is change of intensity between the church and the world as time progresses.
As the intensity of God’s judgement increases for the world, we should expect the church to rise to full strength, get raptured and leave the world to experience the worst alone. Noah endured the troubles of the then greedy world with them until he entered the Ark, leaving them to have the worst alone.

The world itself will have chains of troubles from 70 CE till Christ returns to rule the world. What we are waiting for now is the recovery of the church that has been delayed by the the SOLE PASTORS OF THOUSANDS. THE SOLE PASTORS OF THOUSANDS are the last mutations of the tormentor who stood for 1260 years. The antichrist is already with us, he has finished the great tribulation torment, what his army (THE SOLE PASTORS OF THOUSANDS) is doing now is to delay the last evangelism by locking up God's people in prisons of lies which includes the false notion that great tribulation is after rapture. Search nairaland for more about the SOLE PASTORS OF THOUSANDS.

Show me a GO that is not confused today, then I will show you a true man of God.

There are lots of tribulations before and after rapture. The tribulation after rapture is for all sinners including the antichrist. It is a kind of the Egyptian plague that affected all including their king. The man of sin, the antichrist, sitting in the house of God changing times and laws, who is responsible for the great tribulation of god's people is to emerge after the 12 apostles have died, and he is to alter the church order. After he has finished killing and tormenting Christians for the period of 1260 years the church will fully recover and carry out the last evangelism, which is a very brief one, then rapture will take place.

The world itself will have chains of troubles from 70 CE till Christ returns to rule the world. What we are waiting for now is the recovery of the church that has been delayed by the the SOLE PASTORS OF THOUSANDS. The sole pastors of thousands are the last mutations of the tormentor who stood for 1260 years. The antichrist is already with us, he has finished the great tribulation torment, what his army (THE SOLE PASTORS OF THOUSANDS) is doing now is to delay the last evangelism by locking up God's people in prisons of lies which includes the false notion that great tribulation is after rapture. Search nairaland for more about the SOLE PASTORS OF THOUSANDS.

One false teacher here is saying that great tribulation that God's people have not experienced From the days of Abraham to 33 CE is only for 7 years. What a narrow minded reasoning! Isrealites were in the Egyptian torment for 430 years, in Babylonian torment for 70 years. How can 7 years be a great abandonment. Great tribulation means great abandonment of God's people. When God abandoned His people in Babylon we have Daniel and others suffering with them. The falling away noted by scripture which eventually happened after the apostles were gone, brought about God's abandonment. Don't be fooled Great tribulation has past, The next is Great evangelism before rapture. but sinners will live in fear of the terrible things that will continue to shock this world.