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chiagozien:
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guobe:
Don't let anybody deceive you.
The season never ends.

Everyday247:
Experimental

Steep:
<sub>I am tired of going round in circles.
This has being fun.
Once again this is what I copied from A.i review.

The scientific consensus is that the universe is not eternal. The Big Bang theory is the leading scientific theory for the universe's origin, suggesting it began around 13.8 billion years ago. This model suggests that the universe is not infinite and has a beginning in time.
Here's why the concept of an eternal universe is not supported by current scientific understanding:
Big Bang Theory:
The Big Bang theory posits that the universe expanded from an incredibly hot, dense state, suggesting a finite beginning.
Expansion of the Universe:
Observations of the universe's expansion provide evidence against an eternally static or unchanging state.
Entropy:
The concept of entropy, which dictates that systems tend toward disorder, would suggest that an infinitely old universe would be in a state of uniform temperature, with no structure or life.
Finite vs. Infinite:
The question of whether the universe is finite or infinite is separate from whether it's eternal. The universe could be infinite in size but still have a finite age.
Philosophical Considerations:
While the idea of an eternal universe has been explored in philosophy, it's not supported by scientific evidence.

Is it logical to support what has evidence or what does not have evidence?
I am done.</sub>

Steep:
God and the universe do not belong to same category. Take for example the Sun and the Moon, the moon depend on the Sun for her light but the Sun does not depend on anything for its light, they both depend of different category.
God by definition is untreated eternal but the creation depends on God to have its being.

Whether we wants to agree with this we all know that something must be eternal either the universe or something or someone outside of the universe.

Steep:
only a supernatural power can produce things out of nothing.

Steep:
Once again this is what I copied from A.i review.

Is it logical to support what has evidence or what does not have evidence?
I am done.

Steep:
The order and design of the universe plus the existence of life shows there is a living immaterial, spaceless and timeless personal being called God.

Steep:
God is timeless and hence doesn't have a beginning.

Steep:
The current cosmological science backed up by evidence shows that the universe ( space-time-material) has a beginning. It therefore mean that whatever brought the universe into being is outside the universe (space-time-material). Therefore that being is spaceless timesless and immaterial.
All evidence points that there is a being that is immaterial and outside of the universe that created them.
God cannot be created because he is timeless, God cannot come from anywhere because he is spaceless or else he will not be God.

Steep:
According to science life must come from life and non life cannot produce life. Which means all life came from an eternal persistent life and this life is timeless and immaterial.
Intelligence cannot create intelligence only intelligence can create intelligence. However, intelligence is a property of mind and mind is a property of personhood.
Therefore it logical to conclude that a spaceless. Immaterial, timeless and personal being exist who created all things, this is God in basic definition.

Wahala 😂 🤣
In AI we trust!

Steep:
The big bang does not conflict the existence of God.

mathematically it is not possible for the singularity to have existed for all eternity and also physically it is not possible. If the singularity has being there for all eternity what kept it as singularity why did it after eternity dsuddenly exploded remember eternity means endless time, so it makes no logical sense and no evidence what sover for the singularity to have being there for all eternity.
Physicists have tried to work with the model of singularity to be eternal but it does not simply work.
You might think it makes sense but smarter scientists have tried the model but it all failed.

If it worked why do you think atheist scientist like Hawkins could work with it.
The only model that works is a universe that is not eternal.

The big bang does not conflict the Christian world view. There are different explanation.

According to you anything that does not occupy space immaterial and times does not exist right?
Answer this question does space exist? If yes which space does space occupy? And According to your world view space must be timeless right and immaterial else where the material that make up space occup?

seriously, is this even a question? What is the difference between "only a human can give birth to a human" and "every human must give birth to a human"?

it is not a logical leap. Having a beginning means it has a starting point, if the universe began to exist then it is not eternal.

Is science the only way to get knowledge? Can you scientifically prove your answer? Can you scientifically prove moral values?

have you heard of history? Can science prove that the Nigeria civil war happened?

Not outrightly debunked but there is no evidence but as a matter of fact there is evidence against it, which is the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Do they exist? What is their material and what space does they occupy?
So love is an electro chemical process? Has it be proven? Provide link.
Has consciousness being proven scientifically, prove link to it?

So if people do not see anything wrong with rape does that make it OK?
There are many people who don't see anything wrong with it. Since in their Brian rape is OK, does that make it right?

BUGOFF:
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Dtruthspeaker:
Easy. Eternal means something continuing for a very very very long time and still continuing at the time of query.

And since Hammurabi's world till today, people still talk of experiencing the touch and presence of God

Steep:
_{Simple evidence and logical deduction. Evidence shows the sun is not eternal and gets what so is the universe.
The evidence points to the universe not being eternal but having a beginning, likely through the Big Bang.[/b] This evidence includes:
Expansion of the universe:
The observed expansion of the universe suggests it has been growing from a smaller, denser state.
Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB):
The CMB, leftover radiation from the early universe, provides a snapshot of the universe shortly after the Big Bang, indicating it was not always at its current state.
General Relativity:
The theory of general relativity, tested by numerous observations, predicts that spacetime cannot be static and must either expand or contract, suggesting a beginning point.
Second Law of Thermodynamics:
This law states that the universe is trending towards disorder, meaning it cannot have been eternally in a stable state of equilibrium.
Mathematical models:
Some mathematical models, like the Penrose-Hawking Singularity Theorem and Borde-Guth-Vilenkin Theorem, suggest the universe began from an initial singularity.
Observations of the universe's structure:
The distribution of galaxies and the existence of large-scale structures, such as superclusters, point to a universe that evolved from an initial, more homogeneous state.
Evolution of matter:
The formation of heavier elements in stars and the subsequent distribution of these elements throughout the universe suggests an ongoing process of evolution, not a static, eternal state.}

that definition does not apply to whatever is outside of space and time.

You are straw Manning. I never said intelligence must come from intelligence but rather only intelligence can create intelligence same with life, only life can create life.

Evidence for creation is the fact that the universe has a beginning

If science has not proven that eternal things exist does that mean they don't exist?
Is science the only way to get knowledge? If yes, can you scientifically prove your answer?

Did you Even read what you wrote, you just proved me right. All the possibilities you brought out are all example of eternal universe, which by the way has being debunked, if you are really serious to know the truth you will actually go and find out why they were rejected.

Good at least you are honest. Now answer this, Is mathematics material in nature? Does mathematics exist?
What color is evil, goodness, love? What kind of material is consciousness made off?
Where does the human value come from?

Steep:
All evidence shows that the universe cannot be eternal.
God by basic definition is eternal else he would not be God. The basic definition of what God is, is that he is timeless, spaceless and immaterial personal being.

God belongs to the category of what is eternal while the universe belong to the category of what is not eternal. I used the sun and the moon to demonstrate how categories work. The sun belong to the category of things that generate their light while the moon belong to another category of things that depend on others for light. It is therefore illogical to try to force the sun into the moon's category or vice versa. That is what you are trying to do trying to force God into categories of created things.

The definition of God that makes him eternal is because he is before all created things and therefore cannot be part of created things.
I say creation depend on God because creation itself is an effect and every effect has a cause.

Do you have any evidence that the unverse may be eternal? Science is base on evidence and not wisful thinking, if there is another evidence that the unverse is eternal then the current understanding will change but so far all evidence prove the unverse has a beginning.

dude there only two possibities either the unverse has always existed in any shape of form (multiverse, parallel universe etc included) or something outside of the unverse brought it into being. This has nothing to do with our understanding of how the universe works.

The fact that you don't understand it, does not make it untrue. What matters is the evidence to what we feel is true or possible and the evidence is, the unverse (space-time) has a beginning (it has not always being.

You are probably a materialist that is why you think the only reality that existent is the physical reality however evidence says the physical reality has a beginning.

Steep:
It cannot apply to God because he is eternal while the universe is not.

God and the universe do not belong to same category. Take for example the Sun and the Moon, the moon depend on the Sun for her light but the Sun does not depend on anything for its light, they both depend of different category.

God by definition is untreated eternal but the creation depends on God to have its being.

Whether we wants to agree with this we all know that something must be eternal either the universe or something or someone outside of the universe.

budaatum:
I assume eternal means always been. Do atheists claim the universe is eternal?
In fact, I'll ask them myself.
Atheists! Is the universe eternal?

Steep:
Intelligence cannot come from non Intelligence, life cannot come from non life. This is the delima of naturalists.
The order and design of the universe plus the existence of life shows there is a living immaterial, spaceless and timeless personal being called God.

guobe:
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guobe:
You tried. Also send me a mail too

Quaresma12:
It's two over four
The last one is not yet successful nah
We tried though

Quaresma12:
I had two over four.

Saltandmaggi:
Waking up today without hope or anything positive for the day . No money equals no food . Things are hard for a little young man .
Anything to help me with anybody I'll appreciate and God continue to bless everyone . I'm really hungry . Little things can go a long way .
Thanks
Pls help me bankowner
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Everyday247

LIVINGICONREBOR:
You need go wash your head for one nearby river. U don ever boom any ticket before since u start to dey bet?🥱

Samueltemi337:
Who let the dogs out

Samueltemi337:
You one do pass yourself

Everyday247:
I give zero guarantees

guobe:
The soccer draw market is about the most lucrative market pertaining prediction of Matches.
Being able to predict 8 draws accurately with 500 naira can give you 10 million naira.
It's quite enticing but very difficult.
Some couple of months ago ,I was able to predict all 7 draws accurately which gave me a huge sum of money.
Predict 4 draws and the first person to accurately predict all 4 draws for today will be rewarded with the sum of 5,000 naira only.
Here we go.

thelivingpunter:
How can I deactivate this moniker? Its purpose on this forum has been outlived and defeated. It seems this forum is now aversed to punters posting booking codes.

Samantha125:
This is nothing new, I've heard stories of men getting publicly beaten by their fellow men for being abusive to their wives and they still went ahead and continued with their marriages afterwards.

Our neighbours' son back home who's also married was once beaten by his male neighbours for being abusive towards his wife, after they were done beating him up, they called the police on him... His stayed under police custody for a while before he was released, I don't know if his wife changed her mind and dropped the charges or what happened... His employers also dismissed him from his job upon hearing the news, but guess what? They're still together and allegedly his wife even helped him get another job, last time I saw them they were all smiles and looked happy together, even though we don't know how's life behind closed doors.