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BlueAngel444:
my brother you are very right o. Hmm, man city is better there are clubs paying millions to players, spending millions to buy them for almost 7 seasons now and they struggle to make top four. Can you imagine my brother. This life, e no get balance at all. eh, after spending so much. It's just terrible, a crime, so sad

Before Roman bought Chelsea,.. you know where your club was right??
Just 1 EPL, 0 UCL.

Without Roman, you guys would probably be fighting relegation like Norwich and Astonvilla.

After spoiling you guys with cash, you can see the difference.....so don't bad mouth a manager spending and winning.

4 years ago

Chelsea - 6 EPL title

Man City - 4 EPL title

Now

Chelsea - 6 EPL title

Man City - 6 EPL title

Guess who will make it to 7 EPL title first

No wonder Chelsea fans dey vex for Pep

raumdeuter:
That link i posted above the comments from chic2pimp in 2010


" guess this is what happens when your team has not won a meaningful Trophy in quite a while now.
Or when did teams start basing their sucess on Net spend and what not"

duduspace:

Arsenal spending outlay in PL before and after move to the Emirates (also from Sky sports News)

Before After
Total cost of players in: 199m 71m
Total from players out: 132m 105m
Net spend: 67m -34m
net spend/ season 5m -9m




Atleast If you can't win titles, you go count money

Ibime:
Wenger decline wasn't due to money but due to change in philosophy from solid counterattacking play of Gilberto Silva and Vieira them to tikitaka of Febregas, Denilson and co which made them easy to beat.

Wenger was still making money for Arsenal while winning Championships by selling Overmars, Petit, Anelka et al.

If he had sign all his targets Ibrahimovic, CR7, Hazard etc....
Would Arsenal be in this situation??

Wenger was trying to play smart pricing players like Bread.

raumdeuter:
About a decade ago, Chelsea used to spend money and win titles and their fans loved it bragged about it

While Arsenal fans used to brag about income and expenditure while finishing 4th

Fast forward today City are spending and winning

Chelsea are spending, going to irrelevance and bragging about income and expenditure while their team is finishing below top 3, three years in a row

See how times have changed


Chelsea fans have completed their metamorphosis to Arsenal but without the beautiful Wenger football

Was it that ibime and Chelsea fans were secretly envious of Arsenal those days?

Even they have replaced Arsenal as Bayern bittchess

In the year 2030, you would hear something like signing Arinze Kepa for 70M was cheap.... 70M was normal then

raumdeuter:
Sounds like what posters like duduspace on Arsenal thread used to post around 10yrs ago

Net spend, income and expenditure while finishing a combined 71points behind

Chelsea don turn Net spend FC

raumdeuter:
10 players in 2 seasons costing about 400m finishing 5th 4th 4th combined 71points behind Guardiola and the fans are praying they change all these players yet they are shameless to call one team who bought and won frauds

I'm sure Arsene Wenger will be regretting not spending enough.....
He was claiming transfer guru, it ended in tears

raumdeuter:
Chelsea spent 260m in 1 season on Bakayoko Drinkwater Barkley Rudiger Palmieri Zappacosta

Following season they added Jorginho 50m and Kepa 70m

Which of them qualify as a good signing that Chelsea fans will want to see in their starting 11 for the forseeable future

Almost 400m spent on flops to finish 5th 4th 4th and these same set of fans complain about someone who spent and has finished a combined 71points above their team in the same time

Over 400m on signing in 2 seasons and they don't want any of them in their club long term yet still shameless to call someone point and kill

400M on flops....imagine

They are here calling Pep fraud

Add all the goals conceded by Man City in EPL since Guardiola took charge and compare with others.

Ibime:
Can you show me where Pep had the record for lowest goals conceded? Just yarning opaks cluelessly.

Did you show me how Sherringham was a fee transfer??

raumdeuter:
How many games did Drinkwater play for Chelsea as a 40m signing
How many games did Zappacosta play for Chelsea as a 25m signing
How many games did Batsuayi play for Chelsea as a 30m signing

The same was Pep benched 60m Mahrez is the same Chelsea benched a 65m Pulisic

Benching Hudson Odoi on 120k a week....

Benching Kepa with record fee on his head for Caballero

Benching 50M Morata ....

Now that flops are bn sold for 50M + (Kepa and co).....and you are complaining when Pep sign a good player for 65M....

Taguchi:
True
Pep dislike don make FANS turn Karl Marx and jp Morgan when they know say no kobo go gum dem .in reality we all know that what any fan truly cares about is an entertaining playstyle backed by trophies.. and the only time any fan is concerned about his clubs financial outlay is either when it is unproductive or when the club runs the risk of bankruptcy...
Am sure any Chelsea fans here will have preferred pep to spend the money Conte spent for them.

4 years in EPL

- highest win

- lowest goals conceded

- highest goals scored

- highest no of trophies

- best playing style

- highest no of points

After all this records, they are still complaining??

God airpus

Ibime:
Yarning more opaks. Which of these players were signed by Fergie? Bringing everybody else signing to equate a shrewd Fergie to a wasteful Pep will not work.




Unlike you, we know what Fergie signed these players for and what equivalent players in Serie A were going for.

Unlike you, we have witnessed and evidenced how Fergie chilled out and didn't try to keep up with Chelsea spending when Roman came and was blowing millions. Instead he sat back, restrategised, spent light money on the likes of VDS, Evra, Vidic and Ronaldo and took Manure back to the top. Your Fraudiola would have been throwing tantrums and threatening to quit if he was at Manure then and Chelsea was outspending him lavishly.

Your attempt to equate the shrewd Fergie to the wasteful Fraudiola will not work.

-Ferguson paid the players transfer fee....the same way Pep is paying.

-Paying 3.5M for a 31 years old player that will play as 3rd choice in 1997 is high.

-Ferguson and Pep are point and kill expert.....whatever they want, the club will do.

- Ferguson will dispose you immediately if you play rubbish just like Pep

- Ferguson always want to sign the best available players just like Pep.

If you don't get my summary,....I give up.

RTSC:
You should not expect rational spending from people that send private jets to bring white hoes to the Middle East.

The money is surplus.

Great point....

If they are not complaining and they are willing to spend more...... I see no reason why Nairalanders should complain.

They should focus on their club that spend millions in changing managers, kill youngsters careers with loan,......

Ibime:
What year was Roy Keane transferred? The more you type on stuff you know nothing about the more clueless you look.

I just told you average 29 year olds left backs and midfielders were going for £5m in 1997 and you are talking cluelessly about Roy Keane transfer fee from 4 years prior.

EPL tansfer record in 1996 was £15m for Shearer, just 3 years after Roy Keane so you can see how transfer fees have progressed from 1993 to 1997 and how clueless you look. Numerous people like Cole, Bergkamp and Collymore have more than doubled Roy Keane's transfer fee in the next 3 years and 30 year olds like Zola are going for £4.5m already by 1996, and you are still referencing a redundant Roy Keane fee from 4 years prior.

You are more clueless with your lies and Amala turning.....imagine comparing transfer of 1990s when stuffs where normal to transfer of 2020 when a flop will go for 30M

Stop lying to make yourself look smart....From Sherringham bn a free transfer to 3.5M a regular fee in the 90s.

Below average Kepa is going for more than 70M....
Average Maguire is going for 80M,.....
Average Stones was sold for 50M....
I can name more than 50 overpriced players...

So Ferguson won't sign Rooney if the price was 50M then?
Ferguson wont sign Cantona if the price was 60M then?
Ferguson wont sign Ferdinand if the price was 50M then?

Ferguson paid the players transfer fees the same way Pep is paying.

RTSC:
Spending the GDP of a small country just for playing style is a massive waste of money.

I guess Man City owners are foolish then.

They need to employ someone like you, since you have business brain than those that owns a club like Man City.

Ibime:
You lack historical context on the £3.5m. For example, a common Middlesbrough bought a 29 year old drug addict Paul Merson for £4.5m in the same 1997 who has never been Sheringhams mate in the England team. Even going back a few years, Everton bought an unknown Nigerian called Amokachi from Belgian league for £3.5m 3 years earlier in 1994.

I called it regular transfer fee but it's super regular.

3.5M was regular in 1997.....and Roy Keane
transfer to Man utd broke British transfer fee some years back with 3.75M

I don hear ooo

Taguchi:
Make una free pep abeg .I sure say you go like make him coach Chelsea

One thing is certain, if person Sabi book and dey do well for school him papa go gladly sponsor his education if the money dey based on proven ability. unlike when person be olodo...there is a reason the niggga has never been sacked in more than a decade..he got the keys
Now unto the matter on ground.....

Abeg leave them...

Even if Pep no win trophy, your playing style will improve drastically..

Imagine the amount of money Van gaal spent at Man utd, at the end we were playing boring football.

Expert17:
The same way Pep didn't sign Mahrez when Liecester asked for 80-90M....
The same way he didn't sign Maguire and Fred...

I can name 10-15 players Ferguson signed within 1993- 2003 for about 1M - 15M and he ditched them after less than 10 games for a fee below what he paid for them just because they didn't perform enough in those few games.

Ibime:
Yet Pep can sign Mahrez for £60m and Cancelo for £67m just to bench them.

The same way Ferguson signed players and didn't use them

Ibime:
I mixed up with his return to Spurs, but even so, £3.5m was nowhere near big money in 1997.

Don't haughtily ask me if I know cos I'm from that period. For comparison, Chelsea spent £5m on a 29 year old left-back Graeme Le Saux in 1997 and £2.5m on an unknown teenage Nigerian leftback called Babayaro in the same 1997.

So zip your mouth on telling me what you know nothing about. £3.5m was a regular fee in 1997.

40M is a regular fee in 2020.

Flops in this era cost more than this....

e.g. Kepa, Jorginho, Bakayoko, Drinkwater etc

afrodoc:
It was not that big. There were multiple transfers in the EPL for more than that including defenders and midfielders. It barely made it into top 10 EPL transfers that season.

If 3.5 M is small for 31 years old player in 1997,.....41M is also small for 23 years old player in 2020

Ibime:
Of course you can buy two goalkeepers in one window when you only spent £2m on VDS and £3.5m on Foster

Of course you can sign Vidic and Evra when you spend only £7m on each.

Please don't haughtily and cluelessly tell us these were big money then cos they were not.

Fergie would not be foolish enough to give DeGea £350k per week that will make him difficult to ditch. He warned them on the Rooney contract also before he left but Maga Woodward wouldn't listen.

The same way Pep didn't sign Mahrez when Liecester asked for 80-90M....
The same way he didn't sign Maguire and Fred...

I can name 10-15 players Ferguson signed within 1993- 2003 for about 1M - 15M and he ditched them after less than 10 games for a fee below what he paid for them just because they didn't perform enough in those few games.

eph12:
Even the goals that were not his fault, you heaped on him. You said Ramos was not good and was at fault for goals conceded by Spain. When he was time to insult De gea, he automatically became the one responsible, not Ramos again. You suppose change this your moniker to something else

So 2 or more players can't be at fault for the same goal?

Ramos and Degea didn't play rubbish in 2018 world cup?

Change the moniker for me, if e dey pain you

Leyqute:
E get reason why I no Dey quote ‘expert’ again even on the United thread.

No lump me in together with his opinions abeg.

As you dey quote me, money dey enter my account....see me see wahala

eph12:
Shey make I claim watin I no know ni? That was how he was hell bent on heaping all the blame on De gea on this same thread some months back even when it wasn't making sense. Him am dayo fit themselves

So Degea was doing well ?? He is not at fault for those easy goals? ..

Ferguson would have ditched him the same way he did to Carroll, Howard, Taibi....etc

The same Ferguson signed 2 goalkeepers in the same transfer window,... Foster and Van dersar.

When our defence was doing rubbish, he signed Vidic and Evra together in the same January transfer window.

swiz123:
To my fellow Chelsea fan, let's just stop the hate on pep. I for one would like our club to spend the way pep is doing. I can't start hating on Pep because his spending makes him better than us; we can also match his spending if we think that's his trick.

It is also needless to mention that the boards invests in a manager whom they trust. Do you expect a club will invest 700m€ in a manager like David moyes or Emery? No. A club only backs a manager who has proven to be effective when backed.

Just like we rightly pointed out, spending is a two way thing: income and expenditure. But our analogy took a wrong turn when we thought income can only be made by selling players off. A club makes money from other activities aside selling players, eg: shirt sales, sponsorship bonuses, cup win bonuses, ticket sales etc.....
In the same vein, a club needs make some profit at the end of the year. The point is, whatever Pep is spending, Man city makes income which is greater than their expenditure. Unless you guys thinks that Man city runs a loss on account of Pep's success on the pitch. A club can't be that foolish; it is a business enterprise, not a charity organization.

lastly, let's not pretend that we wouldn't like a manager like Pep to head Chelsea because as fans that we all are, our only concern is too win trophies and play eye-catching football to go along with it.

God bless you.

The Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Man City will still want Pep as their Manager any day any time......

To most people here, clubs make profit only by selling players..... So I would love to know why Man UTD, Barcelona and Real Madrid are leading in the money league..

Once again, thank you for this write up.

Ibime:
How was Sherigham a 35 year old free transfer a point and kill?

No dey lie for us here abeg

..Sherringham was signed at the age of 31/32 with 3.5M in the year 1997....( you know how big 3.5M is in 1997)......

A 31 years old player without a single trophy.

BlueAngel444:
wait o, how can someone call you a disgrace and you're smiling and laughing

My sister, na so life dey

Herbiedeen:
lol, na so
Time dey, till e go enter 70
Time go still dey, till e go retire

Let him sha go and spend Psg's money too

Sorry, he's 49 years old.

So Pep won't win UCL again??

Herbiedeen:
Dude, Price has nothing to do with point and kill

You get it irrespective of the price

So, who's the olodo here

Thank you

But he's saying just price ...

Man City stakeholders are not complaining....

He is winning trophies and their brand is getting bigger and better.

So face your front