European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:42pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Bombblacks: Expert17 please explain this data and how it helps your argument. Why is De Gea at the bottom? Why is Neuer, Ederson, Stegen and Handernovic at the top? Pep the master of ball possession picked Ederson, nothing else matters right now. Expert17: I don't know how to read the data? Lol
I watched Ederson @ Benfica, I'm not even using his EPL heroics to judge him. I told you, he was converted from a midfielder to a goalie and even the father of possession (pep) called him the best ever.... I should believe you not the pep that coached both Neuer and Ederson.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:32pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Android22: The highlights are online. lol. So many bro, imagine making so many errors in Bundesliga, just imagine what would happened if he joins an EPL club. Bravo and Valdes that were proper ball playing GKs at Barcelona flopped and made so many errors when they tried to play from the back in EPL. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:28pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Bombblacks: Do you even understand how to read this data you just posted and how does it help your argument with only one season sample size? Ederson cannot even touch Ter stegen talkless of Neuer when it comes to passing and distribution. Let's leave it at that. I don't know how to read the data? Lol I watched Ederson @ Benfica, I'm not even using his EPL heroics to judge him. I told you, he was converted from a midfielder to a goalie and even the father of possession (pep) called him the best ever.... I should believe you not pep that coached both Neuer and Ederson.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:21pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Bombblacks: So you mean Manchester city had more intelligent players than the Barca he coached before going to Bayern? This explanation doesn't have foundation to stand on. Do you know his definition of intelligence? It might be ability to understands his tactics once or anything else.... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:16pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Bombblacks: What opinion on Messi and Busquet are you referring to and how Is that relevant here? Ball playing under pressure, Sweeping and ability to pick passes from the 18yard box to anywhere Neuer is better than Ederson. Sweeping = Neuer, thanks to Bayern high line and farmers league. Passes/distribution = Ederson. I can mention up to 10 errors Neuer has committed while trying to play from the back in the farmers league.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:10pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:00pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Bombblacks: An argument with what if has no substance. The point here is pep has always been known to praise his current players which means nothing in the long run and shouldn't be taken as fact. Pep saying good things about Ederson is normal. He said Neuer was the best goalkeeper he has ever coached as well and Lewandowski was the most professional player he has coached in his career while at Bayern or how he said he would love 1000 Dantes in his team only to discard him later on. His opinion on Messi and Busquets hasn't changed. Do you know what it means for a GK to beat Man City midfielders in passing drills? Neuer makes a lot of mistakes with his feet and his passing range is not up to Ederson's level despite playing in farmers league. I guess you are confusing sweeping with ball playing/distribution. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:40pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Bombblacks: 2013: He said most intelligent I have coached
2017: He said one of the most intelligent I have coached.
2 Different statement. What if he has seen another intelligent player like lahm? so the statement is right. Remember Pep didn't retire in 2013. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:36pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Kilishihunter: Allison is of course the best sweeper GK in the EPL, Only thing Ederson beats him in is better distribution, Allison might also not be so far off with his passing range Because of Man City's possession game, you don't expect Ederson to sweep that much. Liverpool's dangerous high line will always push a proactive GK out. And he has made so many mistakes that led to goals. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:20pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Illimitable: What has this gotta do with sweeping?  You want Ederson to sweep his players? He's even in top 4 despite their 70%+ possession. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:17pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Illimitable: The people saying Ederson is 9.9/10 in sweeping are just being economical with the truth. He’s good but he’s not that good.
The data is out.  Before you use these stats, which club has the best possession % in EPL? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:15pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Android22: I know you well. Ter Stegen is like 5 tiers below Ederson with his legs. Ter is VERY error prone with his legs and there are many blooper reels to this effect. I am surprised you are saying this. I said Ederson is the world record holder. You can Google it. World record. I don't watch Bundesliga that much, but I have seen Neuer made more than 10 errors with his legs. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:12pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Bombblacks: Ofcourse pep will pick his current goalkeeper to boost morale. Same way he praised Bravo as the best goalkeeper in the world and how he said Foden is the most talented player he has seen. Neuer tops Ederson in all aspects. Nah, he started his career as a midfielder and even beat his Man City teammates in passing drills. For sweeping Neuer is better but that passing/distribution and confidence on the ball; Ederson is very very clear. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:02pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Illimitable: It wasn’t a red zone, Eriksen wasn’t strong enough.
OPTA had it as Eriksen’s error.
DDG completed a pass. Check the image below, De Gea ignored an unmarked Maguire and passed to Erikssen who wasn't just marked but also in front of the post.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:57pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Bombblacks: What am I reading? Neuer is the one who revolutionalized goalkeeping with his ball playing and sweeping ability. Perfect combination of shot stopping with ball playing and sweeping ability. Ederson has nothing on him. Their coach (pep) pick Ederson as the best. Sweeping - Neuer Ball playing - Ederson. Fun fact- Ederson can pass the ball better than McFred. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:49pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Illimitable: I have told you many times, that wasn’t a De Gea mistake. It was Eriksen’s mistake. De Gea passed to Eriksen, Eriksen got the ball and his pass to another defender was intercepted. Nah, it was De Gea's error he passed to a red zone and an already marked player |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:41pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Illimitable: We can both agree on the top 15. 
You said his mistakes with his legs are zero but there are plenty of mistakes with his legs on YouTube.
It’s just that those mistakes weren’t punished but they were mistakes regardless. If they are not errors leading to goals then it's useless You remembered what happened when DDG tried to play from the back against Brentford  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:30pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Illimitable: That’s Pep’s opinion and what works for his style of play.
Ederson won’t be in my top 10 of the best goalkeepers in Europe. We are discussing his legs instead of his hands. Why is he even in a conversation of the best goalies?
Dean Henderson is a better shot stopper than Ederson. The topic was "the best ball playing GK/legs" not "the best GK/hands". Ederson is the GOAT in this category, ahead of Neuer and Ter Stegen. And for the general goalkeeping, Ederson will make Europe's top 15. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:18pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Android22: I was going to mention that but I did not want people to say "what did you expect him to say?" Pep is not double-tongued, he will always pick Messi as his best talent/player, and Busquets as the best DM.... nothing will change this fact |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:12pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
FirstbornWds: I know Ederson has a world record. But the distribution of Neuer and that too, in a time when forwards were brutal and bullies, is one heck of thing to be jealous about. Pep worked with Neuer @Bayern and Valdes @Barcelona. When he was asked to pick the best, he mentioned Ederson. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:03pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Android22: Neuer is the better keeper no arguments but when it comes to using their legs to kick the ball Neuer, Neuer is not at Ederson's level. Yeah, and is the only player in Man City that can't be benched He's more important than KDB. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:00pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Illimitable: McTominay’s goal wasn’t an error?  Not with his legs. 5 years in EPL, and we are struggling to get 3 errors from his ball-playing technique.  : |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 7:54pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Illimitable: He has 6 errors leading to a goal and he’s conceded 3 penalties in his PL career. Pep’s style of play protects Ederson. They hug possession 70-80% of the time. It’s difficult to expose Ederson to mistakes. Errors from playing out from the back? I watched him at Benfica, he's a fantastic goalie nothing like Pep's style protect him. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 7:52pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Android22: Ederson is a midfielder disguised as a keeper. Yeah, he was converted to a GK. Android22: Only Neuer will replace Ederson. Neuer is better in sweeping and goalkeeping generally, but you see that playing from the back, Ederson is still clear. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 7:46pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
neztar: Ederson is error prone. He cannot be trusted Ederson and error-prone in the same sentence  Despite his risky style, if we count his mistakes @ City, it won't be up to 5. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 6:20pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
FirstbornWds: Ter Stegen says hi Ter gini? Ederson is clear. He's the calmest under pressure, his passes are better than some midfielders and also an excellent sweeper. Converting from a midfielder to GK helped him. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 6:11pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Karleb: Make una stop the debate, Allison would start ahead of Ederson anyday.
If Allison signs for City today, Ederson is chopping bench straight up. No GK will bench Ederson under Pep. Ederson is the GOAT of ball-playing GK. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 4:14pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
neztar: mtcheww so you take arsenal serious. Early season gragra. They will soon return to where they belong. Enyimba will beat bournemouth, fulham, leicester, palace in their current form There's something different about this Arsenal. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 12:47pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
hatakekakashi: For those that said Malacia and Wan-bissaka have nothing in common, hope you're seeing some similarities, like the way he defends. Yeah, they are similar. Very good in defending especially 1 v 1 but below average in attack. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 12:45pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:22pm On Sep 01, 2022 |
James Garner to Everton. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:00pm On Sep 01, 2022 |
I don't want to see Erikssen anywhere near CM against Arsenal. |