tctrills:


Now you agree with me that this is all politics but still, you believe I am writing nonsense. I love the way you think. You asked me about the UN resolution, not the ICJ so I wonder what your ICJ question is. Please learn to stick to facts.
The ICJ is a completely different case. Israel has not been found guilty by the ICJ.

Now I brought up GDP to teach you that the suffering of the Palestanians is more imagined than real. People like you have turned them into perpetual victims even when they were having it better than many. Before Oct 7th, life in Gaza was much better than in Burundi or Niger, Yet people like you keep giving false narratives.

If there was a genocide, how come life expectancy in Gaza is 75.7 years? many times more than the African average. Israel must be really bad at this genocide thing or don't you think so? The people of Gaza are living longer than most people on Earth yet they are an endangered Species.

Haba, this cant make sense to even you

1. July 9, 2004-International Court of Justice finds Israeli barrier in Palestinian territory is illegal. Although this might not be a binding ruling, it was a great victory for those with a sense of humanity in them.

2. Your bringing up GDP comparisons of a people who are 80% dependent on foreign aid with one of the highest unemployment rates in the world, under occupation and under sub-human conditions is out of context, childish and entirely unintelligent.

3. If life expectancy with the blockade is 75+yrs, it means it would be 100yrs+ without blockade. Life expectancy is hig due to the fact that Palestinians have mostly a veggie diet, no illicit drugs and alcohol due to the conditions they live under.

4. You are no different from the minority who attempt to negate, deny and distort the established facts of the Nazi genocide of European Jews. Same thing you are doing now. History books in the near future will tell the stories of this group which you happen to fall under.

5. You cannot make sense to me because you actually make zero sense.

tctrills:


It's easy to claim that I spew nonsense yet you can't prove anything I have said to be wrong.

At least this time you attempted to challenge one of my points so let me respond to the only point you made.

Is it not amazing that with 45% unemployment, yet Gaza has lower poverty than nations like. Nigeria, Burundi and Niger.
Here are the UNDP figures for Gaza.

https://www.undp.org/press-releases/poverty-state-palestine-set-soar-more-third-if-war-continues-second-month
Is it not crazy, these people don't work yet you are poorer than them .

Also please go to the link below so you can understand that UN resolutions are all about voting and politics. With 57 countries as members of the international Islamic community (the OIC) and only one Jewish state, one would be a fool to expect a different result from these resolutions.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144717
Stop believing lies.
Meanwhile I am still waiting for you to explain how every UN resolution isn't political. Anyone who can prove that deserves a gold medal.

Who is arguing the role of politics in any decision made in the UN. Even decisions made under ChapterVII have a political undertone and are they not enforced. Yes or No? Which conflict in the world is not driven by politics. You see why I say you write a lot of nonsense. Note: I asked you about ICJ rulings not UN resolutions as you clearly seem not to know the difference.

You embarrass yourself with the GDP comparison What point are you trying to make?

By the way ,did you even bother to read the link you added. Maybe you did but cannot comprehend it.Chai

tctrills:


You write so much but you are making no points.

To sum up all you are saying, because more nations voted to find Israel guilty then Israel must be guilty of genocide.

Please let me teach you the meaning of the 'political'
When you depend entirely on a vote to find a country guilty, that's the meaning of politics.

Then again you are trying to be sentimental talking about me not having humanity but the truth is that people like you are your UN are the only reason why this crisis never ends.

You made the Palestinians eternal victims.
Before October 7th, Gaza had a GDP per Capita better than many African nations but people like you keep giving them excuses go be terrorists and to be stupid.

And stop blaming the US for all your problems. The US has done more for the Palestine people than all their Arab brothers put together.

You write so little but spew much nonsense. So ICJ rulings are political? Seems you just encountered the word recently and apply it out of context at will. You guys never fail to amaze everyone.

Quite amazing is the attempt to cloak the sufferings in Gaza by GDP comparisons with African nations. LIKE WTF. Still writing little and spewing so much nonsense. According to the UN before the present crisis, 80% of Gaza inhabitants relied on international aid. UNCTAD reported that in 2023 unemployment rate in GAZA was 45% and one of highest in world.

You claim many at the UN are the reason why the crisis never ends. Wow! Seems the prophet of the word 'political' has no inkling of international politics.

tctrills:

You spent so much time writing and insulting but forgot to explain you position. All you Hamas supporters are the same. The moment you meet someone who is ready to counter your claims you begin to call names.

One more thing, the ruling against Israel carries zero weight. There has been little to no consequences. The resolutions are just child's play. And the world is not a better place because of the UN or it's resolutions.
We both agree that the UN members voted to find Israel guilty of many things. But unlike you, I don't believe that justice should be entirely political. But you seem angry and unable to sell your argument. No one is contesting the fact that the UN found Israel guilty.

Let me leave you here so it doesn't become an insult contest.

No one has insulted you.It does not work with me.Stop trying to look for an avenue to throw victim sentiments on an argument.

You are even the one dancing around naked with a broken trumpet screaming " terrorist supporters" on anyone who speaks against the indiscriminate killing of women and children in hospitals.

No one is supporting Hamas but all united( except the US and its brainwashed supporters) against genocide, dehumanision of a people, land theft and ethnic cleansing and we have have to tell ourselves the truth about the remote and immediate causes of their actions. if you still have a little bit of humanity in you, you will realise what the UN has been trying to achieve peace but for US veto.

Did you just suggest that ICJ rulings are political? I guess there is no point engaging you then.

tctrills:


Let me explain.
A UN resolution only means more nations voted one way or the other. Hence it's boils down to politics.
Again the idea that UN resolutions is what's stopping invasions is false.
The UN resolutions did not stop the Iraq vs Iran war, the gulf wars, Russia vs Ukraine, Second Congo War (the African world war) so why exactly are you excited about UN resolutions?
Below is a link so you can better understand what a UN resolution is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_resolution

You seem incapable of comprehending a simple comment on moral suation as a guiding principle to deter nations to an extent from territorial adventurism. If these resolutions are meaningless like you say, why have they continually been passed? Non enforcement resolutions may not be legally binding in the eyes of the myopic but the voting patterns and numbers shows how the world views the actions of the terrorist state, Israel. The country with the most UN resolutions against it.

You may educate yourself more on the rulings of the ICJ on the Israeli wall and occupation. Maybe then you may grow to understand that the fact that some resolutions are not enforceable does not mean they do not carry weight.

Keep your wiki link for your personal study. Even a school kid knows the difference between chapter vi and vii of the UN charter and how the US abuses vetoes to prevent enforcement.

tctrills:

You are just doing what you said you wouldn't do. Secondly, the UN resolution does not mean much. Just because Pakistan and any other nation voted against Israel does not mean they are right.
So if you really want to look at facts, I would be interested but presenting UN resolution as your facts is just being political.
Facts are facts and votes for or against don't change that.
More nations voted against Israel is not prove of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and crimes against humanity.

Hba bros. UN resolutions mean nothing abi? then let it be disbanded and let us return to the middle ages so Nigeria can annex Ghana and Cameroon .(Not a bad idea) Google is your friend. You can check the long list of UN resolutions yourself. If you cannot, I can send you links.Peace!

tctrills:

Stop playing to the emotions. We both know what would happen if there is free flow of movement between Israel and Gaza. And it's hypocritical to accuse Israel of creating an open air prison in Gaza since Gaza has a common border with Egypt.
No one is accusing Egypt.
Why don't you ask the Egyptians why they also have a blockage against Gaza. No one wants to be overran by terrorists.
Finally, it's funny that you call the South African blacks your brothers because they don't think the same of you and they are prepared to kick other blacks out of their country.

I am not here for a dance around the music of emotion triggered delusions created by Western propaganda machines or the lies of all your 3 Abrahamic religions.

Facts! Facts and more facts I bring. I am not going to elevate Hamas into sainthood but Israel is a state that is involved in barbaric ethnic cleansing, genocide and crimes against humanity. They have also consistently contraved UN resolutions for decades.

By the way, hope you can manage to read the reasons I stated earlier for the Egyptian closure of the Raffah crossing.

AntiTerrorist:
Do you know what happened on October 7? And do you think it's justifiable to rape your wife, microwave your daughter and kidnap your mother? Would you praise Hamas terrorists if you were one of the victims of Oct 7 massacre?

Lol what is this one even saying.

hotwax:


Palestine don't want any country. Hamas have stated and acted in so many ways to suggest they are just another armed wing if Iran. They have no responsibility for Palestinians.

They are created to kill Jews all over the world. Their scope is beyond Israel...it's in the chatter that they would look for all Jews all over the world and kill them.

These are the people leading Palestinians. These are like lions who can't stay among men, they need to be caged. And Palestinians support them, that's why they are both in your open air prison.

Hamas doesn't want any country..they are Iranian fighters not Palestinians protector

Wow! did I just read the bolded in this 21st century or I teleported to medieval times

I am pretty sure your security clearance is at top level that you had access to classified information about a plot on the genocide of jews, when even MOSSAD failed to see OCT 7

Please comment with facts and not one sided emotions. Yitzhak Rabin who laid the groundwork for peace and a 2 state solution was assasinated by Jewish nationalists. His widow has even accused Netanyahu of complicity in it. Netayanhu has repeatedly rejected a 2 state solution. Anyway his political career is almost at an end.

Again argue with facts. What the heck am I even doing here?

Floky215:


What open air prison when the Raffah crossing with Egypt is their for them to do whatever they want....!!! Oh they don't want that, they want Israel to open up her border so they can come in and display their animalistic behaviour...!! They want free access to the sea so they can import as many Islamic terrorist and weapons as possible to come help them drive Israel away...!!

Even on sea they have a small navy and they do fishing activities, I don't see any open air prison anywhere...just a narrative they coined to deceive the fible minds.. .!!

For peace to reign, isreal left gaza and allow for a self governance, what did they get in return, rockets and Oct 7th, if the gaza people are not animals I don't know which either way to describe them...!!!

Under the Apartheid convention or the Rome ICC Statute which Palestine acceded to, Inhumane conditions are "forcible transfer, expropriation of landed property, creation of separate reserves and ghettos, and denial of the right to leave and to return to one's country or the right to a nationality.”

Under international law if an occupying force imposes security restrictions on citizens, it is also duty bound on the long term to do so in a manner that does not abuse the fundamental human rights of such people. This, my friend is what Israel has abused for decades on the long term.

Egypt is not an occupying force and can restrict flow of human traffic through its borders without breaking international law.

There are several debatable reasons why Egypt has to keep this restriction in place and if you are conversant with international politics you will understand them. I give you one quote from Egyptian President Sisi. "The Palestinian struggle is the cause of all Arabs, It is important that the Palestinian people remain steadfast and present on their land.”

You say 'fibble minds'? I guess you are more versed on International law and human rights than the hundreds of experts at Human rights watch and other Human rights organisations that have declared Palestine an open air prison. Well done.

misreal:

Stop running away sir.
Come and tell us another reason why they were put in an open prison if you have any.
They kept terrorizing israel till israel had to build a wall.

Lol.Run away? I thought I was engaging someone that can hold an intelligent argument, but your last comment before this above hmmmm, gave a bit of insight on your intellect.

I only engage those that have at least a bit of intellectual capacity to argue with sense and not emotions or brainwashed brain infusions.

There are others on Nairaland I would rather argue with. You can tell by the facts they bring to the table and the way they write, even when they disagree with you. Abeg find your level to argue with oga.

Eazeee:


They wouldn't have been in the so called "open air prison " as u are claiming if not for their constant terrorist activities against the state of Israel. The same reason why it will be levelled to the ground now so that they will think twice & the consequences before embarking on any terrorist act in the future

Your comment is very familiar.
The fact that you used the same justification used by the apartheid white minority government of South Africa to place your fellow African brothers, under sub human conditions, rape and murder your sisters for decades, put them in jail as hostages without charge and brand them terrorists speaks volume.

Shalom.

Eazeee:
Nothing will happen sir. Besides, they can't be guilty when we all know that we will not be having this discussion if not for October 7

October 7 would not have happened if Palestinians where not put in an open air prison in total inhumane conditions. They were treated like animals for decades and reacted like animals.

FreeStuffsNG:


Adebayo Ogunlesi was born on December 20, 1953, in Nigeria. He grew up in a well-educated family with his father being a professor of medicine, and his mother being a civil servant. Ogunlesi attended King’s College in Lagos, Nigeria, for his secondary education. In 1973, Ogunlesi moved to the United States to attend the prestigious Oxford University in England, where he earned his undergraduate degree in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics (PPE) in 1976.

Which igbo you smoke today? Prestigious Oxford University in England in the US?

CoronaVirusPro:
Atiku should invest all his energy and funds into cat-fish farming, and stop chasing shadows!

The business is very lucrative!

He will do very well as an Uber driver in Dubai

Obey the last command. Rapists everywhere. University lecturers, Politicians, Pastors, Military personnel etc

Basicend:


When people start attacking your belief. . You will start tagging and threatning NL mods and Seun.

You people like causing what you can't handle.

What exactly is my belief? Lol

Jewesgratitud3:
Jehovah!
In this time and age is where people are still carrying out such practices??.. SMH

In this time and age people are still going to church to listen to thieves and rapists.

Pulpit bandit with chicken voice and undertaker coat

Religion and corruption is like 5 & 6

'Combat ready drone'

saviourGeorge:


What’s bs?

Balabluuu Society

The job must have been stressful. His looks relaxed now.

ZKOSOSO:
You go get wetin you dey find las las....

Breakfast before early morning....dey play...

Breakfast is better 'chopped' early, that's in the morning than keeping an empty stomach till 11.50pm to chop am finally.

Westerhoffe:
What are the offers?


Must you guys insult and cast aspersions?


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Nigerians are fast learners. Insults and ridicule was the trademark of obidients during the last election.

obedience4:


Dude, why do policemen have weapons? Ain't them meant to protect civilians
You are funny, let me quote a key parts of the resolution


(1)demands the immediate establishment of a ceasefire and a complete end to violence and all attacks against, and abuses of, civilians;

(2)imposes a no-fly zone over Libya;

(3)authorizes "all necessary measures [...] to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory";

(4)strengthens the arms embargo and particularly action against mercenaries, by allowing for forcible inspections of ships and planes;
imposes a ban on all Libyan-designated flights;

(5)imposes an asset freeze on assets owned by the Libyan authorities, and reaffirms that such assets should be used for the benefit of the Libyan people;
extends the travel ban and assets freeze of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 to a number of additional individuals and Libyan entities;

(6)establishes a panel of experts to monitor and promote sanctions implementation.


Key point 1 demanded a unilateral cease fire which Gaddafi refuse to,

Key point 2,, did you see were the UN authorised all "necessary measures"to protect civilians,
All necessary measures may include airstrike against Gaddafi pro forces attacking civilians
Was is the USA that removed Gaddafi, it's people removed him,after year's of slavery
Gaddafi a known supporter of terrorism.
Is either you are blinded by hate, Gaddafi repeatedly attack civilians, killed thousands, also his revolutionary guards also fired upon NATO jets enforcing the no fly zone.

There are no USA base in Libya,

Read on the legitimacy of NATO intervention in Yugoslavia,
Many are of the opinion that the intervention was necessary to stop the deliberate attempt to commit genocide against ethics Albanians.
the UN review of the issue is subjective doesn't hold water, did the UN general assemble not voted against Russia war in Ukraine is illegal, has that stopped mad man Putin,


NATO is and will always be a defence alliance,
Your opinion simply doesn't change
That doesn't mean it's has to wait till one member is attacked before it makes it move.
Let me quote article 1 of NATO charter

"The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations"


You can read from above that NATO ain't just formed to attend to members issues, but to Settle and intervene in international dispute, as approved by the United's Nations
So the intervention in Libya, Bosnian, Yugoslavia are consistent with the basis for which the organisation was formed.


.If NATO secretary general
Jens Stoltenberg during the last NATO general meeting calls the alliance the biggest defence alliance in the world, while the f**k will I care about your opinion.

Your inane vitriol against Russia still does not expain how this mandate fits into the attack of a convoy of a Nation's leader by drone and gleefully celebrating like savages "We came, we saw, he died"

Still can't explain how the UN ruled that the actions of NATO in Yugoslavia were illegal. Again your neigbour breeding leopards claiming they are for his protection.

NATO is a monster that has gone beyond the reason for it's formation and thank goodness the Russians have shown were the red lines are.

obedience4:


Like I said in my first write up about the Libya intervention, NATO was enforcing a UN Security council resolution,
You can verify it yourself.
Nigeria was also a non perment member of the UN security council at that time and it voted to support it,
NATO choose to enforced the resolution,
Try and Google the resolution and see it's cardinal points,
The united nationa voted and NATO choose to enforced it.
China, and Russia are permanent members they did not oppose the resolution.
Just to remind you that before NATO intervention in Libya, there was already a civil war going for year's.

On the Yugoslavia intervention, NATO was enforcing a no flight zone, but it's jets started coming under attacks by Yugoslavia Sams

The first USA military involvement in Somalia was as part of Unified Task Force UNITAF
This was in 1992 even Nigeria military men participated
Them also in the United's state's also participated during the UN led UNOSOM in 1995
Then after 9/11 the USA started bombing terrorists site in Somalia used by Al-Shabaab
Terrorist, who are also being sponsored by Alcadea
There is justification by the USA to attack terrorists cells, over 5000 Americans died after 9/11 attacks, if not for the USA war on terrorism and terrorism sponsors state, the world won't be as safe as it is.

My question is this how dose the USA military intervention the same as Russia barbaric invasion of Ukraine,
The USA invaded Afghanistan after 9/11 to remove the Taliban government who shelter and sponsored Osama bin Laden's, the intervention in Yugoslavia to stop the killing of ethnic Albanians, the intervention in Somalia to stop Mohamed Farrah Aidid who was killing his people,
Give me a reason why Putin attacked Ukraine?

So Resolution 1973 authorizing member states to take measures to protect Libyan civilians means regime change and use of drones to attack Ghaddafi as he escaped. Please clap for yourself Have the civilians been protected now? The overstepping of the mandate erodes the credibility of NATO.

So in essence what you are saying is Bleep the UN prosecutor review and investigation with subsequent statement about NATO's illegal aggression in Yugoslavia.

At the end of the day you just confimed that NATO is not a defence alliance. Hope you can read the charter and understand what it means. That is if you know what a defence alliance stands for.

gare:


Fortify your fence 😂

With wetin naa. Leopard wey dey climb tree. In Nigeria, area pipo go gather and the neighbour go collect sef

obedience4:


I think you should read more about the NATO intervention in Bosnia intervention, NATO was only enforcing united nation resolution
They am were also enforcing a no flight zone resolution by the UN security council.
Note NATO was enforcing the no flights zone as mandated by the UN when a USA jet was shut down
Read about the "Srebrenica massacar"
We're over 7,000 civilians were killed by Bosnian Serbs that resulted in a meeting in London and brought NATO military involvement in Bosnia.

Stop saying what you do not know with confidence. lol
Below is an extract from Final Report by the UN Committee Established to Review the NATO Bombing Campaign Against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
"NATO’s resort to force was not authorized by the Security Council or in self-defence, that the resort to force was illegal and, consequently, all force"

obedience4:

NATO in Kosovo was because of the ethnic cleansing of Albanians and Yugoslavia refusal to sign the UN peace plan theRambouillet Agreement, led to NATO intervention
Although they didn't seem UN approval as the Bosnian intervention.

Interesting, very interesting. Your defence alliance does not need UN approval before bombing another country that is NOT a NATO
member....but Russia does. Anyway the final report by the UN comittee says it all or should we take your own personal report

obedience4:

NATO was never in Somalia, only the USA military intervene in Somalia, and this intervention was justified.

Really, Unilaterally bombing another nation is justified by US definition but Russian intervention in Ukraine is not justified by Russian definition. lol

obedience4:

Also article 5 was invoked after the 9/11 attacks in the USA

I will have to agree with you on this only although I did not include Afghanistan on my list.

Waiting patiently for your response on the reckless, offensive attack on Libya, regime change and total reduction of the country to failed state by Nato , the almighty defence alliance which destabilised sub saharan Africa by free flow of weapons.

obedience4:



NATO is a defensive alliance,
Russia has always been the most aggressive country in Europe,
Your point using the leopard illustration is flawed, Russia is the aggressor not the other way round
Ask your self what drove neutral Finland to NATO??
The senseless invasions of Ukraine made Finland a country that has been neutral for over a 100 year's( they were neutral during ww1amd ww2) to join a military alliance

I leave you now with a list to ponder on your " NATO is a defensive alliance blablabla" Now tell me from the list below where article 5 was invoked. Infact give me one example where article 5 was ever invoked with all the countless NATO operations in the World.

Bosnia and Herzegovina 1992
Kosovo-Montenegro-Serbia 1999
Somalia 2009
Libya 2011

NATO is a Tiger no one wants near the fence