₦airaland Forum

Zionmdde:
The Law is the law
Pengassan chose to remind dangote of the law
Or is there any other law u know?

There's a law against a private employer laying off staff? Yet they do it almost daily, are you sure about this? Can you pls point me to the paragraph in the labor law?

Zionmdde:
Maybe you have refused to see the bigger picture of employers sacking employees at will without consequences

So when it comes to dangote, we should see the bigger picture? GTB sacked staff in August, nothing happened. Another bank also did same in September, nothing happened. Why is dangote's own an issue? I don't like people being laid off but it's not a crime.

Esthered:
What does his mansion have to do with the bank if they're struggling?

He used his money and the property is also funded by mortgage. Why make it an issue?

OP in banking, once you get to ED level you're a billionaire in Nigeria. One state governor had a PJ as an ED in a bank before his foray into politics. Go and rest abeg.

It's baffling, so because the bank might not be meeting it's target, the man should not spend his money?

Zionmdde:
They were not protesting rather pengassan was making a statement. If they were easily dispensible then why did he make them sign bonds.
Or did you see any of the sacked workers in the street protesting? Those guys are easily employable finished products for IOCs and oversees companies

Think wide

So why have pengassan requested that dangote re-hire them? If they were truly indispensable, dangote would not have fired them, think near

Zionmdde:
Me work in dangote's company? Ahhhhh see insult na

Most of them could have left there if not because of the bonds they signed na. Now they are free. They will go one by one

Dangote can spend more employing experienced Indians oooo, or training another batch, who will also join union and jakpa

But he sacked them earlier and they were asking/protesting for their jobs back, if it's that easy to move to another place, do you think they'd have gone to this length to get their jobs back? You're talking of bonds, if an employer terminates your employment, that nullifies any bond you have with him, so I'm not sure how a bond held them back after dangote sacked them

Seems like a way for both parties to save face, although it does favour dangote more. No staff in the refinery will now dare to join pengassan with the fear of redeployment, most likely to a less enviable environment and dangote can quietly lay off the concerned staff at a future date, if he wishes to do so, without much uproar.

aribisala0:
I was talking to someone else and you butted it





So what sensible point do you think you were making

What is the connection

He said you should be flogged for wanting to do union in a private business
Do you agree?

You just jumped in and started arguing blindly

I don't care about that person's comment, I didn't even see it, and I'd have ignored it if I did see it like I ignore most people here cause they have no idea what they're saying but their voices are always the loudest and filled with useless tribal quips. I felt you were the exception to the NL norm which is why I was willing to engage with you, I mean imagine saying that a staff should be whipped

aribisala0:
the status of private employer does not exist in law
There is nothing like that
In law there is employer full stop

Many keep repeating private employer as if it has any extra or special meaning

All employers must comply with the law and Dangote can sack workers as long as the law is followed
Same applies to Shell, NNPC,Zenith Bank or the Federal Government

There is no separate law for private business
So that is a moot and redundant point
It has no meaning

I'm not about to continue this back n forth when you respond with the condescension you've shown already, once again, happy independence day brother 🎇

aribisala0:
You realise you joined a queue and on getting to the front you have no clue what the queue is for?

Don't join queues blindly

I have no idea what you're talking about and it's clear you have no idea on the dangote-pengassan rift, sad really.

aribisala0:
You are the one now accusing me of accusing Dangote
So you must know what you are accusing me of accusing Dangote of??
I am not confusing but you are confused

Alright, I tire of this, obviously you don't have a valid rebuttal and are self aware enough to understand same. Happy independence day brother 🎇

Iceberg3:
Alexander Isaak will be the downfall of Liverpool.

They made a huge mistake bringing him to Liverpool....he ain't a fast paced striker that Liverpool needs..guy should have stayed back @ Newcastle

Isak ke? It was ekitike that led the line o, why blame isak for wetin e no know about?

aribisala0:
Do you have evidence that I claimed Dangote broke the law?
You are nearly clever. Almost.

You're confusing, what exactly are you accusing dangote of then? What's your grouse exactly?

Penguin2:
Why did he sack 800 of his staff that voted to join PENGASSAN?

Reorganization, it's stated on the layoff memo. If you or pengassan believe it's due to unionization, you can take it to court to prove it, bearing in mind that a private employer cannot be told how to run his business or who to sack/retain as long as he abides by the laws of the land, which dangote has done so far

aribisala0:
Under Nigerian law can an employer say to his employees

You cannot join a union and if you do I will sack you yes or no?

Let's play your game then, NO, it is against the labor law to force staff to not join a union.
Now over to you, do you have evidence that dangote broke this law?

I didn't see any fresh body in the video so I don't understand all this uproar. What I really want to know is why he was exhumed and placed in a different coffin?

aribisala0:
Under Nigerian law can an employer say to his employees

You cannot join a union and if you do I will sack you yes or no?

Brother why are you still towing this line like a broken record? I thought we were having a cerebral conversation. I have given you evidence that exists in the public domain that dangote did not tell his staff not to join a union so he clearly did not break the labor law. I'm also pretty sure that he left some union staff in his employ so he can present evidence in court, if needed, that the staff that were laid off were not due to unionization even though we know to an extent that it's definitely a major reason why. If we're going to continue this conversation, you have to give me legit and prove-able feedback, not this same "dangote told his staff not to join the union" shtick.

aribisala0:
Irrelevant and emotional

You need to learn how to debate on issues

I don't care what Dangote is trying to avoid

What does the Nigerian constitution say
If you are playing a game you stick to the rules
What are the issues
What are the rules

Under Nigerian law can an employer say to his employees

You cannot join a union and if you do I will sack you yes or no?

Lol, what was emotional about my post? You're funny 😀.
Now as to your assertions, dangote did not stop his staff from joining the union, if he actually told them not, do you think they'd have the temerity to join? Let's take away all emotions as you've rightly stated, this is a business and should only be viewed in that prism. I have attached evidence that dangote did not stop staff from unionizing, of course I'm sure he must have found a way to pass a message across internally that he's very much against unionization.
I have also attached another memo from dangote where he says that the reorganization/layoff is part of plans to reduce sabotage and that he still has over 3,000 Nigerian employees working for him. Looking at all this, taking emotions away, what is dangote's crime? Bear in mind that he's allowed to sack staff as long as they're paid their due emoluments, and it's stated on the reorganization memo that the entitlements of the laid off staff would be calculated and paid to them.
The reason an educated union like pengassan is towing the strike route is because they know that if this gets to a court of law they have no locus standi as dangote did not commit any crime or abuse any labor law, the man was very careful in his public handling of the unionization brouhaha

flokii:
To cover up his attrocities.. he doesn't want unions to expose his dealings because they will be eyes and ears of their national body at his refinery.
2. He intends to use the Nigerian workers in his refinery as slaves while he pays illiterate Indians high salaries. Imagine a Nigerian Engineer earning far below an Indian technician/labourer without degree.

The unions would definitely not allow such, reason he wants to shut them off his refinery.

Do you know what a slave is? Why use terms you aren't conversant with? Dangote cannot stop a staff from resigning, he cannot not pay them at the end of the month as long as they're still staff, this relationship is not a slave-master relationship, stop saying things that are false. If I do not want to work for my current employer, I simply put in a letter of resignation, I know friends who don't even give notice, they just leave without a word.
Now to the pay structure, there's no way to prove any of your claims as we don't have the level and payslips of the Nigerian and Indian staff to compare. How sure are you that a Nigerian engineer on the SAME LEVEL with an Indian staff is earning far less as you stated? I emphasized same level because they can be doing similar things but are on different levels. I do the same things with some of my colleagues but out-earn them, reverse is also the case for my senior colleagues, now do you expect me to down tools or protest because my senior colleagues earn more even if they do same things I do? Also I'm pretty sure the pay structure was communicated to everyone before employment, why's it an issue now? Why take the job if you are not comfortable with the salary? Why stay if you're not comfortable with the salary? You've exercised your constitutional right to join a union, which of course no one can fault you on, why then do you fault a private employer from exercising his constitutional right to layoff staff? Banks layoff thousands of staff at once, infact GTB and some other banks laid off staff as recent as August but no furor was raised about that because banks do not allow unions dictate their modus operandi. I'm not saying it's right to layoff staff, merely pointing out that private employers are allowed to do so

aribisala0:
People assert the wrong thing and they do so with amazing confidence

Business in general is private nearly all business in Nigeria is private and they are unionised

Let us take PENGASSAN
Where do they work

SHELL,MOBIL CHEVRON AGIP, OANDO,TOTAL,SEPLAT
THEY ARE PRIVATE

You heard someone say something and with zero understanding go about repeating with confidence something you know nothing about

Pilot's have a union.
Are they government workers?
Are bankers government workers? Do they have a union

Think first talk next or better think first and stay silent

Bankers do not down tools when nlc declares a strike, pilots also do not download tools. No private employer worth his salt will allow his staff to join a union that can hamper his business. Pengassan strike is currently hampering business for the employers you mentioned because their staff have downed tools, this is what dangote is trying to avoid in the future, I'm not sure why you guys can't see it. Those employers aren't refineries, a refinery cannot handle staff downing their tools, it's much better for dangote to resolve the issue now by replacing the unionized staff instead of waiting till they down tools in the future at an inopportune time because pengassan has an issue with another employer

Penguin2:
Are you conversant with Labour Law? The fact that when an organization is up to a certain designation, some certain things apply to it?

Like payment of minimum wage and all?

Again,have you checked similar Refineries in Belgium and other parts of Europe if their workers are not unionized?

Are you insinuating that dangote does not pay minimum wage? There's nothing wrong with dangote not wanting his staff to join a union, it's a valid response for private employers, you'll hardly see any private employer happy to have his staff unionized

Penguin2:
The crisis between Dangote and PENGASSAN has lingered for over a month. And just when you think the matter has been settled, a new dimension to it emerges.

In the heart of the crisis is the fact that PENGASSAN wants Dangote refinery workers to be unionized while Dangote opposes the idea. And the question is why?

Why doesn’t Dangote want his Refinery workers unionized?

Is it because he wants to be exploited them as he wants without anyone to question him or what?

Because if the argument is about Dangote Refinery being a private establishment, then remember that all commercial Banks in Nigeria are privately owned but their workers are members of the sector’s union.

All Commercial Airlines in Nigeria are privately owned yet their workers belong to the sector’s union.

Why should Dangote Refinery case be different?

Firstly, bankers do not go on strike when NLC does, they're not really serious members of any group.

Now let's use this nupeng/pengassan strike as an example, the local content in my resident state has closed shop because of the strike, something that's happening in Lagos, affecting all states of the federation. Now imagine that dangote staff are all members of the union and a strike is called in the future for an issue with shell or Chevron, the workers would down tools because of a situation dangote has no hand in and cannot control, his refinery suffers. For a private business, fear of unions is a valid response honestly.

SolaOmoniyi:
Tinubu approves new policy linking NYSC to Nigeria Education Repository and Databank (NERD)

The Federal Government has directed that no graduate will be mobilised for the National Youth Service Corps (NYSC) without submitting their final year project, thesis, or dissertation to the Nigeria Education Repository and Databank (NERD).

President Bola Ahmed Tinubu approved the policy under Sections 2(4)(4) and 16(1)(C) of the NYSC Act, making compliance with NERD a mandatory requirement for mobilisation and exemption.

A circular issued by the Secretary to the Government of the Federation, Senator George Akume, confirmed that the directive will take effect from October 6, 2025.

According to the Minister of Education, Dr. Tunji Alausa, the new rule is designed to curb certificate fraud, preserve intellectual property, and strengthen quality assurance in Nigerian higher education.

NERD spokesperson Haula Galadima explained that each Read more...
https://dailyobserver.ng/students-must-submit-final-year-projects-for-nysc-mobilisation-fg/

I understand preserving intellectual property but how will this curb certificate fraud and strengthen quality assurance?

press9jatv:
The referee cheat arsenal for not awarding the penalty shootout

How can you award a penalty shootout? That's the one that teams play a round of penalty kicks till one team loses.

Saturnalia:
I know you must defend criminals as long as you’re from that “REGION” and pretend as if “Fake Alerts” is new in Nigeria.

No! They are not scamming people with Fake Transfers. It is the Mobile Banking Apps that are scamming people.

Try to have some sense. Fake alerts have been in existence for over a decade, you should have enough sense to not depend on only sender's alert. The op said he was in a hurry and didn't bother to confirm from app or email, where has that rush taken him to now? It has brought him to NL to lament his loss. While it's pitiable what happened to him, it never should have happened, you should have enough common sense to confirm your payment before releasing goods

Dss says they received petition from person A. Person A has been contacted and she said she did no such thing, obviously someone in government wants sarkin behind bars.
Why can these agencies not make their arrests during daytime? Everytime Dem go enter person house at night like thieves 😤 I still remember one of them that was gunned down because the person they were trying to harass mistook them for thieves, would it kill you to issue invitation requests to the accused for questioning or visit during day time like normal human beings?

Efuaye:
In future, another governor will pay compensation for all the buildings he’s demolishing now.
Jokers who don’t know what to do with the excess monies they are getting from Abuja!
I don’t know why Nigerians hates themselves by choosing the wrong persons as their leaders.

Well said brother

davodyguy:
Exactly.

Some people don't get what Dangote is trying to do

Get Monopoly, kill other players

Explain let's understand, how's not wanting your staff to join a union creating a monopoly?

Zionmdde:
Dangote, it's time to start dancing the dance

Even though the news is not correct and it's not possible to shut dangote down as pengasson does not have that power

But they will soon play drums for dangote. You wake up and sent people home without caring how you not only damage their lives but that of all their dependents

I was thinking same thing. How would pengassan even have the power to stop crude supply to dangote? Are these reporters mentally stable at all?

EyeCumInPeace:
Not our day.

We played very well but the result didn't go our way.
With what I saw, we have what it takes to beat any team in the world

You smoke loud? Brentford wey wan injure una

mattbass:
Just look at the comments section... Lol... The investor mentioned he is a repeat founder and have severally invested in him and this post from him is just on a lighter mode... And already people have started judging the founder. We are to quick to judge when we don't even know the crux of a matter.

Thanks brother. I was looking for a reasonable comment, we don't read in this country, just rush to comment like zombies, it's very irritating

Is it that you can't read or you did not see the disclaimer he also posted? I knew when I saw the post on X that one bozo was going to bring it on NL and twist his words, very silly. The fact that you also did a screenshot of the disclaimer yet ignored it is totally mind boggling.

Well this is an interesting piece of news. Let's see what happens next