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Chef2000:
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Chino stop quoting me with your rubbish, we can smell your body odour miles away

Chino stop this nonsense

BankeSmalls:
Every Nigerian family has an economy. Or maybe you need to be re educated.

stop replying him.. Nah Chino. He created that account today

Osagyefo98:
You might as well educate that nnamdi kanu's economy is biafra.

so u created an account today jst to derail this thread?

Tufia

Y are some people bent on destroying this thread? What kind of nonsense is this? Please leave we igbo alone nah.

basilo101:
Nigeria does not want "igbo presidency", "hausa presidency", "yoruba presidency" etc. If igbos want to be president they should stop using that word because other tribes don't use it.

kk.. We dey look

ednited:
I agree with you totally! Europeans are evil and continue to be. They introduced tribalism to break Africa. We are still under modern colonisation! They did everything to destroy who we are and to look after their wrong belief.

A response to basilo01

Egyptians and Ethiopians are pure Africans. Europeans actually want other Africans to think that we aren't black so that other Africans like you could not take our achievement as an achievement of Africa. The ones who built that big Egyptian civilization were black. Many Africans have achieved many things but Europeans destroyed many. There are many Mali and Ethiopian heritages stolen and kept in Britain. Our statue of Axum was stolen and kept in Italy as it belongs to them.

Anyways, I hope you get it

thank you my broda..

basilo101:
Will Buhari rule for ever? Do you what know what their nationalistic game may bring tomorrow. I hope they have their hidden tribal game though

super story.. If u believe in igbo presidency.. U are dreaming

basilo101:
Who said we are not accepted?

lol. So u are not in Nigeria?

basilo101:
You must mask your tribalism with fake nationalism for you to progress. Thas the point. Igbos must learn to stop being too straightforward

do we ave good leaders? What is ngige doing? Rochas nko? Joe Igbokwe? And other Igbos in apc... Are they not playing the so called nationalism game? What ave it brought them. What ave they bring back home. Nothing. Have they tried to amend any bridges? The best they can do is to bad mouth igbo to he seen as "detribalised Nigerian"

basilo101:
You must mask your tribalism with fake nationalism for you to progress. Thas the point. Igbos must learn to stop being too straightforward

mr.the last time I checked igbo properties are scattered in Nigeria. Every where. Even where they are despised and our so-called nationalist from other tribes can neva do it. So tell me what kinda thing should we do to be accepted?

basilo101:
4get talk oga. Buhari compromised his stance to get what had eluded him for long. Igbos must do same.

compromise in which way? Can u xplain?.

pazienza:
What are you on about? Did Buhari ever apologize for it or decant any of those his utterances?
Which humility did Buhari exhibit to become president today.

Ndiigbo must learn to stop being Igbo. That's the only way you are going to please our detractors, if that's what you want. And even that wouldn't be good enough, seeing how they easily fished out Odili as Igbo, when the time was right.

lol Edwin Clark fished him out sharply... This are the same people that will advise them that they ain't igbo but when the time comes they will tell you who u are

pazienza:
Nope. Those are excuses used to justify the original sin, which is "being Igbo".

Are the Yorubas subtle? They live flamboyant lifestyle, throw Owambe up and down, wear the best clothes even with empty bank accounts. They are loudmouthed and boastful too. They tell whoever that care to listen How they are the most sophisticated group in Nigeria, how they lead in Education, entertainment, etc. How they produced many firsts in Nigeria, how they built first TV station, first tallest building, etc. I have heard it all from them.
It was on this forum we were all told and insulted on daily basis about how the entire Osun IGR is supposedly bigger than those of the entire SE, until the recession came, and they couldn't pay salaries, only then did the loud mouthed ones crawl into their caves.

What about the Hausa-Fulani. They threatened fire and brimstone, should power not return to the North. On daily basis, they made inflammatory statements.
They told their Yoruba partners how they should forget Kwara, should they attempt to go for independence from Nigeria, they went to news media and told the Yorubas How they conquered and converted their pagan clans to Muslims in Ilorin and continue to rule Ilorin today, how is that for subtlety?
Buhari threatened baboon and Monkey getting soaked in blood should he lose the election in 2011,how is that for subtlety?
The current emir of Kano, had the temerity to openly tell the Yorubas that they are the trouble with Nigeria. How is that for subtlety? Yorubas didn't do anything about it. Imaginre if it were Ndiigbo that made that statement, what the rest of Nigerians would say.

None of those groups are subtle, don't let them "psycho bully" you into accepting that Ndiigbo are overdoing things more than they themselves are.

don't them. They see us as defeated people and ave the right to do anything they want.. If itx an igbo man. They will carry it for head. This is what is happening in South south they rather blame igbo than blame those who is reaping them of their oil

pazienza:
Eritrea has sea access. Ethiopia became a landlocked country immediately Eritrea seceded.
The rest of your point stands.

kk boss

pazienza:
This is the issue.
Every Nigerian is innately a hardcore tribalist, that it is political suicide for us to not be one. Each time I see an Igbo man that professes nationalistic deposition, I see a calamity that must not be allowed to hold a political post in Igboland.

don't mind them. Efulefu that's what they are. Eventually when such post is giving to them which they neva xpected. They will start using it to oppress his people to impress his masters and then u hear words like I am a "detribalised Nigerian"..

Bede2u:
wat is my opinion? These are hard cold facts. U think europe cares about any aftican tribe? Europe wants africa to develop. Thats part of the reason they colonised us and allows us to come study their science...but that they are somehow afraid of us is laughable....dem never fear china finish...na divided africa they will be fearing.

They wish us well. But they are tired of carrying us like babies

mr.. I don't agree.. The European didn't colonise Africa to develop us. They saw us as black monkeys who could walk upright... They used us as sports.they sent some of my fathers to untimely grave... Some was thrown into the sea. Some raped. Castrated and burned alive. Neva u justify their coming as a good thing in Africa. Europe wrecked Africa. They subdued us and tuned us into clown for four hundred years..... European are evil... Pale skin devils... They told us that African was not developed. That we couldn't write. That we were animals living in the Bush and they came and taught us good thing.... Europeans introduced tribalism in Africa...they are evil.. Pale skin devil... They destroyed Africa civilization. Imagine Egypt. Ethiopia. Igbo nsibidi... And lots of other things. European are evil

Handsomegod:
Bede what I asked was books you read. Names of the book and possibly chapters which support the views you expressed so far. Please I ask you first. Have you seen excerpts from Senator Buka Abba ibrahim's lastest book "POORLITICS" where he described Ojukwu and the forces that pushed the war? The Fulani senator committed tribal suicide! He shot truths that will give Buhari heart attack. I am waiting sir.

i want that book.. I ave been seeing people like baron. Agha egwu and co talking about the book.. Is there any of it in pdf format

Bede2u:
they allowed eritrea and south sudan.

But they didnt allow catalonia and confederate states of america.

Its simple...once two ppl agree to part ways, europe will support them

did u say that Sudan agreed bfore south Sudan went on the way?so u didn't hear of the Civil War that decimated the country and u. N and co had no choice than to divide the country

Bede2u:
they allowed eritrea and south sudan.

But they didnt allow catalonia and confederate states of america.

Its simple...once two ppl agree to part ways, europe will support them

who told u that Eritrea was allowed to go in peace. Go and read about the Civil War Eritrea fought and the last time I checked. Peace was made this year afta 29 years of bitter rivalry between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Eritrea is landlocked and the Ethiopians barred them from using the sea ports and placed troops there but still Eritrea was booming and later peace was made..

If Europe truly wants to develop Africa. They can do it..but they rather supply ammunition and weapons... What ave European done for Africa? What they are good in is to dish out humongous loan to our selfish leaders which they know that nothing good will come out from it.all for one thing.. To colonise Africa again all in the name of paying debt and loot us dry

Bede2u:
i use to say these things nwanne...until i decided to read far.

Ojukwu went to war cos he had no choice? Who goes to war cos they had no choice?? Just wat ppl tell themselves after they lose a war. Cos winners dont say ish like that.

Ojukwu came back and saw that gowon backtracked on aburi? So? He could have given a press conference and tell the world that they shouldnt see our silence as weakness...he would have boasted and boasted but quietly went and settled with gowon, while building his strenght gradually. He might be able to topple gowon later if he bidded his time and built his strenght...afterall gowon was in lagos not in kaduna.

They were murdering igbos in thousands...ojukwu decided to fight back without weapons and got igbos murdered in millions.

And let me tell u...it was nigeria who won us...not any u.k...they might have supplied arms to nigeria while refusing to supply to us....but the strategy was from gowon and co. They took enugu, took ph and took all our coastal areas...

who threw the first stone. It was go work. He broke the pact and nobody said anything about it. England. Ussr. America and co. They all kept quiet even though they were aware of that pact...

Bede2u:
wat is my opinion? These are hard cold facts. U think europe cares about any aftican tribe? Europe wants africa to develop. Thats part of the reason they colonised us and allows us to come study their science...but that they are somehow afraid of us is laughable....dem never fear china finish...na divided africa they will be fearing.

They wish us well. But they are tired of carrying us like babies

if truly Europe wants Africa developed y is it hard for them to grant referendum to people who wants to form a country... Europe hate Africa and they want to do anything possible to hold us down

Bede2u:
he meant that ussr thought biafra would build futuristic technology that might rival theres if biafra is allowed to stand....and i say it is a BIG lie. Ussr wouldnt think that...cos there was no basis for that. Biafra as at 1968 was largely rural and filled with illiterates. Our developed weapon was very crude and the developed world has gone past them at the time. Ussr was building a space station for Godsake. U.s just droped an atom bomb in highly developed japan...while u.k just finished colonising half the world.

The only reason u.k didnt help biafra is because they didnt want other seperatists movement to arise in fragile africa. The reason u.s didnt help is because nigeria was u.k sphere of influence...and the reason ussr didnt help was that biafra wouldnt accept to become communist...plus they were already fighting the cold war with u.s

Nobody was afraid of any biafra bcoming japan of africa...thats just propaganda

that's ur opinion but I disagree

Who sent nzeogwu on that mission? Those who did chickened out..the likes of awolowo and co..when was the coup tagged igbo coup? Even though they know that the group is mixed with people from different part of the country but some people saw it as an avenue to remove the igbo... Nd igbo like nzeogwu was busy been a nationalist while others where hard core tribalist..

Bede2u:
only problem was why did he allow the war in the 1st place? And wen he did, why didnt he win or knw wen to quit?

I dont think ojukwu had money towards the later part of his life....cos i know he wasnt a business man himself.

But if of all i said, the one u want to fault is only that particular one...den it means i am 95% right.

We would have been actually great (not all these empty chest beat of greatness we do here) if we had critical thinkers as our leaders in the 50s and 60s. None of them was a critical thinker... and i dont care where they are from...cos they are all igbo to me

ojukwu did what he had to do..gowon was the one who broke the aburi pact...... They where murdering igbo all over Nigeria and u xpect him to keep quiet? And clap for them.... He did what was necessary Nigerian didn't win the war... They where aided by our Colonial masters and other countries who saw biafra as the only obstacle from looting Nigeria dry.....ojukwu did the right thing...we fought back rather than been dragged and rapedd in the street without doing nothing... Afta set and done. Hope Nigeria is getting better?

Bede2u:
i tire o...ussr wey u.s dey fear go come dey fear biafra join?

mister stop twisting what he said... U understand what handsomegod meant by that statement.. Did he tell you that biafra will start quarreling with us. Ussr and co...

Bede2u:
all u said dont disprove my point.

Ojukwu was told to declare biafra...could he have refused and urged the ppl egging him on that another course should be followed because there was not enough weapons to defend the territory from fg? Yes he could have...even in the face of massive intimidation by fg remained calm, knowing he had no weapon. But he chose the loud course and wasted my fathers.

Europe didnt want another japan in africa? Really? If u said this... and then said later 'thats why europe told gowon to kill all igbos' then i would understand. If igbos manufactured that in small biafra, wat told europeans that a united nigeria with both igbos and others wont be even deadlier than just biafra?
Why do u guys hide behind one finger? How can u say that a largely rural and illiterate biafra was being feared by ussr who already sent a rocket to space and had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapon. Lets not insult our inteligence here pls. There are no kids here.
Ussr was already in cuba, in china, in north korea, in east germany, in poland spreading communism. They offered to help ojukwu if he would join the communist movement...ojukwu fearing france and the west, said no thank u. They would have stayed off...but ojukwu's arrogance made them to actively sell arms to nigeria to spite the smart-mouthed ojukwu

2 months after the war, enugu fell. Ph fell a few months later and by 12 months into the war, biafra was just the present abia, imo, anambra and ebonyi. The remaining 5 states of today were already in nigeria's control. At that point, wat was ojukwu fighting for? Wen it became clear to gowon that they have adequately surrounded ojukwu, they just blockaded us and waited until hunger and disease made us surrender. Did it have to come to dat? That is why enugu people didnt experience hunger like other people did. Cos they fell early in the war to nigeria.

Ojukwu failed woefully. Dude came back and couldnt even win common senate. He was again outmanouvered by his political opponents. Ojukwu lived a sheltered life. His dad was richest man in nigeria. His grasp of the street is very limited. He hoped more on his books and big grammer. He became very broke and spent much of his active life trying to recover his father's property and failing in almost every political outing

what did you jst say? That ojukwu was broke and wretched? I can see u are going nuuutz... Ojukwu who used his father's wealth to fight for what he believed in is wretched and poor?.. I can see that u ave a personal problem with ojukwu which u didn't settle with him bfore he died... Nonsense...

Handsomegod:
Ezigbote Ezi Bida! We all should clap and dance because they bought one car in a backwater Poly?. The millions of Igbo business ventures that pay outrageous taxes and sustain the dirty cats in the west na esusu dem be abi? Yet at every point,Igbos will be threatened with eviction yet you seek the full meaning of bigoted nde? Go find better work. This your Joe Igbokwe work here don expire

don't mind him. When an igbo man expresses his rights... They start threatening him with deportation.. Closing of shops. They start increasing the taxes jst to frustrate us but God in his infinite mercy is keeping us alive

For people who thinks America and co are ur allies.. U must be dreaming. All of them are the same set of people... Wicked. Manipulative and evil... Don't even judge them base on their pale skin cos their heart is full of evil and wickedness and God will surely pay them back with evil....

Handsomegod:
Bede. Ojukwu never declared the war. Ojukwu did more to avert the war than Gowon or any other person dead or alive. He preserved the 158 northern military officers who landed under his care in Kano on the very day of the coup. He Infact led them to safety. He conceded to all the Federal side demanded at Aburi only for same agreements to be jettisoned by the Federal side at the advise of the British Secretary of State,Horold Wilson and Prince Akenzua,the then SFG. The Eastern Consultative Assembly mandated and empowered Ojukwu to declare Biafra as a last effort for survival and self -preservation. Between May and November 1966,hundreds of thousands of Igbos were massacred in the north and South West including nearby Benin City in an open and unrestricted show of savagery and mob action. Neither the regional nor Federal government lifted a finger to halt the carnage. Igbophobia was already entrenched in the psyche of the Nigerians. The events leading to this period was only a convenient excuse to finish "inyamiri" off. Secession was only natural. What kind of International Politics do you expect Ojukwu to play when same international levers of Power are the covert executors of the war for sinister reasons. The only probable ally would have been Communist Russia. Guess what the Russian Party Secretary told the delegate that went to seek help in Moscow? He called them aside and point blankly said the following: "A country that is not yet 2 months old that can manufacture monster bombs,rockets,rocket launchers,radar system and all manner of inventions must be feared. We can not afford another Japan in Africa. We cannot help you". Have you read Akanu Ibiam's letter to Queen Elizabeth denucing his Knighthood as a protest to the Crown's complicity in the Biafran genocide? Google is your friend. It will further expose the depth of international conspiracy against our people from inception. Foreign economic interest was also paramount to that conflict. In the words of a historian, Kristilolu"Lydon Johnson,the then American President backed Nigeria because EUROPE and AMERICA cannot afford to have a Japan in Africa. There are reasons for this. Biafrans invented the things now being used in Brazil where we have cars run on sugar cane fuel". When you say he prolonged the war when he already lost,i am at loss sir. Ojukwu was an accidental leader. He played his role well and did his best. People who only celebrate other people's foibles naturally have very little to give. On a final note,i recommend you read widely to be better informed on this matters.

Chai... U ave said it all.. There was indeed q country... Britain did us great evil.... They want to keep Africa in ruins and neva to rise up again....