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Ibime:
You know it's one rule for defenders and another rule for attacking players. If attacking player pop 40 goals, nothing a defensive player can do to wrestle it from him.

For defensive player to win, it's either no attacker performed outstandingly or defensive player broke some records eg in 2005, Chelsea broke record for least goals conceded with just[b] 15 [/b] so they must consider Terry. Same with VVD. No attacker punched above 30 goals plus Liverpool clean sheets was approaching historic levels

Kante win in 2017 is confirmatory that he was the driving force of Leicester win the prior year. If attacker had popped 40 goals that season, they would still take it from him. But that award was reward for 2 years work in a way.

which one is this 40 goals you keep mentioning anybody don ever reach 35 before talk more of 40?


Kane don knack 29 goals before for epl, nobody look em side. Kante won it. What is the difference between 29 and 31 that suarez scored?

Many of The voters don't just count goals before they vote, like you, that is why Kante and VVD won it.

All these things you are saying about an attacking doing this and that is because of the rubbish cr7 was doing just to keep up pace with Messi and he was able to appeal to the sentiments of the people who vote.
Thank God, things are beginning to change of recent and the hard workers in midfield and defence are beginning to get the recognition they deserve.

Not those times they just give awards to people who score tap ins up and down

Swissh:
The year hazard won PFA Kdb was not in the league so your first part is dead.

Someone posted their various stats since kdb came to England and he has contributed more goals + assist each season than hazard during that time frame so how is hazard better?


I keep seeing this rubbish. How many matches did kdb play for Chelsea and are you forgetting he was an academy player I may be wrong while hazard was bought for big cash so who did you expect the club to use more especially a coach like Mourinho.

which KDB was an academy player? He was simply at the level of today's Mount Mason. Mason is playing only because there are no top players again.
KDB was a late bloomer. Let me just put it like that

Ibime:
Attackers get rated on goals and assists whether you like it or not. Yes, you could have good games without goals and assists like Bernardo Silva, but that will not qualify you to claim best player when killers are talking.

Wetin concern me with Ndombele. Is he Chelsea player that I have to comment on his every game. From what I watched he had a poor game

what do you mean by what you watched? Are you sure you watched well.

Ndombele is the guy that scored the precious equalizing goal. Have you forgotten? Goals are the koko

Swissh:
What is wrong with you ? Salah had a freak season which will be enough to win the PFA award for every season for the last ten if not 15 season with only Suarez coming close and you are bringing up hazard. Dont let me remember when Sanchez was robbed by Kante .What exceptional season did hazard have that you are yarning dust up and down. Overtake ko supercede ni. By your logic Scholes and Lampard are inferior to Kante?

which sanchez did Kante rob?

You must be imagining things.
You should be saying that Kante robbed hazard, not one sanchez

Ibime:

Hazard was in ghost mode till January . Costa and Fabregas established a lead, then he took over from February. He can't say that's his best season for half a season work.

this falsehood that you keep preaching here, one day i will have the time to debunk it.



Like i said earlier, your problem is the glass that you use to watch a player.


If a player does not score or assist; he had a bad game.


I wonder why you didn't come here to shut people up when they were saying that ndombele had a bad game in Tottenham's first game

Ibime:

Hazard was in ghost mode till January . Costa and Fabregas established a lead, then he took over from February. He can't say that's his best season for half a season work.

this falsehood that you keep preaching here, one day i will have the time to debunk it.



Like i said earlier, your problem is the glass that you use to watch a player.

afrodoc2:
Oooops, i did it again. LOL

In other news Real are offering PSG James Rodriguez, Gareth Bale, Keylor Navas PLUS 100m Euro in exchange for Neymar.
Apparently they urgently need someone to fill the LWF position and talismanic role vacated by Cristiano Ronaldo.

Zidane has already said that bale is staying nah

Ibime:
Sharrap. That's one of the weakest PFA win since Ryan Giggs in 2009. They only gave it to a member of the Championship.team cos there was no undeniable performance in.EPL that year. They could also have given Costa without much debate. On individual performance, Alexis and Harry Kane could argue they deserve it.

When you talk of extraordinary performance, you talk of Henry, Ronaldo, Bale, RVP, Suarez, Salah, that's it.

Any other winner is due to team success or other factors like lack of outstanding candidate. Hazard 18/19 season was far better than his 14/15 season for example and yielded no PFA.

i keep saying it. The problem you are having is the criteria that you use to rate a player's performance.

Even hazard knows that his 2014/2015 is the best in his career. Nigga was covering every part of the pitch. From defence to midfield to attack.

Was much consistent in performance. The players that voted knew better

airmark:
2014/2015, Hazard was 100% the best in the league. Only haters would debate it.

sanchez had a case though

Ibime:
Surprised to read here that Vardy won PFA PPOTY award. Vardy never won it, Mahrez did. It could equally have gone to Kante or Vardy and not many would argue.

PFA is often a toss up between 3 or 4 players, usually from the Champions and any of them could win it.

In all my time watching English football, the only undisputed PFA winners are Henry, Ronaldo, Bale, RVP, Suarez and Salah. These are guys who won it "hands down" with World Class seasons. Every other win has been debatable. Winning PFA is not a differentiator when comparing players except for the names above.

i no gree for salah own. That one na big lie.
KDB had a very strong case for that award and the vote showed it.


Why did you not add that of Kante? Is it because he is not a player that scores goals?
Did Kante not have a trully world class season?

You are spoiling football with your logic o.
To you the best players are only those who score goals

Kimbeast:
Aren't you under estimating Yaya toure season when talking about Suarez being undisputed? Dont you think 20league goals from midfield is pfa worthy.

mind you, yaya didn't even come second, hazard did

Ibime:
Surprised to read here that Vardy won PFA PPOTY award. Vardy never won it, Mahrez did. It could equally have gone to Kante or Vardy and not many would argue.

PFA is often a toss up between 3 or 4 players, usually from the Champions and any of them could win it.

In all my time watching English football, the only undisputed PFA winners are Henry, Ronaldo, Bale, RVP, Suarez and Salah. These are guys who won it "hands down" with World Class seasons. Every other win has been debatable. Winning PFA is not a differentiator when comparing players except for the names above.

i no gree for salah own. That one na big lie.
KDB had a very strong case for that award and the vote showed it.


Why did you not add that of Kante? Is it because he is not a player that scores goals?
Did Kante not have a trully world class season?

You are spoiling football with your logic o.
To you the best players are only those who score goals

Ibime:
I think there is interest in Batsman from Monaco way so they are leaving him out so he doesn't get injured etc. Batsman only has 2 years on contract so now is the time to sell. Some decisions are more commercial than football.

at this time that we are in need of a reasonable striker. Abraham does not look like what will work. giroud is giroud.

okay, i just pray that las las we should win at least league cup to use get bragging right

thorrvik55:
He is one of Jordy Morris's boys, but Batsman isn't.

hmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abA638Pn2Uo

but wait o, what does Abraham do better than Batshuayi?

wetin bale do zidane?

thorrvik55:

Fabrizio Romano:
Davide Zappacosta to AS Roma, here we go! Agreement reached with Chelsea for a loan until June 2020. He’s going to have medicals on this week.


Another deadwood on his way out. Bakayoko, Alonso, Willian and Pedro get ready, u guys are next...

please remove our number 10 from that list

Ibime:
See your paltry figures even in good season.

If na KDB, na 16 and above in a normal season

i am becoming tired of you o. how many times will i say it. you should be showing us his xA for us to know if they are paltry

Kimbeast:
Nigga the argument was kdb and hazard who is the better player or has more vision/creativity. Using PFA award is useless to the argument before a mad man jumped into my mentions.

about the bold, it must be you that started that argument with someone else.

i am not have that argument with ibime here. ibime don already lose money for this thread because of that argument. i am not sure he will have that kind of argument again, even giving the fact that kdb has never done what hazard did last season in his epl career.

airmark:
Who told you this?

Is lordfalcao running this account? If you have problem with your eyes or brain, they have optician and psychiatrist in Man utd thread.

First you said Lampard never won best epl player award before, now you said i claimed that awards would add to the ability of a player.

If our arguments is beyond your grasp, go and watch telemundo, where sometimes they argue in slow motion.

lwkmd

Kimbeast:
You always make lot of noise with little substance. No wonder you are always ridiculed on this forum. How does winning an award adds to the ability or quality of a player? The fact that aguero a world class striker never won the award and an average dunce like vardy did shows using the award to brag about who is a superior player is stupidity from your part and members of your cult.

please don't call aguero a world class striker again make raumdeuter no deal with you for here

lordfalcao:
considering hazard output in the last 7 seasons, when he was younger he was not scoring much.. he is now 28, the older you go, the more you lose sharpness. Someone like hazard who didn't score much when he was younger and more energetic will not score that amount of goals in 6 season to pass lampard

that is why i said we should wait until he is 34 and see how it will be.

airmark:
Humiliation.



One will think Hazard is older than him by like 7yrs.

abeg no tell me say those people wey wear blue come to play the same game with those wey wear red. then suppose dey go house nah. them don lose already.

Ibime:
What's wrong with you Hazard cultists?

How is that his worst season when it's a normal thing for him?

2016 - 4 assists
2017 - 5 assists
2018 - 4 assists

Stop talking nonsense my friend and avail us of Hazard XA for those seasons if they are fantastic.

you have started again.

of the three seasons you posted,
2016 - disaster season. the worst season of his career. did not even come close to ordinary chelsea player of the season

2017 - one of his best season. was in the pfa team, came second in pfa award

2018 - inconsistent season. could not even make it close to the pfa award nomination

so because he had the same number of assists in these seasons now mean that his performances for those seasons were all the same? please don't put yourself in a tight corner. e go hard to come out o.

how can you just bring assists stats and try to use it as an indicator of how a player performed in a season?

oya,
2013 - 10 assists
2014 - 8 assists
2015 - 9 assists
why did you not use the above for your claim of normal level, since you just want deceive us?

someone has been here since morning telling how number of assist does not prove the creative performance of a player and you are still using the same thing to prove a point that has already been found to be wanting.

if you want to show us hazard normal level, show us his xA in his good seasons

Ibime:
Yet KDB still has double the XA of Hazard

Hazard 6.5XA, KDB 13 XA

Coming back to your original statement that XA is the true test of vision, we still come back to DeBruyne having much more vision than Hazard.

This also reinforces the big chance stats which showed KDB creating double the number of big chances on average


Hazard 2018 season, 4 assists, 6.5 XA
Hazard 2019 season 16 assists, 11.7 XA

Combine both seasons, and we see why assists is a good metric to judge creativity, so we can stop blaming teammates.




Because Hazard last season is an outlier.

Hazard usual XA is 6,6,5 etc while DeBruyne is 12 and above

can you provide facts to back up the bold?

i don't understand you. how can 6.78 be the usual for hazard when it was produced in one of his worst seasons in chelsea? and how can 12.97 be the usual for kdb when it was produced in his best ever season in england?

lordfalcao:
it is not possible.

state your reason

eph12:
You sef shock abi? I can imagine all the belloti and Krywochoke in one team with airmark as coach. Jesus

these man u fans na werey o

airmark:
Before you post, read previous and subsequent posts. Don't always act like a blind man.

as in ehh!!

i even saw drogba somewhere in his post.



nna e, raumdeuter is a bad influence o.

airmark:
I was expecting this, you did well.

all these things are just because someone don't have time for argument. when there is time to argue, you will find out that some of the bogus claims that are made here on daily bases are just what they are, BOGUS CLAIMS that can't be proven

Ibime:
Lampard 13 years includes 2 years before Abramovic and 3 years as a defensive midfielder in old age, so most of his stats is attributable to an 8 year span.

Lampard put together 7 years of hitting 20 goals at least per season except 1 year when he hit 19.

Hazard never hit 20 goals once.

It's not impossible for him to score 17 goals per season till 34, but it's highly improbable given past record. 17 goals per year is a high number for him to hit consistently, talkless of in his old age, yet a low number for Lampard - same as 16 assists is high for Hazard but low for KDB

i have already found some falsehood in your post.


lampard never played dm, he played cm
hazard hit 21 goals last season


hazard went below 17 goals twice in his chelsea career, one in his first season and the other in that disaster season.


what do you mean by "before Abramovic"? did hazard ever have the kind of team lampard had that was able to challenge for ucl multiple times?