MadamExcellency:


Stop misinterpreting the Bible by injecting your confirmatory bias.

The quotation you referred was not a personalized statement of Paul's life. The statement began with "if" from the Bible version you used but on the contrary it's a general question alluding to inescapability of anyone from judgement by justifying oneself.

Let see the Bible reference you quoted from Contemporary English Version (CEV)

Since your lies bring great honor to God by showing how truthful he is, you may ask why God still says you are a sinner. You might as well say, “Let's do something evil, so that something good will come of it!” Some people even claim that we are saying this. But God is fair and will judge them as well. What does all this mean? Does it mean that we Jews are better off than the Gentiles? No, it doesn't! Jews, as well as Gentiles, are ruled by sin, just as I have said.
Romans 3:7‭-‬9 CEV
https://bible.com/bible/392/rom.3.7-9.CEV

You didnt even read my answer. I forgot you guys dont value knowledge of God in islam, just correct rules and regulations.

I will keep my replies short so you can understand it. First of all I used NLT, I mostly have used NLT throughout our conversation and you said CEV, you could not tell, so whatever point you were trying to make forget it. Maybe you should call some of your brothers over, it looks like you need some help.

7 “But,” someone might still argue, “how can God condemn me as a sinner if my dishonesty highlights his truthfulness and brings him more glory?” 8 And some people even slander us by claiming that we say, “The more we sin, the better it is!” Those who say such things deserve to be condemned.

Whoever is indoctrinating you has jam me. I have your time.

Read it in as many versions as you want Romans 3:8 it says the same thing people who say such things deserve to be condemned.

I am going to reply in one place, it looks like you cant keep track of everything.

I don't know what Primary school you went to but pele e. You are grown now do better for the next generation.

Nobody runs away from the old testament, its literally 2/3rds of the bible. ~40 out of ~66 books. Christians don't run away from it, don't deceive yourself.


Are you aware that Islam was brought by war to Nigeria in the 11th century. Okay lets ignore this your own religion that you refuse to confront. If you are not goin to confront it, I will leave you be.

Next, Again if you had the old testament, you literally have incomplete knowledge you would know that God made a convenant with ABRAHAM, a Jew. The only way to include everyone else in that convenant was through Jesus. Hence unless you become a born again Christian and include yourself in the covenant. Fam God's children are talking. Paul was talking to the church in Rome but ALL SCRIPTURE IS FOR BENEFICAL FOR.


Ehn, Ehn now we are entering normal muslim talking points of attacking Paul. You forget that Peter also wrote the new testament, James, Jude, Four witnesses, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John , claiming the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I really don't know why you guys attack only Paul. Lets say you dont agree with Paul, what of the others? They are literally all saying the same thing.

Peter on the blood of Jesus - 1 Peter 1:19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.
Peter was literally the first person to deem that unclean foods had been made clean with his vision when he went to see Cornelius.

I can literally go on forever with other disciples


We went over the trinity already without any mention of Paul's letters please keep track.

It can be hard to let go of something that is a big part of your life, I am experiencing something similar now but God is greater than it all, even our past experiences. And since ultimately our life is to give praise to him, He will keep in perfect peace those who trust in him. Chase God's peace, trust God, he will never let you down, for all Christians all over the world to say GOD had never failed me. God will never fail you. If you have anything for me to pray for you let me know. God will answer.

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Empiree:
I will not accept this excuse from you at all. You know why?. Catholic claims it is part of their inspired Book. But for this sake of this argument I will let you be. However, this was just a tip of iceberg. You will still see lots errors. I'm glad your said the rest are inspired. I hope your not gonna retract this statement of yours by the time I expose more errors. You will be shocked but I will only release info little by little. This is how it gets interesting. I will always keep you in suspense.



you should always quote me in context so that I know what you are referring to.


But your Bible says there is no room for personal interpretation.


"knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation" 2 Peter 1:20



[quotLastly Islam hold very different views about the relationship between human and God. You cannot read the bible with those views, Ko le werk. You have to serve one master.
Have a great night! this is just formula dodge e. We serve only one master, One God

I think these are straight-forward questions any christian can answer. I will give some chance for someone to jump in and add to the conversation. If no one replies you, I can reply later.

P.S. For that verse check the greek or compare with another translation or read in context of the verse. If no one explains it, I will explain that as well.

ThatFairGuy1:

Let's slide pantami issue and talk about this.

Please what Happened to an imam holding a Political position if a pastor could?

We all have to fear God in all what we do

If the Imam has a PhD in mathematics like Pst Adeboye does, why not? Or a law degree with a Maters from London School of Economics like Osibanjo does why not?

Empiree:
https://www.nairaland.com/5737607/christian-association-nigeria-violation-religious

Just seeing this, thanks for sharing. Correction this was one church not CAN. You had the church name there not CAN. Are you misleading people?

Already on the thread people have gone against it. I am sure it is not in circulation anymore

No lives were lost and except you bringing it up, no ideology was spreading.

So I am asking you, what is the way foward?

Empiree:
which picture are you referring to here?. Is this a very tiny attachment?. Is stop, that's why I advised you to visit my profile. You will see full docs there. But it is old docs as old as 26 yrs and somewhat faded but you can still read out. I also helped readers write it out to read for themselves.



oh so you are aware but you pretend you didn't know?. If you know, then you should have seen the link in my profile. It is interesting you said it is "prayer points". I'm glad. So your prayer points called for death and destruction of Muslims in 1994. Is that peaceful message?. I don't know why Abacha didn't deal with your leaders those days and let them for away with it

Except if I dont know how to use Nairaland, I am not seeing anything in your profile.

Why I mentioned they are prayer points if you read what I wrote is to point out to others that you are falsely equating prayer points to fatwa.

The scrap of paper that is there does not have a heading, is cut off at the important parts, I can only see "PRAY FOR" So I am making a comment based on that. I cannot see the whole prayer point, the only one that was complete, is the political force prayer. And I am considering other people will read the comments so I take every opportunity to explain. Just show the whole thing.

Why are you desperate to fight with people based on a piece of paper that is cut-off, has no heading, no one knows who wrote it. Why the desperation, who taught you that? Where did that come from? A piece of paper. In the world where we have courts, a piece of paper.

Empiree:
you see why I didn't want to have words with you until you read everything?. Because right now you are being DEFENSIVE. And you have no idea teachings of Islam either. You only judge it from afar based on your preconceived notion.

Please do go through the threads especially, read your Christian 1994 manifesto to see how "peaceful" CHRISTIANITY is. I wish I can post a video from yesterday Muslim program and hear for yourself your fellow christian violence and threatening messages to Muslim presenter. So far, your judgement is based on media. So I can't blame you that much.

But what I know for sure is you can't tell me anything new about CHRISTIANITY and christians but I am not accusing all Christians.

Speaking of reviewing Muslim curriculum as well, yes there is only one section of Muslims that needs to be checked and other Muslims have been doing that. But your religion extremism is supported by your religious leaders unlike muslims. So please go ahead and read.

Any question?

"But your religion extremism is supported by your religious leaders unlike muslims. " Expert in indoctrination I hail o!!!! We are talking Christian Curriculum and suddenly we have shortcut to religious extremism, reminds me of Trumps "Build the Wall" The shorter the message, the less the logic the more it sticks. It has been really nice engaging with you

One of the reason for the technological development of mankind is details. Did you know Harvard University was first a Christian seminary, along with many others. While there is no consequence of you "stating facts without any flow of thought or evidence" The bible says to ask, to seek, to knock, the bible says Christ already died for you all you need to do is know. That "KNOWING" not repeating, is where the transformation takes place.

I really want to go into as much details as nairaland will allow for the benefit of others. Thank You.

Empiree:
let me make something clear to you. I do not believe in CHRISTIANITY fake "love & peace". You only preach it but do not practice it.

I am honestly not interested in typing much at this moment because I simply lost interest unlike yesterday. Maybe depending on your reply I may be. But let me help you direct you to my conversations with a fellow Christian yesterday if that will help a bit?.


Here we go. In this thread below, kindly scroll a little down until you see where I started contributing and a guy responded to me. You don't need to read all the comments. You can simply read only my chats with the guy by skipping randomly. If you have further questions, God willing I am too answer if I am so wish.

https://www.nairaland.com/6509446/want-isa-pantami-terrorist-watchlist/3

Also, if you can, check my profile and read my first thread titled: Christian Association Of NIGERIA

Obviously you don't believe in love and peace at all.

Okay do you have a version? muslim version of love and peace that you believe in, a version that is consistent to condemn all wrongs and not just fight over the lesser evil. I guess that is what I am asking.

The picture on the thread is so faint and its cut off in all the important parts. Down this road of half-information, please send the link to a website or something that is more detailed. Thank You.

Since the hope of you providing a detailed link are slim, those are prayer points. James 4:2 said " And when you do ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may squander it on your pleasures" God clearly answers prayers aligned with his will, he is unquestionable. We legit don't have a concept of fatwa and you are trying really hard to place this as an equivalent.

I just want to clarify for other people who might be reading this thread as well.

compton11:
but pastor can be vice president right?

This Pastor is a Lawyer from the University of Lagos, gotten his Maters from the London School of Economics which we all agree is academically rigorous to some extent. He has had a whole career in law that is scrutinizable, and not vague in any sense.

Just pointing out.

Empiree:
CHRISTIANITY DESTROYED NIGERIA ECONOMY, SOCIAL FABRIC, PEACE AND UNITY & BROUGHT INSECURITIES IN THE COUNTRY


Still on Pantami....


I really intended this Ramadan to be a quiet one. But these deluded Islamophobic Anti- Pantamist are irritatingly disturbing.
So a document was circulated on twitter yesterday where it was said the minister of information chaired a meeting for Islamisation and declaration of jihad.


First of all, it will take a great deal of stupidity to believe that document is anything close to real. Just read the first few lines. No, the very heading betrays the forgery.


But when you have an army of uncritical, mindless , internet mobs you can sell any stupidity. This document is particularly sinister as it drags even the amiable Sultan of Sokoto, the Jamaatu Nasr Islami into the picture and for good measure it ropes in political wounds : Jonah Jang and Yakowa.


The most annoying thing is this is a country that has seen the worst of divisive rhetoric from Christian leaders , remember Ayo Oritsejafor?. Who threatened violence , severally and well documented , while Boko haram was killing Muslims in the North East. Where were the condemnations?. Or that rabble rousing fanatic, Pastor Bosun Emmanuel, who made a lengthy lecture of how Muslims were to be dealt with not only politically but even at the level of marriage.


I remember him saying no Christians should be allowed to marry Muslims.
Please listen to him again. You'll still find his lecture online. In fact someone sent a document allegedly also written by Christians on how to christianise Nigeria, but I don't do my stuff that way. You've got to have indisputable fact if you're going public with things of this nature. This is what the bigots on the other side lack.


If someone comes to you with this nonsense , question his sanity first, and then ask him if his parents haven't really wasted their money sending him to school where he didn't even get to learn critical thinking. Shikena.




P.s. I fit curse any Muslim who gives an apologetic response to these islamophobes. Tell them to bring it on.


P.s.s for whatever reason I wish Isa Pantami was El Rufai. Really.

©Ustadh Kabir Al Asfar


Attention Federal Republic Of Nigeria: You need to review churches curriculum. Churches are training churchgoers intolerance and insecurities in the country

I have a question to ask you, why cant muslims be the ones spearheading peace efforts in the country. Why cant they be at the forefront of it?

Don't they believe God made everyone on earth and loves them. Maybe I am superimposing the Christian view here. It says, "God makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." " For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?"

It seems the answer is nobody is righteous my sin is not greater than yours - you pulled up Ayo Oritsejafor(P.S. I did a quick search didnt find anything, can you drop a link), don't you have a righteous stance in your book to condemn it all. Please explain