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dragonking3:
[s]Your ancestors didn't just live in Benin kingdom, they later migrated down to the east but still acknowledge their Benin heritage that's why the obi of issele uku went to pay homage to the Oba of Benin. [/s]

TRASH!

U KNOW BETTER, PROVIDE PROVE THEY MIGRATED EAST AND NOT FROM EAST TO WEST.

DRAW A TIMELINE OF THE BENIN KINGDOM AND COMPARE IT TO ARCHAEOLOGICAL FINDING IN THE EAST, U KNOW THE EAST HAD BEEN FAR ADVANCE BEFORE BENIN KINGDOM SURFACED.

IT IS JUST LIKE TODAY, TECHNOLOGICALLY, THE EAST IS FAR AHEAD OF EVERYBODY.

dragonking3:
I have provided several pictures as evidence, you are yet to provide pictures to support your own stance. Even your claim that igbos are from Israel is flawed as you are yet to provide credible evidence

DUDE THOSE PICTURE SHOW EVERYBODY HOLDING SIMILAR ITEMS BUT CAN PROVE WHO WAS HOLDING THEM FIRST.

WHO HELD THEM FIRST IS THE ARGUMENT HERE.

dragonking3:
So why didn't Nnamdi Azikiwe, the greatest igboman that ever lived say all these.

Bro I know you are pained, just accept the truth

LEAVE HEARSAY, THAT IS NOT A CREDIBLE EVIDENCE, PROVIDE PROVE TO SUBSTANTIATE UR CLAIMS.


I HAVE PROVIDED PROVE FROM THE MOMENT I JOINED THIS THREAD, YET U LOT INSIST ON HEARSAY.

NGOZI123, U SAY IGBO CAME FROM WEST BRING PROVE.

ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIG SHOWS IGBO WERE IN THE EAST FIRST.

dragonking3:
More evidences

First picture - Benin Chiefs
Second picture - Obi of Igbodo
Third picture - Obi of Onitcha

Even the dumb and blind can see that the Obi all came from Benin kingdom.

YES BUT THE CLAIM HERE IS THAT THE OBI USED THOSE ITEMS BEFORE THE OBA OF BENIN STOLE IT DURING ONE OF HIS SLAVE RAIDS.


THE THIEVING OBA OF BENIN.

Ngozi123:
It's entirely possible for a people to borrow from another culture, especially if they're living under an Empire. The Oba of Benin was the head of the Benin Empire so it's not surprising to see the other Kings under his rule borrow certain aspects of his clothing style. We've seen this in the British Empire- it's not a new phenomenon. The question should really be why have you changed your argument?

LET US LEAVE FAIRY TALE AND DISCUSS WITH EVIDENCE HERE.

DONT JUST SAY THINGS BRING PROVE.

dragonking3:
More proof. CC ngozi123 hammert

Pictures of Anioma monarchs,

Obi of Ubulu Uku (Aniocha)
Obi Of Agbor.
Pere of Isaba

They are all wearing the Red and White of Benin culture, the Bini Beads and carrying or having a symbol of the Benin Staff of Office.

WHO TOLD U THOSE ITEMS BELONG TO BENIN?

DO U HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE NOT IN USE FIRST BY THE OBI'S?

BENIN DONT HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THOSE ITEMS. NOTHING INDICATES THAT THEY WERE NOT IN USE BY THE OBI'S BEFORE THE OBA.

BESIDES THE MATERIAL MIGHT LOOK SIMILAR FROM A PARTICULAR AGE BUT THE DESIGNS ARE DIFFERENT.

THE DISTICTIONS ARE VERY CLEAR. THE RED CAP IS A SYMBOLISM OF IGBO HERITAGE AND THE PEOPLE OF ISSELE UKU WORE THEM PROUDLY.

Y DONT BENIN PEOPLE WEAR RED CAP?

DUDE! LIKE I SAID, U ARE PAINED.

A SIMPLE ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIG WILL SHOW WHICH AREA WAS FIRST INHABITED.

ALREADY ALL EVIDENCE FROM BRONZE WORK FOUND IN THE EAST INDICATE THE EAST WAS FIRST INHABITED.

WE DONT BELIEVE FAIRY TALE BUT FOLLOW THINGS SCIENTIFICALLY.

THIS IS THE INFORMATION AGE, NOT THE MISINFORMATION AGE.

BornStunner1:
HAHAHAHA STOP DRAGING IGBOS INTO THE MUD

STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF

AND WHERE DID THEY WRITE ASK PERMISSION AS U PUT IT?

dragonking3:
Like I have previously said, they don't need to have Benin names because several other tribes were under the Benin kingdom. .Just like the urhobo, itsekiri, ijaw, isoko and same with igbos. Till today we still have the old ikas living in Benin City. They still have Igbo names don't they? but that doesn't change the fact that some of them left and migrated to delta, anambra imo etc.

CAN U STOP MENTIONING ANAMBRA AND IMO? U ARE NOT MAKING SENSE AT ALL.


THE MIGRATION WAS THE OTHER WAY ROUND. THERE IS EVIDENCE AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL EXCAVATION THAT SHOW THE EAST HAD BEEN EARLIER INHABITED. I.E. BRONZE WORKK FOUND AND POTTERY.


U SOUND LIKE A MO.RON!

dragonking3:
So it was fashion that took the obi to the oba Palace to seek permission before he can be crowned obi right? This Benin man funny

HE IS A YOUNG MAN THAT PROBABLY WENT TO INVITE THE OBA TO HIS CORRELATION, U ARE SO DAFT. OMG!


WHO KNOWS WEN THE PICTURE WAS TAKE AND THE OCCASSION? U JUST POST A PICTURE WITH A CAPTION. WE MIGHT AS WELL CALL IT A MEME.

THE FACT THAT THE OBI OF ISSELE UKU DRESSED SIMILAR TO OBA DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE BENIN OR FROM BENIN. THE DRESSING IS COMMON AMONGST ROYALS IN THE 15TH CENTURY.


IT WAS CONSIDERED EXPENSIVE BEFITTING FOR A KING, AS THE MATERIAL WAS NOT CHEAP

BornStunner1:
OOH I FORGOT KANO STATE GOVRRNOR ABDULAHHI GANDUJE AND KWANKASO ARE ALSO IGBO

U JUST SHOT URSELF ON THE FOOT, THAT WAS A TRAP.


THE SAME POINT APPLY TO THE QUESTION THAT U ASKED. FASHION IS FASHION AND DEY BELONG TO A PARTICULAR AGE.


NOBODY HAS OWNERSHIP OR CLAIM OF THEM. U ANSWERED UR OWN QUESTION.

IF WE DID NOT KNOW HIS FATHER DRESS CODE, TOMMORROW NOW WE WILL BE ARGUING THAT IGBO DISCOVERED RED CAP FROM BENIN.

dragonking3:
So why is your Obi, the number one Igbo man dressing like the Oba of Benin? Why didn't he dress like an Israeli since you guys came from Israel.

ASK URSELF WHY THE NEW OBA OF BENIN HAS STARTED TO WEAR RED CAP LIKE THE OBI OF ONITSHA AND IGBO CHIEF?

BornStunner1:
PAINED?

AHH I CAN NEVER BE PAINED!!

BECAUSE I CONSIDER THE OBI A BONAFIDE BENIN MAN LIKE MY SELF!!

AS A MATTER OF FACT I AM HAPPY!!

MORE AND MORE IGBOS ARE TRACING THIER ROOTS BACK HOME!!

WAT IS HIS BENIN NAME?

WAT U CONSIDER DOES NOT MAKE IT A FACT.

ACTUALLY MORE AND MORE BENIN ARE SPEAKING IGBO LANGUAGE.

WE ARE HAPPY TO ACCEPT UR FULL CONVERSION TO IGBO.

CAN THE OBI GIVE UP HIS IGBO ROOTS IN NRI, I DONT THINK SO.

GO AND SEE THE OMENALA APPLIED DURING HIS CORRELATION AND ALL THE RED CAP CHIEF.

dragonking3:
You also don't look like isreali yet you believe that you are Jews from Israel. This Benin man you funny die.

YES WE ARE FROM ISREAL. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. WE ARRIVED OUR PRESENT LOCATION FROM THE EAST AND CROSSED INTO PRESENT DAY ANIOMA AND SETTLED TOO.

THE BENIN SLAVE RAIDERS FOR A BRIEF MOMENT HELD CERTAIN COMMUNITY TO RANSOM DURING THE TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE BUT WERE SOON REPEALED.

IF THOSE COMMUNITIES THINK THAT MEANS BEING UNDER BENIN RULE OR ORIGINATING FROM BENIN, I PUT IT DOWN TO LACK OF PROPER EDUCATION.

BornStunner1:






IF THIER OBI CAN TESTIFY HIS BENIN BLOOD WHO IS DAT RIFF RAT RUNNING NAKED ON THIS THREAD?

EVER SINCE THAT GUY BECAME OBI, U HAVE BEEN PAINED, BUT Y? U WANT OBA TO RULE THEM FROM BENIN?

U DID NOT EVEN GO FOR SMALLER LESS COMPLEX GROUPS, IT IS THE ANIOMA THAT HAVE DEFEATED BENIN SLAVE RAIDERS IN A WAR.

U ARE A JOKE.

dragonking3:
Typical. Now you are trying to shift the argument to Yoruba and Benin since you can't defend and lie anymore. But seriously why can't you guys just leave the yorubas out of it and face your own battles.

Sorry to say but Igbos are never from BENIN. We dont look like them, talk like them, eat like them or believe the samething as them.

We are completely different and that is evident. I have explained my position on Anioma igbo and how they got there.

I will not repeat myself further on that becos it is pointless. Igbo and Benin dont relate as such.

Benin are Portugese and British slave raiders that were defeated by the Anioma igbo in the Benin/Anioma War. They were further defeated by the British and relegated to the realm of Oduduwa Kingdom where dey belong.

dragonking3:
The truth is bitter. You be Benin man.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201602100367.html




U know the truth?


This is the last arguement between Ooni of Ife and Oba of Benin.


It highlights alot of things. It shows the level of confusion that exist between the yorubas and benin.

Nigeria: Benin Kingdom in Edo Is Yoruba Territory - Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi

The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi, on Tuesday said Benin Kingdom in Edo State remained part of the expansive Yoruba race, a pronouncement that may spark fresh rivalry and altercation between people of the two ancient kingdoms.

The monarch made the comment in reaction to a statement credited to the palace of the Oba of Benin challenging the claim by the Alake of Egbaland, Adedotun Gbadebo, that the Ooni of Ife remained the pre-eminent spiritual leader in Yorubaland and environs.

Oba Ogunwusi, via a statement by his Director of Media and Public Affairs, Moses Olafare, made available to PREMIUM TIMES, said he was not interested in any supremacy battle with anyone but that he would continue to put the records straight and avoid distortion of history from any quarters.

The monarch said going by historical evidence detailing the Oduduwa lineage, Benin Kingdom remained part and parcel of Oduduwa House.

"We in Oduduwa land have always seen and regarded our people in Benin kingdom as part and parcel of Oduduwa House. They are our brothers and sisters, coupled with historical facts to back up this position," Ooni Ogunwusi said.

"The statement credited to the Alake of Egbaland, did not emanate from us but the reality is that as a highly experienced and well informed monarch, Kabiyesi Alake, who is a bonafide Oodua descendant is entitled to his opinion based on his knowledge and understanding of history," the Ooni said.

"Let me emphasize for the umpteenth time that Kabiyesi Ooni is less concerned over any supremacy hullabaloo. He is only interest for now in how the sacred throne of Oduduwa can explore measures through which the collective interest and genuine unity among Yoruba and other tribes within the larger House of Oduduwa can be enhanced.

"This informed his resolve to build bridges of harmony among Yourba Obas. I am resolutely committed to how Yoruba ethnic group can restore its glory and pride of position among other ethnic inclinations in Nigeria and don't want to be dragged into supremacy contest or join issues with anybody."

The traditional ruler said he recalled that about six years ago, attempt was made by some people to upturn history during the launch of a book titled: I REMAIN SIR, YOUR OBEDIENT SERVANT, which he said stood historical facts on its head.

Oba Ogunwusi stated that If the position espoused by the Oba of Benin Palace in the media "is aimed at distancing our people in Benin from the South West and Yoruba, so be it."

He however added, "We still identify with them as our kinsmen, regardless of the attempt to change the course of history."

The Alake had, while hosting the Oba Ogunwusi in his palace on February 7, rated the Ooni as the number one monarch in Yorubaland and other territories considered part of the Oduduwa House.

In his rating, Oba Gbadebo said Oba Ogunwusi was number one of the five principal Obas in Yorubaland, followed by the Alaafin of Oyo, then by the Oba of Benin (in third position), the Alake of Egbaland (fourth) and the Awujale of Ijebuland (fifth).

But in a swift reaction on Tuesday, the Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom, David Edebiri, rejected the ranking, saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race.

The Esogban said, "We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba.

"There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. [/b]It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.

[b]"We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial.

"For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.

"That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin.

"So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings.

"Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don't know, they should send people here; we will teach them.

"We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin.

"The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification.

"The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don't. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation."

dragonking3:
Bros am sorry but this your assertion is silly. The urhobo, isoko, ijaw, itsekiri and all other tribes in delta don't speak Benin language but they deny the fact that they all came from Benin kingdom. The evidence is there, same way the evidence that igbos came out from the Benin kingdom. The Benin empire was vast with different people speaking different languages but they were all under the Benin kingdom. It was as a result of war that made several people to migrate from Benin down to delta State, down to anambra etc.

Ur very stupid? If i fit see u now ehn, na chair i go carry throw -way 4 ur head. Idiot!

One thing that gives me joy is the simple fact that Onitsha and Asaba speak heavy igbo.

Is their any amount of Benin history manipulation that will cause them to start speaking Benin? I think not, hence the devil fights in vain.

The second aspect is their culture, it is fully igbo, they observe the Odinani. These cultural beliefs and religious practices, were gained from the Nri Kingdom. U cannot be igbo without following them and they still do till this day.

Wen they drop all this and their igbo names then Bornstunner would have made gains rather than just ranting and deceiving some people.


Beco u deceive some dont think all are deceived.


Even in Anioma there, ur theory will be thrown out, just as the Benin slave raiders were defeated and thrown out during the Anioma and Benin War.


Ndi Anambra will never entertain ur Benin ideas and any Obi that dares us will die. I dont mind losing my life to kill that person.

BornStunner1:
NOW LOOK AT THIS MAP YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE OF BENIN FROM ONITSHA!!

NOW THINK ABOUT THE DISTANCE IT TOOK FOR COLOMBUS TO DISCOVER THE AMERICAS OR FOR THE FULANIS TO COME DOWN FROM NORTH SAHARA TUNISIA DOWN TO NIGERIA AND COLONISE THE HAUSAS WITH NO WEAPONS APART FROM THIER COWS.....

TALKLESS OF THE BENIN EMPIRE WAS WELL VAST IN TECHNOLOGY AND WAS AT FULL STRENGHT

EVEN THE BIGHT OF BENIN BESIDE THE ATLANTIC OCEAN WAS NAMED AFTER THE BENIN EMPIRE!! THATS HOW FAR THE INFLUENCE OF THE BENIN EMPIRE WENT!!

YOU ARE THERE LETTING AN IGNORANT FELLOW CONFUSE YOU SMH!!

So the eastern parts is a desert in ur map abi? Ur stupidity is just wow.

Y did u cut that part out, to focus on Benin and Onitsha? Yet the distance is evidently clear. Wat did dey conduct their travel with? Car or Train?

Let us face it, Onitsha is as much Benin, as Ile Ife is Benin.

U people and ur fairy tales never ceases to amaze me.

One minute Benin Prince is wondering to Ife in Osun, the next minute Osun prince is wondering to Benin or is it Oyo(Ibadan) prince. I have added a map for the distance and reality of that journey to be clear.

Then Benin is wondering to Onitsha. Benin just got up from their location and started speaking igbo and crossing rivers to Onitsha.

While walking from Benin to Onitsha did dey carry their boats on their head to cross the River?

Or may be life started in West Africa? Then migrated to South Africa?

Common sense is not common.

lol Benin is now closer to Onitsha than Awka.


I dont know wen people will start to use their brain.

River Niger now is beans?

So Benin cross river Niger after walking distance to settle. wat happened to people in Awka?(Nri) omg!

People that experienced the Benin Empire and Aro Empire will tell u they owned the whole surrounding areas and were powerful but that is all the white man strength becos wen the white man want to go directly to these communities, that was the end we heard of Benin and Aro.


Go and read up on them.

This is the future for Igbo land, we will remove all the igbo girls and replace them with Sudan, Kenya and Uganda dark skinned.

Our kids and women will be the darkest and these guys will leave us alone. Biafra is a card and this is also a card.

Benin Kingdom only became powerful after arrival of the Colonialist and their slave raids were not limited to Ika Igbos but also yorubas in Ondo and all the neighbouring tribes.

This event is also similar to that of the Aro, Oyo and Asanti Empire.

Let us leave folk tales and conduct research and write based on works of authority and evidence.

Ngozi123:
Nice alternative theory. I'll look into it.

Ur theory is wrong and u know it, unless ur implying usage of witchcraft, their is no way wat u explained is possible.

Ngozi123:
No. From the little I know, the Benin Kingdom ruled over many different ethnic groups, including some Igbo groups. These Igbo groups migrated eastwards to areas in what is now known as Delta and Anambra State- maybe Rivers State too but I'm not sure on that one. I don't believe that the Igbos have always dwelled in their present locations.

I don't have much proof outside of oral traditions as I haven't actually done much research on the topic- I don't like to pretend that I'm well versed in something when I'm not.

Btw, what do you mean by "Benin people"- are you referring to the people who lived under the Benin Empire or just the Edoid people?

Ur theory is wrong.

U need to put a timeline on the Benin Kingdom, it is not that old. It is rather very recent.

Secondly, is it easier for ur ancestors to cross river Niger to Anambra or walk from Akwa to Anambra?

Do u know how big the River Niger is?

Thirdly, do u know the location of Benin? Google map is ur friend.(Ondo state border to Anambra is a very long distance)

It is impossible for Benin to administrate all those groups from that location. If i may ask wat was their mode of transportation?

Fourthly, ur claims indicate that igbo existed in the west as opposed to the east, in otherwords Nri never existed.

The fact that a few people in ur village have bini sounding name is not evidence of Benin rule.

There are rather simple explanation like migration of those individuals and marriage, as u have Benin people with igbo names like Okoro. etc

This is wat igbo men should do. It will go a long way to remove alot of our problems.

This igbo pastor in kenya married a kenya woman that is very dark.

We should all abandon igbo women 4 yorubas and co.

Let us marry from kenya, sudan and uganda, make sure the women are very dark, then they will leave us alone.