iamgenius:
They only do that to put doubt in your heart about d existence of God. U know when you read their points to a stage, you won't even understand again. Before you know, you will be doubting whether there is even God. My advice: stay away from their threads. they were misguided by satan.

Nobody makes any complex statement to put doubt in your dumb brain. Its just because your brain is not yet developed to operate at much higher comprehensive level!
How can you possible comprehend when you go about believing that snakes and donkeys talk!

Jhaytee4all:



please rephrase your question to "please, are all atheists ignorant?"

they are truly ignorant, yet finding words to verify their belief. they are such conedians..... no no no... I mean they are clowns. They should really be derided for their loss.

serious, they dnt knw what they are missing. For me to say there ain't God I must really be in my wildest dream.

They fóol who believes that donkeys talk is calling someone an ignorant person for not believing same!

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I think his point is that you brought a value judgment into the matter of creation by asking whether it would be 'better' to not have been born/created.

He then asked you what is the value of existence/non-existence to a miscarried baby. The value of existence is only relevant to an existing sentient being.

Thumbs up!!

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@OP,are u nuts?
Is this how you review a song? List the song name and tell us who was featured on it and the producer?
E be like say your head dey pain you.

frank317:

What would you have lost if you have never been created?
Babies who die through miscarriage, what do u think they lost?

Nothing!

EnigmaticEnigma:


I won't claim to have all the answers, as much as I have experiences with Jesus. Such experiences have led me to believe, even without having all the answers.

However, someone on this thread already said that we were made in the image of God. So I believe as we have emotions and feelings, so also does our creator have these feelings as well.

Sometimes, making the right choice can lead to a feeling of regret at the foreseeable outcome, even though, it was the right choice.

It's like helping a proud friend get a Job, you know that when he gets the Job, his pride might lead him to dissolve your friendship, being that he will now have money to go along with his pride, but you do it anyway, because helping a friend is the right thing to do.

When in the future, you see your prediction come to pass, you may have a feeling of regret, like look at this guy, if only I didn't even get this dude a job, now he's feeling like his the shhhh. However, if you could go back in time, hopefully you'd still make the same choice, cause it is the right thing to do.

Please check the meaning of Omniscient and All knowing then compare it with your answer above!

shadeyinka:

Will you allow your son to join the Army?

You can keep running around instead of answering a simple question. Its none of my business.
They say to know the truth,you have to answer truthful questions truthfully!

EnigmaticEnigma:
Hanabian, so would it have been better if we were never created

Or, created without free will

Freewill or no freewill, the main message here is that the God who created the Universe could not have been the biblical God because the biblical God is full of self contradictions.
People should live their life without thinking they are offending some made up God who exhibits every known characteristics of humans.
A God who is All-Knowing is not supposed to "regret".

shadeyinka:


You said:
I have one question for you.
Will you knowingly put a cocked gun near your child to play with?

Did God ask Adam to Play with the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Answer the question bro.
The question I asked you has nothing to do with God.

Challspace:


You just don't get it do you. In your illustration, your father is not the creator, neither is he omniscience. Hence, he doesn't know whether you'll over-speed with your Porsche, he can only hope.
On the other-hand, god is presumably Omniscience, omnipresence and every other omni you can ascribe to him. Hence, prior to creation, he foresaw that man would eat the fruit from that tree and still went ahead to plant it in the garden. Later he turns around to punish us?!
Bullocks!!

I don't know why this simple thing is hard for them to comprehend.
Maybe they just hear omnipotent and omniscient and have never bothered to check its meaning.

shadeyinka:


Just a confirmation of how you reason with 3% of available information.

SMH

I hate name calling or referring to the illogical use of the brain,so don't descend into that arena.
However, if you can allow something bad to happen to your child when you could have prevented it,then Goodluck to you.

shadeyinka:

That question is illogical. Chrisav had answered you perfectly.
Don't gloss over his words about CHOICE and EFFECT

Exactly what made the question illogical?

chrisav:

whatever we fail to understand we oppose. Free will is the ability to choose between different courses of action.
Don't get it twisted, every CAUSE has an EFFECT.
if you decided to jump from a storey building today God will not stop you because u have free will but trust me the consequence that follows u must suffer.
somebody rightly puts it. " I can guarantee u freedom of speech but what I can't guarantee u is freedom after speech"
regards

I have one question for you.
Will you knowingly put a cocked gun near your child to play with?

shadeyinka:


God knew they would fail ...but God also knows that within the failure, there will come out the cream of His creation. From the Pains and Tribulations caused by sin, and out of death comes life.

The creators/inventors of the Aeroplane knew that thousands will die from plane crash BUT the joy of Fast Long distant travels and improvements in aviation technology is worth the price.

We take injections even when we know that it would be painful. Ladies get pregnant even when the pains of child delivery is almost unbearable.

@bolded,That's the most important answer in your post and the only relevant one here.
Nothing more to say.

Jhaytee4all:


But how many people are slumbering but you alone?.

Me: what can we do to save a lost soul?

My shadow: just quote her a bible verse jawe.


Mathhew7:3-6;
3.
Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?
4
How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?
5
You hypocrite,* remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.


So my dear OP... You need to consider your own self before considering others.

Don't confuse others when you are not yet convinced


Thanks.

Sorry,I don't understand you.
Can you relate your post to the OP?

matrix600:
If God created man, it is impossible for man to manifest a trait or quality that God did not put in him. So why blame man.

Exactly the point.
The Genesis passage says, Let us make man in our own image...

shadeyinka:


I don't think so dear. What if I broke into Gtbank vault only to pass a weekend there? What if my association with Armed robbers is that I give them protection?
In both examples I hurt no one. Actually in the second case, I am performing a "humanitarian" action by protecting some human beings.



It isn't about fruit. The fruit is just a symbol for the real implication or let's say the key to activate a certain process.

The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil represents a choice to become totally INDEPENDENT of God (Why? You know Everything). The Tree of Life represents a SEAL of state (It seals your decision for eternity).

Death: Means Disconnection

God planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and He gave an instruction to Adam not to Eat else he would die (be disconnected from Him).

Of course, Independence is attractive. You give no account to anyone and you will be like God etc but it has consequences. If you had created yourself, there would have been no problem. But the problem is that God created you for His own enjoyment.

God created Free beings who will Love and Serve Him freely and willingly. The Trees are symbols for Examination for Gods selection.

If a man chooses NOT to be subject to God, what do you think God should do about it?

I will summarize your opinion with one question. Did God know that Adam will do what he did or did he not know?

iSpirit1:
@Hanabian

Tell us the Bible verse that supports you on "God knew they were going to sin even before He created them"

-Same way in Jer 1:5
-Same way he preordained the coming of Jesus
-Same way he preordained all the droughts in the bible.
-Same way he always knew Israel will go on exile.

iSpirit1:
You think God created sin? Ehya, no wonder the misconceptions.

God did NOT creat sin.

Genesis 1:31 "and God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD. . ."

Sin originated from misusage of FREEWILL. A freewill being chose evil over good. That is how sin originated. God didn't create it.

"life and death I set before you this day. . .but I counsel you to choose LIFE"

Good - Evil, Life - Death, Righteousness - Unrighteousness, Holy - Unholy etc are opposite to each other.

It's either you're doing the one or the other. There's no option in-between.

I thought you were hinting on not forgetting the actual genesis of sin?
Who tempted Adam añd Eve?
Did God know or not know the temptation will occur?
Who created the person that tempted Adam and Eve?
Did God not know how treacherous the person that tempted Adam and Eve is?
Did God do anything about it?
Now,when answering the above questions, bear in mind that God is "all knowing and Omniscient (everywhere)".

shadeyinka:


Its obvious your understanding is little.

In Nigeria's constitution, there is a fundermental right that we all have.
1. Freedom of Speech/Expression
2. Freedom of Association
3. Freedom of Movement etc

Now, are you protected by the law when you
i. Associate with Armed Robbers?
ii. Attempt to move yourself into GTBanks vault?

Freewill and free choice just as your fundermental rights exist with CONSEQUENCES.

The difference between your illustrations and the biblical one is that the ones in your examples is calculated to hurt another. God or no God,every person senses hurt.
However, how does eating a fruit amount to an eternity of punishment for a child?

Ngo40:



Brother,
I absolutely grasp the crux of the matter. But since you have chosen to close your mind to....God's plan of salvation (in light of sin)....then it becomes impossible for us to agree.
You don't believe in God.....or the Bible....i take it.
You don't possess faith....or desire to pray for understanding on the things that can clearly be understood....so that leaves nothing but confusion.
Every question cannot be answered through a "finite" mind. One can't know all of the reasons "why" the tree was there or why death occurs to innocent folks...except for sin.
Pharoah hardened his own heart through repeated disbelief (so God allowed it- )...sometimes you have to go past a surface level understanding of a scripture passage.
My apologies for not having used the scriptures....i knew some of the scriptures you were speaking about, but others may have not.
Next time....they will be added.
Now....I think I will end this discussion...cause I don't do long debates over the Word. If you are sincerely searching for truth, then I do want you to get an understanding through the Holy Spirit one day

In law,what you just did is called resorting to the usual default "omnibus clause".
In this case,you have decided to resort to the usual default " led by the Holy spirit" talk!
Not to disrespect, but that's a lame proposition dear.It just shows you don't even understand and you can't explain what you don't understand!!

Ngo40:


Ok....but see that's where the issue lies.
The only thing pre-ordained about a human is 1.) the sex, 2.) the race, ethnicity, and 3.) the family born into.
On your example, the child was given money....while the two "types" of toys he could choose from were chosen....he still was allowed to choose "1" of them. No one said that he must choose X-box or Sega.
I totally get what you're saying, but it isn't always wise to try to use a secular illustration to explain something spiritual (although sometimes it works).
Cause see you've forgotten about the role that sin has played in the plan of Salvation.

On the subject of being predestination, just because God knows the future and what people will choose, doesn't mean that He has taken away their "right" to do so.

He has called "all" to salvation....but "all" will not choose Him.
He knows who will choose Him or not.
All have the choice....the freedom to decide if they want Him.

Sister,your reply shows that you are not grasping the crux of the matter.
At first bolded, who created sin in the first instance? Did man create sin or did sin magically appear from thin air? After answering that,now ask yourself why did God allow Adam and Eve to sin(as we are told) when they didn't know their left from their right?And yet use same to punish people who had no knowledge of the sin in the first place.
Now, a bit background. Remember that Adam and Eve were made(bible) not given birth to,so in all ramifications, it is totally safe to say they never knew what they were doing,they were children.Now God is all knowing, he has known that Adam and Eve were going to sin before they even did it(omniscient). But did he do anything about it? As someone who sees into the future,he would have seen all the possible ways to scenario would have gone right? But did he do anything about it?
Another fundamental question is,why even put the tree there in the first place? Prevention they say is better than cure right? Will you as a person allow something to happen to your child when you have every resources within your reach to protect him from harm? I could continue to ask on and on and on,but at the end,looking at all what I said objectively solely rests on you!

@second bolded,the argument is that he preordained them to act that way,not just knowing what they will choose! Look at the OP and Jer 1:5.

@third bolded,Do all really have the choice in light with the facts stated above? Did Jeremiah, Pharaoh,all the innocent Egyptian kids have a say too in the matter?

geoworldedu:

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I would love to see it done here too!!

Ngo40:
So brother,
Are you saying that with "choices" should come no consequences?
Or are you saying that any "choice" that one makes should only have a positive outcome?
Even if a negative consequence results from having "freewill", shouldn't one have an opportunity to make the choice?

Sister,
I am saying you should look at the instances I gave and see if those people actually had a choice or were preordained to do the acts they did.
Now,if they were preordained to do the act,where then does the human freewill exist?

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My brother,my mind will not let me rest o.I have been trying to keep it to myself, but my mind won't allow me!

jonbellion:
Everything is predestined in Christianity na
If I decide to rob Fort Knox today and have a threeway with bennyann and pidgin2 it wasn't my fault na . Yahweh know I would do it . It was predestined
I'd just walk myself to the court like "bitch I did that"

Lol.You are funny!