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Beer palour man, now i know u don't know jack about footie. Please try taking off your chelsea tinted glasses when analyzing football issues.

1025: abeg is anybody aware of which position that arsenal new boy is playing in germany vs italy? i hear say the boy dey hot. please update me.

is it true that arsenal wants to buy pirlo?

Abeg carry your beer palour gist go chelsea thread.

1025:

@sholexyz,
can u imagine? u are here again to compare mikel with song? funny enough, only nigerians value song because camerounians beat him up last 3 weeks for his useless style that made them loose to libya.
when u want to judge a DM (mikel and song) u don't judge them by their secondary assignments which is goals and attacks rather they are judged by their primary assignments which is breaking down attacks and shielding the back 4 in other words, how many goals they conceed not how many goals they scored. song/arsenal man u - 8-2. milan-arsenal? you want to compare the man u resisted the almighty barca and buyern? an active machine in the historical chelsea ucl. abegi, if song is what nigerians think, clubs for don dey make moves because the academy(arsenal) is ever ready to cash in. is the keita u mentioned or comparing with drogba playing in similar position? if yes, then he is better but if no, go get other ppl for the purpose.
are u telling that two players in the same league and same position for their various clubs one has 7 medals and the other has none. one is earning higher wages while the other is taking home pea nuts. uncle, please what makes a player good and better? who will be talking about kanu till now if he has nothing to show for his carrier? fabregas knew he was at the wrong place and could have left like two seasons before wenger accepted. do u think chelsea is not seeing song or do u think chelsea cannot afford him?

You are talking absolute rubbish.

1025: apart from ur refusal to win trophies, ur club has refused to pay up like other clubs citing salary structure and policy as reasons. if una no wan win trophy, make una pay the guy a lot of money stay.
who and who in arsenal squad do u think the two new players are better than?
if wenger refuses to let van persie leave this season, he will loose 15 million and above so i don't want to believe wenger can afford that especially when he has spent 26 million pounds on players already.

If van persie wants to leave let him leave abeg.No one player is bigger than the club. Arsenal exited before van persie and will continue to exist after he has left one player cannot hold the club to ransome

samuelee1:

PSG finished 2nd in d french league. A few years ago, dey wouldnt hav dreamt of even finishing 4th, and mind u d league was won on d last matchday, so dey could hav won it.

I don't care if the league was won on the first, third or last day the fact remains PSG did not win it with all their money period. Since PSG spent so much money should't they have had the french title wrapped up with like 10 games to spare because in your opinion they spent a lot more on players than Montpelier.

samuelee1:

Ok, blackburn & leeds may av bin relegated, bt dia history certainly isnt, dats wat archives are 4. Dey relegated because dey were mismanaged, and mismanagement can hapn 2 any club, includn ur belovd arsenal. Wat i'm sayin is dat 2 win big trophies in modern futbol, u nid 2 spend, u tel me a club dats wining big trophies dat dint invest in players by spending. See barca 4 example, dey've bin dominating 4 quite a while now, bt it dint cum easy, dey spent big moni on players, r.madrid spent lyk £200m in buyin CR7, kaka & benzema, and dey're now reaping dia benefits. Take mancity as anoda example, 4rm a midtable club, dey started spendin big, buyin d lyks of tevez, silva, aguero, y.toure...and c dem now, dey won d FA Cup and league in 2yrs. C d lyks of nasri, clichy, flamini, fabregas and adebayor who left arsenal after growin tired of being trophyless, goin 2 clubs dat spend big, dey are nw wining trophies 4 fun. D examples can go on and on, im sure u get my point. Arsenal are a great club, dy play gud futbol, bt dy jst av 2 spend 2 start wining trophies again. I stand 2 b corrected.

PSG spent a lot of money and did not win ligue 1 title but montpelier won it instead now how did that happen.

1025:

arsenal fans will tell u that they are building a stadium and they bought podolski and giroud. if podolski is good with his 1000 caps, buyern and other german teams for don take am since. if he wants to play in epl, man u, man city and will show interest. before going for podolski, ur club did not see hulk? una no sabi cavani abi ur jersey no go fit ibrahimovic? coaches are judged by trophies not the number of stadium they built. why are we giving wenger the credit of stadium self? in arsenal, there boards of directors and positions like chairman and presidents so what happened to all these offices if wenger as a coach is responsible for stadium or are there things u guys are not telling us?

Abeg forget hulk, if hulk is such a world class player like u claim why is it only chelsea showing interest in signing him, why are baca, madrid, man u not all struggling with chelsea to sign him. Please stop making noise with your beer palour analysis.

Azubreezy: wat arrant person u are. u lot (arsenal) need to grow up

Bleep OFF

Azubreezy: See ur lyf? U r busy accusing odas of a sin u r guilty of. u r d one hating chelsea. Kip cryin wolf and hatin, while chelsea is pickin trophies almost every season. u'l neva win untill u stop hating n mind u, d folks u r hatin are d current champions of Europe. We r chelsea, we dnt mind winnining ugly. we play beta wen written off. we dnt hate. we play, and we BELIEVE! Go screw ur self, bonafide camel fucker of a poster!

Bleep U

hardeyincah: Do u agree with me that Nigeria will win d world cup (that comes up four four years) before arsenal can win d Champions league (that comes up yearly)

Whatever dude, u are entitled to your opinion.

Niiade: Oga OP. no disrespect but i heard you said arsenal built a stadium,
two questions
The one used by other clubs are they borrowed or stolen?
Lastly why is it called EMIRATES ehn?
please read up on the emirate deal dont make me choke.
Anything can happen in football but really those days of fluke and slave trade is over na. EYES ARE OPEN OPENER OPENEST.

If it is not arsenal that built the stadium who built it then? I hope u are not trying to say that emirates airline built the stadium for arsenal they are only in a sponsorship deal with arsenal soon u will say that etihad air built the city of manchester stadium.

1025:

@harryobas,
another name for 5-3 is 2-0 but it is on record that the worst lost arsenal had on their home ground was by chelsea and it happened in 1998 when chelsea won 5-0.
chelsea and arsenal are no longer in any competition at the moment. in their 126 years, they have made champions league finals just once and win non while chelsea have made it twice to finals and won 1.

Since arsenal is so inferior to chelsea in your opinion u should be expecting chelsea to beat arsenal like 7-0 this coming season since chelsea has all the quality players and arsenal have none becos their players don't command astronomical price tags.

1025:

@ballabriggs,
how many caps owen has for england? what about kanu? where is wenger buying podolski from? the national team or the relegated club? arsenal fans lack reasons for celebration that is why they celebrate any news they hear. right from time, wenger will always sign and that is not the problem. wenger no sign sylvestre from man u? how many caps? sol campbell whom u discharged came back after many years, was it because of his national team caps? something in me is saying ur club will soon buy okocha because he has 400 caps. continue saluting ur club just like me wey dey salute my chelsea for winning ucl for recession.
we talk too much of the two players coming over-looking about 7 players leaving. wenger wanted to add a brazilian to his team, who did he buy? denilson. wenger shld go for modric, bale, karl walker, adebaba,adam johnson, tevez, balloteli, cassano, ozil, iniester, alonso, dzeko. na teams dey buy these guys. look at my club chelsea, we dey ramires,luiz, ivanovic,drogba, hazard, marin, mikel and we also want hulk if porto are ready to do business. we want falcao. tell me why we no go win something. na sagna wan win trophy give una abi djourou. if u see chamverline for euro 2012, shame go catch u.
what is all these? find below what arsenal website has to say about chamakh;

Arsène Wenger’s admiration for Marouane Chamakh was an open secret throughout the latter months of the 2009/10 season.

The Arsenal manager finally got his man at the end of May 2010 and, in the first half of Marouane's debut season, we found out what the fuss was all about as he made his mark on the Premier League.

At Bordeaux, the Moroccan international built a reputation as a strong-running, intelligent centre forward. His contribution helped them to the French title and the latter stages of the Champions League.

His willing work-rate endeared him to the Arsenal supporters in the embryonic stages of his North London career. So did the goals. Expect him to reach a new level in his second season.[i][/i]

where is he now?



@geo007,
u are not the only man u fan that likes arsenal. i have seen a lot but the question is, why won't u all like arsenal since they turn to any direction u want them. u turn and chop them like woman on ur bed. u must like them because they make things easy for una. 8-2 and fergie will congratulate wenger because he did not stand up for once as the game lasted. if u no like arsenal, na chelsea u go like abi na man city wey scatter una like ice cream? make u dey like them abeg. me i no go dey for team wey u go like.

So because chelsea want to buy hulk for 100 million pounds he has now become world class abi? Chelsea also made things easy for arsenal last season 5-3

1025:

@harryobas,
no vex abeg, how many did osaze score and how many did yakubu score? believe me brother, if vulture na good meat, ppl of the olden days for chop am.
if podoslki is the player u think, other clubs for go for him. no be here we dey wenger chase chamakh for 4 seasons until he became a free agent? wey chamakh now? ashravin nko? we dey look.
mark my words and today's date, wenger has lost touch with current football and if things no change soon, fans will throw objects at him this season. i said mark my words and today's date.

I am not expecting podolski to be the messiah of arsenal if that's what u thinking. If i understand u clearly in your opinion if a player does not cost 30 million pounds and above the player does not have quality right?

1025:

uncle am not ur guy, u can address me as 1025 thank u. i know u have been following the progress in epl these days. any player that signs 5 years contract for 10 million has not class. podolski played in a relegated club in germany and that is where wenger picked him from. you need better money to buy a germany international that is hot. pls do not expect much from the guy. na small small clubs dey spend 10 million these days on players not top 4 teams. any player that costs 25 to 50 must have something in him. arsenal fans were more worried over the price of torres until the day torres shut barca up. big players like drogba, ramires, david luiz, brother mikel etc play big games.
can i ask u, what if arsenal was in finals with buyern with ur john terry, ivanovic,ramires and meirales all suspended, who would have played the game for u ppl talk-less of winning it? it is difficult to see players that have no quality that cost a lot of money.

Podolski played in a relegated team and scored 18 goals. If that is not quality to you then u must be from another planet.

1025:

@Harryobas,
tell wenger, he has tried for two signings so far but he is still where he was because i no see anything different from his usual players and the new ones.

I don't understand u my guy if wenger does not sign any player people will say arsenal are stingy now he has signed two they are not good enough. I bet if chelsea has singed an experienced international like podolski u will say he is a great signing. Maybe u are talking like this becos both signings are not 30 million pounds and above. You should not measure a player's quality by the amount he cost.

1025:

@original poster,
you asked a question and you answered it yourself. what you post here shows ur hatred for chelsea, city and man u. if you hate these three and the three hate u back , what do u think?
while u were growing up, or even now that u can think and type, do u know of any rich man that is stingy to the bone? if u know any, do ppl around him like or hate him for that? the truth of the matter is no normal person likes a stingy person.
if building a stadium is the reason for not buying players, then how much does a stadium cost? how much lost did man city post last season? can't that alone build a stadium? will ur club start spending 50 million pounds on a player after the stadium? man u do service their debt with up to 80 million pounds yearly and tell me how much arsenal are paying yearly for their stadium. apart from owing a stadium, clubs have more than a million and one other areas of investments interests. ur club may choose to build a stadium and continue buying cheap players and free agents only to loose their fans in the process because success is the only thing that attract a lot of friends. the real value of ur club will be exposed the day u miss out on that ur yearly target of top 4 finishing.

I don't hate chelsea, man u or city i am just sick of fans from these clubs going on about how arsenal has been trophyless for 7 years as if arsenal is the only club that has gone 7 years without a trophy. For your information arsenal stadium cost 500 million pounds, are u saying that city lost that much last season? I Don't think so.

Ogbiaboy: is arsenal an academy or a football club?

Arsenal is a responsibly managed football club. we live in the real world we can't all have sugar daddys buying us trophies.

Im sick of the Arsenal haters.. We are the model club.. Chelsea City and United are just clubs on steroids!!!! Until any of your clubs build a stadium, then I will love to see how much money you are spending in transfers!!! We are ahead of the game. Imagine that money was spent on players instead of the stadium, do you not think we would have won the league? We have been around the top of the table in March in a few of the previous seasons, we have been to cup finals... Having spend no money. I think the most we have been in debt is 6 million.

A programmer is nothing but a coder , He just codes accordingly to the specification or design . Whereas a developer developes the software/module from understanding the requirement, then design the solution,code it and then test the same. All developers are programmers but not all programmers are developers.

I believe working with an IDE makes u more productive because an IDE will usually integrate many different tools such as a compiler, an editor, a debugger etc in one place.

lordZOUGA:
you wanna teach? Please, Go on but please, use examples. sir.

First of all am not here to teach, and even if i wanted to teach you have to first of all tell me what u already know about software architecture so i know where to start from. If it happens that u know nothing at all then i would have to probably email u some beginner materials on software architecture to get u up to speed.

lordZOUGA:
since you are trying to "create an awareness of the importance of software architecture" why don't you illustrate it with a simple software and going through those phases and pointing out how the software architecture affects the perfomance of the software... Not quoting a textbook.

I have not quoted a textbook for your information. I only defined architecture using the generally accepted definition for architecture, if you are interested in knowing more about architecture just say so.

doncigalo: @harryobas Well said, your on point ...dont know where you're going with your post though...

Well the purpose of the post is to highlight and create an awareness of the importance of software architecture. Especially for developers that don't appreciate or understand why architecture is important.

lojik: Is this a question, an information, a poem or court proceeding?


With they way you started, one would have expected a call-to-action after the literature.

Well sorry if you don't fancy the way i started. Maybe i decided to start like that because i have come across quite a few developers (especially agile developers) who do not appreciate architecture because they feel architecture introduces unnecessary bureaucracy to the development process.

I am one of those developers with an interest in software architecture. According to bass et al the architecture of a software intensive system refers to the structure or structures of the system which comprise software elements, the externally visible properties of those elements and the relationship among them. Most software process models such as waterfall, incremental model, spiral model and agile processes like xp and scrum do not explicitly specify an architecture activity but that does not mean that architecture is not important enough to warrant its own distinct activity in the software development lifecycle. Infact architecture is the primary carrier of quality attributes such as availability, performance, modifiability etc. While requirements activity usually considers only concerns of user stakeholders architecture on the other hand usually considers the concerns of other stakeholders such as developers, architects, testers, acquirers, system administrators etc. It should be noted that software systems are not just used they are built, tested, maintained and of course they have to be paid for.

When I tell people that I develop web applications, specifically administrative web applications, they immediately assume that I develop web sites, and they cannot understand it when I tell them that they are not the same. Most people know the difference between a desktop application and a web site, so it is sometimes easier to understand if I say that a web application is equivalent to a desktop application with a web interface. As a web site does not have an equivalent desktop version it should therefore follow that there are differences.I sometimes refer to a web site as the Front Office or Showroom software and the web application as the Back Office software. Other people may use Front End and Back End. The front office is where visitors come in to browse and sometimes make a purchase. The back office is there to provide support services for the front office, such as processing customer orders and maintaining, issuing and replenishing inventory. While the front office is open to anyone, access to the back office is restricted to authorised personnel only. While the front office software is web only, the back office software can be either desktop or web, or a mixture of the two. It is possible for a web site (front end) to have a companion web application. A back office application is not necessarily the same as a Content Management System (CMS) as it does much more than simply maintain the information that is displayed on the web site. It is possible for a web application to exist without a companion web site. For example, an organisation may have a web application which allows employees to enter their timesheets and expenses, but this application does not have a web site which is open to casual visitors.The only similarity between a web site and a web application is that they both access HTML documents using the HTTP protocol over an internet or intranet connection. The fact that there is a difference between the two is not apparent to most of today's script kiddies who manage to cobble together what passes for a web site for an organisation, then, when asked to build a back office application to support what is used by the front office they continue with the "this is a website" mentality.

ekt_bear: In Ruby, modules and libraries, basically.

I don't really consider stand-alone functions/classes necessarily software components. Even though technically they are..

I would not consider a class as a component either because from c#/.net standpoint, a complied class(.netmodule) on its own is not depolyable it must be part of an assembly(.dll) to be deployable.

okeyxyz:

Well, that means everything then: a variable, a constant, class, function, module, etc. right?

I don't really think so, i say this because some say that a component must conform to a component model such as com, ejb, .net, corba etc.

The term component is a very much overloaded term in modern software engineering. The most generic definition is basically a piece of software that is somehow reusable or somehow deployable. So my fellow nairalanders what would you consider to be a component in your programming language of choice.

Ajafik: Coding which is equivalent to programming, testing, maintaining, documentation of artifacts, good User experience and interface, data integrity, are all embedded in the act of good software development. But of course we have many coders and little software developers out there. To most clients the standard is not the issue but for the solution architect to deliver.

Standard may not be the issue depending on the domain of the solution. For some domains, quality attributes such as reliability, performance or modifiability could be more important than functionality.

mkwayisi:
I believe we all learned that in our "Computer Programming 101" class. Clearly, you are talking from a "software engineer"'s perspective but I'm coming from that of a "programmer"'s. Do you *get it* now?

I totally understand your point. Programming is the most important, expensive and resource consuming activity of software development and certainly deserve a lot of attention. But it needs to be guided by good design techniques and development best practices because programming is where we can achieve important quality attributes such as testability, maintainability and reusability.