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elantraceey:
Hello mama, how are we?

Blessed, sweets. Hope this plenty holiday hasn't blown you up oh :-P

elantraceey:
Hello mama, how are we?

Blessed, sweets. Hope this plenty holiday hasn't blown you up oh :-P

BreezyRita:
I'm good. Been a while.
How's your side?
Top of the morning to you!

Many thanks ma'am for that thread. You wouldn't know how much I've enjoyed it. Almost stole me away completely from here. Trust your night was pleasant.

dearpreye:
Thank God for safety. We give Him thanks.

My journey was also smooth. And it was successful.

Good morning!

Morning sir. Where's our motivational talk na? Not sure I saw any yesterday oh. I still owe you a mail. You'll hear from me soon please.

AgapeCharis:
[color=#27408B]She's the only one you thought to greet abi?

Anyway, hi Lyntiffany. [/color]

You wey no kuku greet anybody apart from this new pretty lady nko?

MizMyColi:
Good Evening to every one in the house. I love you all

Love you more, ma'am. How's your night?

ideology:
Mummy HFOG, good evening, pls who's Lyntiffany

#WhileIdeologyWasAway

Morning sir. Trust you've been good. We missed you. She's a pretty lady I know. However Francizy, Kaboninc and co hold her other details. They'll be here shortly to update you.

Oh, the joys of those who do not follow evil men's advice, who do not hang around sinners, scoffing at the things of God: But they delight in doing everything God wants them to, and day and night are always meditating on His laws and thinking about ways to follow His more closely. They are like trees along a river bank bearing luscious fruit each season without fail. Their leaves shall never wither, and all they do shall prosper. But for sinners, what a different story! They blow away like chaff before the wind. They are not safe on Judgement Day; they shall not stand among the godly. For the Lord watches over all the plans and paths of godly men, but the paths of the godless lead to doom.

davien:
sorry,my mistake...
It is my opinion you wish to exclude..
No it's not a crime..but then you are in an open forum so there is no such thing as an isolated topic..
I never claimed anything to be a fact so far nor shoved any opinion on anyone...i simply want that question answered if it's not too much trouble..
I understand it and i've pointed out to also have been a "winner",and then forwarded a question you keep sweeping quitely under the rug with cheap diversion tactics..

Sir, do have a restful night and visions of heaven. I'm out please. Many thanks for your time. Blessings. :-)

davien:
It's not meant to make you guilty or are you feeling guilty?....Anyone here who isn't biased can see what i'm saying....you just opened a thread in an open forum for yourself and excluded any other opinion but those that you're okay with..

First off, I didn't open this thread.

Two, we won't be having this conversation if I excluded you.

Three, is it a crime to open a thread for a certain purpose and for a certain group of people?

Four, you're still entitled to stating your opinions and sentiments. Don't forget though, that they don't necessarily equate statements of facts.

Finally and perhaps most importantly, I have noticed you, okay? Like seriously. I mean I'm yet to open your profile though and check out your posts because I've not seen a reason for that. But all the same, I am still wondering what part of the owner's manual for this thread you do not understand.

starlingslimnet:
If someone is getting paid for his function aren't I supposed to be paid for being a song writer and teacher since that is my function?And aren't you supposed to be paid for your functions? Or you are telling me one part is important than the other?

No member of the body of Christ is more important than another. Are you telling me that paying money to someone or for something shows its importance? Haven't you noticed that the most important things in life we do not pay for them? Indeed they are things money cannot even buy. If someone decides to serve mammon not God what has that got to do with you? If you want to be paid for writing songs and ushering why not ask or device a means to get paid? They are asking and people are giving them, what's your beef? Is it your money? We cannot deny Scriptures. I quoted it before maybe you skipped it. God has ordained that those who preach the gospel live of the gospel. If every time you preach and you feel you need some money and want to raise an offering from it, what stops you? If I know you personally or if God instructs me to correct you I might politely approach you to try to help you see your wrong. But aside that what business do I have judging you? We really should learn to mind our business. We get into trouble when we take upon us what isn't our duty. Remember that what is highly exalted among men is an abomination in God's sight.

starlingslimnet:
Maybe it's time I asked you questions too...

Where in the Bible did Christ teach the disciples to pay Tithe? or the Apostles urge the church to pay tithe?

Jesus and the Apostles didn't explicitly teach on the issue of tithe. However they spoke a lot about giving of which we can conveniently say that tithe is a part of. Whoever is struggling to meticulously ensure he doesn't give above/below that 10% or he doesn't give it to certain people still has a long way to go. Someone is still struggling with tithe when God's calling us to a higher level of giving with the understanding that He owns us and all we have. Like Jesus was, I just wish we'll be balanced. He said...Woe unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith...
He wasn't commending the religious rulers in His days. In this same chapter hear what He told the multitudes and His disciples
The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not...
Is Christ contradicting Himself? How could He ask His disciples to keep obeying those rulers He had publicly corrected? Not at all. He's simply placing a balance and putting everyone where they belong. On one hand the people teaching and collecting the tithes have missed it yet He instructs His followers to obey their teachings (including teachings on tithe. Remember the pharisee that proudly prayed to God in the temple he made reference to paying his tithe and fasting among other things). So we are not the ones to set things in order. Do your part - give liberally and cheerfully. Wherever or to whoever or for whatever should be a consequence of your relationship with God. And you're not to judge others who do not give exactly as you do.

Alezy:
no dear, not at all. But alot of pastor's make it look like we must bring it to church and make it look big and even go ahead to say we rub God and there re curses. that's misleading the ppl.

While there are still a lot of pastors that do not do that. Is it everyone that says Lord, Lord that will enter the kingdom? Why do we act suprised like the Word wasn't clear about what we should expect in perilous times? We've been told not to be deceived...I just trying to think what would be achieved by starting up a crusade against those who have gone in the way of Balaam. No matter what we say or do many will keep deceiving others and deceiving themselves. Tithe issue is just a little way many have gone astray. There are many other issues. So overfloging it or disbelieving in tithe altogether or crusading against it to me is almost always a futile effort.

4rmGuest2Member:
Today, I went to 'my secret place' just to worship God. Mehn, it was lovely spending such a short time with Him this afternoon. Just telling Him how much I love Him and how much He means to me. I couldn't just hold back those tears.

Oh, how I love to worship Him. Oh, how He loves to be worshipped. I just need more of His grace to draw near unto Him.

Glory. Nothing beats worship except if it's not accompanied by obedience. Sweetest place to be is His presence. Oh, tears. Tears of joy, gratitude and awe.
*singing*
I can only imagine...

4rmGuest2Member:
Please, let's stick to the PURPOSE of this thread. I've realised that no matter what is said here, to convince some fellows would take them having personal encounters with God which I don't think they wanna have.

This tithe talk has become a distraction for me and I won't even talk about it anymore. There are 'unbelieving believers' here and maybe atheists here too to shift our focus from our mutual edification.

It'll be easy for us to just ignore, really. For now, let's forget tithes!

So, who has some RHEMA to SHARE?

Many thanks for this reminder. Truth is talking would achieve little or nothing till one has an encounter with the Lord. We need to pray and God'll reach out to sincere seekers. I initially wanted to ignore the tithe thingy but your reply to that illustration of a person applying to work somewhere gave me some morale. I'm thinking I still have a little space in my heart to reply one or two things so please bear with me. I think it's becoming obvious that struggling with tithe giving or usage is not really one of the essentials of the gospel. Sooner or later it will fade away.

davien:
Only not here as you've pointed out...only your opinions and goals matter...

Unfortunately your words can't make us feel guilty neither can it make us change our purpose for the thread. Because your words are simply a statement of your opinion not necessarily a statement of fact. Btw, we're derailing if you do not mind. :-P

starlingslimnet:
lol......it is a good thing to do so......That's why we are here discussing.... you might not realize have learnt previous things from you today

I'm trying hard to believe you're learning. Sometimes you speak like you're already made up and you're just looking for what to criticize. I can only trust God to give us the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him...

Specialist900:
Kaboninc, how far na? How much of nama you chop today o

Hfog, i greet o

Ideology, my runaway brother

LordReed, how family?

Bejeria101, i see senior bishop today o.

Elantraceey, the woman who chose another man over me

Beamborla, the ekiti woman after my heart

MizMyColi, the lady that recently .......

DearPreye, the guy who likes to compete with me. Must you travel on the day I also planned to?

Luxanne, the acclaimed gf of a confused AgapeCharis

Forgive my silence sir. Some other thread has overtaken my time here. I trust I'll be able to strike a balance soon. Many thanks for all you've been. Much love to everyone. Stay blessed

davien:
So in other words you want everyone to keep quite and swallow your views...typical!

If that's what you choose to understand it's perfectly fine by me. You're entitled to your opinion. :-)

4rmGuest2Member:
I'll begin to call you my Aunty in the Lord for this. God bless You.

Haha. No way. I'm just learning to walk with the Lord a day at a time. Amen to your prayers. God bless you more.

starlingslimnet:
It was given to the givers in Deut 14:22-29 perhaps you have not read it before and pastors avoid the place also. This is why you must know what your offerings is used for.

Quoting those verses here would be quite burdensome. I've just read them. The instruction is that they bring their tithes, have a feast, eat together and remember the widows, levites etc. That's quite clear sir. What I asked however was where we are instructed to supervise and ensure that those things are done. Also where we are told that we must stop giving tithe if it is not used as expected. We must stay within the bounds of the Bible please. I am not cut out for elaborate talks on this please. We use Scriptures to interpret Scriptures. We do not pick and interpret Scriptures in isolation. Generally when God gives us instructions, they are without conditions. For example, love your enemies. Pray for them that persecute you. Honour your father and mother. Pay your tax. Etc. Whatever the recipients of these instructions do or do not do is no excuse for us to flaunt His instructions. We do not honour our parents because they're good or perfect or right. We do not love our enemies because they always end up changing. We do what we're asked to do because we're asked to do it irrespective of what anyone else does. Let me tie up what I'm saying. That reference doesn't tell us to quit paying tithes if the leaders in the temple stop using it faithfully. Two, that Scripture is part of the Old covenant as it deals with what to eat and what not to eat. But we know from Jesus' words that what we eat does not defile us. Three, there are a number of other Scriptures that say a lot more about tithe than the aspect of eating and feasting. We can't make this the ultimate and use it in isolation. Please note that I do not personally have an issue with tithe. I'm doing all this talk because I feel you're trying to nullify the whole essence of tithe giving because YOU FEEL that many religious leaders have dealt unfaithfully and greedily with tithes and offerings.

davien:
can't anyone answer my question here?

You're asking your question on the wrong thread sir. We do not intend to defy the purpose why this thread was created. Many thanks for understanding

starlingslimnet:
My dear am a Christain and I know who a Christain is.That's why I asked the question. Besides how is your day going?

My day has been beautiful. I'm learning today from you that it's part of our duties as Christians to randomly ask others details of their walk with God. Abi?

starlingslimnet:
And that is the Faith of the early church!!! am glad believers like you still exist. .those who live by Faith.

But if her 10% is misappropriated she becomes a sinner abi? One more question, who it be righteous of her to go around criticizing those who do not use up to 80% of their resources on the gospel? Why?

starlingslimnet:
What do you need backup for......cos I can't figure it out

Pls let me know as soon as you do figure it out sir. I need to know if it's clearly spelt out in Scriptures because that's where my persuasions come from and that's God's manual for my life.

starlingslimnet:
That is where The Church disobey Christ we all as Christains are commanded to Love God with all our heart and soul but rather we listened to pastors who say they have been called and spreading the Gospel is limited to them and as such commitment is not needed from the members.

God didn't give directions about the tax we pay but he gave directions on how our offerings should be used.

What instructions did God give about the use of our offering and who was the instruction directed to? The giver of the tithe or the collector?
Nobody taught me that we have different calls and we make different commitments to God. It's clear from Scriptures. We're all members of the body of Christ but we have very different functions.

starlingslimnet:
Of course not but you have,if your tithe is spent on pastors who are supposed to feed themselves.

:-O Give me a Scriptures to back this pls.

starlingslimnet:
Good to know 80% goes to the. Gospel.....care to tell me how it is spent?

haha. You go fear question. Have you become deputy God or what?

starlingslimnet:
I pay tax because the Bible say we should. I believe we are all preachers that's what Christ called us.....from the Bible you quoted I think we should all be paid because we are all preachers.

Yes, we've all been called to preach but we do not all make the same sacrifices neither do we have the same callings and giftings. Are we to keep paying tax even with the proof that it's been misappropriated? Shouldn't our payment of tax depend on how trustworthy and faithful our leaders are?

Alezy:
ofcos I kw the church is the store house but why are u forgetting the b part of that scripture?? or the next verse if am not mistaking. It say bring ur tithe to the store house AND EAT IT. so do we eat our tithe in church?? This explains my point of tithing as a law cos in this scripture it was use like a law.
There is also tithing in grace n that must not be done in church as we do it these days as a law.

So have I sinned if I choose to give my tithe to a church or pastor?

starlingslimnet:
Dear you mean you don't understand that parable I used?

You missed my point sir. And please don't ask me what it is. It's still there for your perusal.