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chezholy: Rubbish write up!!!
....allow people to live their lives and U, live ur own life.

No we are dealing with heaven oriented people here

vickyO: If you fail to understand the points I made above then i'm out of here.

All I just want you to know is that, these scriptures were brought out of the SUPREME WORD. and It will stand as a witness on that day (Judgment day)
you have being hearing these for very long time from different men of God, even late prophet T.O obadare also claim to see pastor Bimbo odukoya in hell all just because of her dressing, many women has also gotten the mercy of God and was brought back to life after they have died, just to reammend their way and warn others that dress like them, people like magret Amure (Benin), Linda Ngaujah (serial eon) Abraham Yakubu, Adelaida De Carrillo, Carmelo Brenes (Spain) Rev. Dr. Joseph I . A . James, Rev. Funmilayo Adebayo and even from great men of God like Pastor Kumuyi, Pastor Adeboye and dr. Olukoya
Do you think mummy G.O of redeem no sabi better thing? Abi no fine girl for deeper life, and you have even heard enough from NL, and the word of God has also shown you why it's Bad.
Infact I don't pray that God will show you a vision, because all these are enough to learn your lessons.
I pray it will not be too late when you will be hearing from the lord direct, because I don't pray God will show you a vision.
I don't know why people like to feel too stubborn to leave ordinary ornament for God.
If you no use am, you go die?
Mtcheeeeew

vickyO: Your ignorance knows no bound. I'm outta here.

All I just want you to know is that, these scriptures were brought out of the SUPREME WORD. and It will stand as a witness on that day (Judgment day)
you have being hearing these for very long time from different men of God, even late prophet T.O obadare also claim to see pastor Bimbo odukoya in hell all just because of her dressing, many women has also gotten the mercy of God and was brought back to life after they have died, just to reammend their way and warn others that dress like them, people like magret Amure (Benin), Linda Ngaujah (serial eon) Abraham Yakubu, Adelaida De Carrillo, Carmelo Brenes (Spain) Rev. Dr. Joseph I . A . James, Rev. Funmilayo Adebayo and even from great men of God like Pastor Kumuyi, Pastor Adeboye and dr. Olukoya
Do you think mummy G.O of redeem no sabi better thing? Abi no fine girl for deeper life, and you have even heard enough from NL, and the word of God has also shown you why it's Bad.
Infact I don't pray that God will show you a vision, because all these are enough to learn your lessons.
I pray it will not be too late when you will be hearing from the lord direct, because I don't pray God will show you a vision.
I don't know why people like to feel too stubborn to leave ordinary ornament for God.
If you no use am, you go die?
Mtcheeeeew

Obascoetubi: THIS IS NOT WHAT WE BELIEV.E BEFORE WE CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS, CHRISTMAS IS THE DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS NOT THE DAY OF EVIL EVEN UR PASTOR CELEBRATE TOO

TAKE TIME AND READ THE FACT

vickyO: People mention trousers for women like its an abomination. Don't you all fanatics know that shirts was first made for men? and we have shirts for women now and trousers is no different. Why make trousers an issue? what of suits, ties, jackets that were originally made for men before those for women started popping out? The issue of clothing is one determined by the world and all we as Christians have to do is to be wise by being decent and modest. The ruler of this world is the devil and he knows about most things invented, both good and evil. the food you eat were not invented by Christians, especially the African food. does that mean you won't eat it again because our fore fathers were core idol worshippers?
When I used to be a fanatic like some of you, I realized that I didn't have a strict scriptural backing against these things.
Most of us fail to distinguish between personal revelation and general revelation.
God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, he obeyed without complaint. He didn't even tell Sarah his wife. Why? Because he knew what God asked him to do has no Biblical or moral justification and Sarah who was in her right mind would have opposed to the slaughter of her son. He went ahead without consulting her and God proved himself.
God actually tells some people to drop these things, Some seek advice from others and they tell them no, it isn't against the Bible while some go ahead and obey God which is the right thing to do.
Hence, my message, because of the outcome of Abraham's obedience will it be right for him to tell everyone that for them to seek favour from God they must; try to sacrifice their children, go on a journey to a foreign land, circumcise their children, and do other things God asked him to do? no, it won't be right. Why? Because God deals with everyone according to their measure of faith.
To those of you who God has personally told to stop, stop but don't go about telling others to do the same because that might not be God's plan or word for them.
Or should I because God told me not to marry so that I can do his work more efficiently tell others to abstain from marriage? that would be foolish of me. And this case ain't an exception. God knows how well you can do his work and He won't hesitate to tell you when you show interest. And remember different strokes for different folks.
Shalom!

DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF A STUMBLING STONE FOR OTHERS

vickyO: People mention trousers for women like its an abomination. Don't you all fanatics know that shirts was first made for men? and we have shirts for women now and trousers is no different. Why make trousers an issue? what of suits, ties, jackets that were originally made for men before those for women started popping out? The issue of clothing is one determined by the world and all we as Christians have to do is to be wise by being decent and modest. The ruler of this world is the devil and he knows about most things invented, both good and evil. the food you eat were not invented by Christians, especially the African food. does that mean you won't eat it again because our fore fathers were core idol worshippers?
When I used to be a fanatic like some of you, I realized that I didn't have a strict scriptural backing against these things.
Most of us fail to distinguish between personal revelation and general revelation.
God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac, he obeyed without complaint. He didn't even tell Sarah his wife. Why? Because he knew what God asked him to do has no Biblical or moral justification and Sarah who was in her right mind would have opposed to the slaughter of her son. He went ahead without consulting her and God proved himself.
God actually tells some people to drop these things, Some seek advice from others and they tell them no, it isn't against the Bible while some go ahead and obey God which is the right thing to do.
Hence, my message, because of the outcome of Abraham's obedience will it be right for him to tell everyone that for them to seek favour from God they must; try to sacrifice their children, go on a journey to a foreign land, circumcise their children, and do other things God asked him to do? no, it won't be right. Why? Because God deals with everyone according to their measure of faith.
To those of you who God has personally told to stop, stop but don't go about telling others to do the same because that might not be God's plan or word for them.
Or should I because God told me not to marry so that I can do his work more efficiently tell others to abstain from marriage? that would be foolish of me. And this case ain't an exception. God knows how well you can do his work and He won't hesitate to tell you when you show interest. And remember different strokes for different folks.
Shalom!

What right does anyone have to teach what is not in Scripture as if it is Scripture?

Revelation 22:18
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
and among the plagues is hell and lake of fire.

Do not use the word of God in a way to suit you, it is already written in the bible, and you don't need an angel to appear to you to convince you or stop you that is wrong, the word is enough and if you fail to believe the word, then you are on your own because, the word will judge you when you appear in the great white judgment throne. Always ask the holy spirit to Interpret the word for you before you even start reading it.


Deuteronomy 22:5
“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

many many years ago, men has being putting on trousers and shirt, women started imitating men in the late 80's
even as at 1989-1992, when I was still a child, whenever we see a woman on trouser, we quickly know that she is a prostitute, because, as at then, we identify prostitute with their dressing. infact as at then it was so strange. we cant fool God you know

King James Bible Zeph1:8
And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel

Do not forget the fact that this kind of dressing was adopted from the white, we are only imitating what the white are doing, and you can hear what the bible is saying here, do not do what others are doing.
Be contended with what the lord has given you.
do not imitate the white,

IF GOD HAS MADE THE AFRICAN LADY HAIR AS LONG AS THE WHITE, WILL THEY USE ATTACHMENT?

answer the question, it is because you are not contended with what the lord gave to you.

I don't want to go further because you already know is bad, do not look for things to justify yourself.
and no one is forcing you to stop using it or not to stop, you have your life to live, and I have mine to live. But you and me will surely be judge by the word, where these two verses were brought from.
YOU CAN ACCEPT OR REJECT BUT DONT DEPRIVE OTHERS FROM KNOWING THE TRUTH

Roman1:18-19
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The Origin of Christmas in the Church
The church structure, full of pagans since Constantine's reign, became so corrupt in its effort to recruit ever more to church membership, that the heathen festival of Dec. 25 was adopted and its name changed to "CHRIST-mass". With the "S" being dropped later, it became an acceptable holiday to the Protestants because they no longer considered it a mass for CHRIST (which it still is).


Christmas Defined
The mass is a ceremony conducted by the Catholics. In this ceremony the priest are (supposed) to offer CHRIST as a sacrifice for sin. They also (suppose to ) have the power to bring CHRIST off the Cross and then make him take the form on a little wafer. This wafer is given to the people participating in this ceremony. The people are told (by the priest) that when they eat this wafer, "they have received JESUS". This entire practice is unscriptural and of pagan origin.
The Catholic Church instituted the celebration of Christmas and sold the idea to both the Protestants and the world. The Protestants were deceived into believing that they are celebrating the birth of CHRIST, but in reality, they are celebrating a pagan holiday that had a name change. The world accepts Christmas as what it really is -- just another pagan holiday with a Christian name. A time to be merry and make merry! Often times, you hear people say that a person doesn't have the "Christmas Spirit" if he looks sad or says something against Christmas.
However, if you ever took notice, its quite apparent that the "Christmas Spirit" is not of CHRIST.

Christmas and the Christian

When the facts about Christmas are revealed, it becomes easy to see that JESUS is not and has never been a part of Christmas. JESUS would never associate His name with lies because He is truth. One must readily see that Christmas is another one of Satan's many subtle tricks to deceive us. Well, the question comes to mind, "Why do well known religious leaders advocate the celebration of ChristMas?" The answer is found in one word, "MONEY". This is the time of the year when it is easiest to get people to give money to just about any cause and this is the time of the year when they can get the most for their programs, networks etc. Keep in mind, that God holds them accountable for their Sin and this shouldn't influence you to join them in this Sin because they choose to.
After you evaluate the facts and weight the evidence, the only conclusion that you can reach is that JESUS is NOT in Christmas, and never was. Also, we don't have the power to put JESUS in Christmas (even if we wanted to). God has not asked, told, or commanded us to celebrate CHRISTmass, but we, like Uzza, (who put his hand on the ark and died) believe that we are doing God a favor and bestowing great honor on His Son. We assume (in this instance) that we know the mind of God and to celebrate (we say) the birth of His Son, just has to be in God's will. But in reality, we don't know the mind of God. "For who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or, Who hath been his counselor? Or, who hath first given to him and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen." (Romans 11:34-36).
Why Is celebrating Christmas a Sin? Because their is no truth in it, and God cannot receive glory from any event that has no truth in it. God commands us to worship him in spirit and in truth. "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the TRUE WORSHIPERS shall worship the Father in spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 5:23-24) Anything less is Sin. God is asking you to examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves, how that JESUS CHRIST is in you except ye be reprobates? (2 Cor 13:5)
When the world asks you and begins to persecute you for not celebrating Christmas, ask yourself this question; "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? For if I yet please men I should not be the servant of CHRIST." (Gal. 1:10) Don't celebrate the fact that JESUS was born into this world as someone in history, but rather be joyous and celebrate (everyday) that this same JESUS saved your sin sick soul."
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they SACRIFICE TO DEVILS (DEMONS), and not to God; and I would not that ye should have FELLOWSHIP with DEVILS. Ye cannot drink the "Cup of the Lord" and the "Cup of Devils": Ye cannot be partakers of the Lords Table, and of the Table of DEVILS." (l Cor 10:20-21) Remember, God said; "And Ye SHALL know the Truth and the Truth shall set you Free." (John 8:32).
(Demon Buster)

LET US ALL GO TO GOD IN PRAYER AND ASK FOR FORGIVNESS FOR INVOLVING IN CHRISTMAS

Christmas is directed to the worshiping of a pagan gods, and the priest are the one we called father Christmas. (Funmilayo)

Believe it or not, both sinners, unbeliever, satanist and the kingdom of darkness in the air, in the sea, in the sky celebrate the day Christmas.
Why will satan celebrate the day of his enemy?
No wonder they work so hard to get enough blood, in their blood for the preparation of the day. That’s why, October, November, December, there are so much flow of blood. May God forgive me for ever involve myself in Christmas, I never knew what I was doing then
Let me tell you all, you can not drink from satan cup and Jesus cup at same time, there is no different in celebrating Christmas and Masquerade or yam festival

BELOW ARE FACT
FROM ANOTHER MINISTRY
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phil. 2:12). DELIVERANCE from a few religious spirits (praying to Mary, Mass, etc.) is not enough, Believer.

We must confront the strongmen behind the more subtle, or occult traditions practiced in the church today. The spirit of Christmas, for example, not only binds us to Babylon, but allows formerly expelled spirits to re-enter our lives. STRONGMEN MUST BE COMPLETELY OVERCOME, because the slightest compromise will increase their influence over our lives.

The Tradition of Christmas
Christmas is a pagan substitute for the blessing of God.

The Joy of the Lord
Christmas counterfeits the joy of the Lord.

The Myth of Christmas
Excitement and expectation fill the air as the "big day" approaches. People run to and fro, gift lists grow, parties are planned, homes are decorated, egg nog, reefers and other stimulants flow freely, and charitable contributions rise.

The Reality
It all looks good, but beneath the false glitter, people are depressed, suicidal, filled with hate, resentment or murder, and thousands are killed, maimed and traumatized by drunk drivers (highway accidents) or desperate men (street muggins).
Ungodly soul ties are formed at office parties, financial and emotional bondage intensify and drunkenness, reveling and fornication abound. Favoritism and bribery (of mailmen, legislators, politicians and clients) proliferate, merrymakers purchase last minute gifts for unexpected friends (Deut. 16:19) and long periods of financial bondage follow excessive credit-card purchases. The seasonal excitement slithers to a dead halt somewhere between Christmas and New Year's Day, business slumps, dieters dig out the yogurt and magazine articles advise post-holiday depressants how to cope. What a mess!

Christmas in the Protestant Church
"I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:2-3). Christmas appropriates worship which belongs to the Lord JESUS Christ to other gods.

Denominational Ties
"What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? For two, saith he, shall be one flesh" (1 Cor. 6:16). Denominational churches hold Romish candlelight services which strengthen ungodly soul ties to the harlot and fill undelivered minds with spirits of antichrist, religion, idolatry, and an infant JESUS.

Non-Denominational Churches
"Fear ye not me? saith the Lord...." (Jer. 5:22). Non-denominational churches, as well, often fail to speak out against the tradition of Christmas, either because they too, are entrapped in the mire of religion, concerned about losing their congregations or fearful of financial ruin.

Idolatry
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" (Ex. 20:4). Merchants profit from the sale of idolatrous figurines, wax candles and other occult items which bring curses upon the purchasers.

CARDS AND GIFTS
"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth... And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.... AND THEY THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH SHALL REJOICE OVER THEM, and make MERRY, AND SHALL SEND GIFTS ONE TO ANOTHER; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt upon the earth" (Rev. 11:3,7,10). Christmas gifts and cards counterfeit the gifts of God's Spirit. The church is commanded to demonstrate God's mercy and love (healing and DELIVERANCE) to the afflicted, sick and vexed among God's people, but this great commission has degenerated to a wrapped present, once a year on Christmas day. How strange it is that the only scriptural precedent for exchanging gifts is the death of the two witnesses.

LIGHTS
" I am the light of the world; he that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life" (John 8:12). Festive lights flickering in windows and on housetops try to counterfeit the Light of CHRIST, but JESUS is the only Light in this totally dark world, and His Light is SPIRITUAL.

SANTA CLAUS
Santa Claus, also known as Saint Claus, or Saint Nicholas, the famous mythical character loved by multitudes across the world, is a demonic caricature of our Lord JESUS CHRIST.
The godly qualities of joy (jolly) wealth (bearer of gifts), omnipresence (everywhere on the same night), eternal life (ageless), travel in the Spirit (magical flight), punisher of the wicked (withholds gifts), and rewarder of good (giver of gifts), are combined with the ungodly qualities of Antichrist and World Unity, in this pitiful, comic substitute for the CHRIST of the Bible. Adults as well as children are force-fed this demonic lie (usually from birth), which exposes them to violence, magic, fantasy, war games, dancing reindeer and mystical cartoons, while the Son of God, His truth and His righteousness, are denied and blasphemed by the world.

WHAT ARE WE REALLY CELEBRATING?
"Then JESUS said unto them ...Me, the world hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil" (John 7:6,2). Christmas (according to tradition) is the Lord's birthday, BUT WHY WOULD A WORLD THAT HATES AND REJECTS THE SON OF GOD, CELEBRATE HIS BIRTHDAY?

CHRISTMAS IS ROMAN CATHOLIC
"JESUS needeth not daily...to offer up sacrifice... for this, he did once, when he offered up himself...By the which.... we are sanctified once for all" (Heb. 7:27; 10:10). Christmas is not Christian! It is a Roman Catholic tradition which directs the attention of the world, to the world, to the church at Rome, its ecclesiastical head, the Pope, and millions of Roman Catholics across the world, as they participate in the sacrifice of the CHRIST MASS, the idolatrous recrucifixion of JESUS CHRIST.

TREES
"Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain; for one CUTTETH A TREE out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. THEY DECK IT WITH SILVER AND WITH GOLD; THEY FASTEN IT WITH NAILS AND WITH HAMMERS, THAT IT MOVE NOT" (Jer. 10:2-4).
"Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing (Deut. 7:26). Tree worship, which originated in ancient Rome, counterfeits the resurrection of JESUS CHRIST.
The great Roman god (the Roman Nimrod) who died in the midst of his power and glory, was symbolized as a huge dead tree, stripped of all its branches and cut down almost to the ground.
Baal-Berith (the Babylonian Tammuz) was symbolized as an evergreen, or immortal tree.
The Christmas tree, then decked with gold (deity), and silver (unlimited provision), represents the deified, reincarnation life of Nimrod, which has sprung forth from the dead tree stump.
Face it or not, Believer, THAT TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR LIVING ROOM IS A CURSED MONUMENT TO THE PAGAN GOD, TAMMUZ.

JESUS IN BABYLON
"His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written, that no man knew, but He Himself. And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood; and His Name is called The Word of God" (Rev. 19:12-13). My dear friend, Rome has mingled the crucifixion and resurrection of the Lord JESUS CHRIST with the pagan death and reincarnation of the Nimrod. It is indeed, the CHRIST of the Bible whom Rome crucifies on Christmas eve, but it is Tammuz who appears on Christmas morning, infantile and powerless in the arms of Semiramis, who reigns supreme over her son/husband and the entire Roman Catholic Church. Like it or not, Believer, CHRISTMAS IS THE CELEBRATION OF JESUS' DEATH AND THE TRANSFERENCE OF HIS RESURRECTED GLORY TO THE PAGAN GOD TAMMUZ.

ARE YOU CAUGHT IN THE SNARE?
"And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? If the Lord be God, follow Him: but if Baal, then follow him" (1 Kings 18:21). The wicked history of this winter festival can be found in any encyclopedia, yet many Believers, snared by the spirit of Christmas, joyously enter into the "holiday season", blinded to, or unwilling to face, its pagan roots. "AND THE ANGEL CRIED MIGHTILY WITH A STRONG VOICE, SAYING, BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, IS FALLEN, AND IS BECOME THE HABITATION OF DEVILS, AND THE HOLD OF EVERY FOUL SPIRIT, AND A CAGE OF EVERY UNCLEAN AND HATEFUL BIRD (Rev. 18:2)
"AND I HEARD ANOTHER VOICE FROM HEAVEN, SAYING, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, THAT YE BE NOT PARTAKERS OF HER SINS, AND THAT YE RECEIVE NOT OF HER PLAGUES. FOR HER SINS HAVE REACHED UNTO HEAVEN, AND GOD HATH REMEMBERED HER INIQUITIES" (Rev. 18:4-5).

FROM ANOTHER MINISTRY

WHY ISN'T JESUS IN CHRISTMAS?
Satan Worship Disguised
Two phrases that are usually given as an excuse, reason, and/or basis for Christians to continue the celebration of Christmas (CHRIST-mass) are: It's alright as long as you keep "JESUS in Christmas" and as long as you remember that "JESUS is the reason for the SEASON"; Without giving it a second thought we readily accept these excuses as the basis for our zeal to "worship God (on this special day) in Spirit and Truth." Yet in all of our zeal we don't even question the origin of Christmas or how much truth is in it. We just assume that because part of JESUS' name is attached to this event and because our motive is to celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST that these are reasons enough to celebrate this event. Now that may sound like a real good spiritual reason or motive, however, what we fail to consider, is that God did not tell us to do this particular thing.
Let us reflect for a moment on a man who is mentioned in the Bible and who also felt like he had a good motive for doing something that he thought would honor and please God. His name is Uzza. "And they carried the ark of God in a new cart out of the house of Abinadah: and Uzza and Ahio drove the cart. And when they came unto the threshing floor of Chidon, Uzza put forth his hand to hold the ark; for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzza, and he smote (killed) him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God." (l Chr. 13:7,9-10). Why did God kill him? Wasn't he helping God in his effort to keep the ark from falling on the ground? Wasn't that a good motive that he had? Yes, his motive was a good one and I'm sure he felt that he was helping God. However, God still killed him! Why? Because God did not tell him to put his hand to the ark. Also, only the Levi priest could handle the ark. Uzza illustrated (in his actions) the same type of zeal that we show as the basis for our celebration of Christmas. However, if we would just reflect on the origin of Christmas, we would readily realize that Christmas is another one of satan's subtle attempts to cover up a pagan practice (satan worship), by attaching part of JESUS' name to it and deceiving people into believing that to celebrate Christmas is to celebrate the birth of CHRIST, when it really isn't.
Let us now consider those two statements that were mentioned earlier for our basis for celebrating Christmas. Consider for a moment, if JESUS was in Christmas from it's origin, we wouldn't have to be constantly reminded to "Keep JESUS in Christmas" or for that matter do we have the power (of ourselves) to put JESUS there, take him out or keep him there in the first place. What we fail to keep in mind is that JESUS has power over himself and us, whereas we have no power over him; to constrain him to do anything that is not in his will. Remember, if it was God's will for us to set aside a day to celebrate the birth of his Son (JESUS CHRIST), God would have commanded you to do so in His Word (the Bible). JESUS gave us two ordinances to observe (until his return). They are the "Baptism" and the "Lord's Supper". (Rom. 6:3-5, Col. 2:12, I Cor. 11:17-34) Nowhere do you read in the Bible where JESUS, his disciples or apostles stopped and set aside time or even a day to celebrate JESUS' birth. Nowhere in the Bible has JESUS required you to do so either. Yet, we are told by popular religious leaders that "JESUS is the reason for the season", but when researching the origin of Christmas, we find that this statement is untrue and that we are really being deceived. However, because of the "lust in our hearts" (sin which leads to rebellion) we continue to join the world in celebration of this so-called special day. But God has said "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable and perfect will of God." (Rom. 12:2)

POPULAR RELIGIOUS LEADERS APPROVE THE CELEBRATION OF CHRISTMAS
even though it's not Scripturally based.
Let us consider for a moment what a popular religious leader said about Christmas. He said "Christmas is, by and large, looked at in one of three ways: the biblical context, the framework of commercialism, or the perspective of it's heathen origins." He also stated that the biblical context is found in the first and second chapters of St. Luke. But when we look in Luke 2 and 3, we find the fulfillment of the prophecy concerning the coming of the Messiah, as spoken in Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulders and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his Kingdom, to order it and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of host will perform this."
Yet, here in Luke as well as in Matthew we don't read where JESUS said for us to (at sometime during the year) pay special homage to this event. Notice the popular religious leader stated that Christmas has a biblical context, yet we can't find it in the Bible. He also speaks of Christmas in context of commercialism and its heathen origin. The truth of the matter is that the celebration of Christmas was and still is a pagan holiday (of heathen origin) with JESUS' name attached to it to give some believability.
The commercialism is just a "by product" at this pagan celebration. You say at this point, "what is wrong with celebrating the birth of my Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST?" and "I'm NOT participating in a pagan holiday because on that day I worship JESUS in spirit and in truth." That sounds good, however, true worship can only be based upon "truth". Consider now the origin of Christmas and reflect for a moment on all of the lies one must ignore in order to continue to celebrate this day.

THE ORIGIN OF CHRISTMAS

A. IT'S DATE
Actually, Christmas (or CHRIST-mass) was the direct adoption of a heathen festival observed on December 24 and 25, in honor of the son of the Babylonian queen, Astarte. Observed for centuries BEFORE CHRIST, the Chaldeans called this "child day" or "yule day". (Does the expression, "yule time season" sound familiar)?

B. THE CHRISTMAS TREE.
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As part of this pagan form of satan worship, heathens (Gentiles) would bring (into their houses) fir or pine trees, during this period of the year. They would deck the tree with GOLD AND SILVER ORNAMENTS or gold and silver colored ornaments. The heathens (Gentiles) believed that by bringing this tree into their homes and dressing it up, it would protect their homes from evil spirits. According to one legend, on the eve of the day (Dec. 24). the yule log was cast into a tree from which divine gifts appeared -- PRESENTS from the gods to bless men in the new year. This tree was common in the days of Jeremiah, who expressly warned Israel to forsake this heathen custom. God recognized this custom as a form of idolatry. (Jeremiah 10:1-9) (Psalm 115.4-7)

[b]C. THE TIME OF JESUS' BIRTH
There is no indication whatsoever, that CHRIST was born on Dec. 25. Rather, from everything found in scripture, one must conclude that He was born during the warmer months of the year. For one thing we know he was laid in a manager (outside in an unheated stable). The cold months in Israel (from Dec. to Feb.) are generally too severe for traveling to pay a tax, as Joseph did with his family. One must realize that all travel in those days was by foot, or leastways by very primitive means; scripture tells us that shepherds were in the fields. Even though there are times when shepherds might be in fields at this time of year, it is not likely that they would be out in the open with their flocks during the winter months. (Luke 2:9)


D. THE WISE MEN MYTH...
The manger display you see every Christmas with the wise men isn't true! It's tradition and tradition is unreliable! The bible doesn't say THREE wise men! It doesn't give a number. Remember, it said all Jerusalem was troubled when they entered the city. So they would have to travel in large caravans so that they could pass the crime infested desert regions. When the wisemen saw JESUS he was 18 months old (or older) and no longer a baby. The bible says they went to the "young child's HOUSE".

E. YULE WREATHS, EXCHANGING GIFTS; LIGHTING CANDLES AND CHRISTMAS TREES...
are a direct extension of pagan worship to the sun god. Yet good Christian people participate and enjoy this form of pagan worship under the disguise of Christmas.

F. NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS FOR CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS...
We know further that the apostles did not observe the day we do as CHRIST's birthday. Tertullian, writing in the middle of the THIRD CENTURY, lamented the fact that Christians were BEGINNING to observe the customs of the heathen in this regard. He said, "Gifts are carried to and fro, New Year's Day presents are made with din, (loud noise) sports and banquets are celebrated with uproar."

macof: just proves that the theory of hell is false

all i see is description of prisons, graves and burning kingdoms

Fact One: Hell is likened to a lake of fire into which the wicked will be cast alive (Revelation 19:20; 20:15).

Fact Two: Hell is likened to a bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1).

Fact Three: Hell was prepared for the Devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).

Fact Four: Hell is a place of everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46).

Fact Five: Hell is a place where one can never repent (Matthew 12:32).

Fact Six: Hell is a place of torments (Luke 16:23).

Fact Seven: Hell is a place where the worm dies not and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:46).

Fact Eight: Hell is a place of everlasting destruction from the presence of God (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10).

Fact Nine: Hell is a waterless place with no exit (Luke 16:24-26).

Fact Ten: Hell is a place of outer darkness, weeping, and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30).

If all of the descriptive definitions of Hell above are figurative, then how much worse are the realities of Hell going to be? Hell is not a place that any rational thinking person would want to go or want anyone else to go. Those who are unrighteous will be in Hell. Obey the Gospel of Christ today to avoid the horrors of this place in eternity.

macof: just proves that the theory of hell is false

all i see is description of prisons, graves and burning kingdoms

I ONLY WANT TO BASE ON THE WORD OF GOD

Elantracey: ah was about likin ur post but u spoilt it wit ur last statement ....how can u claim dat jesus have died 4 ur sins n still call urself a sinner....remember no sinner will enter heaven so wat's ur purpose of being a christian

no one is holy except God and all our righteousness are just like stinky rag before God

macof: So muslims, Jews, hindus, buddhists, Aborisha etc. would all go to hell because they don't believe in Jesus?

While only Christians can enter heaven

how can humans believe this poo
Can't be I actually used to believe this

God created the heaven and the earth, by His word, and without the word, nothing was created.
and if you say you are obeying God, then you have to believe He loves, you, and he gave his only begotten son to die for you, so that trough his death, you and me can earn salvation. If you say you believe God rule over the heaven and the earth, and he has the power to destroy your spirit and soul and your body, then you have to believe in his word. and obey him in every way. You should know that, by his word, he made everything, and you are going to be judge by his word, and behold,
The word is Jesus Christ himself (1 john1:14) The word of God became a flesh and dwell among us.
He died for you and me,
Before, only the Jew were the chosen one. the lord only care about Israel, but trough the death of Jesus Christ, he gave us the opportunity to become member of God's family, everybody who believe Jesus as his lord and savior, will not perish but has everlasting Life.
Christians are not going to heaven, but only believers of Christ that live a holy and righteous life
Millions of Christians will end up in hell, and any religion that did not believe in Jesus

I'm a Christian is not the key to the kingdom of God, (Matthew 7:21-23)

But unless you are born again and live a holy and righteous life.
Give your life to Christ today because tomorrow is too late

Ukuts gp: dnt u think u are getting obscessed with this hell issue. Is that the gospel christ call us to preach. Are u nt seeing almost everyone today trying to claim that they went to hell and heaven for sight seeing. Many people are just playing with God, i pity them. Even look at u acting like the caretaker of heaven and hell that u know those barred from entering heaven and are thrown into hell. We must be careful because the bible warns that things like this will happen. Nobody knows satan's scheme, so let us be alert and study the word of God thoroughly.

BECAUSE YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE WARNING DOES NOT MEAN OTHERS DONT CARE

FACT ABOUT HELL
HELL IS JUST A PLACE WHERE SINNERS RESIDED, WAITING FOR JUDGMENT, BEFORE THEY WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE (REV21:
HELL IS DIFFERENT FROM LAKE OF FIRE

BUT THESE ARE FACT ABOUT HELL

Job 7:14 it says, "thou scarest me with dreams and terrifieth me with visions.
Jonah 2:2 it says, "in Hell he cried out." And In Jonah 2:6 it says, "the earth with her bars was about me forever, yet thou has brought up my life from corruption." So at least there was somebody in the Bible that experienced Hell, Jonah
Isaiah 24:22 it says: "And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison...." Each portion of hell has prison cell,
Proverbs 7:27 "they shall go down to Hell in the chambers of death"
By "Chambers" it means rooms. So part of Hell has prisons cells, chambers, pits of fire, and big areas of fire, so I was just in a prison cell at this time.
In Isaiah 14:9-10 it says
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? Art thou become like unto us?
Psalms 88:4
I am counted with those who go down to the pit; I am like a man who has no strength,

And we know that the devil does have strength, in the scriptures were there was a demon-man running through the graveyard, it says:Mark 5:1-4
Then they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. And when He had come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no one could bind him, not even with chains, because he had often been bound with shackles and chains. And the chains had been pulled apart by him, and the shackles broken in pieces; neither could anyone tame him.

They couldn't bind him; he had broken the chains into pieces. And that was just a man with a demonic strength. I understood these demons had about 1000 times the strength of a man. So even if you have your natural strength, you cannot have fought them off anyway.
2 Samuel 22:6 states:
The sorrows of Hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;
Psalms 74:20 it says:
Have respect to the covenant; For the dark places of the earth are full of the haunts of cruelty.

There are scriptures about the humiliation you have to endure. "you can't stop it!" In Isaiah 5:14-15
Therefore my people have gone into captivity, Because they have no knowledge; Their honorable men are famished, And their multitude dried up with thirst. Therefore the grave enlarges its appetite and opens its mouth without limit; into it will descend their nobles and masses with all their brawlers and revelers. So man will be brought low and mankind humbled, the eyes of the arrogant humbled.

Ezekiel 32:24
There is Elam and all her multitude, All around her grave, All of them slain, fallen by the sword, Who have gone down uncircumcised to the lower parts of the earth, Who caused their terror in the land of the living; Now they bear their shame with those who go down to the Pit.



THE DARKNESS OF HELL
Scripture talks about this darkness in Psalms 88:6
You have laid me in the lowest pit, In darkness, in the depths.

Revelation 16:10
Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom became full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues because of the pain.

Jude 1:13
Raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
And there is a darkness which may be felt, as shown in Exodus 10:21
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand toward the sky so that darkness will spread over Egypt—darkness that can be felt."
You can feel this darkness.
So these are some of the things we have to endure in Hell. In Isaiah 24:17 it says:
Fear and the pit and the snare are upon you, O inhabitant of the earth. And it shall be that he who flees from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit, and he who comes up from the midst of the pit shall be caught in the snare; for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth are shaken

THE HEAT OF HELL
The heat Is so intense, you can even describe it. It says in Deuteronomy 32:24
They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

Jude 1:7
as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Psalm 11:6
Upon the wicked He will rain coals; Fire and brimstone and a burning wind shall be the portion of their cup.

In Isaiah 57:21 it says:
"There is no peace," Says my God, “for the wicked.”


NACKEDNESS IN HELL
You are also naked in Hell. It is just another thing to have to endure. Shame! In
Ezekiel 32:24 it talks about shame in the pit.
There is Elam and all her multitude, all around her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, who have gone down uncircumcised to the lower parts of the earth, who caused their terror in the land of the living; Now they bear their shame with those who go down to the Pit.

And in Job 26:6
Sheol is naked before Him, and Destruction has no covering.

That means God can see into Hell, so it is observable to Him. But also you are naked in Hell, just another thing you have to go through.

DRYNESS IN HELL
There is no water in Hell, at all, no water. There's no humidity in the air and no water of any kind. It is so dry; you are desperate for a drop of water, just one. Just like the scripture says in Luke 16:23-24,
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’


Your body needs sleep. Rev 14:11 says,
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night,...

You never get to sleep. You can imagine how that is, never sleeping.

Regarding the water, in Zechariah 9:11,
...I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
Absolutely no water in Hell.

In Numbers 16:32 says,
and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the men with Korah, with all their goods.
That's were Hell is right now. Later Hell and Death will be cast into the Lake of Fire and then cast into Outer Darkness. That's after Judgment Day, but right now it is in the earth.

Jude 1:6 says,
"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;"


In Isaiah 38:18 it says,
"Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth."
No hope, and the truth is Jesus. He is the truth.

ALL THESE ARE SOME FACT ABOUT HELL ALONE, ALSO NOTE THERE IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN HELL AND LAKE OF FIRE
THIS COVERS HELL ALONE

macof: How do u know dat there's hell? Have u been there?

I believe in the conscious energy dat controls the universe.
I don't need to talk to God, wats d essence of my Ori if I can't use it.

Job 7:14 it says, "thou scarest me with dreams and terrifieth me with visions.
Jonah 2:2 it says, "in Hell he cried out." And In Jonah 2:6 it says, "the earth with her bars was about me forever, yet thou has brought up my life from corruption." So at least there was somebody in the Bible that experienced Hell, Jonah
Isaiah 24:22 it says: "And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison...." Each portion of hell has prison cell,
Proverbs 7:27 "they shall go down to Hell in the chambers of death"
By "Chambers" it means rooms. So part of Hell has prisons cells, chambers, pits of fire, and big areas of fire, so I was just in a prison cell at this time.
In Isaiah 14:9-10 it says
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? Art thou become like unto us?
Psalms 88:4
I am counted with those who go down to the pit; I am like a man who has no strength,

And we know that the devil does have strength, in the scriptures were there was a demon-man running through the graveyard, it says:Mark 5:1-4
Then they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. And when He had come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no one could bind him, not even with chains, because he had often been bound with shackles and chains. And the chains had been pulled apart by him, and the shackles broken in pieces; neither could anyone tame him.

They couldn't bind him; he had broken the chains into pieces. And that was just a man with a demonic strength. I understood these demons had about 1000 times the strength of a man. So even if you have your natural strength, you cannot have fought them off anyway.
2 Samuel 22:6 states:
The sorrows of Hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;
Psalms 74:20 it says:
Have respect to the covenant; For the dark places of the earth are full of the haunts of cruelty.

There are scriptures about the humiliation you have to endure. "you can't stop it!" In Isaiah 5:14-15
Therefore my people have gone into captivity, Because they have no knowledge; Their honorable men are famished, And their multitude dried up with thirst. Therefore the grave enlarges its appetite and opens its mouth without limit; into it will descend their nobles and masses with all their brawlers and revelers. So man will be brought low and mankind humbled, the eyes of the arrogant humbled.

Ezekiel 32:24
There is Elam and all her multitude, All around her grave, All of them slain, fallen by the sword, Who have gone down uncircumcised to the lower parts of the earth, Who caused their terror in the land of the living; Now they bear their shame with those who go down to the Pit.



THE DARKNESS OF HELL
Scripture talks about this darkness in Psalms 88:6
You have laid me in the lowest pit, In darkness, in the depths.

Revelation 16:10
Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom became full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues because of the pain.

Jude 1:13
Raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
And there is a darkness which may be felt, as shown in Exodus 10:21
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand toward the sky so that darkness will spread over Egypt—darkness that can be felt."
You can feel this darkness.
So these are some of the things we have to endure in Hell. In Isaiah 24:17 it says:
Fear and the pit and the snare are upon you, O inhabitant of the earth. And it shall be that he who flees from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit, and he who comes up from the midst of the pit shall be caught in the snare; for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth are shaken

THE HEAT OF HELL
The heat Is so intense, you can even describe it. It says in Deuteronomy 32:24
They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

Jude 1:7
as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Psalm 11:6
Upon the wicked He will rain coals; Fire and brimstone and a burning wind shall be the portion of their cup.

In Isaiah 57:21 it says:
"There is no peace," Says my God, “for the wicked.”


NACKEDNESS IN HELL
You are also naked in Hell. It is just another thing to have to endure. Shame! In
Ezekiel 32:24 it talks about shame in the pit.
There is Elam and all her multitude, all around her grave, all of them slain, fallen by the sword, who have gone down uncircumcised to the lower parts of the earth, who caused their terror in the land of the living; Now they bear their shame with those who go down to the Pit.

And in Job 26:6
Sheol is naked before Him, and Destruction has no covering.

That means God can see into Hell, so it is observable to Him. But also you are naked in Hell, just another thing you have to go through.

DRYNESS IN HELL
There is no water in Hell, at all, no water. There's no humidity in the air and no water of any kind. It is so dry; you are desperate for a drop of water, just one. Just like the scripture says in Luke 16:23-24,
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’


Your body needs sleep. Rev 14:11 says,
And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night,...

You never get to sleep. You can imagine how that is, never sleeping.

Regarding the water, in Zechariah 9:11,
...I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
Absolutely no water in Hell.

In Numbers 16:32 says,
and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the men with Korah, with all their goods.
That's were Hell is right now. Later Hell and Death will be cast into the Lake of Fire and then cast into Outer Darkness. That's after Judgment Day, but right now it is in the earth.

Jude 1:6 says,
"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;"


In Isaiah 38:18 it says,
"Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth."
No hope, and the truth is Jesus. He is the truth.

ALL THESE ARE SOME FACT ABOUT HELL ALONE, ALSO NOTE THERE IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN HELL AND LAKE OF FIRE
THIS COVERS HELL ALONE

HumbledbYGrace: Where were you when God created the Earth? All the germs and jewels were you there

I was not there when He created it, But his word let me understand that, by his word he made everything and without the word nothing were created, and his word has condemned the use of ornament because it has being handed over to the kingdom of darkness and it is defiles,(Ezk7:19-21) and Nothing defiles shall enter the kingdom of God, says the word again(rev21:27)
The word never ask us to use wedding ring, No the word of Man did, The word will be use to judge you and me and not the word of Man
AND JESUS IS THE WORD (John1:14)

HumbledbYGrace: Op do you wear a wrist watch? Do you wear a wedding band?

Even if your wedding ring is gold, and you died with it, it will hindered you

HumbledbYGrace: How is heaven described to us? Isn't it made of these jewels and gems we ardon ourselves with? Is it because people are not getting the word modest?

the gold and silver of this earth were the one polluted not the one in heaven

HumbledbYGrace: Some strong points raised here, but then again God is focusing on our hearts not our flesh. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing jewellery or make-up, because those chains, gold stuff were used so often in the old testament.

DO YOU WANT AN EXPLAINATION? I WILL GIVE TO YOU AND I PRAY FOR THE HOLYSPIRIT OF THE LORD TO EXPLAIN BETTER TO YOU (AMEN)
It has not being a problem until when they used it in calving an image. even before it was use to calve an image, it was regards as strage gods/Idol in the book of Genesis 35:1-4 35 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother.

2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments:

3 And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.

Remember even the lord was the one who encourage the people of Isrealite to collect the gold and jewelries from the people of Israel when they were about to leave Egypt, but when they buld a calf with in in Exodus, 32, it became a problem. God is a jeleous God, but because they share his glory with jewelries, then look at what the lord said in Exodus 33, God said he will no longer go with the people of Isreal, Exo33:4 And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments.

5 For the Lord had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

Each time God see the ornament on people, he feels jeleous. and because of that God reject it as his own in book of Ezikiel7:19
Ezekiel 7:19-21
King James Version (KJV)
19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
20 As for the beauty of his ornament, he set it in majesty: but they made the images of their abominations and of their detestable things therein: therefore have I set it far from them.
21 And I will give it into the hands of the strangers for a prey, and to the wicked of the earth for a spoil; and they shall pollute it

Also Zephiniah 1:8 I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

Do not forget what Apostle paul said in book of 1Timothy2:9 women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls,. NO PAUL WAS NOT MAKING A MISTAKE
Also 1 Peter3:3

macof: So because he doesn't believe hell is real, he would be thrown there.

It's like saying people shouldn't believe in heaven so dat they can be thrown there.

Do u see how senseless u are?

either you believe in hell or not, that will not stand as a reason why you should be there.
But without holiness, you will go there. And without believing in Jesus, you will go there
and you cant believe in Jesus without believing the bible, because the bible is Jesus himself (John1:14) ie Jesus is the word of God, and if you believe the bible, you will believe in hell, and if you dont believe in hell, you have deduct from the word of God, and if you deduct from the word of God, you will go to hell. May God help us

frosbel: Mary Baxter is a false prophet and her dreams or visions are either a lying wonder of Satan or an outright fraud.

do you have any proove? If you dont, and what she said is true, then you are sinning against the holyspirit. Be careful of wht you say bro, sining against the spirit of God can't be forgiven. I only used her as an example, there are many more, like 7colombia, Bill wiese, Jenifer perez etc, they all have it free on line, and not for commercialization. Like what many people, most expecially africa people, using God message for business. Even in Lagos Nigeria, people that dont have vision to talk about, after preaching the word of God, they collect money for the preaching, may God forgive us all. We are all sinners

Ukuts gp: heaven and hell are real. But those visions are fake cos it doesn't fit into the scripture. Hw can they claim they saw servants of God who hv passed on roasting in hell. It is really crazy.

you can fall at any level. God is not a respecter of anyman. Even satan dont respect you, that's why the bible said, many will try to enter trough the gate but will not be able. Who are the many? believers of Christ
dont think because you are a general overseer you cant go to hell.
I've heard of a general overseer who has preached holyness for 30yrs but unable to enter because of anger, and a pastor that died in car accident and was taken to motuary for 3days but woke up, was unable to enter because he fail to forgive his wife after she slaped her, also a pastor that fail to help the poor in the church even when they come to him for help, he will only pray for them, he was unable to enter. All this reason were all confirmed in the bible, so think of it, a bishop can end up there

Ukuts gp: so people now know the location of hell now? Amazing!
That place can be used for tourist attraction o. People have to pay to see hw it looks like. Isn't it? Na business be dat o. Nna

bible also testify to it, you decend when going to hell, but you ascend when going to heaven

macof: I reject christianity for my future children if the bolded could be their thoughts

I'm not asking you to accept christainity, because millions of christains will still end up in hell.
What I mean is, do you believe in God? If you did, talk to him as a child talk to his father, he will hear you

Mintayo: Well,I believe there is heaven and hell and that unbelievers will be put in hell,but all theses visions? We need a break.
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Come to think of it when the rich man asked Abraham to send someone to his brothers,Abraham told him that prophets and the scriptures are enough for them to believe(paraphraed by me)...So i don't know why some people wld have to wait for someone to go to hell and come back with the news of Heaven and hell before they can believe,it shows the level of their walk with God,so shallow!

The lord knew what he's doing. Truely he said that, but because of his love for man kind and to let people understand how horible it is, he remember his word in joel2:28. God is a God of his word.
People dont fear hell, reading the bible explaination. Eg
Before many believer belive hell is just a fire, but these revelation is to explain how dangerous and horrible hell is to lukwarm christains. God keep showing us vision so that we will choose either to go or not, and also how little sin people dont count can lead us there so that he will be justify
psalm51:4b so that thou art justified in thy sentence and blameless in thy judgement.
Any revelation that will make you to respect God and even fear him the more and get serious in serving him are true

Atigba: May be you have been to hell or your Grandfather.THERE IS NO HELL FIRE..

bro hell is real, and without Jesus, you can go there. I remember posting a thread about some researchers that dug a hole of man miles that, they could not continue because of the heat, and crying of millions of people, that they even recorded the sound. That is even physical,
I love you bro, but if you fail to believe now, and you die and you saw it, it will be too late to come back to life
pray to God, perhaps he can show you the true way. If you believe there is one God, and he's God of Abraham, tell him you are confuse, and he should tell you the true way. I'm sure he will, but only when you are pure in heart
Jesus is the true way to salvation

Ukuts gp: The way people see visions of heaven and hell this days is becoming too rampant. I begin to ask myself this question that, why didn't Lazarus and others who woke up from the dead miraculously in the bible did not went to heaven and hell to see how it look like and begin to tell the story of their encounter in heaven and hell to generate money. Is it that there is no hell or heaven at that time? Or the people of that time did not need the warning of hell-fire? Or maybe it was just a religious propaganda by our modern pastors and Evangelist? or is it another avenue to make money for themselves by selling the CDs and books? Or perhaps, the word of God is not complete that it require some visions to embellish it? Many questions to ask these visioneers. I cant understand this recent development of seeing visions of heaven and hell here and there.

And the worst thing is that those people normally claim to have seen servants of God such as Benson Idahosa, Bimbo Odukoya and others who had passed on languishing in hell-fire just to make some money. I pity them. GOD is nt the author of confusion, his word is enough for us.

And again this people contradict the teaching of paul concerning the resurrection of the dead in the last days. 1 corinthians 15.

One thing i know is that those visions are all false and ficticious. They are all man-made stories and therefore should be discarded. Galatians 1:6-10. Read ur bible which is the word of God and that should be enough. Dnt let those people mislead u.

Drop ur comments now and let us sought this thing out.

Read John 11.

nice observation. But first i will like to correct you of one thing
any sin commited against the holy spirit can not be forgiven. If it's true or not you are not sure, then dont go to the extent of calling it lies. Instead you say can it be true? So that you dont sin against the holyspirit because if it's true, and you call it lie, then you are sinning against the holyspirit.
Also dont forget the fact that the bible said in the book of joel2:28 it shall come to pass that I'll pour out my spirit, your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old shall men shall dream, and your young men shall see visions.
Dont forget that, this is the time the bible was refering to.
John belove saw a vision and it became book of revelation, also Daniel wrote about his vision, etc
Truely, Lazarus, Dorcas, etc died and came back to life, but doesnt mean they never saw anything when they died. If they didnt see anything, then there is no life after death. Even any of their word was not recorded in the bible, and that doesnt mean, they didn't see anything.
Even Jesus himself talk about the man who he saw in heaven and in hell (rich man and Lazarus)
satan may have set up some people to forge lies I cant dispute that, because I heard about a man who claim to go to hell and heaven and said, there is nothing bad for women to dress like jezebel, we dont need to allow the holy spirit to tell us if he's telling lies or true, cos we self know that.

A man taken to the mortuary for 3days after car accident and later came back to life, and doctor show every record about his death, he was condem to hell because he didnt forgive his wife after she slap her. We dont need holyspirit to tell us if its true or false because All fact about his condemnation are in the bible, ie forgive.
The mistake many people do now is they exalt vision of hell and heaven than the word of God, it's not to be so. Jesus love us truely and will not want any to perish, so I believe he's only given expo to help us escape hell.
I've read about 8yrs girl and many teenagers even here in nigeria that has seen the vision of hell and heaven, and doesnt mean they are lies, but their vision is to help us to be more serious on this righteous path.
Finally, becos God show you hell and heaven, doesnt mean you are save, you can still end up in hell.
E.g.
Nebuchadnezar saw vision of endtime but was not save
pharoah saw vision
Balam Ass even saw angel but ass cant be saved and many more.
It is very bad to make money out of what God gave to you, it was given to you freely, it doesnt mean you are save or not, making cd and selling to make money for yourself is very bad.
Mary K Baxter was taken to hell and heaven, but she posted her expirience on net, both audio, video and pdf, and she even wrote pls read copy and share, she made it free. May God forgive us all, we are all sinners

frosbel: No Man or Woman can lead the church , the church is led by Jesus Christ who is the head, one head, not two

Any Man who says he leads the church of Christ is an apostate usurper.

we are not talking of spiritual now, we already know that Christ is the head of the church, but We cannot sit in the congegration and expect christ to come down phisicaly and lead the service.
The lord will use man, to direct the service and speak trough him

ref mcrevil.org

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world (Eph6:12)
We live in an evil world, Learn to fast, Pray Be careful, else your spiritual live may be weaken.

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As on other objects, satan and his agents make a lot of incantations on the food and drinks which we consume, with the aim of possessing us by their impure spirits, if not to establish a link through which they can reach us.

Food

The food that the world consumes thus constitutes great open doors for satan to ruin humanity. Satan's agents put in all their efforts to carry out abominable practices on the food that we consume. So we need to be very careful with what we eat, and there is a wide range of foods that we need to avoid as much as we can.

It is about all the food or products that are sold already ground (chopped, mixed), or transformed (canned food, ready-made meal), because satan and his agents make sure that real abominations are ground and sold on the markets. Do not be surprised therefore that there are many sicknesses today, including those whose names are unknown. You often hear of food poisoning, arising from normal foods that are supposed to do good to man.

Almost all the world consumes rubbish, that is, things that cannot be named. Satanists often make sure they mix the food on the market with all the possible dirt.

Minced meats and mixed food

A lot of minced meats or mixed food are mixed with some human flesh, aimed at initiating those who eat them into witchcraft. Many products that you buy already ground or crushed, like corned-beef, cooked ham, pâtés, sausages, and others, are usually mixed with all forms of rottenness. It's the same with ready to eat babies' meals in small jars: All these abominations full of terrible incantations, aim at soiling the whole world, and at inflicting many diseases or demonic possessions on those who consume them.

Canned food

Many types of canned food that you buy on the markets are made of human and animal dead bodies, and foetus. In some Asian countries, many agents of satan have embarked on the business of foetus and other dead bodies. Aborted babies are transformed into canned foods, and flood all the markets of the whole world, and people are crazy about it. Be careful with canned food! A large portion of these aborted babies are served as food in Asian restaurants wherever they are based all over the world. If only people could know what they eat every time!

It's the same thing with some sardines. You find tinned sardines and/or tuna on which it is written "queen of the coast". Do not think that this is just a simple advertisement. Most of these sardines are not sardines at all. Pay attention to what you buy. Be careful! Now that you have been warned, take your precautions.

Ready-made meal, sauces and seasonings

Be careful with roasted or fried or well prepared meat that you buy, all ready made. Some of these meats are far from being what is being presented before you. Be careful with the food they serve you in hotels and restaurants, be careful with foods served in your work place canteens, in school canteens and the foods sold in colleges, high schools, and primary schools. Be careful with all ready-made food.

Other products such as ketchups, jams, aromas, salad dressings, spices, and other seasonings, are most often mixed with human blood, powders of human flesh, and other rottenness. Magi cubes, stock cubes, and many other ground ingredients are subject to the same treatment. All this with the goal of soiling the world, and initiating into witchcraft people not covered with the blood of Jesus, and all those who are negligent.


Pollutions by various human excrements

Many traders to be successful in their businesses, sign pacts with satan; and satan often asks them to carry out horrible practices so as to attract customers. Some women often put their menses in the food they sell every time, together with many other incantations, according to the instructions they receive from witch doctors, to attract customers. Other traders pour human faeces and urines in foods, with some other incantations, to attract customers. By the grace of God, many of such satanic networks have been caught and exposed in many countries.

You see at times shopkeepers, generally specialised in the food business like restaurants, cafeterias and other cheap restaurants, with large crowd surrounding them in such a way that you begin to wonder what is so delicious or special in the dishes they prepare so as to attract such a large crowd; it is due to the terrible incantations they make resulting from the numerous pacts they sign with witch doctors. Only God knows what they serve to people.

There are so many examples and testimonies on this subject that if we were to enumerate all of them, this teaching would be very long. Nevertheless, let me give you an example.

It is a case of food contamination which is in the hands of the Illinois police in the United States. An American newspaper reported this disturbing story which took place at Wheaton North High School in the Illinois on December 6th, 2006. A 17-year-old pupil, discreetly ejaculated into a bottle of ranch salad dressing which was to be served during lunch time on that day. He admitted his action after being questioned by police; but we are unsure as to how many people consumed that salad dressing.

Another Example is A lady from Philippines who has killed many people and kept all the parts of her victim in her refrigerator and eats them later on A lady from east of Asian is killing people and keep their meat on her Refrigerator. She is enjoying eating human body meat. Also she said that she had made so many party for her relative with guest And gave them this human meat to eat without they know
Her guest said that they found very good taste of this lady cooking with out They know which type of meat she has cooked for them. And some of them Also he doesn't know that he will be the next victim for her. She killed her husband for that. Later on, she was caught by the Police
Attached below is the lady picture


This case, beloved, is only a drop in the ocean, given the number of thousands of others of the same kind, who are not often caught. But if the Lord allows that such cases reach our ears, it's to help us to believe that satan and his agents are indeed in action, so that we take our precautions. Time is really over and the enemy knows that he has only got but few days left. Be careful and do no longer open doors to him in order to be initiated.

Conclusion: Learn to prepare your own food!

The few elements already named, are enough to make you understand the gravity of the wickedness and the cruelty of satan and his agents. Flee from all those public places that prepare ready-made food. Know that you eat abominations in those places, and through these abominations, you are initiated. These dirt that you swallow constitute wide open doors to satan in your life. For those of you who have house servants, you also need to watch. Many domestic servants are great agents of satan, and they cause you to eat these same abominations even in your own house

God2man: The Church of God is in a mess. Let's continue to pray for revival in Nigeria. We are really in a sorry state.
God bless you.@ Highyo, keep on the firing line.
God bless you, again. God2man

I love you God2Man, I can see the spirit of God in you, truly, by their fruit, ye shall know them

PrettyGaby: really? in this err vision where he said we can't wear jeans, did he tell you what was sinful about the jeans? and since i can't use thread, can i lock my hair, abi that one go gimme special room for hell?

The issue of Jeans, if truly you have given your life to Christ, the holy spirit will guide you to all truth.
I don't have any other trouser except jeans when I was in the world, I just started drawing back from it little by little that I don't even have any again. I didn't know how it happen, it just happened. when I came about this testimony, it was then that I knew why it happened.
But your second question, I will not answer you, because you have not ask in the right way