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By simple obedience

Datsall

How would you describe this exactly in a short way?

I think that the Bible should not be changed but that good preachers are needed. That is just what they are for.

So is this the whole complete deal? Saw some other good posts too.

until page 8:

https://www.nairaland.com/3307679/bromleigh-mccleneghan-sex-before-marriage/7#48815243

autolearner:
My Pastor Would Always Say, If It Is Not in the Bible, DO NOT follow it![/b]

This is just what I was thinking. Though to be honest it does not seem sound at times to let things just depent on that. Not in the least place because of Bible teachers. It should be visible if this last remark is sound or not. A lot of people are not happy about the Bible. I don't see that this is necessarily the mistake of the Bible.

autolearner:

Once there is a biblical backing for this, then it's good. But so far, i have not found one!


Id*&#s who call themselves pastors in a bid to tell this new (#artnotNudity) generation what they want to hear and fleece them will go to any length to twist and turn the bible. Reminds me of a time when an ex told me she'd like to be a muse for a topless shoot. I simply told her to walk and never look back. We can't abound in sin and ask for grace to continue.



These verses of the bible sums it all up;

2 Timothy 4:3-4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


2 Peter 2:1-3

1. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

I don't think this can be refuted. I posted it here originally. https://www.nairaland.com/3302390/scoan#48817284 Below I added "common" in the first thing. This is my original view on this.

>Go out of the world:
This does not mean too little space for things that have to do with functioning well and normal things of life. There are no people left to be the world. No one opposes a common spiritual house that is correct. Or real right principles of what to do with lust.

>All is sin all is useless:
This is useless in the meaning of sin. Not as Ecclesiastes says.

>Lust is sin:
This is unfoundable. There has to be a clear reason why.

>The whole of Christianity is seeing this wrong:
This is probably true. (...)
Or say or show something why not. That the whole of christianity is seeing this wrong is no reason why it would be right.

>This is how Christ fulfilled the law, and based it on understanding. Not time or locally based circumstances.
Matthew 22:37
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

>As becomes clear throughout the Old testament and New testament:
Romans 14 : 14B
nothing is unclean in itself

>There are dangers, yes. 1 Corinthians 6 is about sexual immorality. It can be something to be careful about.
1 Corinthians 6 : 12
“I have the right to do anything,”

And my basic view about this is, that if it is true. I think it is, but still what most people say has an influence. This is simply how it works.
That it should change everywhere. So in the whole of Christianity. My point is that the common Christian view is not sound about this.

If you would start reasoning about how to prevent some accident in religion, it could, yes come down to allowing something that 2 Timothy 4:3-4 and 2 Peter 2:1-3 describes. Be it in all cases in a controllable way. Or even in the best case something that looks like it, but just is not that. Because of this, what I placed above here too. I formatted italic what I mean, the part.

>Go out of the world:
This does not mean too little space for things that have to do with functioning well and normal things of life. There are no people left to be the world. No one opposes a common spiritual house that is correct. Or real right principles of what to do with lust.

I mean "hurr durr" so to speak. No one cares about whether or not there is or is not a number one superior Being. If there is, all right, what does He say, that sort of things. If it is acceptable and things look true and also acceptable in other areas, there will be no one that is not interested. At least basically. Because this is not useful. And I'm sure that God means the workable, sound thing. Always. One other important principle to recognise God by is that no one gets exploited as a rule of thumb. So what is ''sound''? It must be something described in this paragraph.

Anyway, it is this dumb problem of maybe even 1000s of years. It is sure God exists. He basically always confirms this in general by healing miracles, prophecies and apparitions. But this shows how some things depend on people's intelligent and inspired initiatives, views and saying it. And in some correct way.

How communication with God works is also this mistake in Christianity. I mean how it is known. Or it can lead to problems.

I wasn't completely happy about these, but post them anyway

http://imgur.com/a/lJaTI
http://imgur.com/a/iM6zl

The location can be checked by google maps. Rijnzichtbrug, Leiden, Netherlands. This is the left side of the bridge, how Google loaded it on my desktop.

quintybabe:
Am sorry but I find it difficult to comprehend what you have written. can you please rephrase, so they I can understand you better, thanks

Before I saw your post I modified this:

I feel I should explain or say this: I am posting in the South now. This works more flexible then in the North. This is objective. I mean to show what I see. To get the above view accepted, or in a more acceptable way, it should get sufficient support Northwards. I don't know what anyone can do with this. Just that here it COULD be of interest.

And added the ''t'' that was not there in: ,,It should get suff.....''

Could you point to something so that I see what you mean exactly?

(First post in this thread for reference https://www.nairaland.com/3307679/bromleigh-mccleneghan-sex-before-marriage/7#48778442)

quintybabe:
I have a question for those encouraging premarital sex. Does good sex guarantee a happy home? Does it mean nothing can go wrong in marriage as long as the sex is good among partners?

So this is really postmarital sex

It is not a guarantee, but it contributes. It COULD be a guarantee. It makes things more workable. Being based with one partner is ok because of a number of reasons. Without the erotisism problem the position of a partner can be allocated much better. Because with it there is much less (too little) self control. EVEN: one can change the partner to be based with from a Christian perspective. If understanding the great commandment. The part about God is vague in general. But this can be solved.

Erotisism can be compared with eating.

Eating --> about life
Erotisism --> reproduction, also life
Of course there is space to choose and do anything that is preferred.

I feel I should explain or say this: I am posting in the South now. This works more flexible then in the North. This is objective. I mean to show what I see. To get the above view accepted, or in a more acceptable way, it should get sufficient support Northwards. I don't know what anyone can do with this. Just that here it COULD be of interest.

Interesting, I just made a thread here https://www.nairaland.com/3302390/scoan#48722344 about this. It has some Bible texts.
Some other thing is all the specialities. It actually seems that all have the same basic feelings about this. Proof right away is complex, I think. But there are examples. Mostly from real life. Like in prisons. The ancient Greek society. Or the Roman one. Some other important thing I feel I can't say. Some other is how it would not be a striking idea as natural birth control. Pills that do that do not grow from some tree. Naturally. But that is more the idea now.

Saying something about this sort of thing draws in immediately. Unless known that it does this. So anything can hardly be said about it. I don't have to do anything anyone else doesn't. I don't have any special preferences.

Omudia:
Hello... i also had the opportunity to visit the Scoan a couple times last year and yes, it was a wonderful experience.

why didn't you say your name or country of citizenship?

I heard it is confusing sometimes if it is true how people identify. I will post a photo with date and Nairaland forum later on.

I saw this too, posted a reply. Looks right and interesting https://www.nairaland.com/3300967/questions-sex-relation-god#48707558 Though not sure yet. I would have to read it.

Is it dangerous to say something about this? If someone who reads this is interested in that, I hope it is said. So I can take it into account. Mistakes in Christianity is something that is basically horrid to talk about to church leaders in some way. Unless with at least peace and a good circumstance in mind.

I think the whole of Christianity has a problem. And erotisism has this central position in it. I think that another thing is other Abrahamic religions. I think it is so cringy how it is all split. And all the arguments and war. But I don't mean I want to say something about this.

This subject "erotisism". I would have to see the first time to be refuted about this. So be it the Bible or something from real life. This is my conclusion so far. ">" means a known issue or point.


>Go out of the world:
This does not mean too little space for things that have to do with functioning well and normal things of life. There are no people left to be the world. No one opposes a spiritual house that is correct. Or real right principles of what to do with lust.

>All is sin all is useless:
This is useless in the meaning of sin. Not as Ecclesiastes says.

>Lust is sin:
This is unfoundable. There has to be a clear reason why.

>The whole of Christianity is seeing this wrong:
This is probably true. (...)
Or say or show something why not. That the whole of christianity is seeing this wrong is no reason why it would be right.

>This is how Christ fulfilled the law, and based it on understanding. Not time or locally based circumstances.
Matthew 22:37
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

>As becomes clear throughout the Old testament and New testament:
Romans 14 : 14B
nothing is unclean in itself

>There are dangers, yes. 1 Corinthians 6 is about sexual immorality. It can be something to be careful about.
1 Corinthians 6 : 12
“I have the right to do anything,”

I was also thinking of this with this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3302390/scoan

Dear readers,

I'm someone from Europe, the Netherlands. I visited, and watch the SCOAN in Lagos. I'm a Christian and interested in talking about the SCOAN and things that I think are related or other things. This church has an extraordinary position. I'm looking for people that go there. But because of the position of this church this would be anyone also interested in this church.

I am someone that understands more of Christianity than most other Christians. And has a better view on this than other Christians or atheists. I think the SCOAN is probably one of or the best church in the world. In the end because of the healing and prophecy ministry. It sort of closes any questions about does or does God not exist.

But Christianity also has mistakes. The SCOAN basically keeps these. And I don't think this ministry or any other ministry has an option if it is about that. Still especially because people here are so closely involved in this ministry and because it shuts down any questions about whether or not God exists it is interesting to talk about this. I posted this sort of thing elsewhere too. And now I think it is interesting to post this here.