Scholar8200:
Paul! Persecuted and misrepresented in life and even in death by the religionists!

in what way have I misinterpreted what paul claimed in romans 3:10,if u can't substantiate ur claim then dnt claim he is misinterpreted,I'm willing to listn 2 ur very well interpreted claim.....1)did paul claim we can't b righteous according to the law..yes h did (2)did he copy paste several sciptures ...yes he did 3)if u can't shw me wher it is written in d hebrew scriptures that "there is non righteous" then u have no case..stay blessed

A fellow nairalander said I dey "kolo" in my previous post because I choose to test everytin in d bible with the words of jesus I let jesus decide if I dey kolo .Paul says in 2cor4:2 we have renounced sinful ways,we do not use deception nor do we distort the word of God...but this is far frm d truth,paul is a master craftmans in distorting the word of God..I speak a lie u say? Then read on with me..when paul says something is written in d hebrew scriptures,it is paramount we check it ourselves,even doublecheck and triple check...this is just 1 of the various misquotations of paul,paul wanting to prove to the romans than u can't b righteous by following the laws of God wrote in ROMANS 3:10to23...this verse is part of Paul's quote from Psalm 14 that he used as proof that man cannot keep the Law to become righteous. Here is the entire piece of Scripture that Paul uses in Romans 3:10-23

As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seek after God. They have all gone out of the way; they have together become unprofitable; there is none who does good, no not one. Their throat is an open tomb; with their tongues they have practiced deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips; whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; destruction and misery are in their ways; and the way of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes." Romans 3:10-18 
But guess what alas!!! Paul's apparent direct quote from Scripture that is supposed to prove to us that no one is righteous, but all are full of evil doesn't exist!! ...paul decietfully stringed together single sentences from 6 different passages in the bible as if they where a statement.these are the passages psalm14:1-3,psalm5:9,psalm140:3,psalm10:7,isaiah59:7-8,psalm36:1
Still don't believe let's take a look at 1 of the scriptures psalm 14:1-5 in its full context...The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God". They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven upon the children of men to see if there are any who understand, who seek God.  They have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is none who does good, NO, NOT ONE. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, who eat up my people as they eat bread, and do not call on the Lord? There they are in great fear, for God is with the generation of the RIGHTEOUS.    Psalm 14:1-5   
God is in the generation of the RIGHTEOUS" wow...these are the same people paul claims do not exist. Still don't believe read on,mayb I just hate paul and I'm stupid..let's see if jesus of nazareth agrees with paul on being no "righteous".jesus says in matt 23:35 And so upon you will come all the RIGHTEOUS blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of RIGHTEOUS Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar....did jesus just call abel and zechariah who kept the law righteous!!!! I'm sure he must be jokin...luke 5:32 I have not come to call the RIGHTEOUS, but sinners to repentance.”Mark 2:17 "it is nt the healthy who need a doctor but the sick,I have not come to call the RIGHTEOUS but sinner to repentance...did jesus just mention righteous people thrice I don't think so.Mayb since u luv paul so much than jesus,the words of jesus aren't enough...there are over 78 bible passages that speak abt the RIGHTEOUS,a people paul claims do not exists,mayb now u will listen to a few others psalm112:6 surely the RIGHTEOUS will never be shaken,they will be remembered for ever...james5:16 the prayer of a RIGHTEOUS person is powerfull and effective...psalm34:19 the RIGHTEOUS may have many troubles but the lord delivers him from them all...proverbs 10:30-32The righteous will never be uprooted but the wicked will not remain in the land. From the mouth of the righteous comes the fruit of wisdom,but a perverse tongue will be silenced.
The lips of the righteous know what finds favor but the mouth of the wicked only what is perverse....jesus,david,solomon,james all say there are righteous people,paul says the aren't...if u still claim paul is inspired then mayb u need to listen more to jesus....more misqoutations frm paul coming in part2

Weah96:


Once again, you're not here to defend an amorphous God. God to me means the source of the universe, whatever it was. Everyone already knows that the universe had a point of origin. Some people, including myself, choose to refer to that source as God.

You're here to defend the Bible version of what the God is. The Bible says that Yahweh is God, he speaks to human beings, and is willing to provide evidence either directly to the skeptic, or indirectly through your signs and wonders.

...u already knw there is a God,ur halfway tru,ur prob now is with yahweh,lemme say this I'm not here to defend the bible version of God but the jesus version of God who judges righteously,compassionate,whose creations have despised him and become evil...since u already knw dere is a God,just live a gud life and guess what u just might be lucky to be saved when the son of man descends down with glory to judge mankind.and when he descends all mankind will see him...that wld be enough proof for u I guess??

Weah96:


You already know that human beings come from sexual intercourse. To doubt that my grandparents exist is too admit that you don't know how humans are formed.

Check out the bolded question above. Once again you're ignoring your position as a theist on the matter.
Theists don't just say that a god created the universe. The Bible represents an even bigger claim than that. They claim to have made contact with the god, it speaks English, and it was the god's idea to record his conversation for others to read later.

This, by the way, is in spite of the fact that the god is in your bedroom daily, speaking to you.

b4 I reply u any furthr which I wld luv 2,I wld luv 2 knw ur stand because u confuse me a lot with ur writeup are u an athiest or agnostic ..cos this 2 groups both hav thir various baggage as do I...lemme determin d ailment so I can prescribe a drug.

Weah96:


Subatomic particles don't obey our physical laws. It is possible doesn't mean that the event occurred. You guys are the only one asserting something with 200% certainty. We admit ignorance, and try to come up with ideas and suggestions that are compatible with reality.

You claim to have a manual for human life which was dictated by the creator of the universe. Why can't you understand how big of a claim that is? If you decide to tell me tomorrow that Blue Ivy, Beyonce's child, is really your baby, that claim would be extremely ridiculous. But it still would pale in comparison to the "god told someone to tell us" claim that you expect me to believe.
Don't get me wrong, it's entirely possible that the source of the universe is a talking being who spoke a long time ago to Jews and told them to compose a book.
All you have to do now is show me why I should listen to you. I'm willing to concede defeat in the face of reliable evidence.

Owkay ...to the man I luv to rply so much. u always claim u have an open mind but u need prove to believe, I also need proof to believe ur great great grandparents exists of course there could be a possibility dat a big bang f notin happened and created them,y are u so sure they were given birth d normal way as humans do??,the point where u athiest don't get is this,for a subatomic particle not to obey our physical laws,there has to be another law which it obeys and dat law is God...like I always say take a bunch of pins,pointd nails,paper,water,oil and throw them all at once in ur room on ur bed,ur wall sockets,ur extensions..and stay in it for a week and see the amount f catastrophe u will cause for ur life,even the world u live in is enough proof it was created by a supreme being that has put in all dna's distinct characteristics or behaviours,a camel will never run faster than a horse,an antelope will never eat a lion,trees will never walk,elephants will never be carnivorous,the sun will never cm out at nite,and d moon by day...even u a fellow creator u should knw dis,trains don't reverse,ships dnt move on land,cars can't mve on water...if u as a human can see all these created by ur own hands and knw they didnt explode from a bigbang of nothing...y is it so difficult for u to believe dat a supreme being created all dese tins u see,knwin fully well they have similar mechanics with what uve created with ur own hands.like I always say "nothing happens frm tin air,there will always be a cause and effect,trace it back to anywhere in histry u wish,if there is an "effect "then there is a cause.

Weah96:


Everyone speaks of him because he is a main character in a popular book.

"My grandparents are real because I exist. There is a logical progression of events which necessitates my existence."

I've never witnessed him speak to you myself, so once again, you have to put on an appropriate demonstration similar to what Elijah did. Otherwise, you just have to wait until the god tells you something to tell me.

...nicewrite up...buh I don't believe ur grandparents exists,u might probably just make them appear to me right now to prove ur point,jst d way u want me to send down fire frm heaven after all as uve said "I've never witnessed ur grandparents living b4"even if I give u an assignment to prove to me that ur great great grandparents exists u wouldn't still be a 100% able to convince me.u claim "My grandparents are real because I exist. There is a logical progression of events which necessitates my existence."Then what is so illogical abt the fact that a god created a being and frm them other beings have existence..y don't u believe that mayb ur grandparents didn't have parents but where formed frm a big bang of nothing,I still wonder y after thousands f years,new creatures,mountains,rivers,trees, haven't gradually sprang out of nothin ...I wld like to ask u sum questions......
1)I wld lik u 2 mention just 1 thing that has happened miraculous on its own without a force acting on it with at least 90% proof. 2)An animal that has changed its specie over the years. 3)3)Do u believe in supernatural forces eg demons,witches,angels,ghosts??

solite3:
You need God's mercies at this point in your life

of course we all need Gods mercy,I'm a disciple of jesus of nazareth...if u luv him u wld listn to his voice..stay blessed

johnydon22:


Alright brother it's obvious you just want to argue [even it means arguing with the wrong information and ignorance] you just want to protect your beliefs, i am not on an attack against beliefs here.

so i cannot help you, i suggest you humbly seek to learn first before vying to discuss, mind you i said discuss not argue.

But as it stands now i cannot help you

u can help in enlightening me since I'm ignorant as u claim by just answering my singular question then I move on ...are subatoms nothing??

johnydon22:


When like 200 years ago? You really need to check again my brother cus the atom has been split so many times that it is now common to do so.

Like i said it's obvious i cannot help you here since you don't even know atom is not the smallest unit of matter but yet derives a stance of argument on things you don't know.

I have nothing to add.

hahah whatevr u claim evn if it can be brken down into subatoms as I've clearly seen,that doesn't prove the point that its nothing...

johnydon22:
I stopped replying mentions when i notice they are based upon premises such a person is ignorant of, you shouldn't have bothered.

what people fail to grasp is, if you take the universe and everything to a state of nothingness, that means nothing exists and if nothing exists then there are no laws, not motion, not cause and effect or gravity, thermodynamics because there is nothing.

so if there is no cause and effect law then the universe even universes are fully capable of generating themselves.

secondly 'CAUSE and Effect' also is epileptic in the quantum scale; subatomic particles has been noticed to speed up all by themselves without any external force acting on them, particles pop in and out of existence (quantum fluctuation)

but yet science does not propose nothing, theist only think "nothing" because that which science propose is not "God"



Exactly and we do not know of events before the Big Bang or even the nature of the universe we live in

if there are certain critical amount of matter in the universe then universe will continue to expand forever.

if there are more matter in the universe then the gravitational effect will be enough to reverse the expansion and thus crunching everything back into a small point.

which if is correct science then thinks the universe is an eternal cycle, expansion,;contraction and expansion.. this big bang then might not be the first; only or last...



sure 3spartial dimensions plus time

it's a waste of time teaching one who pull off scientific conjectures they don't even understand just to argue.

seriusly I think u read to much ...Lemme address all what uve just said because u claim we thiest are always speculating...u claim if the universe is in a state of nothingness with no cause or effect,thermodynamics,or force of gravity..I'm wondering if I'm confused,hw can u claim a universe has nothing then particles pop in and out of existence of nothin,pls where are the particles coming frm because they hav to cum frm sumwhere ryt,last time I checkd atom is the smallest unit of matter,so of course since its a unit its alife and not "nothin" ,I also wonder when the universe will actualise d certain critical amount of matter cos I'm still waiting for another bigbang..aint all dese also speculations?

Weah96:


You have put forth the argument for deism. What you have yet to address is the existence of Yahweh as this creator in question.
Even if an open minded person is willing to concedea deliberate design by an unknown source, you must still show them why the source is Yahweh.

You are tasked with providing proof that Yahweh exists. Everyone already knows that the universe had a beginning and may choose to interpret that information according to his own discretion. You must show me why the beginning was in fact the resurrected Jew from Palestine called Jesus.

...I'm going to give u a task to determine if my wife exists.....3 hours gone no reply!!!...u will never knw because uve never spoken to her,neither have u seen her,or knw her name..buh she is ryt here on my bed...so is it with my yahweh I speak with him,and I see his answers In my everyday life and his name is yahweh...lemme ask u sum else uve never seen ur great grandparents ryt ,y don't u walk up 2 ur dad and say they don't exists,because uve never seen dem or spoken to them,or hw does ur dad knw ur surname is really the name u are supposd to bear,ur dad believes since that was the name he was told and that goes up to ur grandparents and down to the big bang of notin u where created frm...whether u will ever believee or not yahweh spoke to pipo in d past,he is still speaking today...the fact evry1 speaks of him shws he exists...and sumtin u get wrong the bible is not a 100% proof money back gaurantee guide that shws God exist.its a road map that shws hw pipo in the past had a relationship with him by being righteous,it encourages u to do same then u will see him through the words of jesus christ "read his teachings no man spoke and will ever be able to speak like him"...ifu find a man who speaks like jesus I wld luv 2 meet him..God bless

lordnicklaus:
There actually weren't any atheists on the boat in Jonah's story. In fact every man called out to his god (Jonah 1:5) @ hturb.

...its y I said in times of trouble every1 wants a helper..even athiest will call on watever to deliver them.

thehomer:


Okay. Why is Yahweh so evil?

...pls b4 I reply u,I need to knw ur definition of evil?

Over the years I've come to realise that the problm of christianity can be generalised into 3 major heads 1)paul 2)bible 3)pastors..if disciples of God will only just listen to yeshua of nazareth probs of wearin trousers or earrings,tithing,trinity,homosexuality,masturbation,covering of hair,hell,praying tru mary,sabbathrest,rapture,firstfruith,christmas,having a pastor or not,prayin in public,eating of pork..wld easily b handled...christains oftn claim dere r no divisions in d churches...all u hav to do is go into a catholic church and scream "trinity is a hoax,prayin tru mary is a sin"..or into a protestant church and say "pastor who take tithes are thieves,jesus says he should be our only pastor"...I believe they might b bloodshed...1corinthians 14:33 says God is not the author of confusion,christains nd to realise that Truth will never contradict itself,christains need to tests spirits according to the word of God which is jesus christ 1st john 4:1...john 5:19“Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does...all what jesus did he saw frm yahweh his father,he nevr spoke his wn words buh the words he heard d father speak..john14:10,john 12:49,john 8:42..unlike moses who gave some laws out of d hardness of d isrealites heart matt19;8,or paul who doesn't speak as jesus would but as a fool 2cor11:17,or paul who doesn't hear frm God bt gives his own opinion 1cor7:12,25...pls who ever sees paul shld tell him to keep quiet whn he hasn't heard jesus speak!!!christains also need to realise that the greek word "piomen" was translated as both shepherd and pastor,so whn u are praying and u say "God bless my pastor" u are telling God ur pastor is a shepherd!! David knew this that is why he spoke in psalm23 "the lord is my pastor I shall not want" he never claimed prophet nathan or samuel was his shepherd jesus said in john10:11 that he is the good shepherd all odas are hirelings"...who are hirelings? Thy are people who are paid to take care of sheep,whaat happens when they see a wolf? Of course they run away..guess which hireling gets paid to preach to us and take our tithes?? U guessed right PASTORS...on the mount of transfiguration moses and elijah appeared representing the law and the prophets...and a voice said "this is my son LISTEN to him,not paul or paul or paul or paul as we do in our churches over and over again.

Weah96:


You must be willing to provide an Elijah type demonstration to prove your point. Elijah arrived at an impasse with the prophets of Baal and challenged them all to provide proof of their god Baal.

However, if there happens to be a revelation in the Bible which compels an open minded person to accept that the knowledge necessarily came from an omnipotent talking being, feel free to submit that as evidence.

What I mean is that, a talking Creator of everything would have anticipated skepticism and made arrangements to dispel those doubts in the writings.

For example, Olumba Olumba claims to have created everything, the entire universe. Your natural instinct upon hearing his case is to exercise doubt or skepticism. Why do you doubt the divinity of Olumba Olumba? Well, he hasn't said anything new, or put on a big enough demonstration, to deserve acknowledgement.
Yahweh faces the same burden as Olumba Olumba.

thanks for ur beutiful writeup,the truth of the matter is there will always b agnostics and athiest,even when elijah sent down fire to consume d prophets of baal,pipo still went on serving oda gods,thee isrealites heard God talk on mouth sinai,yeshua did lots of miracles still there will always be doubts...and its normal,one way or the oda pipo always need a higher being wen faced with trouble,put an athiest on a sickbed with cancer and say my yeshua of nazareth can save u..all of a sudden he has no choice,let ur god save me if he can.even in the story of jonah,those in d ship said call on ur god let's see if he can save us...I knw they wld hav been athiest and agnostics in that boat...the fact that you can't see or touch air doesn't mean there is no air...scientists believe the whole world began frm one giant burst of explosion,this is the stupidest tin I've heard eva...ok try this pick a box of pins a throw them all ova ur room,I give u less than a week b4 I hear a sad story,the lion sees an antelope and knws this is food,elephants see an antlope and say dis is friend,birds see wings and knw they can fly..the sun is in d best distance frm the earth,the sun knws its for day,the moon cums to us by nite..mosquitoes knw they need blood for reproduction...hw can everytin knw wat to do if sum1 didn't put them together,u don't just bring metals,leather,rubber,fuel,water throw them in one place and they all by themselves turn into a car??...what rubbish...the most annoying tin is hearing I evolved frm a monkey,thanks all !!! According to darwins theory we evolved over time,I am stll waiting to hear an animal that has changed into another animal,there are billions of fossils that have ben discovred alas they've still not found any fossil that has transitioned into another specie..I'll stop here,hope to hear ur own point of views

I'm willing to answer any athiest logically..Gods the God I serve yahweh is logical.. U can see the proof all around u.

johnydon22:


Gave his life? the one he picked up 3 days later... Nope that isn't real sacrifice.

You want to know an example of real selfless sacrifice..

Take a look at the soldiers..

They give their life for you to live knowing fully well they aren't waking up again.

they sacrificed their life and stayed dead !!!

...this is y christains need to study Hard and ask d holy spirit for wisdomm.johnny don u are right soldiers pay sacrifices,now listen to the word of yeshua of nazareth because I'm a follower of yeshsua mark 10:45 says "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.'”...a sacrifice is not a ransom,a ransome is paid to a kidnapper holding people captive so as to set them free..many christains claim jesus paid the sacifices for ur sins,but if he paid we can't say God forgave us,imagine I owe u 500,sum1 paid u d 500 on my behalf then u come to me and say I am forgiven.I wasn't frgiven sum1 paid the debt...if u had said don't worry don't pay again that is forgiveness...I strongly believe jesus gave his life as a ransome and not a sacrifice.hope to hear frm u

Greetings to u fellow believers in christ...as u read dis may Gods love pour down on our soul...tru d years a very serious blow has been dealth on us christains,its y athiest,muslims and satanist no longer see us as the light of d world buh laughing stocks...sit down an athiest with most christains and we easily bcome a laughing stock,y u may ask because we fail to see jesus as the word of God but instead we put our trust in d bible,jesus said in john 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,Yet you will not come to me that ye may have life...as its clearly said all d scriptures (law and d prophets) point to jesus,it is his words that can give eternal life....like some say d whole bible is inspired ,but yet moses says an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth ..buh jesus says turn d oda cheek,yet most pipo listen to moses and despise the true word of God (jesus)evn though they claim they are not..the scripture says in john 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"..it is so absurd to say "In the beginning was the bible, and the bible was with God, and the bible was God"for those who believe d bible is the word of God...its y I don't argue with athiests abt the infallibility of the bible buh the infallibilty of my jesus of nazareth who gave his life as a ransome fr sins 2000years ago..we can't limit yahweh to a book,he spok to people in d past and he is still speaking to people today tru d help of d holyspirit...isaiah says In isaiah 32:21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.”...its y jesus said in john 14:26 But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you...the holy spirit still speaks to people today..what den happens to the blind dat can't read d bible?? Ofcourse jesus still speask to them Through d help of the holy spirit who never speaks on his own behalf...another famous scripture bibians quote too insist the bible is the word f God is 2pet1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost....now lemmee throw more light on this,peter isn't saying the scriptures we're written by the move of the holy spirit cos that will contradict his messiah jesus teaching but he is talking about PROPHESIES in the scripture of course prophets likee isaiah,ezekiel,jeremiah,hosea,zechariah where filleed by the spirit of God and prophecied about isreal and the future at large,but behold all their prophecies still pointed to jesus for example I say all "formulas" of physics are not of private interpretation...this means not physics in general but the formula..in the book of rev 19:13 says "He wore a robe dipped in blood, and his title was the Word of God.halleluyah jesus is d word of God so we no longer need to listen to moses,paul,solomon...we have all we need in jesus our lord who lives for ever more..halleluyah