₦airaland Forum

J3susFr3ak:
Let me guess. You are speaking the above from a predominantly Christian enclave in Southern Nigeria...am I right? It is so easy to take things for granted (yes...even FREE SPEECH) when you assume those values just emerged from an empty vacuum. Do you realize that the freedom to even express yourself the way you are doing came from core Judaeo-Christian values...which you seem fond of attacking?

Even athesitic societies eventually graduate to extreme fascism (see the Soviet Union and its sattelite states as reference). Other atheistic states may graduate to extreme ethnic or clannish chauvinism (see the Nazis as reference and even the current Chinese society as recent references).

You said that there is nothing like FREE WILL because of omniscience--which is FALSE. Omniscience--which is the capacity to KNOW EVERYTING is a quality only reserved for a Superior DIvine Being or a God. Humans (with the knowledge of Good and Evil) now have the opportunity to CHOOSE what type of knowledge they choose to identify or define themselves by. No human knows everything....but the ability to CHOOSE or FREE WILL is a quality every "normal" human should have. I mention "normal" because what we see the sinful condition in every human doing today is actually reinforcing itself and creating massive emotional and mental imbalances in most human minds today---to the point that once an addiction or a bad habit takes deep root in the heart and mind....the human's ability to freely CHOOSE is gradually and fully lost. Sin robs humans of their free will as you increasingly find out that even though you desire and want to do good....you find yourself increasingly DOING THE OPPOSITE. Paul in the Book of Romans describes this bondage to sin and the loss of free will very perfectly.

Only Jesus can give the willing human the ability to have TRUE FREE WILL as it was designed by God in the beginning. Free will being the ability to choose GOOD over evil and act on it without any friction or impedence.

No one and nothing else in this world can give the human true free will. Only Jesus Chirst can set any human "free".

It's erroneous to ascribe free speech to judeo Christian religions .

Christianity began about 2000 years ago but kingdom and empires like Roman Empire , Macedonia etc that predated Christianity have been practising free speech.

That's why the most popular philosophers like Socrates , Aristotle etc came from there .

The same applies to Africa as well ,for instance in old Yoruba empires like Ife and Oyo ,they had committee that regulate king power to prevent abuse and that's why they still practice liberalism today compared to the north .



In a nutshell , liberalism is more of culture rather than religion .


UAE and Qatar are dominant Muslim countries but they're more liberal compared to Muslim countries like Afghanistan.

While giving countries with popular atheistic tendencies example ,you should have given examples like Scandinavian countries. I've never seen or heard a country that kills or persecute people because they're not atheist or irreligious. China is predominantly Buddhism,same thing that was practiced in South Korea .

Let me give you example of how free will and omniscience can't work together . God is said to be omniscient that created humans and gave this humans free will to choose . If God is Omniscient,he will know everything,he's the alpha and the Omega ,that is ,he already knows the end point from the beginning( reference to Jeremiah 1:5) . Now if a man has free will ,he can choose between different options but let's limit it to 2 options ,if he chooses A ,there will an outcome ,if he chooses B there will be a different outcome ,if God is Omniscient,he would have known the option the man will choose ,if he doesn't know ,then he doesn't know everything and he's not Omniscient. Therefore the ability to choose is just an illusion because God already knows what he will choose .

Talking about sin ,if Devil makes us to sin ,who or what made devil to commit his own sin that made him fall in the first place ?

If God is Omniscient,he knows each man and what they will become therefore,the idea of sending Jesus to appease himself is ludicrous because each man has his fate sealed even before he was formed .

Paul and Jesus are humans like us and they have tendencies to be faulty in their thoughts . That's another reason religion should be scrapped cos some knowledge and doings of 2000 years ago is no longer valid or perfect today

ClearFlair:
He's not buying any votes

$47 each says otherwise.

J3susFr3ak:
And what about those who have found true HOPE and PEACE from an intimate relationship with God through Jesus Christ?

You make these types of generalizations....I wonder if the greater respect for FREE WILL granted by dominant Christian cultures with regards to choosing God or not ceases to exist---you will not have the luxury to babble this nonsense.

You dare say what you said in Pakistan or Iran....your head will feed the vultures from a stake.

Your last paragraph is another reason why religion should be scrapped .

Free will is not true cos it negates omniscience.

Hope and peace in religion is like advanced fee scam ,they promise you what they will do for you if you can commit but that thing doesn't exists and also ,material possessions could be gotten by anyone whether religious or not .

The only advantage of religion is social service which can be gotten in several other places .

ZongoBoy:
How did you know that he had committed suicide because of the killing of innocent people in Palestine?

War as it is, takes a heavy toll on those involved and those around.

Most of African countries are experiencing grain shortages for no other reasons than the war in Ukraine

So next time you pay a little more for your favorite grain meal, know that is how the Invasion of Ukraine by Russia is affecting you.

The bullets and bombs may not get to you but the somehow the war still.gets to you

You must have missed my comment . I'm talking about those that support war because of religious affiliations .

Tommydare:
Oya scrap it. If you can't, then stfup

Well a lot of people are seeing religion deceit day by day .

Vic2023:
bring your proof

He's right

Righthussle:
This young man who is not even a Christian killed himself for killing helpless and innocent children and women but Righteousness is on Nairaland dancing and celebrating the killing of helpless and innocent people because they practice a religion different his religion.

I spit on all organized religions.

Religion is bad ,its outdated and should be scrapped .

Nigeria has lower minimum wage compared to Europe and North America but flight is cheaper in these places compared to Nigeria.

She's gone .

A lot of people had high hopes for her but she let them down .

ClearFlair:
Wasn't APC telling Nigerians they would change everything for better with confidence lol

Not Trump's Elon trying to buy people's vote under the guise of volunteers and shouting MAGA.

Kamala seems calm and packaged ,Trump seems desperate and chaotic .

When ballers meet baller .

Mrwhite09:
i am more concerned with the porn addiction

Have sex ,if you don't have a girlfriend,pay girls . That will stop masturbation and porn .

Singhabele:
We're saddam today ? If US comes for Iran dey will go to stone age and Russia will not come to dere rescue...

You could as well ask where's Kenedy today or
Yitzhak Rabin?

Iran is not fighting USA but Israel so what's USA concerns with Iran ?

That's why Iran wants to develop nukes like North Korea so that countries like USA won't bully them .

I will keep saying this ,there's no God's own nation on earth , it's your weapons , intelligence ,will and other resources that determine outcomes.

God is not partial that will place one nation above another the same way God will not answer the prayer of those praying for rain against those praying for sunshine and vice versa .

That being said , Middle East and several other places in the world where similar battles are being fought are just a front for the big guys like USA & Russia.

There are reports of UK and US direct involvements in ME airstrikes,a US air force personnel made a post on X yesterday about how they're on Holly land and about to start strikes .

I like the way Iran is standing up to Israel ,the most important thing is balance of power ,if one side feels unrestricted,he might becomes evil . Iran has leveled up and has great potentials if they can be more liberal .

The attack is mid and I hope Iran de escalate .

EmperorCaesar:


He has only one vote... His one vote wont change the total outcome

Depending on how you count it, theres been 7 World Powers before now and none had female ruler


Those Past Kings must be turning in their grave, seeing the shiity agenda the world is tryna push in 2024,all in the name of civilization of pro-women

Trump with the balls of Iron

Record is meant to be broken and yes you either don't know about Cleopatra or you intentionally ignored her because of agenda .

It's important to identify the cause of decay before trying to fix the issue .

Feed cost is rising therefore increasing cost of production and diminishing returns.

Several farmers are shutting down because they couldn't cope and most government funded relief materials are being embezzled by the people tasked to distribute them .

The same reason nomadic herders prefer free roaming is because of the cost of production in a ranch .

What the government should work on is to make sure feed Mills are operational ,low taxed(to lower the price of the output), and more credit facilities.

The most important factor in data analysis is distribution,you can't ask different sets of factory workers their salaries or different sets of bankers etc and then arrive at a conclusion.

Another important factor is location ,you can't ask different people that live in Lekki or VI their salaries and use it to judge all Lagosians salary . Even in this highbrow locations ,there's still a lot of casual workers and those living in ghettos.

Random source can be funny at times because you can be "lucky" to meet a homogeneous set of people.

1600 people is a very low data input to compare over 20m people average salary.

LoanShark:
The problem is that most times people who have no means to pay back also collect these loans so even if you get a Global debit instruction you might still not recover anything at the end of the day even though you have spent additional money to get the necessary approvals

It's not in the terms and conditions of the loan to harass people by any means necessary. It's breach of trust and could lead to serious legal battle by a serious customer or government.


People get get loans because they don't have the money at that particular moment but that's where credit score comes in . Credit score is used to determine the amount individual is capable of paying back .

If a loan is approved according to credit score,there won't be a way the money won't be recovered through CBN's BVN which is linked to all the customer's account except he doesn't want to use bank anymore till his demise .

There was a time I needed urgent 20k to sort out an emergency but I had about 15k . This loan app loaned me 1.5k just for seven days with interest rate of about 70% . They threatened to call and message all my numbers and tarnish my image on the particular date the loan was to expire .

Also , several strange numbers have been spamming my number and WhatsApp with loan offers since then .

I understand their loan has no collateral but other means of collection should be deployed . Like registration with CBN ,since they collect BVN before loan approval,CBN can authorise deduction from any bank the BVN is linked to .

Consumer right is important in business .

UltraSolid:
Precisely. Talks of Ports always reek of ignorance to me. People forget we'd be in total control of our resources and economic direction under regional governance. No region has planned for regional governance more than the progressive Yorubas.

People should go and read the comprehensive and full version of the Dawn initiative road map for SW integration written circa 2013. It does not hinge our development and success on any Port or FG-related stipend. Rather it focuses on new industry, socio-economic gains and income the SW can develop successfully and quickly.

Till now, no other region has drafted anything similar. Not even those who have been shouting seccession for decades now with some idiot in Finland still drawing crude maps for them.

One Nigeria has really held Yorubas back

I will check the road map out ,there are other road maps like Oodua investment that predates this new initiative you spoke about .

Elusive001:
When regions exist and their resources depend on their region, you will understand better. The seaports are controlled by the fg for now.

Marriage and girlfriend/boyfriend are two different things.

Most of the funds derived from these ports are distributed all over the country . If one FG go ,another FG (in case of seccession) will be the one handling it .

Nigeria amalgamation halted the Yoruba race progress . We also saw what our forefathers did during regionalism before regionalism was established.

Elusive001:
Let me not say southwest. I will rather say Lagos.

Other regions will have functional seaports. This will lead to decline in the traffic at Lagos.

Many companies with their operations in the niger-delta will most likely move their headquarters to the region or leave. The influx of people into lagos will greatly reduce. This will impact on internally generated revenue.

I can go on and on.

People is business truly but before Nigeria amalgamation,people have been exporting from Lagos and warlords from different places attempted to reach Lagos and take over .

There are currently functioning port in PH which is capable of serving SS and SE but there's a reason people prefer Lagos ports ?

London will not stop being London if UK breakdown the same way Lagos will not stop being Lagos ,the same way Seoul didn't stop being Seoul because North and South Korea are not one .

And if you talk about the entire SW ,I will tell you that SW has the greatest history in Nigeria and have singlehandedly built 2 empires before Lagos which were Ife empire and Oyo empire.

vanbonattel:
A Lagos without these new influx of neighboring states people who invaded it and introduced tribalism as a means to getting money in Lagos.

By virtue of closeness, same ethnic affiliations and Lagos progenitors are descendants of this ethnic people,they have rights .

Many low IQ trolls call "all" Yorubas Afon JA because he's one of Yorubas ancestors that accommodated outsiders and lost his post .

If Lagos is lost to outsiders ,the same outsiders will be the ones to use Lagos to mock all the Yorubas like they've been attempting with one leg by erroneously claiming they developed Lagos .

Elusive001:
They regions opposing it have more to lose than to gain. The southwest and not will lose most.

Why and how will SW lose most ?

But UK that is inherently Nigeria creator has 4 countries .

Nigeria is an attempt to eliminate pre-existing ethnic nations identity.

The US wants to have weapons but they don't want others to have weapons .

They want to meddle in others' politics but they don't want others to meddle in their politics .

They want to supply weapons to countries like Israel for "self defence" but they don't want Russia or China to supply weapons to Iran or Lebanon for "self defence" .

They want dollars to dominate world market even at the expense of other countries currencies becoming meaningless but they don't want BRICS to become successful .

They sanction countries that don't align with them but laugh at the difference between capitalism and communism most times intentionally leaving China out of communist countries.

In a nutshell,try to be empowered.

Makoko is an insult to Lagos . A lot of billions have been donated there without output , It's either their leaders are embezzling them without passion to develop the slum or it's a money laundering scheme .

These type of statements are emotional and psychological manipulations. It should not be encouraged.

Akwamkpuruamu:
Same human rights you get in Iran, Afghanistan and other Muslim countries abi as a non Muslim

Human rights of right to exists . School children and orphanages and hospital workers don't deserve to die because they're in the other side . That's what the argument is all about .

Islam , Judaism and Christianity want the same thing of taking over the world and all religions have shown us how evil they could be to propagate their agenda.

Christians get spitted on in Israel and Israel has been bombing churches .

Akwamkpuruamu:
Macrom dont know the people hes trying to support till dey demand for sharia law in france and breed extremists

this is not about religion but about human rights.

If any religion becomes overbearing ,it's a different battle .

mikeapollo:
Israel did not violate Iran's airspace.
The Hamas leader was killed by a bomb planted inside his hotel room. Israel did not fly a plane to bomb him inside Iran.
Get your facts correct

Guess you don't know about when Israel attacked Iranian consulate with airstrikes in Damascus which is technically Iran territory . Also ,killing an "envoy" in a foreign land is attack on the foreign land not to mention that killing on a foreign soil is an affront to the foreign country .

Let me give you an example ,when Sergei Skripal who's a double agent to Russia and UK was poisoned in 2018 allegedly by Russia in UK,UK felt angry and evicted Russia diplomats,other NATO members including USA and Canada did the same and it almost led to WW3 . That's the extent a country can go for territorial integrity .

Also ,you've not answer my question,if a terrorist is hiding in a school or hospital where your families or children are ,will you bomb the place if you're the one hunting the terrorists?