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pasol4real:
And who told you Russia has not been supporting Cuba militarily? If Dem born Cuba well they should attack usa....
Body go tell them....

Tell us when and how Russia supported Cuba militarily .

If you support USA destroying Cuba for attacking USA ,will you condemn Russia if they destroy Ukraine?

greggng:
Can you listen to yourself? The last time I checked Ukraine is an independent nation ...they don't need Russia permission to join any association . Usa doesn't prevent any of her nebors from joining any association . Brazil recently joined brets ...where Russia is the leader ...nobody is forcing them not to join . If Russia is Indeed a good country why all her nebors are interested in joining nato? No democratic country will not like to join nato for there protection against undemocratic country like Russia etc

Brazil is not close to USA and BRICS is not a military alliance.

During the Cuban missile crises,USA prevented Cuba from hosting Russia missiles .

NATO scope is to host NATO weaponry in Ukraine .

Toktee:
And you know well that it won't happen.
No sane element will ever think of striking US.

No one is invincible.

DIVINEEVIDENCE:
If Cuba and Mexico are senseless enough to join America in a war, tell them they'll never last as long as Zelensky has.

They'd have agreed to a ceasefire deal and their leadership exiled long before Russia would have had any time to consider their doctrine on proxy wars with a nuclear power.

Let that sink in.

Theory .

Hellisreal70:
Did USA at any time occupied or take the land of Mexico or Cuba?

read about Cuban Crises .

yinchar:
IF the US invaded Cuba or Mexico and is firing drones and killing people there, then its justifiable for Russia in your example instance to supple them weapons to defend themselves.

This is a a simple common sense. Russia cannot invade a sovereign country in 21st century despite condemnation by the UN and expect to have a field day.

Russia didn't invade Ukraine not until Ukraine decided to join NATO . Reference to Cuban missile crises.

greggng:
No one cares if Russia gives them weapon .what matters is what they are doing with the weapon . The last time I checked usa is not invading any of her nebors . Russia started this invasion...and there most be a way to stop putin dead or alife

Russia didn't invade Ukraine until Ukraine decided to join NATO . Reference to Cuban missile crises .

To every sensible people on this forum ,what do you think will happen if Russia supply weapons to countries like Cuba or Mexico to strike US directly?

Nwaikpe:
For the millionth time, muslims kill Christians, burn churches, and kill Jesus followers
Always

We are talking about Jews here ,they commit genocides ,Gaza genocide, white terror genocide,Yemen genocide , Ethiopian black Jews elimination .

They only cry foul when it comes to Holocaust.

Christians are not different from Muslims ,they enslave, killed and persecute others of different faiths .

psalmistkakah:
Jericho is a powerful city, and it stand as an obstacle for the isrealite, Who told u that's Jericho is an innocent land....Long run they will attack Israel...so they have to take dem off first before advancing....The men of Jericho are powerful even the isrealie were afraid but on God command they succeeded

There's no place in the Bible that says anything about how powerful Jericho was or her culpability. Even the Bible says that their gate was shut ,that is ,they don't want anything(good or bad) to do with the Israelites.

A lot of people consider old testament God has bloodthirsty,genocidal,selfish and evil ,if Israelites destroyed Jericho because they might attack them in the future ,then you can justify Israel killing children in 21st century.

mipeesoft:
The Europeans, Americans, etc who believed in Christianity and Israel,
were they brainwashed as well?

Yes .

For instance ,US government is spending heavily to defend Israel perhaps because of religion but her citizens are suffering and had little to no access to government aids in time of disasters.

Europe and America didn't develop because of Christianity but because of science the same way China and other Asian countries didnt develop because of Buddhism or Hinduism but because of science. The same applies to Arabian countries like UAE,Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

mipeesoft:
There several instances that some who practice Christianity have witnessed real time miracles, that will make them to disagree with you.

Most things that are considered miracle are natural occurrences but I do believe in certain miracles .

Also ,other religions make the same claims that they're capable of supernatural activities which means Christianity does not have sole right to the "so called" miracles .

One of the things I dislike about religion is the way religious books make countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia look infallible and several fellow Nigerians are ready to sell their country for the sake of these countries which I think it's a form of brainwashing.

mipeesoft:
The best person to answer your question is GOD Himself, but unfortunately for you, He's an unquestionable GOD.

That's why religion should be discouraged because it has made a lot of evil to go uncheck .

Nwaikpe:
So the very Israel that your prophet so much tried to associate with, and then turned hating since he was rejected, is a evil?

For the second time ,not everyone that stand against Israels evil is a Muslim .

And also ,Israel spits on Christians ,bombed churches and dislike Jesus .

NaijaMutant:
Ignorance is bliss 😀

Read Joshua 5:12 The children of Israel were already settled in Canaan before God decided to judge Jericho.

Whatever you're trying to assume in your mind is utterly foolish.

You ended up making a fool of yourself.

The God of Israel always prevails.

What you failed to realise is that Jericho is within Canaan and what happened then is what's happening now to the Palestinians after they accepted Israel in 1948 .

If God of Israel always prevail ,then why did God of Israel failed to conquer the people of the valley because they have chariot of iron ?

Why was Israel destroyed several times to the extent that a Gentile/Persian/Modern day Iran emperor called Cyrus had to reestablish Israel and was given the title king of kings several years before Jesus bore the title ?

Don't tell me when Israel win ,God of Israel is unconquerable but when they lose ,God is angry at them 😁.

Nwaikpe:
Exactly what I meant. On Oct 7, your heroes, were just chilling in Gaza, the partying people and the civilians in the Kibbutz attacked themselves.

Secondly, I thought these Israelis are not the one in the Bible? I thought you all agreed that these are Europeans? What concerns them with Jericho then?

Two wrong can exist.

Moreover ,you must be living under the cave to think it all started on Oct 7th . It didn't start when Israel broke UN treaty in 1948 as well ,it started when Abraham abandoned his land in Iraq to steal Ur .

It's none of my business wether the current Israel is from Europe or ancient Israel,my concern is that both ancient and modern Israel are evil and should be condemned without prejudice.

NothingDoMe:
God commanded them to take it. Jericho was the gateway to Canaan as can be seen in today's map.

As I've said earlier ,Jericho is not a gateway . A gateway means thats the only way to Canaan but as we can read in the Bible , Israelites marched round the city for 7 days which means there's a way to the land they're going to .

If you say that God commanded them to take innocent land ,are you saying that their God is bloodthirsty and wicked for destroying innocent people?

Nwaikpe:
How can someone stand with terrorist and not be a fool?

See your mawt

A terrorist is someone that attacked civilians.

Tell me who's killing children,women and rescue workers?

Also ,before you deflect,why did Israel attack and destroyed Jericho if they could just proceed to the land they want to steal since Jericho is not fighting them?

Nwaikpe:
This is exactly why I said that your brains were buried in mohammed's grave.





Read what you wrote and then tell me if it is in anyway wiser than what mohammed would have said.

Only a fool will conclude that anyone that stand against Israels propaganda is a Muslim .

Only a fool will respond to a query with gibberish.

Run along .

Israel is a master of propaganda(Hasbara) and if not for religion,a lot of good hearted people won't be sympathetic to their course .

Let's observe one propaganda in biblical history.

In Joshua 6 ,the Bible says Jericho was shut because of the Israelites and no one went in or outside.

Then "God" told the Israelites to march round the city wall and be blowing trumpets to make the wall to fall .

The question to a sensible person is if Israelites could March around the wall for 7 days without disturbance ,why didn't they proceed on their journey to Canaan (which is also not their land ) without attempting to destroy Jericho ?

Nigeria above ethnic jingoism.

Extra judicial killing is bad but Iran has high number of spies which they're trying to eliminate.

Never step into a big man shoe except your feet is bigger .

datola:
What is good about increasing VAT percentage instead of reducing it.

As if they will use the money for the good of the society.

They are just increasing the pool of money to loot

That's not my point. They want to reform the tax so that each state will keep about 60% of the tax while the FG takes 40% instead of the previous method, where all the tax is collected by FG and then redistributed to all the states based on certain criteria.

The tax reform is good, only freeloaders are against it.

It's been a long time since we heard such bad news,Benue people should not relax and lower their guard. The people who wanted you dead before have come back.

J3susFr3ak:
Even the current heaven is not perfect....Revelations 12:7 mentions a war to happen in heaven too--where Satan will definitely lose. And this is why a New Heaven and a new Earth needs to be created again.

Death is a common denominator in all cultures. The answer to Death. The answer to the causes of Death. And the humiliation of Death by the very Death of Jesus strongly asserts that there is no other escape from Death and its dire consequences outside of Christ. No other belief system has a real substantial solution for this tragedy. Choosing "No belief" itself is not a solution. A materialistic mindset can only get you so far. In the end it is pointless if it only seeks to glorify the self. Even when it is designed to serve others....seeking glory from serving others becomes a sin too. And death sort of mocks each human attempt of material conquest of human conception of idealistic "good".. Those you toiled for may even ungratefully curse youin the end. If you doubt me....ask Jesus Himself too. Though His own death was unique and predicted.

Yes. Anyone can make claims. But no one can provide foolproof certainity of victory over death. You could be sucessfull in your career and business and life generally....but like this Israeli pilot who committed suicide...one little demon burrowing into your mind and emotions can drive you crazy to do the impossible. No other Being or Entity has Power over these negative forces of darkness. But Jesus does. Years ago I watched a story on TV about how this Yoruba person who was a son of a Shrine Priest or something,--he met a woman (I am not sure if she was Yoruba) when he was a student in the United States in the 70s/80s. She told him she was a Christian and I think she said something that really offended him. According to him he decided to spend the ENTIRE NIGHT pronocuncing curses on the woman.

The next day he met her smiling and he was shocked. This is because all his curses ALWAYS WORKED before. He asked her if anything happened to her the night before...she only smiled and said nothing happened to her and she slept like a baby. She trusted in Jesus Christ who protected her. And this event convinced this Yoruba person familiar with the dark forces to repent and give his life to Christ. This was a higher Power than what he had known.

There are things I have persnoally experienced that have also challenged and changed my own view about Jesus Christ. I am not a Pastor seeking gain. I also wanted to be so very logical to the point of only admitting hard material evidence as the only admission of Truth. Not until Christ proved to me that there can never be any real Truth without Him. Reality as we know it is not merely bound by physical laws and processes. The Scripture we take for granted can overrule even physical proceses and laws when done in the name of Christ to honor Him alone.

There are many real life conversion accounts like the Yoruba guy above. You are asking for peer reviewed accounts. The Bible was written by real life witnesses to supernatural events done by Jesus acccording to Prpphecy spanning thousands of years. Today, we are also witnesses to the same supernatural events. There are books, websites and Youtube channels dedicated to giving people the opportunity to tell their accounts. Lives tranformed by human witnesses are the superior "peer review" you will ever need. Yes...many charlatans may exist. But we know them by their fruits right? Whom do they desire to serve and glorify most? Themselves and their pockets? Or God. This was what in part provoked so many reformations like the Protestant reformations in the past. The European Church was not its best when it had so much political power. And this is why Evangelical and Pentecostal Churches worldwide today seem to emphasize the personal relationship with God the most...not a dead liturgy. The Lord will always use the humble and willing--so please do not throuw out the baby with the bath water.

Ok.

The Chinese Economy is in more trouble today than they let you in to know. After the collapse of their gigantic property bubble....so many Chinese have become trapped in a shrinking economy, massive layoffs and unemployment....and no sustainable large markets for their industrial over-capacity. Watch some Youtube channels like China Observer and Joe Bloggs to learn more about this. China needs the US market to grow and thrive but their thirst and desire for what they call "Wolf warrior diplomacy" and the fallout from the National Security Laws has scared off Western investors from that place. De-risking from China is the trend now.

Ok...gotta sleep now. It was nice sharing thoughts with you. Hoping something ...even a little got sparked to give Jesus Christ another chance to prove Himself to you. You might become his next living "peer review" for the world to read.

The story you spoke about could be considered anecdotes and I can boldly say that people write story or make claims to favour them . A Muslim will never write a story where Christian appears good or win the same way Christians will never write to story where other religions appear good .

One of the problems we have in Nigeria is neocolonialism which is also enshrined in religion . We consider our tradition evil and primitive and therefore anyone seen praticing them are considered evil . Whereas Christians also curse their enemies in prayers to the extent of wanting them to die .

But Asian countries that have little to no neocolonialism mentality practice their traditional religions and they're doing well for themselves even more than countries like Africans and South Americans countries that are predominantly Abrahamic .

Why should Bible that was collated by people like us be an authority of some accounts but Quran that was collated by people like us but has different accounts shouldn't be made authority? What about other books that didn't make the collation ? What about Muhammed for instance that claim he's the last prophet sent by God ,does that means other people that claim to be prophet after him are charlatans because someone has made a claim before he's the last prophet ?

The Idea of heavens and hell are in several regions and cultures even heaven and hell etymology is from Norse myth. So why should the idea of heaven and hell of say Christianity be true while others are not ? And if heaven is not perfect,why should anyone desire to go there so that he won't get caught up in the chaos ? Or the "negative" side winning and heaven turns to hell ?

I've had my personal encounter with God and that's how I know that God is God outside any religion. My experience doesn't invalidate yours neither should yours invalidate mine or any other person. People have been living before 2000years ago and they've had relationship with God .

Faith or religion should not be encouraged in place of science or logic because faith and religion is based on believe which fails most time .

US assets will not say anything good about China or Russia the same way China and Russia will not say anything good about US . Most of the electronics used in US and other parts of the world today are made in china ,even Tesla and apple . There are a lot of people in china and they will always need house to stay ,recently ,we saw how China created magnetic train ,first in the world . China will come to Nigeria to build roads but US and UK will come to meddle in local politics and launder money .

I don't care about China or US but China is an economic might despite not being a Christian dominant nation .

There's no scientific innovations in religious books .

Tommydare:
Without religion, people will always and forever be divided. In opinions, ideas, vision, perception, languages, cultures, norms and tradition. One man's meat is another man's poison. Na like this we dey do for our village, na taboo somewhere else. Genocide, terrorism are birthed by several reasons. It's not only religion. The rituals are good things but what humans used it to do is what makes it bad. Codeine, cannabis are drugs meant for one purpose or the other but can you see how we used them today? We don turn them to bad based on the way we used them. A bottle of mineral isn't bad untill it is used to stab your fellow man. Phone has no harm, but when it enter man hand, they can use it to destroy their fellow men lives. Words that we speak are harmless but the way we used them determines if it's harmful or not. Everything is down on human. Religion is harmless but it's the way we used it. No religious books support evils. No where dem write am in the Bible that we can kill our fellow man, or steal or hate or furnicate. I repat, with or without religion, don't expect humans to be united. We have individual differences and this extends to our family, our society, town, State, country, continents and the whole world generally.

That's why morality is subjective and therefore, religion shouldn't be the basis to determine our lifestyle.

So far there's two people in a place ,there will always be chaos due to several reasons but religion is one of the greatest causes of chaos in mankind because we have about 8 billion people in the world with religions like Christianity and Islam having members in billions ,tell me ,which other segregation has that number ,maybe race?

People have used religion to kill ,commit and shortchanged their fellow men ,a lot of Muslims believe in jihad ,Jews believe in destroying goyims and Bible old testament is filled with genocides with a lot of Christians supporting Israel war crimes because they believe it's the source of their power .

J3susFr3ak:
I am begnning to think you are a Humanist or some one opting for some type of syncretic universal religion for clarity. Those will fail. There are no moral relativsms in a world where true beliefs are defined by Absolutes. The real world that is. I cannot wake up tommorow and convince myself that I am a woman, the ground is the sky and the moon is the sun. No. Certain physical laws are so fixed and consistent. Certain Spirtual Laws are so fixed and consistent also. It has been consistently proven through out the ages that these Supernaural events conform to the identity of a single Person's name: Humans are healed. Demons are cast out. Peace is restored. Wisdom is found. ---through the name of Jesus Christ. Even the stability and economic progress experienced by more mature democracies (it will shock you to realize) is as a result of their prolonged exposure to Judaeo-Christian thought and values...the same values they also take for granted today. The moral and societal ills you mentioned is noteworthy...but I dare say to you that today, if you have a very good case, an American or European could be sentenced to jail term if found guilty based on their laws--favoring even you. This is not so in Arab, Chinese or some other country with less exposure to Christian values.

Faith. Love. Truth. Hope. Good. Salvation. Those are not just abstract ideas. Those are qualities of a Person. And Jesus was bold enough to assert those attributes to Himsef ("I am the Way, the Truth and the Life...no one Comes to the Father except through Me." --John 14:6)

No other religion or faith has a central Person making such a claim. If Jesus says I am the Ressurection and the Life....and goes ahead to prove the same....then it means there is something much more to what He is sating. Why is Death a result of the curse from sin? Why did Jesus defeat death by being sinless? And why is He qualified to advocate for humans as the High Priest in Heaven who sympathizes with our weaknesses since He was also tempted in all points too like we are yet remained sinless?

Yes God is Omniscient. He knows every choice every human yet born in a thousand years will make even before those humans exist. He know the choices you will mke tomorrow too even before you make them. But do you know why He would not stop people from making those choices even if those choices are bad and evil.

Free will is actually a "test". A Turing test for not just a moral inclination....but a test for what the heart truly truly loves.

God is Love. Meaning....He cannot FORCE you to Love Him. He gives you a choice. Why did God put the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden? Because he is simply allowing the creation called Man to make a choice each and everyday to prove their love for Him by the simple test of obedience: NOT eating of that fruit. However, you know how the story goes....Satan inhabits a snake and helps to tilt the first humans away from God by disobeying that test.

Did God know Adam and Eve will fail. Yes. Did God know Lucifer will be Satan....yes. Did God know the first humans will be tested and will fail. Yes.

Why did He allow all that?

If you have ever read the Book of Job and notice (including some other parts of Scripture) where Satan is allowed to come before God's throne and make a stronge case before God and the angels....it will shock you to realize that way before human courts ever existed in their current forms to allow a Judge listen to an Accuser and a Defendent....the court in heaven today functions in almost a similar manner.

In the court of heaven right now....every single human soul is presented before God. If that person had surrendered their life to Jesus Christ...He being the Advocate will defend that soul from certain destruction. But Satan the Accuser is also building a case with all your faults and guilts to make sure you remain condemned. Interestingly, can you find the Advocate/Accuser duality that is actually rigged in your favour only if you repent and believe in Christ....present in any other world belief system? No.

Yes God permits certain evils to happen (referring to the Scripture you quoted) but it appears that Satan is the principal agent executing that evil like it was in the case of Job and even Paul. Satan wanted to prove a point that all humans are selfish and evil like him when misfortune befalls them. God wanted to prove otherwise. But even though Satan is allowed by God to execute those evil tasks.....God makes the ground rules and puts limitations on what Satan can or cannot do to a human being, family, community or nation.

Why does Satan exist? Think of it this way...just the way God must have given the first humans a simple rule to prove their love for Him....the angelic beings must have also received a similar rule to prove their devotion for God. I do not fully know what that is. But reading from Scripture it started with pride. Lucifer's beauty and position elevated him above other angels and he was expected to receive all those praises from all of God's creation and simply like a mirror channel those worship and praises to God and God alone. But the moment Lucifer chose to turn those praises and worship that should go to God only to Himself....God withdrew His glory for him and then he turned very evil. The angels who behaved like he did also turned to be like him.

Now you know why coups in many countries still happen. The desire for power and glory.

God is omniscient....yet He allows thnigs and situations to naturally play out for our sakes. Because we still do not know everything and are so limited. And in this all...He proves that He is faithful and still full of Love. Peter thought he would die fighting to protect Christ from arrest, hmiliation and death. Yet Christ told Peter that he will betray him after a rooster crows three times. This was after telling Peter that Satan had actually requested for Peter to be able to "sift him as wheat". Do you know what all that means? Jesus being God knew the future and also knew the outcome of Peter's choices when faced with a fiery trial. Just the way Satan approached Job and asked for permission to put Job in a critcal test....Satan also approached Jesus and asked for the permission to put Peter in a critical test of his faith.

In the hierarchy of Divine Power...who do you think Satan fears most and will even ask for permisiion before daring to unleash any evil?

Put Jesus to the test too and ask Him to prove Himself to you. He surely will.

I believe in higher power or existence of God and I believe that anyone irrespective of his religion can have access to this metaphysical power and having a different religion or process doesn't make him or her evil but most supernatural claims are fake or delusions.

I also believe that most human activities cannot be changed by prayer but by individuals resources, activities like exam ,games , businesses etc .

Empires have risen,flourish and fallen before the advent of Judeo-Christian religions which simply means that these events are not brought by these religions .

China is said to have surpassed USA economy now even with less debt and they're more Buddhists .

People have seek for hope when they're in despair and religion doesn't have exclusive rights to give people hope ,love etc . In fact religion is taking advantage of people,clergy will tell members to pray when they need help but ask members to contribute when clergy needs help ,several clergy live lavishly from tithes and donations while members are in penury . If you see someone that needs help and you help him ,you didn't help him because of religion but because of humanity which means that human are capable of love ,hope and other goodness without religion directives . In fact ,many irreligious billionaires donate more while several billionaire clergy are misers.

There are certain laws that guides our universe ,that's different. In spirituality or morality ,that's subjective and the way God relate with individuals is based on their capabilities.

Anybody can make claims ,that's why we have several charlatans everywhere and that's why we have peer review process before anything theory can become law . I'm not saying what Jesus said is not true but how can we verify but not rely on single source? And most of the thing you spoke about were only written in the Bible (Bible was written and collated by people like us which means there's tendency for infirmities,you can google council of Nicea for further information) and books like book of Barnabas that wasn't included says Jesus didn't die and rise while Quran another religious book says he didn't die and rise . We also know that there's temporal death and several people in history have claimed to have died and risen what the Yorubas call "Apaji" .


If God knows that's Adam and Eve will eat the fruit ,he shouldn't have put the fruit there in the first place ,if he did ,he's responsible for their fall and they don't deserve punishment. Men make decisions with their brain or heart which is created by God ,which means God is responsible for every decision therefore invalidating free will again .

If God knows that Mr A will be a sinner and won't accept redemption but went on to create him ,then God is responsible for such person . The idea that God tests men to see the level of their faith invalidate omniscience because God should have known the outcome already .

Pride is a sin which enabled Lucifer to commit , without Satan pride won't exist which means this is a paradox except God put pride into Satan .

If Lucifer could rebel in heaven and attempted coup,then it means that heaven is not perfect and things could go wrong there .

Tommydare:
So, all the deaths wey we dey hear na religion cause am Armed robbers carry gun shoot another person na religion cause am? U put poison for your fellow man food just because u dey envy am na religion cause am? U use your fellow man for ritual na religion tell you make you use am? Small argument, you don stab person knife or bottle na religion cause am Wetin you dey talk? If human can abide by religious doctorines and rules, this world go better. Don't steal, don't kill, don't fornicate, love your neighbor as yourself etc. But since human can easily embraced evil than good, it's very difficult for them to abide by the rules.

Well human ritualis caused by religion.

I get your point that several things cos war and killings but it's religion that make people to support genocide or terrorism .
Religion adds to division of the world .
Context matters and this is about Middle East .

People have been living before Judeo-Christian religions which means that all laws and morality are subjective to collective or imperial understanding.

Example,homosexualism is considered bad in Africa but polygamy is not while it's other way round in western countries.

Good and evil are subjective and could be defined outside religion.

J3susFr3ak:
There are clearly certain things you got wrong. And many areas you contradicted yoursefl.

For a start...attributing liberal thinking to the Greeks can have its shorcomings. Why was Socrates killed? Google has your answer: "In 399 B.C.E., Socrates was executed by the Athenian court on charges of impiety and corrupting the youth. The controversial decision lingers atop the great legacy of Athens, a city praised for its intellectual and political liberty. However, the reasons behind Socrates' execution are them- selves questionable."

And why was Aristotle exiled from Athens?-- "Aristotle died of natural causes, though he was exiled from Athens for criticising the government. He believed in a spherical Earth (with the sun going around it). Socrates was executed by compelled suicide (the cup of hemlock), again for criticising the state."

So your model of pre-Christian liberal thought failed the test since they either killed the most logical thinker for corrupting the Youth and exiled his pupil for criticiing the government.

The African societies (and this includes your liberal ethnic Yoruba ones) did not practice the Freedom of Speech found in the context of Modern Democracies. If you were born 200 years ago....I would dare you to criticize your local king or council. I bet you will face severe punishment or even death for holding a different opinion.

I will not dare say that the Gulf States you mentioned are the true bastions of liberal progress or democracy. Try putting yourself in the shoes of a migrant worker from South Asia living in the same country. Even though you might also be Muslim...your living reality will be absolutely different from the native Muslims. Should I recount the brutality and unfair maltreatment these people who built the Dubai Skyscrapers and other structures face in their own ghettos? Even Ethiopians who go to do household chores in Saudi Arabia are treated like scum. This because their laws are not firm and do not recognize the human rights and values that is not theirs. In modern countries...firm laws protect the weak, the vulnerable and even the worker doing menial things for the natives.

Why we assert that the Judaeo-Christian framework preserves a democratic context even superior to what the Greeks started is simply because there are no inherent attributions or rights just for being born in a certain place or nation. Meanng....You are not a Christian just because your parents or society is Christian. You need to first understand what it means to be a Christian when you are old enough and then understand who Jesus is and why He died on the Cross. Then you consciously make the decision to allow Him into your life...or not. This is not so in Muslim societies and certainly not so in traditional African societies including the Yoruba ones.

Second off...Paul may be human. But Jesus Christ certainly is not merely human like Paul. He is both Human and God. You can debate this....but for those who placed their faith in Him for Salvation...were able to supernaturally overcome a lot of sinful habits, addictions, suicidal tendencies, and all manners filthy and bad habits in a way no ordinary human will power could do. Further to that....so many miracles attributed to the name of Jesus even today and supported by scientific evidence just goes further to prove that Jesus is not another ordinary man.

The third big mistake you made is trying to conflate or merge together two different realities. The reality of Free Will and that of Predestination. The concept of Predestination can be controversial especially in Calvinist circles today sicne it presupposes God overrides human free will. Ok. Let us put it this way. God is Omniscient. HE knows everything from beginning to end and end to beginning. So He knows the outcome of each human choice before we make them. Yes. HOWEVER....humans are not omniscient. Try to track your thoughts even for One full minute. There is no way you can predict what would occupy your mind even in the next 30 seconds. The more you try to force yourself to think of only Apples or Oranges....the more you see powerful forces in your mind forcing you to think of something else. And being human prone to sin....you may even find yourself thinking about something forbidden for you to even think about. If you are married and you tell yourself....I want to only think of loving tender thoughts about my wife for the next 5 minutes. Guess what? Massive Powerful Contrary thoughts will begin to push your mind to think of other women and might even begin to make you lust after them.

The real issue here is that there are certain things that are just our of your control. Yes...people are free to do whatever they want. But noble ideals like Goodness and being Good forces us to think from a higher realm that separates us from animals. It is here we simply realize that we are unable to be Truly and Honestly be REALLY GOOD the way God is. We fail!!

Yet...God knows the outcome of each of our choices in the future even before we made them. And He also knows if we ever respond to the inner prompting to seek for help. There are many teens who grow up in their chaotic years feeling depressed. Many who sought refuge in the Church and prayer and placed their hopes in Jesus Christ...got freed. Others who did not respond to the prompting to surrender their lives to God....simply yielded to those darker forces which made them quit their lives. So even before these teenagers were born....God forknew which of them will seek help and get freed from their suicidal thoughts and those who wil[img][/img]l surrender to the forces of darkness and die. But did God predestine each outcome?

God certainly DRAWS people to Himself through Jesus Christ. But he gives the power to respond by faith to the human being. The choice remains yours. But I will say that in some very unique situations....when you have worried Granmother or mother praying for her child or granchild to be saved....God could honor prayers made of faith to SUPERNATURALLY intervene and do something drastic to get the attention of someone in a way that certainly "tilts" their decisions towards the right direction. Towards Him.

In many Muslim nations and yes even Iran....many people are having visions about Jesus Christ and this shatters their world view in ways that affects them in their real life. This is why Iran has so many underground Churches with people turning to Christ. Just like China.

Can you recall the challenge I made to you earlier? Try to think of something Holy and Heavenly for Five minutes....yet you find images of pornnography, vanity and all types of fleshly lusts dominate your mind the more? In very simple terms....those distracting thoughts and emotions that are trying to affect your mind and free will are not mere outcomes of natural urges in most cases. The more you desire Good...the more Evil entrenches and fixes deep in your heart as if telling you...how dare you try to be better. Those dark forces tilting you away towards EVil are most times personifed by who the Bible calles "The Adversary", "The Opposer" or "The Accuser of the Brethren". Satan exists as a Being with a poweful force to PUSH YOU AWAY from anything to do with God and to do with Good.

Who created Satan? Lucifer was not created to be evil. Yet the moment he began to desire the Glory that should go to God for himself...he fell and the dark selfish forces within him took over him. Read the whole of Ezekiel 28, and Isaiah 14:12

The reason why God is Good is because He selflessly loves His creation and holds everything together by His Power and Love. He proves His love for His creation by dying on the Cross to save them. Satan the adversary is busy not only being selfish but also making sure the entire mankind live entirely driven by same selfish desires and self-destructive hate that pushes one far away from God.

Good and Evil exists and are so powerful in the real world because GOD and Satan exist.

You're right about Socrates being killed for having different religious opinions but that doesn't invalidate my position that Rome was taunted as a liberal country as even posited in your response and modern Western countries draw their inspiration from Rome .

To talk about free speech in Christianity, Protestantism came to be from protest against the Catholic church and led to several deaths of fellow Christians . Christians talk about persecution when they're in small number but turn to terror when they are in high number ,if Christianity supports free speech ,they won't abuse traditional worshippers or burn their statues or go against pioneers like Charles Darwin and Galileo etc .

Racism is not exclusive to Arab nations only ,there's racism in US ,UK etc , Argentina wiped out it's black population and Israel injected Ethiopian Jews in a bid to exterminate them .

In fact there was racial classism in US not until people like MLK fought for their rights .

Whatever way you described being Christian is subjective because when they're counting Christians in the world ,they won't ask for other parameters except if you're a praticing Christian and I can bet that almost all Christians in the world today are born into Christian family,if they're born into Muslim family or Jewish family or Buddhism family ,that will be the religion they will be praticing.

As many people are converting to Christianity even in unfriendly environment to the extent of hiding underground to worship doesn't mean people are not converting from Christianity to other religions or becoming irreligious.

If Paul is human like us ,why should I hold his word as standard when there's no "peer review" or accurate analysis of what he said when God is universal ? Also ,there are many people that claim to be a God or were referred to as God so Jesus doesn't have that sole title,in fact , Alexander the great was called God or son of God ,the title he got from Egypt ,the same Egypt Jesus was taken to .Alexander the great existed about 300 years before Jesus and he's the first person to have claim to conquer the world which he actually did literally . Another recent example is Mobutu Sese Koko and there tons of them .

You said good and evil exist because God and Satan exists which indirectly means that Satan is responsible for evil but God said in Isaiah that he created good and evil ?

I asked you a question which you've not answer,if Satan is responsible for sin ,what was responsible for Lucifer to sin in the fist place, since sin didn't exist before Lucifer attempted to overthrow God and subsequently becoming Satan .

If God is Omniscient,he knows everything,if he knows that man will choose A for instance ,what's the importance of free will since the outcome is already predetermined ? Because whatever man choose ,God already knows ,also what makes a man to choose A if not for his brain ,who created the brain ?

If God is Omniscient,he knows that this particular man he wants to create will end up in hell fire ,why did he end up creating that man ? If you said he sent Jesus to give chance for redemption,then you will say a man has choice to choose be redemption and destruction ,if God doesn't know what man will choose then he's not Omniscient. If he's omniscient,he would have known from the beginning that this man he wants to create will sin and will not accept redemption.


People life could get changed by anything ,for instance ,most western countries are less religious compared to us in Nigeria and Africa but they have better society,most rich people don't believe in any religion but they're doing ok . There's UN charter for human rights. Morality is subjective based on exposures and environments . For instance polygamy is not bad in Nigeria but homosexual is , homosexualism is not bad in western nations but polygamy is bad . Alcohol for instance is bad for health same as cigarette and medical outreach can caution people not religion. It takes a conscious mind to live "good" . Several religious people are committing crimes and getting involved in "petty sins" like lying ,stealing everyday .

Even in the same religion ,there are different sects that practice different doctrines ,that's to tell us that morals , behaviours and characters are subjective and countries with less religious beliefs are cooler than overly religious countries .

God is created by human understanding of what they observe that's why the idea of God is incomplete or imperfect in all religions.

Tommydare:
Religion has no deceit. The deceit is the people themselves. The people either religious or not are the evil. Na people contaminate it.

Who created religion ,is it not human ?

Who kill or persecute his fellow man because of differences in religious beliefs,is it not human ?

Who promised heaven after death ,is it not religion ?