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NOwazobia:
freewill is another popular debated topic, but let me leave that for now.
Another part of your argument is that man is neither evil nor bad naturally, rather, the environment corrupted man. But the environment is like an inanimate object that cannot corrupt it self: an object will remain at a state of rest until acted upon by an opposing force. Such opposing force must be a force that has life or behave like one e.g. Animals, wind, human... But only human has the ability to act hyper rational to consciously influence an object for good or bad. My question is this, if environment corrupted man, who corrupted the environment or is the environment inherently evil? Can an environment without life, especially an intelligent one that can make and abort choices be morally depraved; can it be evil?

you never understand my point

Ishilove:
He has been stalking me since 2013 or so. He has serious issues that urgently need clinical intervention.

I'm back to ignore mode.

2013?

Almost 10 years? Haaa

Maybe You Should Calm Down For Him, He probably Has Something to Tell you

JackBizzle:
I am only speaking the truth. She could have easily proven me wrong on this thread with a lenghty logical comment on morality.


Who decides the natural order?

Some people believe that homosexuality is outside the natural order.


Morality is far more complex than that

is Homosexuality Part Of The Natural Order?


Even Nature Is Not Perfect as It Has Errors in Its Continuous Existence and Homosexuality Is An Error In Natural existence

Igbochief001:
Obviously the government is scared ....

scared Of What bro...

kyrian1:
This country is not working

first read what they wrote before complaining

JackBizzle:
Don't be swayed by popular opinion. Ishilove, for instance cannot hold a discussion on politics and philosophy. Or maybe you are looking for drama.....

Back to the topic.

Good and evil are very subjective and vague terms. Morality is a complex issue.

Humans are animals at the end of the day. We are bound by some natural instincts and some of those natural instincts would be described as "evil" by the rational side of our brains.

Do you call a shark evil for eating a human swimmer in the ocean? No. It is just eating. It is following its nature, its instincts to survive.

We humans eat animals to survive. We also kill fellow humans to survive at times.

I am just showing the complexity of morality.

There is so much to say.

seemS You Have Had Issues With Ishi before


Back To What You Said, what You Listed Doesnt Go Out Of The Natural Order.

NOwazobia:
Intelligence is natural and evil is a product of intelligence. What does that makes evil. If choices are a product of intelligence, what does that makes choices. I know your argument. Your argument is that nature is automated and anything that alters that automation is evil. But if we agree that intelligence is natural the theory of natural automation becomes void.

i didnt say nature is an automatic process, if it were then free will would not exist

NOwazobia:
is intelligence artificial?

so You Want To Say Intelligence Is Evil Since It is Natural. Hahahaha


Maybe You Should Read That Post Again.


Evil Is A Choice, evil Is Not Part Of Our Natural Order.

Natural Order Are Things That Are Necessary for Man. Is Evil Necessary?


Evil Is Learnt, it All Depends On The Way Man Interprets his Knowledge learnt From His Environment

NOwazobia:
From whence comes the ability to instigate death?

The answer is Intelligence!

Here is the answer to your question




NOwazobia! All I Am Saying Is That No Man Is Born evil Or Good. You Should Watch That Video


We Are Born To Meet Both Abstract Choices...


Our Environment Instigates our Learning, ask Yourself How Did The First Men Learn To Treat themselves? Were They Born With The Knowledge?

Man Is Born With Free Will And Intelligence, our Intelligence Level Differs From One Another some Understand Things Faster Or Better Than Others, some Can Quickly Interpret environmental Activities And Relate It To their Reality.

Take For Example, two Cave Men Witness A Lion Kill An Animal, they Observe That The Lion Killed That Animal With Strength and Sharp Teeth. They Have Learnt That If I Have Something As Sharp as A Lion's Teeth I Can Kill an Animal Too, intelligence Will Make A Man Think Of Using Such To also Kill Another Man, his Ability To Kill Another Man Is A Choice.

NOwazobia:
I am after the ability to instigate death. Do you know that is also a natural order? Who carried out the first murder and how did he learnt that he can suck life out of his fellow man?

I already explained that to you in one of my previous posts

orisa37:
EVIL IS THE WAY OF DEVIL AND GOOD IS THE WAY OF GOD.

THE QUESTION SHOULD BE, ARE HUMANS NATURALLY MADE SELFISH OR RIGHTEOUS?

THE ANSWER HUMANS ARE FIRST MADE SELFISH FROM GOD BUT TO ATTRACT GOD ALWAYS TO BE RIGHTEOUS.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SATAN AND CHRIST.

GOD BLESS YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

Don't attribute both abstracts to any entity yet...

About selfishness, that is another topic we plan on discussing on my YouTube channel


God and Satan have freewill and can decide to switch between both abstracts... Good or Evil is a choice, it is not automatically attached to one person

NOwazobia:
Does the natural order specify how one should die and shouldn't, but it agrees to death. If the above is anything to go by, then murder which fulfills the natural order should not be judged as evil.

Certain things must be left to happen naturally...

For example if a butterfly is struggling to break out of its cocoon and you decided to aide it there are chances it would come out deformed and unable to fly well, in order words you just fvcked up that butterfly's life.


Death happen naturally is not evil but if you instigate or aide the death of any one then that is Evil

NOwazobia:
Death is also a natural order but how it should comes is not specified.

Is death evil?


In science death is a necessary end of living things.

Death is abstract? A man's ability to physically instigate death is what is evil

NOwazobia! All I Am Saying Is That No Man Is Born evil Or Good. You Should Watch That Video


We Are Born To Meet Both Abstract Choices...


Our Environment Instigates our Learning, ask Yourself How Did The First Men Learn To Treat themselves? Were They Born With The Knowledge?

Man Is Born With Free Will And Intelligence, our Intelligence Level Differs From One Another some Understand Things Faster Or Better Than Others, some Can Quickly Interpret environmental Activities And Relate It To their Reality.

Take For Example, two Cave Men Witness A Lion Kill An Animal, they Observe That The Lion Killed That Animal With Strength and Sharp Teeth. They Have Learnt That If I Have Something As Sharp as A Lion's Teeth I Can Kill an Animal Too, intelligence Will Make A Man Think Of Using Such To also Kill Another Man, his Ability To Kill Another Man Is A Choice.

Litmus:
How does this contradict anything I’ve written?

all i am trying to say is no man is born evil... man is only born with free will, its a choice to be evil

NOwazobia:
Then comes the question, what is the natural order?

good Question.

A Quick Example Of Natural Order Is

Having Sex (WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX)

Getting Hungry And Eating

Interacting with One Another, having Misunderstanding for The Sake Of Learning And Understanding (Fighting Is A Choice not an Automatic Process)

Litmus:
Day or Night wich is evil?

religion has painted night as evil, but neither is.


both night and day are just elements that contributes to our reality

Ishilove:
I see you are finally growing up

Lol. Mad Oh! Ishi you Actually just Threw A Blast At Me. Insultin a Full Grown Man



Anyway, we All Grow Everyday in Knowledge

Litmus:
For the sake of simplicity, let us just use the term evil and good the way majority of humans use it. Nature dose not automatically mean good or evil.



Evil does not always seek death just as good does not always seek life; good and evil seek to survive. What path of the dichotomy best ensures the survival of the human species informs Human societies. Right now it seems as if those qualities that we may list under good inform societies; however, the qualities that we may list under Evil may be what inform future human societies.

the Dysfunctionality of Human socities or this dichotomy are all a construct of human actions

Litmus:
Man and all that man does is part of the natural order. That wich we term Evil is part of the natural order intrinsic in the dichotomy that seems to underpin existence.

No, evil is a choice... Evil is created in the mind... We are not programmed to do evil... If you call evil a natural order then we were programmed to so evil and we have no control of stopping ourselves from doing it but no... Evil is a choice not an automatic process.


Evil is not like hunger whereby if you don't eat food for a long time you will die.

If evil is a natural order then there would be no law to kill people who kill others because everyone will come to the conclusion that they are born that way and it's their right to kill, just like the way Americans have made homosexuality look good and norm

Litmus:
Depends what you mean by evil or how one looks at it. For instance, you could say the foundation of evil is killing, i.e the act of Life taking by living predatory animals and yet dieses are mostly caused by microscopic life. In relation to man, killing is genetic and informed by survival. As an example, place a crawling baby in a pen with a safe rabbit or toy, the first thing baby does is hit toy or rabbit or pick them up and place them in his or her mouth. Thus if you are one that sees killing as foundation of evil, then you could say man is born evil. On the other hand you could say the need to survive is the root of all evil.

I would Not see a baby trying to put a rabbit in its mouth as evil. Babies when born naturally sees the need to eat and cannot tell if this is right for the mouth or not, their brain only registers eating and resting for the sake of quick growth... So that is not evil, it is a natural order

Litmus:
Depends what you mean by evil or how one looks at it. For instance, you could say the foundation of evil is killing, i.e the act of Life taking by living predatory animals and yet dieses are mostly caused by microscopic life. In relation to man, killing is genetic and informed by survival. As an example, place a crawling baby in a pen with a safe rabbit or toy, the first thing baby does is hit toy or rabbit or pick them up and place them in his or her mouth. Thus if you are one that sees killing as foundation of evil, then you could say man is born evil. On the other hand you could say the need to survive is the root of all evil.

Basically everything that man does that breaks the natural order can be seen as evil

Redoil:
evils are part of human life sp learn to live with it

so You Are Saying We Are Born With It

GamalNasser:
Desperately evil

this is deep. is it experiences in life THAT made you arrive at this line?

UyaiIncomparabl:
You even tried by giving him a mention. This kind people, na ignore mode them dey give their types.

seems you want me to make you cry with words just like you cried day before yesterday abi

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Ladyhippolyta88 likes to mind her business most probably because she feels humans are naturally evil and unchangeable so it's best to let everyone be, just saying though

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I am bringing it here because every time I think of evil I can only remember Nigerians government...


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Ladyhippolyta88:
I do advise when asked but don't put my mouth in issues that don't concern me as long as it is legal and within their rights I have no problem and mind my business

you Are Doing The Right Thing The Wrong Way

Ladyhippolyta88:
None

Cool...


I get it, you are the type that's doesn't like to get involved in anything concerning others.

The mind your business type... Do you put up this attitude of minding business even when your friends are falling apart before your eyes?

Ladyhippolyta88:
I have nothing against that.So what should I do to him should I kill him?
Everybody will run their race I cannot come and be policing the love life or life of my adult children it cannot be me

Are you religious? Christian or Muslim?

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