vaxx:
must you guys insult before you make your point? do you even comprehend my post? do i claim earthquake can be stop? please stop jumping into argument for argument sake. there is measurement to prevent the effect on human. planting of giant trees holds back the earth from crumbling down the slope when earthquake occur. it is natural event.

i am sure you are aware people are still clogging rivers with garbage and destroying it with large patches from the forest. so if flooding and landslide occur now, you will still call it natural disaster.

you do not even know how tsunami occur.. tsunami occurs usually after major earthquakes or large landslides within the ocean. Waves will take some time to reach the coasts. GOD has provide mental capacity to weaken it. have you heard of air bubbles? construct a long pipe near shore. blow air which can be released in holes along its length the moment the wave arrives . that is just one of it anyway,

So God created natural disasters in a perfectly designed universe and then gave us the mental capacity to deal with these same natural disasters he created? Genius plan

vaxx:
yes i agree with him, human are responsible for natural disaster. The earth was perfect, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes are natural event and not natural disaster, it has being happening over billions of years (i. e) before the arrival of modern man. the word natural disaster which denote imperfect is is coined by human. for his own center notion. i will call it anthropocentric position

The truth is that if there were no humans, there would be no disaster. The good side of this is that while it maybe impossible to stop earthquakes, God has provide us with the means in the same earth to prevent this disasters. . The roots of large trees can strengthen the ground and structure and even decrease the likelihood of sliding during earthquake occurrence . but these trees are taking away by human selfish interest.

ALL DISASTER ARE DUE TO HUMAN NEGLIGENCE.

Dafuq is wrong with you people? How do you stop earthquakes at the San Andreas fault? How do you stop a tropical wave that starts from around Africa and turns into an hurricane that hits south Texas? You wan jump inside? Did God provide ways to stop a Fault that slides in the ocean from turning into a tsunami??

Pick one side... it is either a natural disaster or not!!!

seunmsg:
Deism makes perfect sense as a stop gap believe. There is no absolute evidence that God exist or not. However, we are very sure that if God truly exist, he's definitely not in the characteristics of the theist God that most of us were exposed to from childhood. So, pending when theist and atheist can bring forward convincing evidence to support their different positions, it is better to go with what is logical, deism. Again, most deist are former theist who just can't take that final decision to become atheist due to so many reasons.

We all have a brain that if put to proper use, we can reason our ways out of any problem or situation instead of seeking miraculous easy way out that religion offers. So, deism makes a lot of sense.

You just said something about convincing evidence, but fail to provide any to back your claim that "...deism is the most logical stance

AnonyNymous:
I like the idea of pantheism, and I think God is everything and everyone. We were all a part of the big bang. I reject the atheist/materialist stance that our world was created by random chance. There is order in our world. Here's an excerpt from the book I'm currently reading-



Isn't it quite interesting that we were able to observe specific patterns (and record them with mathematics)? And, that these equations hold true anywhere in the universe? F = Gm1m2/r^2 holds constant for any two bodies, anywhere in the universe. Why is it that there is an element occurring naturally for each electronic configuration? Why is there a pattern to their properties? Why do subatomic particles exhibit some form of 'awareness'- behaving differently when they are observed? I don't know how materialists find it easy to dismiss this as mere 'coincidence'. What exactly is responsible for maintaining order in our world?

I'm not making a case for 'intelligent design' as Abrahamic religions call it. The universe is imperfect- its not optimal (for humans, anyway), and if it had been formed any other way, we'd learn to live with it. Just like the analogy of a puddle. A crater in the ground wasn't designed to accommodate a puddle of water when it rains. It makes no sense some 'perfect' God created this imperfect universe.

But, imperfection does NOT mean disorder/randomness.

I only identify with the term pantheism, because we like to give everything a name, but I really haven't been convinced about the truth of this universe. I might never find it out, but that's not the most important thing to me. What I'm fully convinced of, however, is that existence isn't limited to this material, 3-dimensional world.

Have you considered the fact that these laws act don't act independently? For example, your crater filling with a puddle of water... is as a result of the ability of condensed water to fall as rain? Remember, rain is evaporated water that could not escape earth's gravitational pull, or get enough heat to remain gaseous. And the absence or presence of temperature itself is as a result of the presence of an atmosphere in the first place (an atmosphere that allows water to exist as a gas, liquid or solid and remain a liquid in the right temperature) and the atmosphere itself being there in the first place is as a result of earth's gravitational pull. which holds gases like ozone or water vapor and Co2 to warm the planet enough to prevent evaporated water from escaping earth's gravitational pull.(without an atmosphere like ours, evaporated water will float into space and escape into the vacuum). Finally, water ends up in the puddle because it obeys the law of gravity that states that objects will get pulled to the centre of mass. The puddle is the lowest point on the surface (closest point to the centre of mass). The water didn't get there on its own, neither did gravity. The laws work together to allow it

butterflyl1on:


God is not impossible to observe. The required parameters needed to observe him simply does not agree with scientific principles. Get the right parameters down and you are good to go same way for every scientific observation there are scientific parameters that must be met.

You can call it quid pro quo (something for something).

Our observable universe has been deduced scientifically as having a beginning and this agrees with the scriptures in Genesis which began with the words "IN THE BEGINNING".

both science and scripture agree to this.

I believe based on what you said here, you would love a doctor checking you as a patient of cancer, or let's say leprosy to tweak his scientifically proven methods of observation, to add those postulated by the old testament... such as killing a bird and dipping a live one into the blood and sprinkling the blood on your skin for treatment?

urahara:


I raised this thread for deists and non religious theists for the simple reason that I wanted no religious bulls hit on this thread like what you are doing now.

Before you religious lot make this thread mumuish

Please don't kick the only source of entertainment

You said no records of earthquakes in the Bible... what about at the 9th hour of Jesus's crucifixion. When the earth quakes and the curtain tore?

I'm just perplexed by the guys that actually think humans are responsible for earth quakes... it's amazing how only the crew of the Apollo spaceship have made it to the moon (how could I omit Elon Musk's Tesla) and the moon has its own quakes similar to earthquakes... and some dude here actually think humans are responsible for earthquakes. EARTHQUAKES ARE CAUSED BY TECTONIC ACTIVITIES... USE THAT SAME INTERNET TO GOOGLE CAUSES OF EARTHQUAKES