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OyoTunjiUSA:
I never knew this platform was a 'boxing ring' and you seem to be in a bad mood Bro.. Please, don't transfer your aggression/frustrations, I come in peace.

Thanks to JohnZak and RealTrump, who honestly addressed and made suggestions. All you did to my concern and questions that were asked was concern your self with stories surrounding B1/B2, family, Canada without addressing why you feel I am not qualified for F1 (Why?? Was it because of my interview hesitation, ties? My transition into health field that does not qualify me and can it be improved upon? ). It will shock you to note that It is not every Nigerian that's interested in 'japaing'.

In all, remember, Only God Has the final say!






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1. You are defending yourself, and parrying my punches, which literally means , you have decided to pursue your mindset , you only came on Nairaland to hold unto any sweet points, but you cannot get such from me, nor any other experienced person.

2. Another experienced Nairalander has responded to you (with the same truth) above. Let's see how many boxers you can individually knock out 😊 Good luck with another donation of MRV, with a souvenir of corrupt DS-160s, being kept at the US embassy for future reference. I am out of this trailer.

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RealTrump:
kindly refer to my earlier post as to your question, 'why Not Masters'? Who made mention of paying Nanny?
Thank you on your suggestion of exploring the conversion route (if possible)

If I may weigh in, your application has a strong immigrant intent.

At this point, it's kind of rule of thumb that they won't take your application seriously with these associate degrees. Why not masters. This begs d question if u are a genuine student.


Secondly, the financial aspect is really sketchy. The VO might wonder if you can truly commit d $2000 or more for nanny per month for 2 kids. This begs d question if u can sponsor urself or even understand d financial realities.

Lastly, there isn't any real home-ties. That's all your immediate family at d embassy.

Since you already have a visa, why not convert it over there? Seems it's possible, do your research.

JohnZak:
Thank you very much for your observations and prayers.

@jackiz My two cents: Your background, wittingly or unwittingly, suggests a strong immigration intent. You are traveling with your two kids and all three of you will be solely sponsored by your brother-in-law. There is frankly nothing in Nigeria that will compel you to come back.

Additionally, you are going for an associates degree in health science. This degree will likely not be a terminal degree for you as most people do not change fields just to get an associates degree. The VO is probably thinking that you will want to get a bachelor's degree in the same field or some other allied health filed like nursing. This will cost money, prolong your stay in the U.S., and it is unclear who will pay for this.

Lastly, the odds of getting an F1 visa for an associates degree from Nigeria are slim. I saw a guy get his F1 for a community college when I renewed in Canada but after a lot of questioning. In his case, he was a Canadian citizen and going to community college on a football scholarship.

Think about how to minimize your perceived immigration intent in the eyes of the VO. This might be difficult though because you do not want to leave your kids in Nigeria. Good luck in your future application

OyoTunjiUSA:
I am not giving excuses but a little history/background from where I am coming from

1. My study in Canada/health is not sudden and was in 2022 and I returned early 2023. The question, 'Why Not Canada is because I do not have a support system for my kids over there, as my original intent was to go with them. That was why I applied to the US.

2. When I said we kept to the conditions of our visitors visa, I mean it, to the best of my knowledge....because I renewed mine this year, so did my older son and if there was any issue, it wouldnt have been approved.

3. Apart from my hesitation, i felt another reason may have been due to insufficient ties back here.

4. You assumed my 'whole family is in the US', that was why I responded by saying Not All but just my brother and sister (I have other ones that are not in the US).
5. When I said, I have greater support system, I meant Nigerian grandma's based there, to care for them, while I have to study.

6. Remember, I mentioned I am coming from a commercial background. The Associate program will help me take pre-requisite courses ( Chemistry, Physics etc). The Associate program is a transition course ni that reduces duration of program (in my case Health), unlike here in Nigeria where I'll spend nothing less than 4/5years...

Thanks Once Again.
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1. Your kids have B2 VISAS before , so they can go to America on holidays whenever they want, so why do you think dropping them will improve your next VISA application for F1? Your kids actually qualified for the F2 VISAS, but your lack of qualification, as the principal applicant disqualified them. You can still go ahead with your decision anyway.

2. Just your older brother , and sister and they have legal stays. One a citizen, one a PR, Are they not your family ? You have been traveling for so many years on B1/B2 , and who have you been visiting ? Then your late husband 's elder brother in the USA , all these people are your family presently living in America.. Therefore , you have stronger connections in the US, and your years of visiting might have spring up the idea of applying into a school , knowing well that changing status from F1 VISA is easier.

3. Why did your interest in Health Field started all of a sudden from Canada ? Okay, why did you not at least started from a Canadian college ? Those who want to support your kids in the US while you are attending schools , don't they have work ? And if you really want to break into the health/medical jobs in the USA, do you think applying for a college Associate Degree is the best starting point ?

* We have been travelling for so many years and have NEVER broken our B1/B2 visa rule/condition. If we had the intention of running away, we would have done that long ago or even now with our present Visitors visa.

4. How did you know you have not broken your B1/B2 VISA rules ? Okay, let's assume you had clean sheet, why did the USA consular not grant your F1/F2 visas based on your clean sheet ?

PS: I deliberately knock off your excuses , which are irrelevant to the USA consulars, and making it clearer to you that you did not act your first drama very well.. Your probability of securing the F1 VISA if you return to the embassy with that same school and same drama scripts is 15/100% .

PS: If you have a very clean records of B1/B2, then you can actually change status to F1 while in the USA, If you had planned it well.

PS: You should have even started from shorter health-care programs in the US (3-4 wks) with your B1/B2, instead of the Canada version which looks like a trick or deceit for future excuse.

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OyoTunjiUSA:
Thank you for responding.

1. They are inseparable and with this new development, my brother inlaw is saying its either I leave them here in Nigeria while I come and study and since they have Visitors visa, they can visit during their holidays. (The thought of having to leave them alone is killing me talk less....They are all I have left.

2. No just my older brother and sister and they have legal stay (one is a citizen and the other PR ), then my late husbands elder brother
3. I have a Masters already in Business Admin., I am applying for an Associate Degree in Health Science. (I am going into a different field). I had gone for a short course in Canada in Health field and there my interest in Health grew.....The change in Country of study (From Canada now to US) is because i have more support system there (someone to care for the kids while i go to school).

We have been travelling for so many years and have NEVER broken our B1/B2 visa rule/condition. If we had the intention of running away, we would have done that long ago or even now with our present Visitors visa.

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1. You do not have to drop your kids, or you can drop the 9 yr old and re-apply with the little one (i have reason for this).

2. Your application obviously looks complicated , and it needs thorough investigation, before i can give my best of opinions, because it looks like your whole family lives in America , and they want to bring you in.

3. Nonetheless, a friendly consular can use a prerogative -of consideration, based on the ground of, you being a young widow to grant your VISA, but you must qualify for that particular VISA, even if you have other intentions.

4. Re- apply to a University (MSc/PhD), or STEM-MBA etc in a good SEVP approved institution, and work on your present personality and work-related experiences in Nigeria. Your previous application was done in a haste, and with evidences of immigrant intent.

PS: I do hope other experienced Nairalanders give further opinions.

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OyoTunjiUSA:
Please I need your recommendation and input on my experience.

I and two of my dependents (F2) applied and went for for F-1 interview September 24th, 2024 and we were denied. This is the transcript...

VO; Good morning

Me; Good morning sir

VO; Can I have your Passports and 1-20?

Me; Here it is

VO; Where in the US are you going to?

Me; I hesistated for few seconds (I always upset with my 5years who tried to make 'trouble' with his 9yrs old brother, shortly before i was called) then i responded.....'I am going to Harper College, located in 1200 W Algonquin Road, Ilinois, Chicago.

VO; There was a long pause and then gave me a look... as if he was expecting me to continue talking and when i tried to speak, he then asked, ' Who is sponsoring your study?

Me; My brother In-law
VO; How long is your program?
Me; Two years
VO; Will he alone be sponsoring for the entire study?
Me; Yes
VO; What is your marital status?
Me; I am a widow. My husband died shortly after he returned from th US Exchange program, last year
VO; Do you have a siblings in the US?
Me; Yes I do
VO; What does your sister do (She is a Citizen)?
Me; She is a Nurse
VO; Does your brother Inalw and sister live in the same state?
Me; No. My brother Inlaw resides in Sacramento, California, while my sister lives in Ilinois.
VO; Who do you have back here in Nigeria?
Me; My Mum, sister and inlaws

VO; I am sorry, I cannot approve your visa at this time

NOTE.... We have been visiting the US and have returned as and when due.

1. Apart from the hesitation in my response to the first question he asked, what else did i do wrong?

2. I have notified the school to update my I-20 as I will no longer be going with my kids and I will now attach my statement of account to backup
3. Please, How soon can I apply (I was supposed to resume May,2024 but couldnt get an appointment earlier even after requesting for and emergency appointment)?. I am supposed to resume January (Spring Semester).
4. Do I wait for the I-20 to be updated and sent before applying or I can go ahead with what I have (my dependents reflecting..)?

Please, I need your counsel. Thanks
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Your question is incomplete, but i will answer based on my empirical experiences .

1. The major and only fear of the USA consular is that of " How are you going to repay the loan ? " If you are on Phd, with part- fundings and guaranteed assistantships (must show correspondence evidences to the consular), and especially, if you are an outstanding scholar, then having your F1- VISA is guaranteed (if you have satisfied other requirements).

2. If you are going for MSc or STEM-MBA, with little or no fundings, and you need to show availability of funds , yes MPOWER loan can do the magic, if you have been working with a reputable company, and have entered into Training-Bond with such a company , thus guaranteeing your returning back to work for the agreed periods with your company. You must be prepared to show paper evidences of your bond, work IDs and employment papers etc to the consular.

3. If you are a Bsc or MSc VISA applicant, and your parents or guardian have agreed the MPOWER loan bail out with you, then, they will have to show the availability of a property (ies) or treasure (s) they have put on sale or they will put in the market for sell in order to offset the loan.

PS: Those are the MPOWER loan instances i have experienced, and they all yielded the VISA results. Loan repayment is the greatest enemy of MPOWER, so if you can prove the present or future availability, yes you are good to go.

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dexydidi:
it is like oga OyoTunji and the rest have given up on my case.

I have not been able to schedule an appointment yet and it has been 3 weeks now and counting, I have created 11 tickets as I speak although 2 3 were put on hold.

Please is anyone still in my shoes, it is so frustrating. I can't say if this is village people...lol

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