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feaworaoja007:
lol,pls quit digressing and being petty! How could you possibly draw a logical conclusion if you dont understand what i wrote? Ur aim to digress on how i post is not going to work! We"re talking logical facts here and if you cant make sense out of what i wrote,den why draw conclusions when you doont understand it,moreover everytin i posted so far is clear and goes beyond reasonable doubt to validate my stand on your type of person that just seeks for ways to validate their ego by tryna come off as beingg deep or smarter than others,and guess what, it's not working here,cos i need you to concentrate on logical facts and not how the posts is arranged;that being said,i have gone tru the post again,it's propperly arraned except if you"re telling me you dont understand some of the abbreviations...that strategy of urs is a cheap one used here on nairaland by people that lack logical facts! As for the degrees and others,just like i said,i dont care! They dont use it to get jobs or contracts otherwise,believe me,i'd be schooling you and making money off you real fast! As for being a christian,you wanna go there too? Tot amorc was your all and all...

It is very unlikely that you are a good Christian, if you are one at all.

Having established that, I'd proceed to say that your post and the previous one lacked paragraphing, juncture features, cohesion and coherence. I was still able to deduce your point because I strenuously read through it. There is nothing more to that! Work on your verbal presentation on public forums such as this.

AMORC degrees, like I said, are recognised only within AMORC. AMORC has a University known as the Rose-Croix University International (RCUI), an open University. Members degrees are recognised in this University and are used to appoint lecturers. Going to school or through a school, any school at all, must not be to get a job. That is the mediocre mentality killing Nigeria today. Learning is fun! It is adventurous and enjoyable. Making money off knowledge is the reason why AMORC is not free for all and sundry so that people with such a mentality as you cannot find their way in easily.

AMORC is NOT a RELIGION so saying AMORC is my "all and all" is fallacious because I have a religious life outside of AMORC. AMORC is mainly an organisation I am affiliated with!


I hope you are now well educated on this.?

compujyde:
That got me laughing

Anyway, know that no smart fisherman fishes without a bait (emboldened).

Just be sure you ain't the fish. That's all.

You seem to know so well about fishes. Are you a fisher of men?


To be very honest with you, AMORC doesn't do what you have inferred in your post. Think positively! Stay Positive.

selfmadeOLX:
Not just Nigerian Christianity..
It is the blunt truth..
And the truth my dear, sets one free.. Especially forum AMORC

Know why I love God "YAWH" He gave us freedom of choice
And all these things bounces back to know He is God..!
Mind if I ask.. What do you believe in..?

I know there is but one Living, True and Infinite God, creating and sustaining all things, visible and invisible, whose essence is diffused throughout the universe and whose mind and consciousness, constitutes the Soul of Man.

Rosicrucian Creed of Peace by Fr. Ralph M.Lewis

I am guilty of war when I proudly exercise
my intelligence to the disadvantage of my fellow man.

I am guilty of war when I distort other's opinions,
which differ from my own.

I am guilty of war when I show disregard
for the rights and properties of others.

I am guilty of war when I covet what another has honestly acquired.

I am guilty of war when I seek to maintain my superiority of position
by depriving others of their opportunity of advancement.

I am guilty of war if I imagine my kin and myself to be a privileged people.

I am guilty of war if I believe a heritage entitles me
to monopolize resources of nature.

I am guilty of war when I believe other people must think and live as I do.

I am guilty of war when I make success in life solely dependent
upon power, fame, and riches.

I am guilty of war when I think the minds of people should
be regulated by force, rather than by reason.

I am guilty of war when I believe the God I conceive is
the one others must accept.

I am guilty of war when I think that a land of a man's birth
must necessarily be the place of his livelihood.

The true articles of peace cannot be legislated but are drawn up in the
personal aspirations and conduct of the millions of little people. When all
men will frankly perceive their common dependence, an understanding will
emerge that will transcend the barriers of time and space, creed and race.

War as a condition of mind should be negated. It should not be tolerated;.... As we have said, editorially and otherwise in this magazine—think Peace, live Peace, and show Peace, then War in all its ramifications and material manifestations will cease to occupy a chair of directorship in the government of man's worldly affairs.



Contribution to Peace
I contribute to Peace when I strive to express the best of myself in my contacts with others.

I contribute to Peace when I use my intelligence and my abilities to serve the Good.

I contribute to Peace when I feel compassion toward all those who suffer.

I contribute to Peace when I look upon all men and women as my brothers and sisters, regardless of race, culture, or religion.

I contribute to Peace when I rejoice over the happiness of others and pray for their well-being.

I contribute to Peace when I listen with tolerance to opinions that differ from mine or even oppose them.

I contribute to Peace when I resort to dialogue rather than to force to settle any conflict.

I contribute to Peace when I respect Nature and preserve it for generations to come.

I contribute to Peace when I do not seek to impose my conception of God upon others.

I contribute to Peace when I make Peace the foundation of my ideals and philosophy.

AWWWW


So sweet.

selfmadeOLX:
You are just beating round in circles..!

As much as you are in your filth, as everyone are in their sins, Jesus saw value in us..
And there is just one requirement "Believe and accept"
ARMOC or whatever if far far from this.. Thus its not considered a life saver..
All those shouting Muslim, buddist etc
relax
There is only one truth and not many truths..! That truth is Jesus Christ..

That, my friend, is the bane of Nigerian Christianity!

It is AMORC, not ARMOC.

McTobe:
well is not a question of somethings being too deep to understand or not with the natural laws which are at the same time the creative will of the creator one can understand & explain many phenomena to the extent that can be appreciable to any human being. I think Wealth on its own is a neutral factor. Infact creation offers humanity all manner of precious stones & metals for use. What matters is the way the human spirit uses that wealth that will determine if it will uplift man the regions of light or press him down to the deepest darkness. As a matter of fact Material possession or Riches/ wealth does not form obstacle to spiritual maturity/ evolution rather it furthers mans' true evolution if used in the right manner, ONCE HE DOESN'T MAKE THE PURSUIT OF WEALTH HIS MAIN PREOCCUPATION IN LIFE. in the right manner here meaning if used impersonally or for general good & to uplift fellow wanderers in life's path. better still u can tell me the particular law of nature that it violates & how material acquisition hinders it.

That is another way to look at it and it's perfectly normal. That is one thing about mystical teachings, they are open to interpretations but no matter the interpretations, the truth in them is static. The truth in this matter is;
1. One does not need wealth or material things in other to know, worship or serve God.
2. Wealth is not an indicator of spiritual progress and neither is the absence of it such.
3. It is better and easier to know God and develop a healthy spiritual life when one has transcended materialism.


Every other thing we say would be mere interpretations to these facts.

By the way, I love the way you think.

feaworaoja007:
lol,the op said,his Uncle settles most of his bills or something like that,hence giving his uncle the ability to make him an offer to join which he's finding very difficult to refuse,and thats when my morality advice of "selling soul" for financial gaains came in...(you see;you"re not that deep as you think) secondly,i never said anything bout amorc making him rich,just becos i said "sale of soul";you jumped into conclusion cos of ur knowledge of the perception that amorc's sinister;so i dodnt negate anything cos i didnt even say s in he 1st place;however,since you"re a member and the amorc doesnt make u rich,smarter, or ven aard a degree,then whats ur aim of being there? Just like i said; simple baseless reason to validate urself cos you"re in acertain group! That being said, i could be ignorant on this amorc of a tin,but my close encounter and perception gives me valid reasons to justify my perceptions not like you that claim to know the in-and out when you have never even had close perception except maybe what you"ve read or being told,morever you"re tooo young to even know the intricacies....

I found it difficult to read and understand what you wrote but I'd try my best to respond with what I could see.

On the two boldened, which I could make sense of, I'd start with the first. There a myriad of reasons I am in AMORC that have nothing to do with wealth or getting a degree! For one, it makes me smart; I am knowledgeable; I am contented with my station in life; I am happy and know why I am; I am healthy because AMORC has taught me how to live a healthy life; I am not dogmatic, superstitious or ignorant concerning life and how to live it; I am open to other people's beliefs and opinions; I am a better person in everything I do!; I know the reasons why things happen in my life and what I can do to change the course of it. The list is endless. I cant even begin to list all AMORC has made me achieve. Funny enough, we dont believe in testimonies in AMORC but I have ALOT of them.

Secondly, you said I am too young. Let me educate you. AMORC membership begins from the Junior Order from 5-15 years, then the Lightbearers stage from 15-25years and in the course of the lightbearer stage, adult membership starts from 18 years. It takes an average of 2 years to read up to Degree 3 in AMORC, 5 years to read up to Degree 9 in AMORC. Learning, however, is continuous. I have been in AMORC for LONG!!! This should sum up your age-bias. AMORC doesn't divide people over age. In fact, a 20 years old could have read far higher and advanced faster than a 50 years old depending on time of entry and dedication to studies.


I hope I have educated you.

yummy001:
Hello jasysandra,

I'm really impressed reading all your insightful comments on this thread. In fact, your maturity in dealing with ignorant religious fundamentalists and bigots is second to none . Still praying to the infinite intelligence for such patience. I also have a deep interest in the study of metaphysics. Can I send you a DM so that you can also forward the "mystery of life" to my mail? Thank you in advance.

Thank you for your kind words. You may send a DM. I'd respond as quickly as I can.

nwakaibeya1:
EVIL MARINE OCULT PEOPLE and witches and wizards both white and black MASQUERADES as good before GOD and spiritually ignorant HUMANBEIGNS and we say#its only@NIGHT that we know who is who,no matter how YOU HUMANBEIGNS pretend AND WITH THE LIGHT,THE MANTLE AND THE POWER THAT BE ,WE CONQUER ALL EVIL BUT WHO AMONG HUMANBEIGNS WILL BELIEVE THE TRUTH AND REVELATION ESPECIALLY IF THE TRUTH COMES FROM AN UNBELEIVABLE SOURCE ?

Ramblings of a troubled mind?

selfmadeOLX:
Just because we don't agree with somethings in ones life dosent mean we are not walking in God's Love..!

And who gave YOU the right to AGREE or DISAGREE!!! Why do you feel you or the person you are disagreeing with are right or wrong?


Speaking of God's love, even outright idolaters have the love of God! For God's sake, they are his children! Who are you to select whom to love or not? Most of the people and groups most Christians despise actually do love Christians! Its surprising how God's love works, doesn't it?

indigene:
My dear fellow nairander, AMORC and Roman Catholic, Methodist, Church of Scotland. Anglican, Sabbath, Islam, All Pentecostal Churches, New Age Movement,Hinduism,'Budhism, Animism, Eckankar, Freemanson, are they same,. U worship images like the cross , they also worship it , u celebrate Christmas , the celebrate it, Your pastors look for omens and divination they do. They do healing , and you do. They worship triads of gods, You do through your trinity doctrine.
Most notable pastors, so called reverend, Mullahs, Priest and Priestess are members
They even read the bible more than many so called professed Christians.
All these some mentioned religious group failed to accept Jesus as the son of God, denied the ransom sacrifice of by him.
You teach demonic doctrines like immortality of soul.
I shiver whenever I see on television Mr. Chris Oyalkilome wearing pagan hood on his head calling it Christmas cap. He is a pagan persons like

This one is strong o but its your opinion. I wish you the best.

QueenHeart:
its not a matter of christian or no christian. Do u knw if a muslim or a buddist commented on d post. U talk as if u knw our religion.anythng he wants2belong to is upto him,n u weda so called christians acoording to u r antagonistic n not objective dat shldnt be ur problm. If u hv any advice4him say it n dat ends d news

Only Christians have been commenting and attacking AMORC here for your information! An average Muslim or Buddhist would rather ignore than comment. That is how tolerant they are! They are simple minded and embrace people of other beliefs. Even Western Christians are like that. But Nigerian Christianity have been so embedded in superstitiousness and intolerance that extremism is a norm. !!!

Yet they'll still preach the kingdom of heaven! Do you really think that a child born into Islam, out of no choice of his, will go to hell because he doesn't believe in Jesus? Such naievity.

Neeson:
All those "run for your life", "run to pastor" and "they're deadly cult" comments and the exchange of words they're degenerating to are comments from supposed Christians, when I see a Muslim comment I would know, in fact other religions hardly put mouth in matters concerning other religions, a Muslim or Buddhist would hardly comment here, if you're observant you'd notice.

Thank you my brother!

I've always wondered why is it that most Christians (I wont say all because I am one) have problems with other people's beliefs that differ from theirs. I havent seen a Muslim here attacking AMORC. It is still Christians that will go and say Muslims will goto HELL. I almost became a Muslim when I observed all this. I still believe Muslims will make heaven far faster than most Christians!

Cyriloha:
just looked at your pic and noticed that your nothing but just a manner less KID I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR KID LIKE YOU OKAY FIND YOUR LEVEL

Cyriloha:
see little girl SHOES HAS MANY SIZES SO FIND OUT WHAT YOUR SIZE IS OKAY I GOT NO TIME OF DEVASTATED KID LIKE YOU

A Christian INDEED!

Watch what you say. A word, once said, cannot be retaken. Its a law of nature. Whatever you give out comes back a thousand fold.

Be a good Christian, speak calmly! Go and sin no more... I forgive you for insulting me.

feaworaoja007:
my dear! You"re trying too hard! If youare really a member;you"ll chill and try and correct perceptions! Buh i guess,u"ve heard stories!...and dts where all these you"re saying is coming from. Btw which education are you saying i should be open to? Amorc? Is that education? Do they award degree and give good jobs or contracts...Abegi lock up! Try and put ur priorities and values in life in orser b4 tryna come out as if you"re sseeking higher knoowledge!dont even get me started!!

I found it extremely difficult to understand what you wrote, maybe it'd help if you rearrange and repost it.


The boldened is the only thing I made out and I'll answer it. AMORC awards degrees recognised within AMORC such as FRC, IRC, etc. AMORC DOESNT GIVE CONTRACTS.


I hope you stop being ignorant and embrace the true path of Christianity because I cant even call you a Christian given the way you talk. Go and sin no more... Im done with you.

Mackson01:
Rosicrucian is an occultic group. Don't let anyone take the place of God in your life, not even your brother. Read Psalm 108;12 . Don't follow him he wantvti initiate you .that is the source of his blood money. Run for your life

Well done! You came late. Update yourself with what has been going on.

McTobe:
@ poster I don't understand how wealth is a karmic burden. I will rather say that wealth can either ennoble u or drag down the spirit thereby forming a negative karma. u may wish to elucidate more on how wealth is a karmaic burden on its own.

Somethings are too deep to understand. This was something I discussed in my affiliated body some weeks ago. Someone asked a question on why is it that most wicked people are rich and a higher percent of good people are poor and the person even went further to ask why it seems that people who do evil even get richer. The answer was simple. Wealth and materialism are even obstacles to spiritual evolution. Wealthy mystics usually use their wealth impersonally, this proves that they have conquered such passion. People who are materialistic and run after wealth need to conquer it and in that sense, it becomes a karmic burden in other to teach a lesson and free the soul from unneccessary attachment to the things of the world.

feaworaoja007:
lol,you make me laugh tryna sound all deep and all that;i can totally undertand your need to vaalidate ur ego tryna come out as being deep....my dear,been there,done that;when the time to make thr real choice comes,that when you'd really start questioning your values in life;i"m not an Amoorc member and do not want to be,hence in that aspect in life;i choose to be happily ignorant;i dont see anything miserable about that! It's simply pathetic that your tryna come off as being deep looks 2 me like you"re trying too hard...take a chill pill,being a member doesnt make you any beta,richer,more intelligent or beta than people that aare not! I dont need to be affiliated to any group to validate myself;it's really pathetic your affiliation's sole purpose is based on validaing your ego and tryna come out as being beta than others(however,i doubt ur affiliation...empty vessels they say....u can complete the rest!

@The Bolded

Thank God you have finally negated your initial statements concerning AMORC! Atleast everyone can now see that you were initially ignorant and painted a falsity. Thank God I have corrected that.

Im done with you!

Kposkila:
If u like d way dey do things, join n don't entice odas to do so.

If you dont like the way they do things, DONT JOIN! Dont entice others not to.

ruffbamreal:
Do you have to fill a form before joining a church?

Just asking though.

Yes. Some churches collect your biodata!


Aside that, AMORC is not a CHURCH, neither is it a CHRISTIAN BODY. It is an ORGANISATION! Organisations need to keep statistics on members. Organisations need MONEY to run! In AMORC, members pay for membership and they are given an identification number.

Ask anyone who "claims" to be an AMORC member to tender their key number as proof of affiliation.

Neeson:
Well researched, now I've got a question for you, there was a certain time your order put out an invite for investiture ceremony, if it's just an association anyone can belong what's the need cloaking people who wish to join through a kind of ceremony?

Secondly, the invite also said that the investiture proper has been performed on a certain mountain where non members would not come and what attendees would witness is just the after ceremony, if yours is a free association like you alleged, why have a ceremony that no one but your members would be in attendance? Something you hiding from everyone else??

AMORC has no investiture ceremony, as you put it. Please Note: AMORC does not go to ANY MOUNTAIN for anything. I have never seen a mountain in my life, to my knowledge, and yet I am a member for a lot of years now. Please get your facts right. I dont think it is AMORC, Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, that invited you to an "investiture ceremony" on a "mountain". AMORC members do not even go out. All activities are done in the affiliated body no matter their nature. So your mountain theory is laughable at best.

AMORC is not a knighthood that does "investitures". Please! If you want to know what AMORC does, consult a proper affiliated body in Nigeria from http://amorc.org.ng.

Thank you!

afroxyz:
Do you believe in GOD: I believe in a supreme being/force. It goes by different names, one if which is God. Besides man crested God.

Can you read ALOT: Yes o!

Are you a patient person: nope
Are you in search of money, power or fame: Never. I'm altruistic.

Give me your email let me send you the MASTERY OF LIFE. Later when you are done reading the pamphlet and convinced, tell me your location and I'll hook you up. Take care!

Cyriloha:
young man get some sense most secret Cult men hide in the name of church in the name of worshiping God okay for if your clever enough observe the life of your uncle very well from today and you will find one or two skeletons on his cupboard

There is an old saying ; "it is what you seek that you will find". If you keep looking for skeletons, you just may see one but it may not be that of the uncle. It may be your own in your cupboard.

I am tired of how some of you supposedly "Christians" are quick to call names. When you see a spade, fear wont let you call it a spade but when you see a shovel, you call it an axe! Intolerant bunches.

Cyriloha:
don't mind the fool AMORC is a strong secret Cult just like ogboni

IF you say so! . But then again, you seem to know Ogboni so well that you compare it with AMORC, maybe you or your dad is an ex-member too.

UNLIMITEDWONDER:
Look dear, I beg you whether Armoc or Armrock, do not follow anything outside Christ Jesus.
Yes, he might give the needy and help the wretched but do not forget that anti-christ people can do these things too, so do not be deceived. I don't know what that "organisation" is but it doesn't seem Christ-like.
If you are a christian that you say you are, pray about this,be patient enough to listen to God,tell your uncle you need some time..Or better still you coul take the matter to any superior(and true) man of God around.
God bless you.
I wish you well.

It is AMORC and you are new to this discussion. You have 8 pages of words to fill your gap in knowledge. . We've been through it several times already.

feaworaoja007:
my dear, reading those rosicrucian magazines doesnt make you a member! You"re too young to know what you"re even talking about! I understand that with google everyone can now assess info and claim to have knowledge of what they dont know oor felt firsthand...ok, as a memeber have you staayed awake @ 9t in the dark to chant and do incantations;if you"ve not,then u"re simply aa fraud and dont know what you talking about! I hope u truly join someday and see 4 yoourself...i"m not saying its totally evil;but there's somtin sinister bout it!

You know nothing about my affiliation with AMORC so dont assume on my behalf...


AMORC members that say awake at night to meditate do so on their own. There is no ROSICRUCIAN rule that meditation should be done at any point in time. I can meditate anytime I want. I sleep peacefully at night . Chanting vowel sounds is not sinister. That'd be saying singing worship songs is sinister because our songs are full of vowel sounds, AMORC only extracts the sounds from the songs. The sounds help us relax, meditate and visualise positive things.

To correct your impression, being an AMORC member in Nigeria means you have a KEY NUMBER, RECEIVE MONOGRAPHS FROM CALABAR, PAY ALL OUTSTANDING DUES, AFFILIATED WITH A LODGE, CHAPTER OR PRONAOS (OPTIONAL). Please be open to education. Do not presume to know about AMORC when you dont.

Mekyno:
tnx 4 ur tym bt dey or their activities are a bit secretive. Why?
Who do dey worship or is their grandmaster?
A gal i know, back den, did thanks giving service in church wen she left or got free frm amorc, does it hv a caging or bonding spirit?

AMORC activities are not secretive. It appears to be so because most people have not gone there to check what is going on actually.

AMORC doesnt worship anyone other than GOD! There is no GRANDMASTER in AMORC. What we have is a body of leaders who see to the day-to-day functioning of the organisation administratively.

The girl that did thanksgiving was NOT a member of AMORC! I can tell you that categorically. She may have been to our affiliated body a number of times, she wasn't a member. TO become an AMORC member, you have to petition Calabar and wait for upto 3 months to receive your first series of mails. You have to get a key number and progress in reading monographs. That lady was simply using AMORC to cover for something else or she was simply brainwashed by a pastor into believing that she was committing a sin by attending an AMORC affiliated body.

feaworaoja007:
my friend;i can. Over authoritaatively tell you that Amorc wear rings; something like a gold ring,withsomething like a symbol of rose embedded in a triangle...i remeber the ring vividly,it's not by saying you"re a member for mouth,these are things i saw like over 25yrs ago whilst growing up,and i can remember vividly...as for the drinking bloood part and all,i dont care;i dont want to ask him and i dont want to knw...for me,in ds case,ignorance is bliss...somethings are beta left unsaid friend...somtins i dont wanna tok about!

Ignorance is bliss is the main reason you are in your current dilemma. AMORC doesnt impose RINGS on MEMBERS!!! I have said it before and I repeat it. If you dad wore a ring, it was HIS OWN CHOICE!!!


Keep being ignorant all you want.! I hope it serves you well in the greater run but please dont let your ignorance say things that make you sound like a miserable fellow in public.

mbulela:
What is your understanding of Christianity?
You are supposed to be an enlightened fellow but you go around throwing subtle rude comments at others. From calling them ignorant (about their own belief systems not yours) to calling their beliefs mediocre.
How do you find your level of evolution as a mystic if your conversation is filled with such arrogance?

Like I said earlier on, arrogance is a relative concept!

Christianity is a religion fashioned after the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is a messianic religion which mixes earlier Judaism with the teachings of Jesus. These teachings are written in the third person narrative by various disciples and prophets to form what is now termed as the "Holy Bible" which was gathered together and printed under the watch of King James in the early 17th century. Before then, the Bible was simply a collection of various books used by the Catholic church. Christianity espouses Jesus as the way to redemption and everlasting life. It preaches hell, heaven and such concepts as the trinity of God, salvation, grace, forgiveness, love, etc.

Christianity is one of the most peaceful religions on earth and members are easy going, simple and lovely. Sadly, most Christians in Nigeria have turned the religion into something else entirely. It has been infiltrated with extreme dogma, swindlers who call themselves pastors, a myriad of churches with differing beliefs, intolerance to even internal dissenting groups, and a whole lot of other things that the fathers of the religion will weep over. I hope all these change! Let us copy Western Christianity and their simplicity! It is well.

mbulela:
So Jesus was intolerant?

Re-read the post.

mbulela:
Why are you so hell conscious?
Where in my posts did I mention hell and burning therein?
Just like your organization has core beliefs and principles, so does Christianity. Jesus Christ's place in Christianity is exclusive. So exclusive that it entailed God himself coming down in the form of a man to redeem man back to Himself.
Choosing some other "route" to God does not exclude you from God's love but neither does it invalidate the exclusivity of Jesus as the ONLY mediator between man and God.

All I have been harping on is the fact that a Christian cannot seek self mastery or mastery of the universe outside Christ. I am really pertubed by the rest of the arguments.

I have respected your opinion. Still learn to be tolerant to the views of others. If Jesus wasn't tolerant, a religion wouldn't have evolved from his teachings!