₦airaland Forum

Germi9:
parkistan depends on China to have a 100%fighter jet,so why dont we deal directly with China ?
again,are these jets brand new?
and by the way,i am not impressed with the weak countries you just mentioned, C'mon we deserve better

No, Pakistan does not depend 100% on China for fighter jets.

1. Pakistan Air Force operates over 70 American F-16 Fighting Falcons and around 190 French Mirage IIIs and Mirage 5s.

2. The JF-17 Thunder is a $500 million joint venture between China and Pakistan, agreed in 1999. China builds 42% of the aircraft and Pakistan builds 52% while the engine is imported from Russia.

3. Yes, the 3 jets that Nigeria has bought for $184 million are brand new.

Ibrahimmrfish:
Fun facts, Israel don't manufacture fighter jets,the get it for free from the U.S and Nigeria is not the only country buying from Pakistan. Ukraine, Azabarjan,Myanmar,Indonesia, Philippine all have order for the same Pakistani jets.At $18million it's the cheapest fighter jet on earth.

Only Myanmar and Nigeria have purchased the JF-17 Thunder aircraft so far. No other foreign sales confirmed to date.

fashrola:
Imagine Pakistan military engineers working on US military jets, that's kinda a security breach but here in Africa we find it cool

What if Nigeria goes to war one day with Pakistan, They know what to touch in their control room to disable out plane

Train our military engineers, Equip them and trust them and you will see the amazing results they gonna show to our Nation

Nigerian pilots and engineers have been training in Pakistan to familiarise themselves with the JF-17 Thunder aircraft.

Further, Pakistani support staff will be in Nigeria for a one-year contract for help with the maintenance of the aircraft. After that, it'll be Nigeria's responsibility to look after their aircraft.

In the real world, nations don't spend billions buying military equipment that have kill switches.

kabe1:
In fact the JF-17 borrowed quite a lot of it's capabilities from the J-10.

It's the other way around.

China offered the J-10A to Pakistan around 2002 but Pakistan Air Force rejected it.

The JF-17 Thunder was built purely with the mindset that the Pakistani 300 light-weight fighter fleet needed to be replaced by a light-weight fighter that was based on F-16 in technology, avionics and design terms.

The Americans repeatedly warned Pakistan not to use the Pakistani F-16s for the JF-17 Thunder project.

Here's NAF722 in this video from 3:33 onwards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtcYKnMNZSg

kabe1:
He was been sarcastic.

Oh I see. I thought he had fallen prey to conspiracy theories.

Interview (in Urdu language) in front of 2 Nigerian JF-17 Thunders:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDYd2T8wXno

NAF720 and NAF721

bidexiii:
Some go they call am Photoshop now...

They are not photoshopped.

Today, a Pakistan Air Force ceremony was held for the completon of 14 JF-17 Thunder Block-2 Bravos (dual seaters) in 2020.

In that ceremony Nigerian Air Force JF-17 Thunder Block-2 Alphas were also present.

They are parked behind the PAF JF-17 Thunders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaX3dqwswnU

Over the coming days, hopefully we'll get a lot more photos of NAF aircraft.

kabe1:
The problem of purchasing Russian weaponry in this trump administration is that Nigeria might fall victim to CAATSA sanctions. This is the reason we have not received our 7 remaining MI-35M helicopters.

We can only realistically purchase top of the line Russian weaponry if we get guarantees from the US that we would not be sanctioned.

Turkish weapons, Turkish drones are filled with imported Western components. Intact Canada has stopped exporting parts for Turkish drones, Turkey cannot deliver T-129 helicopters to Pakistan because of sanctions, it remains to be seen if Turkey can deliver Milgem Corvettes to Pakistan.

This leaves us with just a few options to buy from, China remains are best source for high quality weapons.

That's the reason why it's a good thing that Nigeria is investing in local production of weapons.

As sanctions were expected, Turkey has been building their own engine to be fitted with the T-129s for Pakistan.

SuperSixSeven:
I am surprised to hear that because I thought all JF17 Block 3 models feature a new Tail Fin (and minor other changes) similar to the JF17B i posted earlier. So what are these aerodynamic changes about if not meant for the Block III? These Jf-17Bs double-seaters are all Block II?

Yes, these are all Block-2s

Single Seater Block-2 production numbers are easily recognisable as:
2P-01, 2P-02, 2P-03 and so on all the way up to 2P-59 so far.
There will 62 produced in total for the PAF.

While Dual Seaters Block-2 production serial numbers have B at the end of them. Such as:
2P-63B, 2P-64B, 2P-65B and so on up to 2P-79B so far.
There will be 26 produced in total for the PAF.

The only Block-3 photographed so far is a prototype and has the serial number 3000 written on it.

We should find out later this year or next year what production serial number will be designated to the Block-3. According to Alan Warnes, this particular model is expected to be sold in large numbers to foreign customers hence the number 3000.

SuperSixSeven:
I fully agree here and I wonder why we did not at least order the Block III double-seaters.

There are no "Block III double-seaters" being produced at the moment neither anyone has placed an order for it.

Only one prototype of single-seater Block-3 was photographed December 2019 (attached).

The first two Block-3 single-seaters are being produced in Pakistan this year. Additional 12 will be built each year for the PAF from next year for four years completing an order of 50.