cupid1: so the jewish creation myth in the bible is backed by which other ancient manuscript ? Thats dumb. The talking donkey in the bible is backed by which ancient manuscript ? Another dumb one. The bible is just like every other book religious book written by man, there are always exaggerations and ascribing of supernatural properties to mortal men. And what you refer to as experience with God is what atheists might refer to as contact with past selves :x. So no need to be a religious bigot, don't be dogmatic. Keep a free mind and don't attack any religion, not even atheists
Have you ever heard of the deep sea scrolls?! They have been carbon dated to a time at least 700bc. Basically they go to show the authenticity of the records found in the Bible!
cupid1: As much as i believe there is a God, that is no reason to condemn atheists. You say they have no proof for evolution, neither do you have any proof to show God exists. If you bring up the Bible as proof, an atheist can also bring up a spiderman comic book as proof that spiderman exists. So keep calm and wait for judgement day- if it be real
Life is evidence based. Personal experiences with God are the best evidence of His existence. The Bible stories have a basis with ancient manuscripts to back them up. Evolution cannot be fully evidence based!
EzioAuditore: Maybe if every ones mind was as tiny as yours, but honestly IDGAF! You can believe whatever you want to believe! aim is to make sure no one spreads lies about my religion, you can do whatever you want. You can go back to worshipping your pagan God if you want, it's not my bum that's on the line.
You are not far from full blown psychosis! Once a person starts believing in theories that make sense to them alone and not bothering what anyone has to say.... . schizophrenia is around the corner! Get help soon! Or well!
In evolution, adherents believe that everything today came from one cell! From there it "evolved" to produce all creation including man. Now here are a few points to counter that; 1. Every cell is unique hence one cell cannot "evolve" to produce plants, animals and even microorganisms.
2. There is no current evidence for evolution on going today. Now as a scientist of sorts I know things can change e.g a muscle or part of the body not being used often can atrophy. But there is no evidence of a creative ongoing process in any animal system today. Any change on going is usually degenerative!
3. If you have ever seen the picture of the "evolutionary" tree, you'll see as a creature comes out from the water and "evolves" into "homo-erectus" then into modern day man. Now lots of fossils have been dug up but none has found a missing link between that "wonder cell" and birds. I.e it doesn't account for birds or even plants or other animals like hippopotami or horses.
4. They also say that the dna of a chimpanzee is 97% similar to man. First, after the mapping of the human genome, that gap has increased a huge deal to less than 93%. Also that 7% difference is enough to kill a man. Imagine that a disease like sickle cell anaemia arises when just one codon in the gene sequence is interchanged. This is less than a 0.000001 difference yet it leads to such drastic consequences that can kill the man.
5. Life is so beautifully arranged that to believe it all arose from some cosmic mistake is like believing that the "mona lisa" painting in France arose by the accidental spilling of paint on a canvas!
God Created and wants to have a relationship with the created through His Son Jesus Christ!
EzioAuditore: Lmao! I never expected you to understand! If even the americans that were affected can see past this charade then it takes a special kind of pillock to reject clear evidences. Like I said, I never expected you to understand, you my friend have a tiny mind, its not your fault.
No problem. Why are you now scared for throwing it into the open for more discussion? !
EzioAuditore: Of course it was, continue living in an ignorant world. I guess all the warnings by foreign and internal intelligence to the U.S. of impending attack was ignored because Americans don't care about security right? I guess celebrities like Michael Jackson, mark wahlberg, Seth macfarlane and the rest who pulled out at the last minute for reasons ranging from flu, bed sickness and other stupid excuses, they did so because God loves celebrities. I guess the video of a plane crashing into two buildings with a monologue of coming soon in Johnny bravo was a coincidence. I guess the twin explosions that were heard by victims and seen by witnesses and caught on video right before the planes crashed was also a coincidence. Ask any structural engineer, a plane on its own is not capable of utterly causing the collapse of two buildings, especially the size of the World Trade Center! But if ignorance is what you choose to continue living in, you may believe whatever you want. "Let's blame the Muslims" as usual.
Please open a thread in the technology or politics section about this your re.tarded theory and lets see the kind of response you'll get! Ode!
EzioAuditore: Which nuns? There's a documentary by this atheist, it's called zeitgeist, it also delves into the issue of 911, you'll understand further, or better yet ask any educated American. The worst insult is when the predicted the attack in "Johnny Bravo", yes the cartoon, Google it if you want. I'm saying 911 is the hallmark of terrorist activities, it is what turned the world against Muslims completely, who perpetrated it? I strongly recommend you look for the zeitgeist documentary.
ayoku777: Calling someone "my God" is a statement of fact, not just humility. When we call Jesus "our God" we are not just being humble. Jesus is our God. When Jesus calls the Father "my God" its because the Father is His God.
And just as the Father and the Son are one. The Father and the Son has also made the church one in them.
John 17v21 -That they all may be one; as thou! Father, art in me, and I in thee, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US (Godhead): that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
That we have been made one in the Godhead just as the Father and Son are one, doesn't make us equal to Jesus or the Father.
I think we both agree that the Father is the God of Jesus. And that's all I'm just trying to point out.
If the Father is the God of Jesus (and He is, according to several scriptures) then the idea that:
Father + Son + Holy Spirit = God
Is wrong.
That's all I'm trying to point out.
So your family isn't one although you rightly know you are below your father? !
EzioAuditore: No! So stop playing the blame game. It's not the religion, that's what I want you to understand, who perpetrated 911? Al Qaeda? Lmao! If you actually think that then you're even more delusional than I thought.
So "a bunch of nuns" supposedly carried out the attack but found it comfortable to use islam as a platform. That doesn't exonerate islam!
ayoku777: Jesus is not equal in authority with the Father, and will never be.
Equality in divinity (or humanity) is not equality in authority.
Let me explain.
As a man, you're equal in humanity with your father; everything he has bodily or humanly speaking, you also have. But you are not equal to him in authority. As your father, you're subject to him.
Same thing with angels. In angelic divinity all angels are equals, because they are all angels. Even so, in authority they are not. There are arch angels, Cherubs, Seraphs and regular angels. And they are not equal in authority.
Same thing here. The Father is God and Jesus is God. Jesus is equal in divinity with the Father. Even so, in authority they are not equals. Jesus is not the Father's equal in authority.
The Father is greater than Jesus;
John 14v28 - ...for my Father is greater than I.
The Father is the God of Jesus (even in His resurrected, glorified state);
Rev 3v12 -Him that overcometh, I will make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon Him my new name.
And Jesus is subject to the Father and will be forever;
1Cor 15v28 -And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, the shall the Son also Himself be sublect unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Jesus is God, but He has a God. Jesus is not equal in authority to the Father. Not now, not ever. You can say Jesus is the number two man in the universe.
I'm not saying that Jesus is not God or that He is not above all else except the Father. I'm just saying He has a God too. One He would be subject to for eternity.
Its not together that Jesus and the Father are God, like voltron. Three persons in one God is not true. Jesus is God, the Father is God and the Father is the God of Jesus.
You do know that in a marriage, the couple are taken to be equal to each other although the wife willingly submits to the husband. Now check the word heir. Legally it gives me privileges equal to the co-signer but morally still puts me below the owner of the property in question. Jesus called God the Father His Father but that doesn't mean He doesn't realise that God is above Him although God the Father made Him one with Himself!
Rilwayne001: Deu 21:15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love,
Even David had more than one wife at a point in time. As well as Solomon.
Matthew 19:8-9 NIV
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Polygamy was allowed in the old Testament because of the weakness of the human flesh! Christ came to restore mankind to the way he once was which is free from sin and monogamous marriages. Thats why polygamy isn't welcome in Christiandom. The original plan is the point!
udatso: Can we equally use this in backing up polygamy? Since 1+1+1+1=1, then can a man who is married to two or more wives be one in flesh with them them ie 1 +1+1+ 1+............=1? . If you want to prove trinity, try something else
The second verse shows that the original idea for marriage is monogamy!
ayoku777: I agree with the guy that said your explanation is relative. Because the union between a man and a woman is the same as the union between Christ and His church.
So if you are comparing the union of a man and a woman with the union of the trinity. Then it implies that the church has also being inducted into the "Trinity". Which would be a heresis.
Trinity (three persons in one God) is not scriptural. What the bible teaches is that the Father is God and Jesus is God; and the Father is the God of Jesus.
It is not together that they are God. The Father is the God of Jesus; just as Jesus is our God. And it will be so for all eternity.
Philippians 2:5-11 NIV
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Genesis 2:24 NIV
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
Genesis 1:26 NIV
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
The first verse goes to show that God is one. Not one person but one in unity just like illustrated in the second verse of two people; male and female, coming together to become one! Hence the one goes to show unity of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. The third verse confirms the presence of the Trinity at creation hence there are Three Personalities in one unity or accord. If man is made up of body, soul and spirit (e.g some people talk to themselves; I.e a soul, body conversation) then our Creator in whose image we are made has a Holy Spirit by which He holds all things in unity in the church and a Son with whom He interacts (like a human body) with the Creation. The Son interacted most with humanity by coming into the world to show us the Way and by sacrificing His life on the Cross, empower those who believe in Him to live a victorious life here and after. If a person cannot believe in the oneness of the Triune God, he or she should not bother in believing in the oneness of a married couple! Fact!
EzioAuditore: Just as you're wrong about Porto shocking bayern, you're also dead wrong about Islam! The horrors perpetrated by christians in this world Muslims cannot possibly come close to that in 100 years!
So boko haram and isis are justified in their actions?! Keep it up!
RoyPCain: @yungwizzzy; so what you are saying is that sarah is blame worthy if not both sarah and abraham?
here is my take as a father; if a woman is good enough that my wife can see good in her to be mother of my child, if i became a father through her, no one can rip away the bond or indeed try to destroy the love that exist between me his father and he my son. whether the child is from a slave woman or an unattractive wife, the equation remain the same as it will remain with if mother was the most beautiful and wealthiest woman.
look at prince charles and camella.
in all my years, i have never seen a relation distorted as the relationship between father abraham and son ishmael by those who didn't live it, but wished to project a certain image for a specific goal, forgetting that in their water tight argument, the sprout leaks a lot of water into the house; God of the bible took interest in son of His Personal and Intimate Friend that He named him ishmael. has the bible God ever honored anyone before or after honorably naming Ishmael and be dishonored by God for another person just for flimsy excuse as 'its from your regular wife that i will bless you'.
this excuse could not possibly come from God Who is The Owner as Creator of all and His Mercy is inclusive, until the one rejected is so because of non repentance. no child is a sinner from birth while the other child is not. the love of father is always taken to account and God will not dismiss what is dear to the heart of abraham just because of a woman. the blessing of God is so because of the obedience of abraham, hence it makes no diddly sense to ignore who came from abraham as his first son who was only son before other birth and just jump on the 2nd child as if the 1st child is jut evil.
you people made God what God is not. Alhamdulillah that the deception woven was exposed in the bible as well because when abraham died, ishmael was right there to bury his father and no one saw him as being unloved or show any anger, bitterness, etc. isaac his baby brother never stopped talking about him so much that we can conclude that jacob knew his uncle enough to tell his children about his goodness and indeed it is possible that he visited many times. sarah didn't show disgust anytime about ishmael. so the statement that he must be thrown out along with his mother was a lie upon sarah.
everything is local. what is moral in india may be immoral in nigeria. the indian women expose their belly buttons while thats is a no no in nigeria. ethical quality again is local. when a man calls his mother woman, his community adulterous generation, his students people of no understanding and people of other ethnicity compared to dog, if we say this is morality, then the one whose mother's grave was visited and wept bitterly there, calling his people to abandon paganism and worship Allah in the original religion of father abraham, beloved by his students so much so that they wished they die and ransomed him with their parents, telling everyone that ethnicity will amount to nothing before God, except piety towards God will mean everything could not be considered unethical. or in what sense can anyone use to blame the later if the former is excused?
God does not die and any resurrection when it happened will be of slaves/creation of God and they will be standing for His Judgment. Moses [as] is the most important prophet of the jews so much so that Jesus was sent by God to restore what was given to Moses. Jesus lived the laws of Moses and admonished his jewish people to continue on it and whoever wished to abandon it is the least before God. Moses was a warrior, like the arab prophet [SA]. Moses was a law giver like the arab prophet. Moses was a king without the throne, the crown, the palace, the court just like the arab prophet. Moses formed a dynasty just like the arab prophet. how is the arab prophet not honored by you people, just as you honored Moses, or you no dey honor Moses?
i do not know how a man is married just like how his community married and you call him a pedophile. do you people have any sense, at all? there are so many of you that belong in the bush and i don't know how you find your way to the places that you have access to 21st century products of communication? the enemies repeat the same thing over and over like broken record and will not have anything original to say, except what they have been taught. well, it aint working. you may have to develop a new mouse trap which i am sure inshaAllah we will make it snap on you, trapping you in your ignorance.
First of all, no spirit dies. I can tell you categorically that the flesh of Jesus "gave up the ghost" making his spirit go into hell to save humanity by taking over the keys of hell and death and preaching to souls there. So the resurrection was an act of His body. Even if a sinner dies, the soul will be present somewhere; hell or heaven. The Bible equally makes it clear that it is through Isaac, Abraham's generation will be reckoned. Isaac was the legitimate child and one of Promise. Hence Ishmael's followers depend on the law (first come first serve) for hope while Isaac followers (Jews and Christians) depend on grace and the miracle or resurrection (as sarah and Abraham's parts literally had to resurrect to birth Isaac.) The point therefore is that no man can attain righteousness through works of the flesh (religion) but rather through the Grace of God given to mankind through Christ Jesus at the Cross!
EzioAuditore: That is called the Kalmatu shahadah dumbo, even a baby can recite that. The Kalmatu shahada existed before the Quran. Other terror acts you just have to be a "Muslim" for people to attack islam. You don't even need to say why you're doing it! Hitler was a Christian from a Christian home, accept it!
Keep living in deceit. Its an islamic term. Used only in islam not Buddhism. Porto might shock bayern. Post your lie. It won't change the fact that islam and terrorism are synonymous. Which is sad as you people are more valuable to God and humanity than being petty touts!
EzioAuditore: I'm not passing final judgement on you, that's for the almighty! I am condemning you based on the fact that you do not follow your Holy book, hence you're not a good christian! Do you want me to prove your worshipping a pagan God?
Go and put your life to good use! "Condemning". You can knock yourself out. I'll probably review it after I'm done following barca's match!
EzioAuditore: A Muslim doesn't have to quote the Quran for you to brand him a Muslim terrorist does he! Your rules must also apply to you.
Have you looked at boko haram's or isils logo?! As a matter of fact, all terrorist groups! You know where the arabic inscriptions come from right? The quran!
EzioAuditore: So destructive criticism doesn't apply to ideologies? Lmao! That's just stupid, and I don't worship a pagan God, you do! And i can prove it to you in one post if you want?
Keep judging humans! We'll figure out which is worse with time!
Jesus Christ lived one of the most ethical lives in the planet hence fulfilling the law! But He went a step further and allowed His all powerful self to be crucified on a cross so that by faith in His death and resurrection, all mankind can have a hope of a new recreated life and spirit! Accept His grace and gift today!
One arabian riffraff on the other hand spent his lousy lifetime fighting wars, rampaging through cities stealing the valuables of their inhabitants, marrying off more women than his overactive penis could need, raping vulnerable women (maybe even men on closer observation) and engaging in pedophilia! Avoid the reta.rd mohammed!
EzioAuditore: Oh! But you were delving in destructive criticism of Islam were you not? This whole thread was created for that! Lies lies and more lies! I judged you on the fact that you admitted to being picky about what you follow in the bible, I suggest when someone is engaged in an argument he can't win, the honorable thing to do is to run so I won't blame you. "Allahu yahdee ka ila siradal mustaqeem"
Islam is not a person. I can't be castigated for analysing an ideology! Blah blah pagan occultic crap! Judgemental loser!
EzioAuditore: He was a product of Christianity was he not? He came from a Christian home! That's a burden that you have to carry on your backs. He also hated atheists and occultists which meant he wasn't one of either, he was definitely a Christian.
EzioAuditore: Lol! You do know that the Jews call jesus a liar and a hippie right, they call is mum, Mary a LovePeddler. As for terrorism, Christianity produced HITLER! Game set, match! I don't think Muslims will ever be able to kill as many as this one christian did.
EzioAuditore: Yeah right, Nigerian slum, lol! Well slavery be it mental or physical is slavery, for me, I am a mental and physical slave only of the almighty himself. You really need to reevaluate your life and where your religion is headed because you are not even a good christian, judging by the fact that you don't follow your holy book.
Lemme define "judging" for you; condemning someone without providing any form of assistance to the person. I.e destructive criticism. Now read your post again and figure out who the judgmental hypocrite is! Have a nice day!
RoyPCain: i am sure Islam must have been over 2 centuries in my family; me, my late father, his father, his grandfather if i stop there. my father was capable of telling a liar from the one telling the truth. i met him alive and his father was dead before my birth. the issue at hand is that what drove christians to accept christianity may even be a watered down evidence compared to the strong evidence that makes people enter Islam; God is 1 and everything else is created, ordered to worship Him.
Muhammad [SA] did not do less than what i stated. in fact, he did more than that, because he fine tuned the unfitting definition of the Quality of God both from the tribal supremacy jews keeping God for themselves as if the rest of us is not entitled to know our Creator, the christians lower quality of God so much so that He must become His Own sacrifice as human so that He can even be approachable to forgive. i will just ignore the attitude of the conglomerate idol worship because we claiming to be monotheists do agree upon their awkward view of God.
what Muhammad [SA] has done is what he was commanded to do; correct the wrong viewpoint so that God can be seen as Universal to us, approachable by all without barrier, which is the greatest Love and Care shown and confirm that God is unlike His creatures.
the word jihadist is coined to denigrate Islam and muslims similar to the long ago wrong label heaped on us as mohammedanism and mohammedan. the kwarajites which the non muslims call jihadists in their evil which in reality is not sanctioned by Islam has provided the needed gift to the enemies. however, to us in Islam, we know what Islam commands in our own lives and by this knowledge we know those whose actions are anti islam in spite of shouting Allahu Akbar.
below is a video that is 11 minutes long by an australian daiy talking about the insincerity of those shouting down Islam because they are enemies of guidance and not just because Islam is not a norm for human:
ISIS can't be true in their islam as the prophet [SA] and his companions [RA] were, even those generations that came after. yet the prophet {SA} and his companions [RA] suffered much that they flee to Ethiopia and finally to Madina. it was the khawarijit [muslim in name only] that killed Hussain [RA] the grandson of the prophet. the true people in jihad are those who are struggling against themselves to not go astray before they will ever pick up defense and never the beginner of war when peace trumps it, always.
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists Can't Find The "Missing Link"! by kay1one2(op): 5:24pm On Apr 22, 2015
