₦airaland Forum

GudluckIBB:
Later some people will be blaming buhari on the economy

See the monies looted under jonathan, is that not enough to start a New Economy?

How can you loot such an amount of money and you expect the next govt to perfom magic over night?

Well-done Buhari atleast stealing is no longer corruption as its used to be under jonathan.

After diligent and professional investigation, all affected persons should be charged and prosecuted accordingly. I would like to know though, are these allegedly looted funds more than what has been generated and is within the coffers of the Nigerian purse and has been at the disposal of this administration from its inception till date? If no, why then have we not seen any tangible development and improvement in the lives of citizens and the economy? Is it all about arresting and prosecuting alleged looters of public funds? Where is the tangible outcome of this fight against corruption? What changes have been set up in the system to check waste and theft by heads of parastatals, directors, procurement teams etc for instance? Where is the improvement in the health sector?

This obsesion with feeding smacks of madness to me. The right n sane thing in my opinion should be to build lasting legacies in the educational sector. For instance, a certain standard must be met for the structural integrity and maintenance of all public primary schools. There must be a minimum number of schools in all communities or LGs, ensure strict/mandatory attendance of schools for all children of school age, provide free books and uniforms to the children, set up viable and transparent scholarship schemes so that the brightest ones are guaranteed further education dependent on performance... These are areas that a developing country like ours needs to tackle for future development. When these are in place, the govt may then choose to feed children if the funds are there. Mass govt feeding cannot be a priority!!

Thebachelor:
With regionalism it will be easier for the country to disintegrate.

In a properly operated regional system of government, secession doesn't just happen, there are conditions which must be met even before getting to the stage of a referendum. I do not think there should be a reason or need to fear disintegration because no tribe or region or ethnic group must belong to Nigeria to survive or for Nigeria to survive.

I have a problem with this phrase 'True Federalism'. There is federalism, simple and short! Nigeria just succeeded in bastardising her own by enforcing unitary norms in a supposed fedral structure and that is the most prominent cause of majority of the issues we face today.

How unfortunate!

wordcat:
Mwata kpachuo ibe ya n'nku, asi na-okpara n'ajo ofia.

Gbam!!! Iji ya! Uka a gbasa go!

Inova:
And why do you attribute the use of power bank to power failure. Its is not designed as an alternative to power but as a portable solution when you are far away from a power source. Haba

How does this ur response relate to what I said?

Chineke!!!

dikeigbo2:
Very touching, and was treated fast and successful..... Unlike here where everything works with snail speed , non challant atitudes and nonsense protocols..

Ah! Before they reject him in two or three hospitals then the ones that will ask for police report. Finally there will be no light to treat or operate and then his death will be announced.

I say we must know the truth!!!

Same old bullshit; absolute dog crap!!

The writer of this piece is just as pretentious and evil as they come. The fact that he comes form a very faulty and flawed understanding of the agitation for a separate existence and independence makes nonsense of this piece and exposes the underlying wickedness and ignorance of the writer. The op talked about a certain Charles who had to relocate after his clothing shop was razed down in one of the episodes of the constant ethno-religious clashes of Wukari town. A broken hearted man, Charles had to leave the town he had come to know as home and where he had grown up as a brother and even spoke unimpeachable Hausa, Jukun and Tiv.

After this bit of history, how does the op react to Charles unfortunate and painful experience in the hands of northerners? All he does is pray that Charles would someday return to Wukari! Where is justice for Charles? Why was he attacked and his property destroyed in the first place? What offence did he commit other than be an Igbo man and a Christian? He adapted as much as possible and even imbibed the languages of the host so what was his crime really? He is just one out of millions of Igbos that have suffered this form of injustice, some murdered in cold blood or maimed for life with huge losses incurred. Which one perpetrator of such crimes has been prosecuted and jailed? Which state or federal government has even talked of compensating these losses? Where is the guarantee that people like Charles are safe if he comes back to Wukari? WHERE IS JUSTICE FOR IGBOS THAT HAVE SUFFERED DO UNJUSTLY BECAUSE OF TRIBAL AND RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE? Why should they now remain under the same name and within same boundaries with evil oppressors and blood sucking murderers like the op's tribesmen and fellow religious fanatics? Are they expected to just stay and endure such demonic misdeeds against the Igbos?

Now you assume that Nigeria allowed the Igbos to forage freely, what then is the crime if they don't want to remain under the name of Nigeria again?

I am so certain the will detain this man n do everything to scuttle this civil protest.

banmee:
Ok. Ok. I'll try one last time to feed your ignorance with knowledge. Keep in mind, excuses are not allowed. And that nonsense about what applies in A might not be applicable in B is the Nigerian mentality talking. How come every normal society use the same application?

1. Get a functioning database of every single person in Nigeria.

2. With that you'll know who's who in Nigeria.

3. With that knowledge, you can start to implement taxation strategies.

4. Use the funds generated for what they are supposed to.

Now herein lies the problem. You will start to make excuses about how this is Nigeria and it would not work. How is that my problem? If you keep making excuses, then how do you get out of the doldrums you are in? I know you are a hag with nothing to live for, but think about the generations to come. Think of them.

Lol...ur mother is the hag with nothing to live for, u're certainly not the reason for anyone to want to live.

My problem with u was how u just jumped into taxation without modalities in place and that's why I kept harping on the need for d govt to first get its act together. One of those ways is data collection and before that data is collected effectively it must set up and have in place effective technology and a working blueprint of how to go about it. This in itself is tied to smart n forward thinking govt functionaries that understand n have what it takes to deliver good governance.

It's obviously too much for u to task ur minute brain and comprehension a pipe dream for u otherwise you'd understand why I said that what works in A is not necessarily applicable to B unless the same premises are in place. The US n other countries u love to compare Nigeria with have mostly functional n up to date data which is just one tool for effective taxation while Nig doesn't so how can there be an effective taxation system?

It will only work in Nigeria if the right foundation is laid. That is the starting point which d government must put in place before further taxation can be imposed on the citizens. Without the necesary basics in place, ur taxation theory will only amount to further oppression and complete ripping off of the Nigerian masses. You do not put the cart before the horse!

banmee:
You are duller than the usual Nairalander. That's bad. I even used the car analogy and you still did not get it. Just because you have lazy state governors who don't know what the phuck they are doing does not mean we don't run a federal system. There is no law saying that state governors cannot generate their own income. Just because they don't do what they are supposed to does not mean that Nigeria is not a federal state. Keep making excuses for your ineptitude and ignorance. And what question? Why should i keep feeding you with knowledge when you are duller than a blunt knife.

I'll leave u to ur crass ignorance then. Of course u see the folly of ur blind assertions and that's why u can't answer the question. You're also too shallow to comprehend d fact that reality is a far cry from idealism n furthermore, what is applicable in A is not necessarily applicable in B at least until all premises are the same.

Car analogy? When u wreck d functional parts that actually bring forth d beauty n importance of a car how then does it work? It's practically grounded n it's functionality lost! Until it's restored by d operators, the passengers are stuck.

Get some real education n life experience, broaden ur mind with knowledge so u don't come off as a complete dolt.

banmee:
Just because you don't maintain your car and run it down does not make it any less a car. Why in God's name can't you understand this simple fact. I said "We run the same exact system as the united states where the states have the same powers to generate revenue as the center and to form partnerships for that purpose". The fact that you all don't understand governance is your problem and on one else's. The fact that corruption is Nigeria's bane is no one's problem but yours. What is stopping the states from generating revenue? Why must they wait for the center before they can do anything? Why did you live in the U.K? If you ask me, you wasted your time because you lived in the U.K, but you never let the U.K live in you. Shame.

Hehehe...too many words without knowledge. I addressed d bolded by referring u to d Exclusive list so u need to understand how it works. Until u take time out n study u will remain d empty barrel u epitomise with so much noise n no substance.

I'll tell u for free though, we do not run the same exact system as the United States where the states have the same powers to generate revenue as the center. That automatically limits d nature of partnerships formed for developmental purposes.

I can't understand why u didn't answer d simple I asked though. I would really love to see ur view on how more taxation is d cure to Nigeria's ills especially for funding school children's feeding program.

We'll soon hear that the use of power bank by d Channels TV anchor is a calculated attempt to discredit d APC government. After that we'll hear she's been sacked and being investigated for fraud by d EFCC.

Not surprised.

But mehn! The grammar on that link in reporting this news ehn! Looks like something that will be denied sef

banmee:
1. You are still making excuses.

2. Using corruption as an excuse is ridiculous to say the least. That is your problem and your problem alone.

3. Nigeria already has the perfect system of government. Because you and almost everyone else in Nigeria don't understand it's concept is no one's problem but yours. Nigeria is a federation. We run the same exact system as the united states where the states have the same powers to generate revenue as the center and to form partnerships for that purpose. Oil has diluted the meaning in the minds of Nigeria. case in point; you.

4. Just because you lived in the U.K does not mean you assimilated anything. Not everyone can comprehend. As evidenced by your argument.

You are absolutely wrong. We do not run the same system as the US. We copied but wrecked it in practice. Go and read up. Find out what d federal executive list means and how it translates to generation of funds in Nigeria. Does Washington, the seat of power gather n distribute funds to the states in the US? Go and study well and don't make ignorant assertions please! In fact this is d bane of our existence as a country.

For the sake of argument, how do u propose more taxation in view of low earnings, real fraud n corruption in governance and other ills? If d government will not be expected to do its job first before increasing taxation, because according to u, that is making excuses so how do u expect d increase taxes to work?

Likewise, despite desperate attempts with statements to d contrary, u really do not comprehend d tenets of good governance

banmee:
God!! It's like talking to a child. I need to break this down barney style;

1. Normal countries are built on taxation.

2. Nigeria needs to start doing it the normal way.

3. What you think is taxation in Nigeria is not. I don't blame you for not knowing this. Nigeria has phucked your mind up.

4. Saying that Nigeria is dysfunctional or it doesn't work in Nigeria is your problem. If it can work in Normal countries but not in Nigeria, what does that tell you? How do you get Nigeria to function? is it not by doing things the normal way?

5. Taxing banks and electricity tariffs is just the tip of the iceberg. Just like you don't understand what governance is, you don't understand taxation. Everything should be taxed. What would you do if you were German where to get a drivers licence would cost you almost 2,000 Euro?

6. Get educated.

7. Get exposed.

8. Change your mentality.

There must be practical effects n manifestation of d proceeds of taxation. The taxes so far taken, where is the effect of its use?

Do u realise u are comparing apples n oranges? The European n other developed countries u cite, what is the earning power of its citizens? How much tax can u really squeeze out of a minimum wage earner of 18k in Nigeria? Do u then propose that the government should tax him more before he can reap the rewards?

There are basic infrastructure which ought to be in place like electricity, good roads, water supply and so on. I am trying to let u know that at this time, it is impracticable to tax more! Not all governments or societies function on taxes. The resources at d disposal of d governments at all levels should be effectively deployed towards provision of basics and better income then d people can pay whatever taxes and still have a decent living wage or more!

A Driver's license may cost that much and in Germany, it does not amount to much because the economy n spending power of d citizens are sound! I'm certain u know d equivalent of that sum in Naira. Now Even a tenth of that sum for procurement of drivers licenses is more than salaries of a lot of graduates here!

More taxation in Nigeria simply amounts to more money in d hands of government to steal n misuse with minimal accountability and nothing gets done. The real change starts from revamping the system of governance here, setting up effective systems of service deliveries, empowering the courts n with better trained govt officials. Do u realise d Nigerian constitution makes it impossible to legally demand an explanation for failed government service deliveries even where funds are allocated n expended to that effect? Simply because the courts don't have power to entertain such suits!

The real change so desired starts from d government playing its role because Nigerian citizens have been shortchanged for too long. We shouldn't still be a mono-resource dependent country till now and u see d effect today. It's d height of fraud that most Nigerian homes n businesses pay estimated electricity bills of as much as 10-15k per month in one bedroom residential apartments for instance because the regulators deliberately refuse to install pre-paid meters which measure actual consumption. This is d case even when there's hardly any power supplied and as a result of the increased tariffs I mentioned earlier. You really advocate more taxes paid into such a warped system? Is this d case in America n Germany u used as examples? Is it more taxes that will bring about a more honest, visionary and proactive leadership/government?

So young man, no, Nigeria is unique in this regard and normalcy or change needs to start from the system of governance n public awareness. Taxation is not d way out because of appalling poverty levels. You cannot compare Nigeria n Europe now, it's unfortunate but that's d situation we're in now.

Finally, I have lived n worked in d Uk so I understand d European system at least as far as d Uk is concerned. Your attempt at putting my level of education n exposure down only shows your insecurity n misplaced sense of superiority.

banmee:
Going back to what your infantile brain cannot comprehend. When would you want the change you desperately need to begin? You keep saying the country is dysfunctional so what do you do to make it functional? Is it not by the things that makes other normal systems function? Are you retarded or something?

Let me follow ur dull reasoning a bit. The government has already increased taxation in some sectors for instance d #50 stamp duty on every deposit above 1k in current accounts, d increase in electricity tariffs and even d recent increase in petrol pump prices. These represent increased revenue for d FG already. Where is d effect being felt? How have Nigerians benefitted?

banmee:
I will start from the bottom of your post because you are thinking with your asss. The most important resource is the human resource and Nigeria has plenty of it. It is a tax heaven if handled by a normal country. Keyword here is normal. I don't know which level of education you have, but you tax to be prosperous and continue taxing to maintain. If only you had taken the time to read and understand what i was saying. You are making excuses for why you are phucked up as a people. Who cares? Who's business is it but yours. Who's problem it is but yours? Who created the situation you are in but you? So, when and how do you want the transformation you seek to begin when you can't even acknowledge the way normal people do business. See why Nigeria is so phucked up? Because of people like you thinking and walking around. And there are millions like you in the country. God help una.

Good gracious! I've got a simpleton and basket case on my hands! It is stated clearly that Nigeria is dysfunctional hence the patent foolishness of ur opinion n suggestion within this context. Nowhere in my post did I put down the importance n benefits of taxation when handled properly n proceeds deployed effectively for development n good governance.

I simply pointed out d impropriety of such in view of the current prevalent situation along with the pompous sense of self importance which ur post reeked of. This is even worse!

Human resources are absolutely important but unfortunately, whether u like it or not, the reality on ground is a majority of those humans currently impoverished n financially weakened. Any increase in taxation without a definite amelioration of inevitable hardship will amount to 'oppression' which the same humans will kick against. The first n most pertinent question will always be, 'What has been done with taxes already being paid?' The program seeking to be funded is a welfarist one not designed to yield any profit. What normal country embarks on such in the face of stark economic decline and hardship? What was d feasibility in the first instance? It is a prosperous populace that can afford to be taxed for social welfare/interventions but right now, the all important human resources are absolutely not prosperous apart from a few in whose hands wealth is concentrated.

No matter how in love with d ideal u are, u must face d real situation. The government must first rid itself of dullness n ineptitude and articulate/implement policies that actually bring money n benefits into d pockets of d people along with a vibrant economy and then taxation becomes sine qua non.

When u come sounding all pompous, important and knowledgeable without saying anything useful at the end of ur diatribe, u come off sounding even more ignorant than d so called children u feel you're educating.

First of all, did u even take into cognisance d fact that Nigeria is completely dysfunctional? Who is to pay d federal tax? Is it the parents of the children d FG is proposing to feed or who? In what context do u even refer to federal tax within d Nigerian structure?

The federating units as dependent as they are on the FG, contrary to what federalism truly embodies, they are already groaning under the weight of bills n expenditure within the states so what is the basis of 'increasing federal tax?' Have federal salaries increased? Is s govt too dumb n weak to find means of reviving the economy and raising d resources it needs so that it has to resort to further taxing the general populace in order to fund its projects? Is the proposed social welfarism d way to go in the face of looming economic depression?

Increased taxation only makes economic sense when there is actual economic prosperity with a buoyant economy and stronger spending power for d citizens.
Make God help you.

banmee:
I keep saying it. Not one single Nigerian understands what governance is and how it is accomplished. This is the reason the country is in perpetual reverse and it's citizen are just following gullibly. In a normal society, the government would not even ask. All they need to do is increase federal tax on certain items. Case closed. Nigeria and by extension, Nigerians have serious issues and they don't even know. Their leaders don't understand what governance is. The citizens don't either. So, which way forward na? Sometimes when i comment on Nairaland, i feel like i am trying to educate children. God help una.

I hope we really wake up and get this government to do the right thing. There is too much power at the center with too many dumb n greedy idiots running the show. Decentralise power and let d bottle feeding stop.

Very good. This is the absolute responsibility of the FG. No Nigerian should be deceived when these APC liars come out tomorrow n declare d clueless, unrealistic and impracticable feeding program a failure because state governments did not provide counterpart funding.

See rubbish na. The same National Hospital wrote to the same court recommending Metuh be treated abroad and d biased judge refused now he's complaining that d hospital didn't write to him before transferring Metuh to Lagos. Why do Southerners like to be more Catholic than the Pope?

Still, d same federal high court deemed religion more important than health, certainly more so than d case before it and that's why someone was allowed to proceed for hajj while havin a corruption case pending!

ItsMeAboki:
That last part did nothing to undo the catastrophic damage already made in the first part of your post - it seems you are the one who is has been made blind and senseless by your own very public bigotry.

My opinion is my business. I am well aware there is no source. I am also completely at liberty to comment on the op. I don't see why you're running ur mouth n havin a heart attack over my comment. Is it today u desert dwellers started trying to snuff d life n rights of Southerners so u can soak ur dirty hadiths n quran in d Atlantic? Why are u pretending that these things don't happen? Or are u worried Southerners are coming out of their slumber and are determined to protect their own turfs?

ItsMeAboki:
Look at you, already frothing in the mouth and spewing conspiracy theories based on a story without any source, therefore of questionable credibility that could easily have been concocted and written in the back streets of Aba.
I just pity the way some ppl react and think - SMH

Are u blind? Read my last statement before u start blabbing.

Regional confederation is the way to go or split. If the govt decides to fight n 'crush' supposed enemies, it will only cause grave losses in both sides and still lose. Even it's legitimacy will die.

Bribing anyone is corruption. It is obvious that regional autonomy and resource control is back to the centre stage. This government, if it has any sense, had better get on the side of the people and give them more power m control over their resources both human n material. The moment the freedom fighters of the East fine tune their tactics and win d hearts of the people particularly in the region, d government will be crippled because it will lose both public support and material resources.

I always say it is better to negotiate from a position of strength. Now there is room to bargain, acede to the real path to development and good governance while there is still a bit of goodwill. Kick start d public consultations and participation, review d confab and let d legislature get useful now those structures are still recognised.

Kai! People hate truth just cos they hate the ideology n desires of a particular people. OP! What exactly do u gain from people of old Eastern Nigeria? Are they no longer a nuisance that like to occupy other people's regions? Amnesty International reported that most of the Igbos murdered by the Army were shot I'm the back indicating that they weren't confrontational but either fleeing or ambushed. Who does that if not cold blooded murderers?

Where are d arms recovered by d army from the scene if they claim that IPOB members were armed? Where are d corpses of d policemen supposedly burned?

OgaTheTop2:
What they couldn't ask Jonathan they are asking Federal govt.

Government is ad continum. Jonathan was President now Buhari is. It's d same FG

irunooboo:
Reno is a fool and sympathetic to biafra all because GEJ was booted out of power.

Apparently u see Biafra in ur dreams don't u? You are so passionately n vehemently against it like there's something special u derive from Biafrans but u and I know u detest them so why bring them up in practically every post? It's gotten so that ur brain is so frozen u can't tell when it's relevant or not even when a post has absolutely nothing to do with them.

Reno now supports Biafra? Grow up n stay on topic please!

Commissioner tinz!! Now even our security has been turned to a totally northern/islamic affair and so a whole Acting President cannot summon them on view of d tenuous security situation in Nigeria. It's all about the interest of the north so it's obvious that if for any reason, buhari can no longer function as president, these idiots will most likely attempt to assassinate Prof Yemi, hijack d country n do everything possible to make sure he never gets to be substantive president just cos he's from the South.

Are we really safe? Is their loyalty to Nigeria or just to d person not even office of d President?

Meanwhile op where is ya source?