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Roland17:
Both teams are skating hard, this is one of the biggest adjustments that the Oilers made that helped them get back in this series. Their forecheck has also improved as they are pressing the puck and covering the openings pretty high.

This is my first time watching ice hockey. I don't understand the tactics, but the athleticism is incredible. No one is giving an inch at all,

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. I just dey fear for those referees

The pace of the NHL game 7 is wild. .
Are the games always like this? It is ridiculous in a very good way WOW. Just WOW

benji93:
Hellooooooo, and you just went with it because he said so? He didn't even reference the games he watched and when they were played so that we can have some direction in our search. A reference to where wee can get those full games would be great. This doesn't augur well for you. You can't just make such grand claims and not provide suitable references. Again, how do we get those full games?

The six full games we found tapes for from Jordan’s Defensive Player of the Year campaign:

Atlanta at Chicago: Nov. 20, 1987

Indiana at Chicago: Jan. 5, 1988

Denver at Chicago: Jan. 7, 1988

Detroit at Chicago: Jan. 16, 1988

Atlanta at Chicago: Feb. 15, 1988

Boston at Chicago: Mar. 18, 1988

PS: one of the reasons they published is to see if the publicity can get them access to more full game tape. The ones they got were from vhs tapings of nba Europe

benji93:
I won't be surprised if this is true for good reasons, and ofcourse it would be easier to get away with that then. However, all you need to do is send us the full game. Period. If it's so i will admit it.

That is where I also stand, the nba or a private collector should have all those games and I for one will be interested in reading/watching a deep dive on thise games and not just MJs, also some of those ridiculous John Stockton assist numbers.
That is where modern basketball trives, the other year people accused the Grizzlies of juicing JJJ stats and the writer of the yahoo sports article was one of those who did the review of every home game and confirmed that his stats were just as counted.

A40:
You know Bronsexuals are desperate when they start bringing up steals from 36 years ago. A Stat that doesn't even influence winning or losing and anyone with a working brain knows this was likely a league wide thing

Anyways warra 5th ring and DPOY for LeNomad

MJ fans can just be delusional, one of the guys involved in this has already published work on Van exel's 25 assists game, Shaq's 15 block game and nobody called it witch hunting but talk about MJ and it becomes about LeBron.
A Latvian historian while looking through the record books noticed that a player got more steals than the opposition got TOs in one game, and also noticed again that the same player got the same amount of steals in another games as the opposition got TOs which implied that there was no deadball TOs which is ridiculous. This dude watched basketball when it was on tape delay in Europe in the 1980s, but that is who you are accusing of being a LeBron Stan.
Just ridiculous, the fact is pre 2000s there was a lot of juicing of home stats, and pointing it out is not and will never be a witchhunt.

PS : Also, the second guy involved in the research was one of the guys who helped confirm that JJJ DPOY numbers were not juiced when the grizzlies were accused of cooking his blocks stats

benji93:
Oh, the league didn't keep records? And was the game you watched on youtube a full game? Please answer these questions and tag the youtube video. Thank you.

The league didn't have its own record keepers in that era, so each home team recorded the boxscores for the game. Unlike now where the teams have theirs, plus the nbas guys and also all sports books have multiple people checking to make sure that boxscores are accurate.
As for the 10 steals game, it's not a full game on youtube but a 4 minute highlight reel on nba.com. the title says 10 steals, but after watching it, you will only see 6 steals.
This highlight reel is what prompted the Latvian nba historian to look into the whole 1988 Jordan steals and block stats. He could only find 6 home games and with the Yahoo sports writer as the other watcher, they found 12 steals while the boxscores gave MJ 28.

PS: The Latvian historian has other stories he himself have published about stats juicing, from van excel 25 assist games (he saw at most 17, and in his opinion that is with stretching the definition of what an assist was). Also, the 15-block Shaq game, the tape, showed about 10

Roland17:
It was until it isn’t anymore. The Oilers were down 3-0 in a 7 game series but have gone on a 3 game winning streak to now tie the series. The Oilers have perhaps the most talented player in the NHL today and the only thing missing in his cabinet is a Stanley Cup. Monday is game 7 in Florida and it would be wild..

Wait both teams won 3 games in a row. I will need to make out time for the game 7, it is bound to be tense

Roland17:
Had a come back from 3-0 down to win a series ever happened? Make I check because this would be the ultimate collapse if it happens.

You guys that are watching NHL wetin dey happen. I thought the series was following the nba finals trend for a while there?

steady986:
My brother. I dey follow am o. Things are occurring

. In those days the home team had their own score keeper. One of the game is on YouTube, they gave the man 10steals when he actually had just 6. People will find that 42 home games and go through every bit of it, then we go see how far.

Anyone following the home cooking stats giveaway story of the 1980s nba? .
16 free steals in 6 games, you just can't make this stuff up

etidy:
Same wolves lost three in a row to this mavs team in the WCF and also lost 3 games in a row to the nuggets after goal 2-0 up.

. People with revisionist history, something we just saw less than a month ago and someone is already saying the Wolves wouldn't have lost 3 in a row, when they did it in back to back series

A40:
Look at this joker THJ

We needed just 1 or 2 buckets in game 3 you goofball

If they can move that guy for a starting caliber piece even if it means adding picks to facilitate the trade it will be huge coup for the Mavericks.

Every game has at least one DWhite block

greypencils:
What Kyrie is doing so far is cementing the claim that he is NO batman. Right now, he is not even being a robin. And to think I once thought he deserved a shot at being a part of NBA 75. Delusion on my part. More deluded are those who think Kyrie is better than Iverson. With Mr Kyrie's handles, he should at least have a scoring title, but Mba! He doesn't. Iverson is the real nigger. Meanwhile Jokic, has cemented his place in history. No other player has stepped up three years after NBA 75. Also about NBA 75, I think I understand why Dwight Howard wasn't on that list. Rudy Gobert that has won DPOY 4 times would make anyone cringe if his name is mentioned in any context relating to any NBA list, not to talk less of Howard who has just 3.

Kyrie as a 1v1 player will always be great, but this discussion is why when I listen to some ex players it always seems at least to me that they put too much value into that 1v1 ability calling guys who can do it at an elite level real hoppers.
For me the NBA is a 5vs5 game not a 1vs1 game. Yes if we had a 1v1 tournament I would take AI over Nash, but if it's a give each guy 6 other players to play nba 5on5 basketball I will take Nash any day of the week and on Sundays too

steady986:
What are you even saying? $70m 6yr contract is a low ball offer? Even if it would have made him the 5th highest paid coach in the league? I don't think money was the issue in all this. Hurley didn't want to take on the challenge, moreso because he was a king in college basketball and had the opportunity of doing a 3-peat. And who knows, UConn would probably table a better offer than the 6yr $32m they gave him.

Yes it is a low ball offer based on the circumstances. If it was to coach the Hornets or Cavaliers then that is understandable, but for the Lakers with all the external headaches that comes with it, add the fact that he will be leaving an ideal situation, then they should have offered him closer to what Monty got in Detroit.

A40:
Kidd has left him too long in the doghouse I doubt he can even play now but that's my issue with these coaches and their inconsistency cos you can't tell me THJ is worse than Kleber. And I don't even rate THJ much but is he really worse than Exum? Hardy? At least that's a veteran guard that has been in the playoffs before

Yes he is worse than Kleber, Kleber is supposed to guard big men and he does an okay job at it. Yes his offense i.e shooting is sporadic but he will always put in a shift on defence and knows when to stop shooting if his shot is not falling.
THJ on the other hand is supposed to guard wings, and he his a worse sieve than Luka, plus the dude
can go 0-10 from 3 and keep on shooting bricks.

So its a choice between a good defender, who is sporadic on offense, but is self aware enough not to continue launching bricks and a very bad defender whose offense is better but when it's bad can kill you because he will not stop shooting.

Team building matters a lot with regards to winning. THJ is the 3rd highest cap hit on the Mavericks with 17mil and he cannot get on the court through out the playoffs, on the other hand the Celtics have their 7 highest cap hits playing almost all of the minutes.
The good news for the Mavericks is that their new GM seems to know what he his doing.

chic2pimp:
Looool....This is what Happens when Jrue is the 4th offensive option as opposed to being the 2nd as He was mostly with the Bucks due to injuries to Khris and Giannis. Heck He was also asked to Run to this offense whilst locking down the other team's best player. He has found His perfect role In Boston.

That's one of their cheat codes, when Jrue is cooking offensively he will still have like the 3rd of 4th best defender guarding him because you cannot move the best perimeter guys away from the Js, same thing happens on nights Derrick white is on offensively.

In short if they win it all, Brad Steven's deserves kudos for actually building an incredible team and they can still keep this core I think for one more season

greypencils:
The death lineup was in 2019 with DeMarcus Cousins.

The death line up was, KD, Draymond , Steph, Klay and Iggy

Whatever happens, the Mavericks have something with this group. If I were them, I would give PG13 the max and let Tim Hardaway jnr go

A40:
How are they able to fit this team under the cap. Especially with Jayson getting supermax very soon

This is where ownership who are willing to win comes in. They are willing to pay the luxury tax to give them the best shot at winning it all. Brad Stevenn IMHO built a team that is perfect for his two best players, he gave them top end players that can bail them when they are experiencing their lows.
Look at this game Jrue is currently out scoring both the Js with 17, but we all know that sometime in the 2nd half one of the Js will pick up and start making shots and all of a sudden the lead will just increase out of no where.

donlittle25:
you will think they are not getting touches at all. they just can’t put the ball inside the net.

Kleber is just scared too shoot for some reason. While the other two have to really attack the basket more aggressively

kendrick9:
Difference is Celtics are a superteam. They have five of the top 30-40 players in the league.
Who does Mav have?
Kyrie and Luka.
I will be shocked if Mavs wins this series, it would be one of the biggest upsets in NBA finals.

Tatum got just 16pts and they still blew the Mavs away. He doesn't even need to go off.
Brown is a dawg,
Dereck and Jrue backcourt- all defense
The team is filled with two way players.
Lively is out of his depth, this is not a rookie squad OKC or a naive Wolves.

You just pointed out something I noticed that almost nobody is talking about. The Celtics have 4 dudes earning 30+million and the 5th guy in Derrick white is a guy most GMs in the league are saying they would not trade straight up for the number 1 overall pick in this upcoming draft.
They might not have depth beyond 8 guys but their top 5 is by and away the best 5 in the league right now and possibly since the 2017 warriors death line up.

Kyrie has to be better.

steady986:
And before I forget, Mindset has nothing to do with being a generational talent Look at Zion, where the mindset dey? Then look at Kobe with all that mindset.

Are you guys saying generational talents as in what their career became or what they were known as before the NBA, because as far as I understand the tag generational talent is for guys who when there were 14, 15 it was a concensus that they would be one of the best players in the NBA. So the list is not that long, I'll say LeBron, Kareem and maybe Shaq

A40:
Jordan no be generational talent?

A player legendary coach Bobby Knight called the greatest player he'd ever seen before he even entered NBA. Olympic Champion and best player, NCAA champ, College player of the year at 21

God save us from akpuruka punditry

With due respect, that is one coach. If jordan was a generation talent, he would not have gone 3rd in the draft. The way I take it is how generational talent is defined. That is the guy you hear talk about him in middle school, up until high school then college if they bothered to go. At a time when sports media was still in its infancy, the whole nation knew about KAJ before he got into high school.

steady986:
This question was posed on Twitter and I can't believe there are people who are saying the Warriors

Wait is it the versions that played with these teams or each and everyone of these players in their prime?

A40:
That's fair, just saying he's one of the few that didn't have to take those lumps

I understand the Gen Z syndrome. Plus we've all been at that age where we felt invincible at various levels

Sometimes you think you want the smoke and when you inhale it you see that e be like this smoke pass me

Timberwolves were favored in this series but going into the season they were 11th. So how do they handle the expectations moving forward. Remember Tatum and Celtics when they got to the Finals in 2018 as the best young players. They were a cute story now it's all pressure, so Antman better learn humility especially if he doesn't win quickly

Yes, the Timberwolves beat their off-season expectations by a mile, which is why their fans yesterday were so upbeat and were still chanting the team's name after the loss.
As for Edwards he has a lot to learn and improve especially his stamina/cardio, his attention to details on defence (he has a tendency to lose focus) and also as a playmaker.
The big advantage for him is that he his going to the Olympics and if he his smart he should spend that whole time picking the brains of LeBron, Steph and KD. If he does this it can cut his learning curve by a lot

A40:
He was real disrespectful to Jokic. Completely soured on them and started rooting on their downfall after that.

A couple more playoff losses will certainly humble them and him some more cos I believe they will fall short next season again

In this league you can't skip steps. You have to go through that heartbreak, you can't escape it unless you're Magic and Duncan

With due respect to Magic he did it because he had an all-time great alongside him.
As for being disrespectful, it's an age thing, in society as a whole these kids in their early 20s and under don't just have the same automatic respect for their elders why do we think it would be different on the basketball court. personally, I have no problem with it. If you want the smoke that's on you to walk the walk.

Roland17:
Something I have not understood is why Finch has Gobert taking too many shots during this series. Even if you want to play inside out or get Luka in foul trouble, you don’t have to build the offense around Gobert.

Not only this series, against Denver the ball found its way to Gobert's hands too much for my liking.

A40:
Happened a lot in Game 4 as well. Kept wondering why I was seeing so much Luka guarding Gobert

The thing is the Mavs will take that match up all day long. That match up will not wear Luka down, yes Gobert might score but he won't tire him out

A40:
Antman emptying the clip.

The Mavs have started horrendously. Closeout games are always the hardest

Mavs are really lucky they're only down 7 rn

Playoff games are so funny. Exum of all people with 5pts to cut the lead down to 3