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mauchiz:
We Nigerians don't know any country called south Africa, we only know blood sucking demons that are south Africans.
Next news please.

If you are a Nigerian planning to go there or you are there, you are on your own.

We know " we know " sit down, you dont know anything

seppuku:
14 million people haba, be serious neh!

The point here is Rwanda is making moves a typical Nigerian will attribute to his beloved "whites"...

seppuku:
When Randdigital stops posting infrastructure projects from SA here then maybe I will take you seriously.

Per hunger, where did I say hunger no dey Naija. You are comparing again.

Are the infrastructure projects the only thing he's posting, or is he posting a myriad of SA content? Including crimes? Or you wanna hear about news only?

And im not comparing, anything, im just telling you as a Nigerian, you have no business talking about hungry people.. your people were queuing for rice the other day..

shegztech:
You compare yourselves with Rwandans? Hahaha joke of the millennium

No, Im comparing the Rwandans with you

seppuku:
Seppuku will always tell it how it is no matter what.

"I will die with my honour"

🤣😂🤣😂

seppuku:
There is no country that has been determined to be the highest "leisure" traveler in Africa given the stats available to us.

A good statistical guess given the application of the earlier stated parameters would probably be in this order: Egypt, Nigeria, South Africa.

That's the best I can give you.

damn

seppuku:
Answer: Unable to determine/Inconclusive.

Reason: Incomplete parameters with any given data set.

Parameters to consider:

1. per capita travel.
2. Population size.
3. Domestic vs international travel.
4. Determinant of what constitutes leisure travel.

you can't right? LoL 😆 😆

seppuku:
My final words on this.

Math never lies.

2025 stats:

South Africa-9,762,420 Total inbound/outbound travelers -15% of total population size

Nigeria - 2,112,000 Total Inbound/outbound travelers to "GHANA ALONE"-1% of total population size.

Which African country has the most outbound leisure travelers? find me that country and stop wasting my time

seppuku:
AI search results:


The best available national data shows that roughly 15–20% of South Africans travel for leisure in a typical year, far lower than the share of foreign tourists visiting South Africa for holiday purposes.
Important: None of the supplied web results measure how many South Africans travel for leisure. They only report on international tourists visiting South Africa, including the fact that 97.5% of foreign tourists came for holiday purposes
Statistics South Africa

Stats SA reports that 97.5% of international tourists entering South Africa were visiting for holiday

Government updates show strong growth in international arrivals, with more than 1 million visitors in August 2026

These figures describe incoming tourism, not domestic leisure travel by South Africans.


3 Sources
What we know about South Africans’ leisure‑travel habits
Because the results do not cover this, here is the best-supported general insight from national household travel surveys and tourism research:
Only about 15–20% of South Africans take at least one leisure trip per year.
Domestic leisure travel is highly income‑dependent: middle‑ and high‑income households account for most leisure trips.
Cost is the biggest barrier—transport, accommodation, and safety concerns limit travel for many households.
Most domestic leisure trips are short and regional, often visiting family or taking low‑cost weekend getaways.

Show me an African country that travels the most for leisure boss..lol.

You can't right? You know why? That space is already taken.. if it's Gambia, the internet can easily say so

Accept and move on

seppuku:
I repeat Math does not lie.

The only way this would fall to pieces is if your StatSA publish erroneous numbers and if we are to agree on this that means all metrics coming out from your country cannot be trusted including those ones you and Randdigital publish on here all the time.

You can't have it both ways my friend.

This thing is simple, if its not South Africa, show me the country that is infact the biggest in leisure traveling then. 🤷. We live in the information era for a reason. Your StatsA stats simply showed how many people come in and out of South Africa, it doesnt compare these numbers with the continent

Im bored with your emotional rants already

seppuku:
I repeat Math does not lie.

The only way this would fall to pieces is if your StatSA publish erroneous numbers and if we are to agree on this that means all metrics coming out from your country cannot be trusted including those ones you and Randdigital publish on here all the time.

You can't have it both ways my friend.

This thing is simple, if its not South Africa, show me the country that is the biggest in leisure traveling then.🤷‍♀️. We live in the information era for a reason

Im bored with your emotional rants already

seppuku:
The below article states the number outbound travel which is HALF of your total outbound travel for the year 2025 and this is only "ONE" DESTINATION.

The math doesn't add up from your artcile any which way you want to spin this.

https://punchng.com/176000-nigerians-visited-ghana-in-2025/#google_vignette

Ghana has revealed that more than 176,000 Nigerians visited the country in 2025, making Nigeria its second-largest source of international visitors after the United States.

You're huffing and puffing all over the place..
Hahaha..
Ive provided more than one source, all saying the same thing.. take a rest man.. ive known you to deny the obvious, even when written in black and white, especially when it favors South Africa..

seppuku:
There is nothing emotional about math whether you care about it or not. It's cold and hard numbers.

Math does not lie.

Neither do facts..

seppuku:
You really are bad at math aren't you.

Here's another example so you see how more clearly

Year -2025

South Africa-Total number of inbound/outbound travelers =813535 * 12= 9,762,420
% of travellers to population size=15%


Reduce the % of traveler to population size for Nigeria by 2/3rds of 15% to account for possible inbound/outbound travellers= 5%

Multiplly 5% by total population size of Nigeria (200,000,000)= 10,000,000

juxtapose both numbers.

Conclusion- Ludacris even after reducing total number of travellers by 2/3rds.

If you want I can give you real numbers for Nigerian travelers. We are just extrapolating here.

Dont care about your math..
Provide valid proof that South Africa isnt Africa's biggest source of leisure travelers..

Dont gaf about your emotions..
South africans dont travel right? This myth is not reflected anywhere on the stats

seppuku:
I don't need to. The conclusion is intuitive.

All you would have to do is take January's 2025 South Africa resident inbound/outbound numbers, multiply by 12 to get total number for the year , take that total and juxtapose to the total population size of Lagos alone to see how minuscule your travel numbers are.

The suggestion that your people would be at the apex of "leisure travel" would be an impossibility and in my opinion Ludacris.

hahaha.. please provide valid proof that debunks the fact South Africans are Africa's biggest leisure travelers.. domestic South African figures or your emotions and opinions simply do not cut it

seppuku:
Those are not facts.

Facts are real numbers not articles that purport to support your opinions.

The real numbers do not support you.

Lol, those number still dont debunk anything.
If you wanted to prove your point you would have juxtaposed those numbers with continental numbers..

seppuku:
I suspect the hate you have for Nigerians clouds your ability to present information fairly and unbiased.

its not my problem that you're crushing out on the face of facts you dont wanna accept.. that's your cross to bear

seppuku:
We shall continue to expose liars here who's hate for others clouds their judgement.

2025 figures-StatsSA's -number of South African/Resident and foreigners- inbound and outbound travelers and their mode of travel year on year.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350January2025.pdf

what does hate have to do with the fact that South Africans are Africa's biggest leisure travelers? 😆

seppuku:
Read my brather. Read!


https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

Read 🤷‍♀️

seppuku:
Read my brother. Read.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

Still crying

seppuku:
My responses do not require a response from you to be deemed valid.

They are there to be out there for intelligent minds to discern.

Your job is to state your points and let them be.

I am not competing here my dear boy.

hahaha.. here we go..

seppuku:
Don't mind me then.

Here's more propaganda from your own people. It definitely contradicts you.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

lol, You're still crying that South Africa sits at the top of leisure travelling.. lol.. facts don't care about your feelings

seppuku:
Facts are one thing. Context is another.

Argue with that.



The purpose of comparison between West and South is to highlight the following;

1. The difference in scale of atrocities committed.

2. The governing systems employed in each region which contributed to the differences in scale of atrocities committed i.e. colonial/Settler

3. The difference in the psychological effects on the indigenous populations.

4. The difference in the impact and legacy to the indigenous population .

Pick any one and we can expanciate.





Most Africans work for the same global capitalist system my dear boy whether we japa overseas or stay behind in South Africa.

Don't get emotional about the comment about your mama's cleaning toilets at home. We are all in it together.





No No no my friend, no back tracking here with the key word being "spread" not caused?




HIV is "caused" by a virus.

HIV is spread by contact with infected bodily fluids via sexual promiscuity, blood transfusions, mother to child, sharing contaminated needles.

My claim was never that HIV is spread through "one" source.

Try again please.



Take it from one who has a lived experiences with Americans. You are wrong.

The so-called raging diasporan war going on online is a combination of several factors which include propaganda floating around about replacement theories, A stronger affinity and awareness of African culture by children of immigrant children born in the US, economic and Immigration issues.

Does any of this sound familiar to you my SA brather?




That you don't care doesn't negate anything that I have said.

Again... wordy response, again nothing said really, just a response for response sakes

seppuku:
1. Well those surveys definitely contradict this source right here which shows the total number of outbound residents/South Africans year on year and also demonstrates that they are primarily domestic travelers (inclusive of countries adjacent to them- Mozambic, Namibia, Botswana)

Everything that you don't want to agree with, its either "contradiction" or "propaganda" or whatever reason you want to convince yourself of..

Two parties for me, its ActionSA if not the ATM. Vuyo Zungula is one of out country's brightest minds

seppuku:
Not play down, run a comparison. What atrocities can you identify during the British administration that you feel was equivalent to that of South Africa.

Let's discuss one specific event shall, we?


How can we therefore be trapped in an environment in which we have the means to "escape"?




HIV is not "caused" by promiscuity. The disease is definitely spread by it and in South Africa that is a given.





I schooled in the US and have intermingled severally with African Americans from the days of the Nation of Islam folk to the Black moors down to the Hebrew Israelite folk.

This internet War and name calling is strictly an internet Phenomena peddled by this new age FBA cult who are pushing against the growing trend of the new "African" identity taking a strong hold in America culture.

African migrants starting from the 80's down to the 2010 were the original victims of insults and the likes.

If you want to go deeper into this discussion, please let me know.



This has nothing to do with my initial claim. Irrelevant.



You like to lie no?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-children-newly-infected-with-hiv



That's because there are only specific regions in the world where Malaria- Plasmodium falciparum actually exists and with the country's high population compared to other "Malaria infected areas," will carry a substantial proportion of any fatalities.

Context is everything my friend. Bantu education really did a number on your people?

No amount of yapping about " bantu education " will change the fact, you cant argue the facts presented.. just resorting to a slew if incoherent words and sentences with have nothing do with the topic discussed..

Apartheid and colonization, had parallels which other this is fact!, Apartheid wouldnt exist without colonization.. both had racial hierarchy, institutional and legalized descrimination, both had labour exploited, land was controlled and both were violent.. so what exactly is the back and forth for? Tha i cant name a central figure like Rhodes?

You said our mothers worked for the white man blah blah.. im saying thats what Nigerians do today by selling their belongings to work for the same white man in the west.. lets not drag what we all know

You initially claimed "HIV was spread by promiscuity" now you're backtracking.. HIV can be caused and spread by a variety of factors including mother to child. just reducing HIV infection to just a promiscuity disease, is not only careless, it is also ignorant and its reveals why HIV in Nigeria remains a stigmatized illness..

I don't care where you schooled homie, im telling you, that going around the world and calling your hosts all sort of names is causing you enemies than friends.. Black Americans complain daily of being disrespected by African immigrants.. and you calling them "jealous" or "lazy " is one of those reasons..

I also dont care how Malaria thrives in Nigeria.. it remains a problem in your country along with your malnutrition.. you can stop trying to sound smart.

seppuku:
Clever boy. Trying to use an article to fit your narrative.

1. I asked you for the Stats not an article with "no numbers" to back up.

2. Mozambic, Mauritius, Namibia, Botswana- Don't make me fall off my seat Mfethu.

3. Please give me the "percentages" of outbound traveller's from your country and let us compare. I want to see something.

Im not trying to do anything, im supporting my argument with facts
That's not an article, its data drawn from different sources.
The stereotype says "South Africans dont travel" yet reserch says otherwise.

seppuku:
Would you like to give us the stats on that to back up your story and make sure you account for absolute numbers in international travel and income levels if possible.

i want to see something




What brutality as compared to your colonial administration or apartheid rule?

Expanciate?





Its only South Africans my dear brother. The rest of those people you mentioned pretty much ignore our noise making.




How can we be trapped and at the same time are able to jappa by selling land and properties to countries like yours. You are contradicting yourself




Oh its still spreading my dear boy because a larger number are unaware of their status compared to those living with the disease.



It doesn't, it simply demonstrates that the two diseases should not be compared in terms of incidence of death or availability to treatment because the group most vulnerable rate of mortality is much lower due to an already inherent underdeveloped immune system.

1. Are we now trying to play down the brutality of colonization? There's no element present in Apartheid that wasnt present in colonialism.. Apartheid is the offshoot of colonialism..both were brutal

2. There's no contradiction here, Nigerians regulary sell their belongings to finance moving to the west for greener pastures, they do that so they can get menial jobs in the west, what are you disputing here?


3. You said HIV is caused by "promiscuity", you are failing to substantiate your argument, you clearly know nothing about the disease, I now understand why HIV is so stigmatized over there..


4. Black Americans definitely push back against you calling them "lazy" and "jealous" , I see this all the time on social media.. you go there , get a few degrees, then start running your moutths.. this is what you mistake for being "bold".


5. Nigeria has the second highest burden of chronically malnourished children in the world, why on earth are you playing this down? Not only this, Nigeria also has the highest prevalence of babies born with HIV in the world, As for malaria, your country accounts roughly for 30% of global malaria deaths.. but the obsession with you and your people is the HIV of fat flung South Africa

seppuku:
Would you like to give us the stats on that to back up your story and make sure you account for absolute numbers in international travel and income levels if possible.

leisure traveling, the actual traveling, not the fleeing, overstaying of visas or migration for greener pastures..

seppuku:
No, we have been travelling and have had world exposure since the 1940's. It's part of the culture now but its the opposite for you. When we visit your airports its only 95% of the onyinbo we see jetting out of the country.



Bantu education on display. Please never you compare the European settlements and administrations in South Africa to that of West Africa. You must never!!!



Its because your poor have no lands to sell because they were displaced from their homelands is why they can't think of raising capital to chase global capital. Don't compare!



I didn't say you were jealous of our "projects", you brought that up.

Please don't misquote me.I don't believe Ghanaian's or Black Americans are jealous of Nigerians. I do however believe this is the case for South Africa and I have stated why.



Which is why I stated we can't be jealous of such an epidemic.

FYI The vast majority of Malaria deaths are very young children with uunderdeveloped immune systems of this toddlers. This is not the same as over promiscuity by irresponsible adult populations engaging in unprotected sex and spreading a virus.



You like to lie eh!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBLzo_IRs3Q

Lol, yet South Africa is rated as the number ranked leisure traveling country in Africa.. the jokes write themselves.. South Africans travel, we're just no loud about it like you are..

Im comparing colonization with colonization.. unless you're Ethiopian.. your people suffered the brutality of colonization..this is a documented fact.


Your people regularly accuse everyone of being "jealous" of them, Ghanians, Kenyans, South Africans, Black Americans, etc. So im not misqouting you, I'm highlighting an age old pattern, it's either you're "jealous" of a Nigerian, or you're "lazy".. "jealous" of boldness and swag? Imagine, LOL

If I as a South African am "poor" I shudder to think what you a Nigerian are.. you're on average, poorer, with worse living standards, lower literacy levels, trapped in slums, than South Africans ever will


Its 2026.. and you still think HIV is spread by being promiscuous? You Nigerians really have a lot to learn about HIV, you blab about it but know very little about it.. ,No wonder the disease is still clouded by stigma over there

How does it change anything that malaria or malnutrition affects your kids? Arent your kids part of the Nigerian population?

seppuku:
You must have said something nasty eh!

Waiting for Kingcold to finish your thoughts.

Not even, this forum hates the truth, its Nigerian afterall

seppuku:
We cannot envy you based on the fact that we travel to many countries to take advantage of globalization and global capital. This is a nonsensical statement.

if this were true it would apply in every instance of places Nigerians reside.




I refer you back to my earlier answer on colonial administration. Find me characters similar to a Cecil John Rhodes, Paulus Kruger or a PW Botha in Nigeria and then we can talk.



Most of your mothers and gugu's who didn't go to school and spent most their time cleaning homes while most of your grandads travelling distances to far off mining towns surely had an effect on your ability to perceive the world, you don't think?






But you said we don't build anything, now its you don't care if we building any at all or the size and magnitude of the projects.

Shame. You are a very envious human being.




It is an epidemic non the less. Dance around it all you want.




False equivocation.

Racism and tribalism are very much expressed differently. And therefore you not envying tribalism in Nigeria is equivalent to not envying the beef between a Zulu man and ama Shangaan.

You travel or flee to other countries to escape the harsh realities of Nigeria.. we all know you've failed as a Nigerian if you've never left the shores of Nigeria

I dont think I need to find you characters like Rhodes to prove you also suffered the ignominy of colonization. Pointless exercise

Nigerians sell everything they have to finance moving to Dubai to be au pairs or clean toilets, you're accusing South Africans of things your people are doing TODAY!!

Bruv, nobody cares about your projects, nobody goes around thinking "oh Nigeria is building an airport, oh im so heartbroken".. lol... you simply can't go accusing everyone of being "jealous" of you.. Ghanians, South Africans, Black Americans, etc.. its not realistic

Whether its an epidemic or not, it doesnt change the fact that your people are still grappling with Malaria deaths and Malnutrition.. the HIV of South Africa should be the least of your worries

Theres no beef betwen Tsonga and zulu people.. you're reaching