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helinues:
That's the point you guys are missing. You claimed you have high GDP, GDP per Capita yet struggling about basic jobs.

Can you see the flops in you guys arguments?

If I tell you the genesis of South Africa recent problem, trust me, you wouldn't believe it. It's something not been discussed by the South Africans or people generally

its not a claim but fact..
Compare Nigeria to SA
South Africa has a unemployment problem granted, but also has a higher GDP, GDP per capita and higher income rates than Nigeria

These thing can co- exist at rhe same time

seppuku:
And you are running away from the fact that your people are anti- black foreigner.

Oh heres the played card again. was wondering when it was coming.. this card is a cop-out to critical thinking

My people come first Seppuku, your should come first in Nigeria too.. if this "xenophobia" so be it..

seppuku:
Those who see the world in black and white would share that assessment.

Some of us always see the gray.

You fit that description to the tee..

Things are either "xenophobia" or "propaganda" , so look in the mirror my friend..

You're just a gaslighter with no counter argument, just getting a kick in being contrarian against a South African

seppuku:
You are dancing around the subject matter so you don't pin yourself against what is the obvious rhetoric.




So then you are saying it must be "zero" foreigners, Yes.

Your lack of comprehension is not my problem.

seppuku:
Anecdotal evidence is cute my friend but it doesn't really say anything about anything.

I can post 5 videos of African Americans being brutalized by White police officers as a means to convice you that police are violent, however this has nothing to do with the overall stats on police interactions in the US by race

You're doing what you do best..arguing for the sake of arguing..

seppuku:
I am trying to get clarity please. If you are not insinuating a "zero" policy then what percentage between foreign and local Doctors can you articulate is reasonable in this globalist world we live in.


What precedence is satisfactory to your people, a 95% to 5% ratio. What is the current ratio now so we understand the "scale" of the problem?

This is not algebra my friend.

If the local supply of qualified people is exhausted , then look elsewhere, is that simple..

Yes, this is definitely not algebra, im baffled why you're making it complicated. qualified people from a country grappled with unemployed must take fist preference ..this is common sense

seppuku:
So the answer is no evidence. Hearsay again.

Speaking about effects and scale, here's a population distribution of immigrants in SA by province. It seems your drain on resources are centered mostly in one particular province as economic migrants are drawn to the main economic hub and are mostly self-employed in the informal sector.

Based on the above hypothesis, Please can you explain how your government is prioritizing these migrants and is supposed to shift their "priorities" to citizens?

I dont need a pie chart or graph to tell me we have an illegal immigration crisis.. we see it, we read about it every week, we feel and see the effects on the streets

seppuku:
Thank you for the clarity. So you want a "zero" foreign/immigrant policy specifically for the health sector regardless of where the worker is coming from, Europe, Afghanistan, Cuba. Klaar.

What about your nurses working in hospitals in the UK. Should there be a policy to bring them back home as well?

You're putting words in my mouths so as to reach your usual "xenophobia/victim" pity party stance
..
I said and I reiterate, there's no reason to hire foreign when local doctors are unemployed , local unemployed doctors must be given preference, I really can't dumb this down..

UK and South Africa are two different countries with two different employment realities, ours is a country ravaged by huge unemployment especially among the youth, it only makes sense for our people to take precedent over others. Don't make this what its not please

seppuku:
Do you believe that the 2.36 million migrants in the Ivory coast are documented? If we are not comparing apples to apples, please present evidence to the contrary.

That South Africa has an illegal immigration problem is common knowledge at this point... and whatever legal immigration the Ivory Coast might be facing, its nothing close to South Africa in scale and effects..

seppuku:
What do you mean by "putting SA first." Do you mean the country should have a "zero" hiring policy for anyone who is not South African?

Is there such a thing in this globalized world? Did I even say this? Can you for once listen and listen well..
I said you import what you lack, (scarce skills) not what you have in abundance..
You cant import doctors from elsewhere while you have hundreds of doctors right here at home marching for jobs.. the concept is really simple

seppuku:
Yes of course. You and Ivory coast are fighting over those additional 300,000 for first place.

Don't let us even consider "proportionality" seeing that your population is 60+ million and Ivory coasts is half that or that the size of your country stands at 1.22 million sqkm as to Ivory coasts 320,000sqkm

Poor South Africans, so overwhelmed with problems.

Cognitive dissonance I tell you.

Is the Ivorycoast facing illegal immigration at the scale of SA? I think not, so lets compare oranges with Oranges here

seppuku:
Let's test your so-called premise then.

Can you tell us the percentage of "foreign nationals" that are employed in public schools?

What do you mean by "putting SA first." Do you mean the country should have a "zero" hiring policy for anyone who is not South African. What if these foreign professionals "acquire" citizenship legally. Should you still be prioritized over them and if so on what basis?

Jesus Christ..you're so dense, its infuriating

seppuku:
Here are the 10 African countries with the highest populations of international migrants.


1. South Africa

South Africa, sometimes known as the ‘Rainbow Nation,’ tops the continent with around 2.86 million international migrants. The country’s advanced economy and thriving cultural scene draw people from all over the world. Migrants make important contributions to the labor and enrich the nation’s cultural tapestry. However, the integration process is not without difficulties, since issues concerning water resources and housing persist.

2. Côte d’Ivoire

With 2.56 million international migrants, Côte d’Ivoire exemplifies West Africa’s allure. The nation’s thriving cocoa industry and expanding metropolitan areas provide several prospects for migrants. However, rapid population growth puts a pressure on urban infrastructure, particularly the provision of adequate water supplies and public services.

3. Uganda

Uganda, home to 1.72 million migrants, is known for its welcoming climate, especially for refugees from neighboring countries. The country’s progressive refugee laws allow migrants to work and travel freely, cultivating a sense of community and mutual assistance. However, the migration puts pressure on local resources, particularly in areas where humans and animals compete for water and land.

4. Sudan

Despite its complex conflicts, Sudan has 1.38 million migrants, many of whom are seeking safety and security. The country’s strategic position and rich history make it a major hub for human mobility. Migrants frequently suffer integration barriers and limited access to basic utilities such as clean water.

5. Nigeria

Nigeria’s varied economy draws 1.31 million migrants seeking opportunities in industries ranging from entertainment to technology. However, the country’s large population creates issues in urban planning and resource management, notably in terms of ensuring sustainable water supply.

6. Ethiopia

Ethiopia has a millennia-long history and currently houses 1.09 million migrants. Its thriving coffee industry and expanding manufacturing sector present several chances. However, issues such as water scarcity continue to pose challenges for both natives and migrants.

7. Kenya

Kenya, with 1.05 million international migrants, is East Africa’s commercial and technological hub. The country’s policies have generally favored immigration, resulting in a dynamic cultural and economic landscape. Nonetheless, water management remains a key concern as the city expands.

8. Democratic Republic of Congo

The Democratic Republic of the Congo, home to[b] 0.95 million[/b] migrants, is a land rich in resources and promise. Migrants are drawn to the country’s mineral-rich regions, but continuous conflicts bring considerable risks and obstacles, such as access to clean water and safe living conditions.

9. South Sudan

South Sudan, one of the world’s newest countries, has an estimated 0.88 million migrants. Despite its political volatility, it provides optimism to many people wanting a fresh start. There are significant issues here, particularly in terms of water access and healthcare.

10. Libya

Libya’s geographical location has made it a popular transit hub for migrants headed for Europe. With 0.83 million migrants, it is a key stop on the Mediterranean migration route. However, the country’s persistent violence exacerbates efforts to deliver fundamental amenities, such as access to clean water.

Source:
https://howafrica.com/top-10-african-countries-with-the-largest-migrants/#:~:text=South%20Africa%2C%20sometimes%20known%20as%20the%20%E2%80%98Rainbow%20Nation%2C%E2%80%99,scene%20draw%20people%20from%20all%20over%20the%20world.

But I don't recall saying other countries didn't have migrants, I said we had the most, as its proven on this list..

seppuku:
The "means" being employed to achieve that redress. The demonization of the "other".

All you need to do is read the inciteful language being used by the likes of March on March, come back here and tell me it's not propaganda.

The question is are my people being put first" when they are unemployed with degrees but foreigners are? The answer is a resounding NO!..
So why point fingers when my people demand to be put first then?
Stop the overuse of the word "propaganda" because you clearly dont understand its meaning..

seppuku:
I acknowledge migration issues. Your cabinet just approved items on the White paper that will address the asylum seeker and migrant crisis.

As far as high unemployment goes, What does a somali spaza shop owner have to do with your employability? What has the Congolese hair dresser have to do with where your women spend their money to do their hair?




You have unemployed doctors and wastages in your hospitals because your government is tendering moneys away that are supposed to be channeled at building more hospitals and employing more people or creating incentives for private hospitals to employ more doctors e.t.c.

The Ghanian doctor did not sneak into the country. He qualified and was employed based on your laws, now because you see him successful you want to chase him away. What about the British doctor working in a cape town hospital or Indian doctor in Durban? tWhat are your nurses doing in the Uk? Why are they not being chased away?

You keep saying we can't carry the whole continent. Have you people ever googled the stats on the number of refugees/asylum seekers that reside in other African countries. I get sick to my stomach with the lack of knowledge you people have.

Its propaganda.

We have unemployed doctors, while doctors from the SADEC region are employed by the government.. my people have a right to demand to be put first.. you can't import what you have in abundance in your own country

What part of this is propaganda Seppuku?

Also, South Africa has the highest number of African immigrants on the continent and those are just the legal ones, so please, dont play this card on me, I dont have to Google anything here. we complain because the burden of these immigrants is felt by us.. not you ,you have no clue of the massive strain on resources that does to a country, the shacks have quadrupled because of the legal immigrants for example.. you're busy doing what you do best, gaslighting the real concerns and lived realities of South Africans.. we are carrying this continent, these are just facts

Mariangeles:
I've never known South African football team to wear green. Especially that shade of green.
Be honest.

Their rugby team, maybe, but not their football team.
It looks too familiar to us.

confederation cup 2009

Emeskhalifa:
Y'all think you can gaslight other Africans? Even when what we're saying is crystal clear?

I repeat, if not for the white folks up there making sure you guys are kept in line, by now SA would've been one of the most terrible place on earth. kudos to your white masters.

Lol. You are still proving my white worshipping, colonized mindset point, even further.. "kept in line" ? Unbelievable. keep it up Ruckus

Emeskhalifa:
Oh maybe I should be precise.

Talking bou the black youth, of course not the whites who are making sure the country is working fine

Lol.. of course, I dont really expect any credible argument from a Nigerian apart from talking about the "whites".. the morbid worship and obsession you have for them is common knowledge at this point.

zinaunreal:
Mr Teacher 😆
If not for your white masters will you even have that opportunity? When they refer to a native speaker, they were talking about yiur masters but because of you blacks are hungry, that became a survival line for you.

Point out other things you guys have achieved worldwide 😆 Mr English teacher

Ah, of course..the white people....what else with you people? They are all you obsess about, even calling them "masters" in 2026? smh

Emeskhalifa:
This has been my thoughts too.

Do their youths engage in any work at all?

Are you guys this daft or unexposed? Is there any country where people just choose not to work but that country is an economic giant?

zinaunreal:
That's the only thing you guys scramble out if your country to do. Teach English 😆

its better than smuggling drugs

babakb:
Official begging has been enacted

South Africans do surprise me sometimes.

South Africa is the only country in Africa regarded as native english speaking, hence it's citizens have the opportunity to migrate to rich Asian, European and South American countries to teach english and earn good money.

But I don't really see them leveraging this opportunity the way they ought too.

There are many South Africans teaching English in other countries like Korea, China etc. others are doing it right here at home via the net, i once knew somoene who was doing exactly that. The thing about us South Africans you must understand we dont like making noise , we don't like the attention, even abroad South Africans tend to be very low-key..

Solcampbell:
The law is good. If one sibling gets an accident, or handicapped, it's only right that their siblings step in to support them, instead of being abandoned.

First time seeing a post from you without hate towards Nigeria and Nigerians. Wishing you continued growth and positivity.

Complete lack of awareness as usual.
He's the one always being attacked by posting anything from SA.. go back and check the threads he's been posting and the reactions towards them. its your brothers that need growth and maturity..

Look at this thread as example.. your people are already hurling insults and calling SA people "lazy" unprovoked

TallNigerian:
See judgment from a country of lazy people.

Them born me as they take born you but na me go take financial responsibility over you.

The "lazy people" who also somehow also happen to be one of the earliest risers on average.. gotta love it

TallNigerian:
See judgment from a country of lazy people.

Them born me as they take born you but na me go take financial responsibility over you.

The "lazy people" that happen to be the most entrepreneurial, gotta love South African laziness

HighChiefZino:
Lazy youths!!!
And now, I can confirm that South Africa is on another level.

Always calling everything that moves "lazy" while the term applies to you people more than anyone else

KingOfAmebo:
KEEP DECEIVING YOURSELF WITH THE MANUFACTURED LIES.

EVERYBODY KNOWS NIGERIA SAVED YOU DURING THE APARTHEID EXCEPT YOUR DILLUTIIONAL SELF.

This will be my last response to your constant giibberishh...I got more important things to attend to...BYE.

hahaha.. point out the lies

KingOfAmebo:
Point of correct, when statistics is done about people that are rich and doing well in South Africa they use the population of the WHIITE not the bllacks living in South Africa...bllack South Africans are so lazy yet complain of foreigners taking their jobs. Should we talk about how most bllack South Africans have the highest number of HIV compared to other Africans?

NIGERIA SAVED YOU, YOU WENT BACK STRAIGHT INTO IT BECAUSE YOU ARE INGRATES...YOU LOVE YOUR CHAINS.

Honestly, I enjoy giving you lectures about your country I await your next reply.

Yet the same black South African trumps you in every positive metric , funny innit?

Average Income - Black south african
Standard of living " black South African
Biggest black middle class in Africa = Black South African
Highest number of USD black millionaires = black south african
Literacy = Black South African
Access to electricity = Black South African
Access to infrastructure = Black South African
Access to water/sanitation = Black South African
Access to better Healthcare = Black South African
GDP per capita (purchasing power) = Black South African
HDI indices = Black South African
Higher Life expectancy = Black South African
The list goes on and on and on.

You can call us "slaves" or "lazy" the reality on the ground says otherwise.. look at your nation, who's drowning in oceans seeking a better life elsewhere? Most definitely not us

Also you can also throw these tired HIV insults all you like the reality of the matter is, as things stand, Nigeria has one of the lowest life expectancy figures in the world at just 54.years.. South Africans with all their HIV still outlive you on average, while your people are still dying of malnutrition and malaria .

Lastly, you can't "lecture" anyone on a subject you know little of.

KingOfAmebo:
You cannot even lie well, I said use Google, stop deceiving yourself by pasting edited text to feel good...Don't you guys have Google in South Africa?

NIGERIA SAVED YOU FROM APARTHEID, GOOGLE CONFIRMED IT, EVERYBODY WITH GOOGLE IN THEIR PHONE CONFIRMED IT.

I am not surprised, you guys have proven to be ingrates... Nigeria should have left you to continue living like second class citizens in your land, Oh sorry, it is no longer your land because the Whiites have bought all your farmland and made you work on them... TRUTH IS BITTER.

If typing "did Nigeria help South Africa during apartheid" in Google search bar is such a difficult thing for you, try typing it in Zulu if English Language is such a difficult language to understand in South Africa... Google also got Google translate..

I honestly understand how it feels like to be a sllave in your own country in this 21st century...

You're now writing epistles full of insults and fake laughing because I called your lies out..?

Here's the thing, truth doesnt care about your feelings.

And before calling others "second-class" citizens, check how an average Nigerians lives compared to an average South African.. the real second class citizen" will emerge.

KingOfAmebo:
You need to get yourself some education, Nigeria doesn't own Google and the accumulated post Google got the information from are credible sources and they already confirmed it, stop deceiving yourself and kiss the truth.

NIGERIA SAVED SOUTH AFRICA FROM APARTHEID... PERIOD.

You all should be grateful we ensure you can use the same beach as your "WHIITE MASTERS"

YOU CANNOT ERASE HISTORY, NIGERIANS ARE YOUR SAVIOR.

Take a rest from all this self deception, you are making a caricature of yourself at this point

KingOfAmebo:
You need to get yourself some education, Nigeria doesn't own Google and the accumulated post Google got the information from are credible sources and they already confirmed it, stop deceiving yourself and kiss the truth.

NIGERIA SAVED SOUTH AFRICA FROM APARTHEID... PERIOD.

You all should be grateful we ensure you can use the same beach as your "WHIITE MASTERS"

YOU CANNOT ERASE HISTORY, NIGERIANS ARE YOUR SAVIOR.

also, let this lie perish as well.. these "billions" you love claiming were received by us, were actually embezzlement by your government. No Nigerian would have such sums to another government..

Keep deluding yourself