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Odingo1:
That who is marrying who is abominable in our land, why will a religion that it prophet claim to hear from god permit such dirty marriage. My question is why should Alla permit such marriages

so were you a Muslim before or you were trying to convert to Muslim so that chapter and verse makes you to condenm Islam?

Janosky:
Angels too exercise that right.
They knew & where present when Jehovah made Adam.
Job 38:4-7.
From your own Bible, they have become like God.

Job 38:4-7 & Genesis 1:26, Jehovah is right.
The word "US" @ Genesis 3:5,22 includes angels.
Trinitarians are wrong. Very wrong.

you see this one you failed it Wolfy why so you are trying to contradict

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Isaiah 40:13

So you have an image of an angel not God


As for me na God image I get not angel

Janosky:
Jesus Christ is the first born of God, Hebrew 1:6 & Colossians 1:15. John 5:26 .
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if Jesus being first born son means he was the first creation of God den can you explain
psalm 89:26-28, exodus 4;21-23 so with your explanation so God now have 3 first born son Jesus, David,and isreal

Please explain your narration

Janosky:
Jesus Christ is the first born of God, Hebrew 1:6 & Colossians 1:15. John 5:26 .
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if Jesus being first born son means he was the first creation of God den can you explain
psalm 89:26-28, exodus 4;21-23 so with your explanation so God now have 3 first born son Jesus, David,and isreal

Please explain your narration

The twelve apostles

Qasim6:
I am not calling a prophet of God a liar, and I will never do that

Did Jesus name or Messiah appear anywhere in Isaiah 53?
Isaiah 53 clearly states the suffering servant will live long to see his offspring.
Did Jesus have offspring? If he didn't have offspring then Isaiah 53 can't be about him.

so who was prophet Isaiah referring to ?

And psalm 91 was thrown at Jesus in gospel according to Matthew. He was asked to jump off a cliff.

Mat 4:6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “’He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”[/quote]so what was Jesus answer to mat 4;6


This is a clear reference to psalm 91, when we go to psalm 91 we see it is talking about someone that will be in trouble and God will save him, this individual won't even dash his foot against a stone not to talk of being beaten, nailed to a cross, and pierced with a spear. This prophecy also clearly have the name of Jesus (that we can say the prophecy is probably foreshadowing his name)

So what we have in our hands are two prophecies that are at loggerheads and can't be of the same person because one is about a suffering servant and the other is about someone that won't suffer.

As a rational human being that I am, I'll be going with Psalm 91 and these are my reasons

- It was thrown at Jesus, He did not deny it was about him.(infact he seems to have have confirmed it was about him with his response)
- this prophecy foreshadows his name.
- the prophecy line up to what happened to him at a later time (him being scared of wat is going to happen to him and praying to God to turn the cup away from him in Gethsemane)
- and my personal bias as a Muslim because we believe he was actually saved from the crucifixion because that's what our Qur'an tell us.

If you believe Isaiah 53 is about him and not psalm 91 or you believe you can reconcile both prophecies to be about him kindly let me know how you reach that conclusion, You can also call your champion SIRTee15 that feels I don't know what I'm taking about at times when I'm quoting the Bible. Not that you will just be accusing me of calling a Prophet of God a liar.[/quote]so now the scenario is that Jesus didn't die on the cross that is non sense after all psalm 91 didn't call messiah or Jesus so you failed that one Wolfy

SIRTee15:
That's why most times when U quote the scripture, I just ignore it because it's so obvious U don't know what U taking about.

no be lie you talk he always like to turn bible upside down just see quote

Qasim6:
It is plainly there in Psalm 91 that nothing will happen to him that he will not even dash his foot against a stone. But somehow you want us to believe that same person was beaten, nailed to a cross and pierced with a spear. and because u don't want the Bible to explain the Bible to you, you will rather cling to a problematic Isaiah 53.

so now he is trying to call prophet Isaiah a liar


He knowledge of the bible is 0% he knows nothing about the bible

Kingsempires:
good evening all

trinity or not trinity the bible support the trinity.

Gen 1:26 has given us the answer that the trinity doctrine is biblical

StillDtruth:
See am, sinfullness, poorverty and failure don make you mad. Clearly these are things you are guilty of and the op just reminded you that you are going to hellfire which is why you are screaming like a demon.

Are you God


mat 7:1-5

paxonel:
Deeper life or no deeper life, his ideology is the same with them

hmm!!! Okoo

AntiChristian:
Make I learn from you.

Your own explanation will be different from your pastor's own!

Omo you dey make me dey laugh ooo

As you can see am not good in teaching or explaining [/b]At list oga steep is on this thread he will explain it for you very well.


[color=#990000][/color] but the problem is "[b] you will never agree with his explanation"

There are other people who can explain it for you very well

paxonel:
Wow!

So you are a brainwashed stupid deeper lifer ?
No wonder your mumu dey drawl dey smell follow you everywhere you go

so oga stilltruth na deeper life na in he dey attend

Sand2022:
If I had not done my own research from the scriptures and if what I believe is what I have been taught by the Watchtower, I would agree that it is hypocritical.

However, attending meetings in a church that you do not agree with their theology is not approving their theology nor against the scriptures. More especially if there is another concern you have.

Jesus Christ is our exemplar. Although he didn't accept the theology of his time, he was always in the temple and synagogue. He obviously participated in all that was done there. That wasn't hypocritical.

After his death, we see Peter, John and even Paul attend meetings of the Jews conducted in the temple and the synagogue. That wasn't hypocritical. The worship of God is no longer attendance in a physical location. It is Spirit and truth. What will be hypocritical and what we can learn from Jesus is, while you attend, if at all needed, you still let them know that you do not agree with them on so and so. That is what Jesus did. They know his position of things, but his attendance doesn't affect his loyalty.

I have told them and officially resigned as an elder and a Regular Pioneer because I cannot in a clean conscience teach their doctrine either from the platform or door to door. So the elders know officially that I object to some teachings of JWs. I wanted to disassociate, but my wife almost died of grief. I pulled back, not for the religion, but for her health. So I saw from Jesus example that mere attendance is not the sin.

My bible studies does not support the idea that your church marks your salvation. It is your conduct and your heart towards your creator that matters. Most especially your love for God and your love for those around you counts the most and faith in Christ. God is not going to judge church, but individuals. So if you love God stand for the truth even if your religion is against it. That is what God will judge.

It doesn't matter if Jonathan was in Saul's house nor join him for war, what matters is that when he makes the wrong decision, Jonathan wont support that.

When the time is right for her, I will leave, but don't think that my leaving means that I will not ever attend a JW meeting as if when they pray to God, they pray to idols as JWs view other churches, I won't join them in such a obvious misunderstanding of God's word. I can attend the meeting when I want to but if I leave, I will concentrate more on churches than there. But I don't judge them as if no one there will ever be saved. No, most people there sincerely do not know that there view is wrong. They think is that truth. And don't think that God will be too cold to destroy them if, other things being equal, they miss getting some things right. Of course I am not God anyway, but I won't think so, for a scriptural reason. Eg Job.

I still know that JWs don't see other churches that way. Again, I don't follow wrong theology.

I advise people stop this church madness. Put your eyes on Christ, not church. Even if God has appointed a pastor, he is not master over your faith. He is God's tool to assist you. That church name.is not faith in Christ.

now that you are a trinitarian attending Jw can change your believe anytime

MaxInDHouse:
After the event where Jesus commended Peter for making that comment in the following chapter God said about Jesus:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” Matthew 17:5

You will notice that God only confirmed what Peter said and commended by Jesus and added one more thing: "listen to him"

According to Jesus all true worshipers of God are his brothers because we are wordhipers of one God {Mark 12:29 compare to Deuteronomy 6:4} who is the father and God of all:

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

The Greek word translated WORSHIP could be rendered in two ways:
WORSHIP or OBEISANCE

Where it applies to God the Almighty it should be rendered WORSHIP but where it's used for others then it should be rendered OBEISANCE.

Some translators misconstrued that Greek word where God told everyone to OBEY Jesus and rendered it WORSHIP but from what Jesus himself said worship should go to only one person and that is his father who is our father and his God who is our God! John 20:17

We don't tell others what to do or not to do we only present what we know from God's word i believe you can make your own decision from here.

Please i'm unfollowing this thread afterwards so if you have further questions ask me on my own threads.

Good morning!

why are you leaving

MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus walked the earth there were lots of speculations regarding his identity due to his unequal supernatural gifts that no prophet has ever had.
So many begin to wonder who is this young Jewish carpenter claiming to be with all these wonderful works.
That's why he asked his disciples to tell him what the Jewish people who have seen him and his miraculous gifts thought:

When he had come into the region of Caes·a·reʹa Phi·lipʹpi, Jesus asked his disciples: “Who are men saying the Son of man is?” Matthew 16:13

His disciples responded:

“Some say John the Baptist, others E·liʹjah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” Matthew 16:14

After hearing other people's opinion he turned to his own disciples:

“You, though, who do you say I am?” Matthew 16:15

Then Simon Peter in behalf of his other friends of Jesus responded:

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matthew 16:16

Jesus commended Peter and said God revealed it to Peter ! Matthew 16:17


So today if you're thinking of same question is it not best i refer you to what happened when Jesus himself was here?

Thanks for your time!

so the scenario is that Jesus is[b][/b]"the son of God".



Is if Jesus is the [color=#006600][/color]"son of God" .


Then is it evil to worship the son of God?

Expanse2020:
Oloriburuku
They arrested to Jesus on the same day
Jesus barabas was the second person and the meaning of his name his son of the father, son of the source... After what happened in the court that day tell us how barabas lives his remaining life but you maggot mug they had turn your brain upside down to see the true...
In original Hebrew the bible was written they took son of father...
Abi if Jesus died
Why did he appear to them from the upper part room and they are in doubt he told them they should touch him and fed him with beans cake and fish..oponu someone who died can eat

are you trying to say Jesus didn't died!!!!

Ojuntana:
The biggest Zombies are those who believed a caravan robber who took his adopted son's wife is a prophet and they'll get 72 virgins in heaven with an erect penis of they kill themselves for him.

Where is the morality and holiness in snatching your son's wife and robbing innocent traders

na wetin!!!

Ubenedictus:
So a Jewish couple will not dedicate their child until they have finished giving birth? Then they will identify the "firstborn"?

Is that your answer?

so times to dey argue with stilltruth dey tire me small time he go start to dey cause

Qasim6:
About what?

about what you Quran explained

Qasim6:
Of course the Qur'an let us know the meaning of the title "son of God"

Q21:26 And they say, “The Most Merciful has taken a son.” Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants.

so the bible didn't explained the meaning of "son of God" is now your Quran that explained it abi

Qasim6:
You thrashed nothing bro, you are just deceiving yourself.

Let's go to the gospel of John where the term was used extensively.

In John 10:30 where Jesus was reported to have said "I and the Father are one" and the Jews tried to stone him he said to them “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” they said he claimed to be God and Jesus responded back that is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods"’? That he is only claiming to be Son of God.

Why did Jesus used that to debunk their claim of blasphemy? Was he using what they would have considered to be blasphemous title to refute their accusation of blasphemy?

And Why did they not accused him of blasphemy for calling himself son of God if what they believed that meant was he's claiming to be devine?


Of course the Qur'an let us know the meaning of the title "son of God"

Q21:26 And they say, “The Most Merciful has taken a son.” Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants.

Even if the Ebionites believed in death and resurrection of Jesus, they did not see it as vicarious atonement. Because they continue to follow the law and Paul was apostate to them. In my book they are Muslims of their time.

are you serious!!!

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 16:16

explain

Barristter07:

Matt 24:36
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "

Jesus said he doesn't know , but only the Father.

- The Son doesn't know, therefore the son cannot reveal to anyone the day and hour. This automatically rules out the holy spirit knowing the day and hour.

In that case, I repeat . Holy spirit doesn't know the day and hour, which means it's not God nor a person.


To claim otherwise, is to commit the heresy that holy spirit is a person that knows the Father's Mind much more than Jesus. ,hence greater than Christ. ❌ Unscriptural

so who is Jesus

StillDtruth:
Its like you are beginning to go mad.

Even the Jews are not Romans nor catholics yet, you imply the bible which is their own records is catholic book? And you think you are ok?

Clearly, you do not have any reasonable thing to.say.

I guess you are the one beginning the madness just look at your meaningless statement

StillDtruth:
Wow! What a twist and reversal!

Now you know the meaning of God can use anyone to fulfil His purposes exactly how He used armed robbers and human traffickers to bring the bible to us.

Truth remains the Truth irrespective of who is used to deliver it.

so my question of this your statement is;

Did God use Satan to gather the bible or

Did God use Satan to stop the persecution of christian doing the rules of the Roman so answer because I can see you protestants has nothing good than criticizing your fellow Christians



The funny part of the protestant churches is that they don't even believe on one thing

achorladey:
You don't understand what PIMO means

Sand2022 is PHYSICALLY IN MENTALLY OUT(does no longer holds the Jehovah’s Witnesses view of trinity)

To leave that religious organization, there are process and procedures they follow. Considering he has risen to the position of an elder. He must do his calculations well before dropping the bomb of disassociation.

ok ooo

MaxInDHouse:
"Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort" 1John 2:18-19

In the first century their kind left the group but got lost and never had any record in the Bible so their modern day counterpart have learned from the past mistakes of their first century counterpart instead of leaving the congregation they are now claiming:

PHYSICALLY IN MENTALLY OUT!

let me wait for his answer

btoks:
Unfortunately, when individuals interpret scripture outside of sacred tradition and historical context, this leads to confusion and heretical views.

I guess you are right

btoks:
Good old got questions!! These guys were there in the early days?
As a Jewish man, you don't think he would have been obligated to take in his mother after Jesus' crucifixion?

I see you've ignored John 19:25 to get more details on who the Mother of James (and Jose) is.

stilltruth just hate catholic but he is a Christian that is why I always tell my fellow christian that out of 100% christian is only 5 percentage that practices true christianity.but that is the truth

IslamVIRGINS:
A popular Islamic cleric has got many people talking online following his shocking revelation about Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).

The middle-aged Islamic cleric while delivering a public lecturer raises eyebrows as he claims that Prophet Mohammed had a sugar mummy during his time.

Backing up his point, the Islamic cleric disclosed that prophet Mohammed was at the age of 25 when he got married to his wife, Khadija who was 40-year-old.

The Islamic cleric without hesitation described the relationship between the prophet Mohammed and his older as a perfect example of “Sugar Mummy”.

He justified Khadija as sugar mummy to the prophet Mohammed because of the 15years difference between them.

Moving forward, the Islamic cleric during the lecture utters that if a young man is good in bed, his sugar mummy will always yearn for him.

He however concluded by saying that Islam does not forbid having sugar mummy but Islam forbids sleeping with someone else’s wife or husband.


https://amiloadednews.com/2024/04/reactions-as-islamic-cleric-claims-that-prophet-mohammed-had-sugar-mummy-during-his-time-video.html

Omo just your op has concluded that Islam......

Chineke mere gi ebere!!!

Kingsempires:
just like what Jesus in the scripture said give to Caesar what belong to Caesar and give to God what belong to God so why did the protestant use the book of the so called evil person gathered as you have explained in your comments


So now you want to tell me that God uses Satan to build Christianity just watch your statement

nothing were person no go see ooo
Small time now a so called person from no where will tell you that Satan was the one that made Constantine to make Christianity legal in the Roman empire during the fourth century AD

StillDtruth:
Wow! What a twist and reversal!

Now you know the meaning of God can use anyone to fulfil His purposes exactly how He used armed robbers and human traffickers to bring the bible to us.

Truth remains the Truth irrespective of who is used to deliver it.

just like what Jesus in the scripture said give to Caesar what belong to Caesar and give to God what belong to God so why did the protestant use the book of the so called evil person gathered as you have explained in your comments


So now you want to tell me that God uses Satan to build Christianity just watch your statement

But sand2022 my question for you is ;

Is it true you are still attending jw ?

If you are still attending jw and you are a trinitarian my brother sorry to say this but that is hypocrite. If you agree with the trinity why are you still attending Jw