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Maynman:
I have been asking you since yesterday to define "atheism", please don't reply me if you don't answer that


Agnosticism already has his definition, coin your own word.

You guys should just leave that guy to his ignorance.

incredible2017:
Have you seen someone that was perfectly ok before turn mad

Yes I have seen

Maynman:
Do you believe they exist or you know they exist?

I don't believe not to even talk of knowing if they are real or not.

incredible2017:
Op, do you believe that demons exist

No I don't

in the world? There are about 3700 religions and Gods out there being worshipped but yours happen to be the correct one, how lucky of you. Do you know how many denominations the Christian faith has? I bet you don’t, it about 40,000 denominations (go Google it). So being born a Christian isn’t enough you still have to push your luck further and make sure you’re born into the right denomination or you risk hell fire (more fiction). I hope you’re in the right sect otherwise this would have been for nothing.

It’s all superstition to believe a man was made of mud, the whole world was created from nothing but the incoming woman had to be cloned from a rib bone and a talking snake (seriously?) deceived this woman to eat some fruit which made us all sinners … the story is out rightly comical, might as well have been written by a circus clown, that’s how funny it is if you had grown to the age of 19 and this story was presented to you for the first time. But since it was told to you since infancy you take it as true. If you step outside your dogma you might even notice how silly it is even right now.

If I told you that a donkey spoke to me you would instantly conclude that I’m crazy or you’ll ask to see the donkey yourself for evidence, hence you dismissed me on some rational grounds. But the minute you read it from the bible, rationality goes straight out the window and you believe in talking snakes and donkeys. So you believe in an ancient book written by ancient goat herders without evidence rather than your own critical reasoning.

It’s also superstition when washing of sins needs a human sacrifice (I’m talking of human ritual), nailing someone to a cross to remove sins is actually human ritual, which is what your God practices. Also it’s stupid to feel that one act can affect the other, how can the death of someone on a cross affect the cleansing of sin? What’s the correlation? This requires ignorant gullible people to believe, as a rational mind cant process the depth of foolishness involved to accept this as fact.

You called me gullible. Biggest laugh I’ve had in a long while. How is it that I’m the gullible one? You’re the one who believes ridiculous things like a girl supposedly a virgin magically delivers a baby boy by way surrogacy, this baby happens to be the son of God, this son also happens to be God himself also (talking about trinity, do you know the whole trinity thing and resurrection was only recently added to the bible by some monks less than a thousand years ago, it wasn’t there before). He died to wash away sin yet people still sin till this very day, how pathetic. How else do you define gullibility other than a bunch of people giving their money to a self-acclaimed minister of God for him to read from a book you all have a copy of once a week.

Nigeria loses over 20 percent of its internally and externally generated revenue to pastors who fleece more than 40 percent of the population with tax-free returns. Imagine billions of naira being lost all around the nation every Sunday, if these monies were diversified elsewhere we would be in the same league with irreligious countries like Japan, Sweden, Denmark etc. all their monies circulates within the economy and they just keep prospering. Our economy is being raped in the guise of religion.

Religion is make-believe.

Science is evidence-based.

Why don’t we see pastors in hospitals healing people in droves and emptying clinics off their patients? We see only doctors there using equipment and apparatuses provided by science because prayers won’t heal (forget the show you see on TV) you need drugs provided by science despite having faith as huge as a mountain in your choice deity. Since you like make-believe so much then just remain encased in your cocoon called religion and dream on. Zero advantage to be derived from it in the real world.

I don’t blame people like you and how you view the world because science is hard so why not believe the most simplistic tailor-made answer; Genesis 1:1 God create the heavens and the earth. Period. Ponder no more. Now, you don’t need to bother about finding out about “Abiogenesis” which is a tougher story to digest, no need to read heaps of science books, rather stick to that book written to keep you deluded for life.

God didn’t create man.

Man created God.

Man created god to explain away all the difficult questions.

Imagine 5000 years ago, a prehistoric man sees lightning zipping across the sky and even this lightning to his bewilderment strikes trees and causes fire. He had no explanation for this, so he begins to revere lightning, next he begins to worship trees struck by lightning, he worships rivers, rocks, sculptures and calls it God. Now, he passes this practice his sons and daughters, who also passes it on to their sons and daughters and now it has been passed to you through the ages (it has gone through many, reformations, reinterpretations, customizations, diversification etc.) and now you are going to pass it on to your sons and daughters too, they’re also going to pass it on too and it goes on like that. It’s the oldest running scam in history ever since medieval politicians understood the massive gains and benefit they could acquire from people’s gullibility (Read about: “East meets West” Greeks and Roman politicians partner up to form the biggest religion, Christianity)

Also, whenever you catch yourself quoting the bible like you did earlier, just know it’s all “circular reasoning”, the worse of its kind.

How do you know the bible is true?
Because it’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
Because it’s written in the bible.
How do you know the bible is true?
Because it’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
Because it’s written in the bible.

Circular reasoning because each need the other to prove the other and can’t be proven independently. Both of which, God and the bible has no irrefutable evidence to back its claim of existence and infallibility respectively. Since God has been camera shy for the last 2000 years and only resides in peoples heart it would be pretty tough to prove if he exists.

And as for the slavery thing you spoke about, you don’t want to get me started on that slavery write-up you made which was riddled with erroneous assumptions, it would only open up a different can of worms unfavorable to your argument.

Enough has been said.

Rise above superstition!

gisevak:
You that is not ignorance, prove the following with scientific explanation

Dream

Sleep

Gravity

The First human on earth

You are more ignorant than I think

Dream is series of thoughts, images, and sensations occurring in a person's mind during sleep.
So I don't know how that relates to supernatural Powers

gisevak:
There over billions of things to find out? well, if you don't know, check these out.

Have you found out if life on earth is accidental or not?

Gravity is both incredibly weak and incredibly strong as per scientists, holding the entire universe together, whilst also being 10^36 times weaker than the force that brings two magnets together. Explain how is able to attract every things to the earth while magnets cannot?

So gravity is supernatural Powers abi? So you are in control of gravity

gisevak:
Put untouchable videos aside, do you really believed there is no supernatural I have really experience supernatural things myself.
As an agnostic, it make no sense to conclude with 100% assurance that there is no supernatural. Are those things you put up there your reasons It's laughable!!!

So what are your experience

gisevak:
The video was captured through his tiktok handle. Observation is a key to knowledge. Make more findings for yourself and stop relying on only what you have been told. Atheists are dogmatic just as organized religion. There are things beyond the physical that we can as well explore just as physics.

You keep talking about atheists which is not the point
I will bring a blind man to any pastor or herbalist to cure instantly and until that happens then I will believe you.
But wait o all these miracles happening churches so they're not real

jaephoenix:
Junkie, not only needs education but rehab. Dude's brain is fried

Please
All I'm saying is let someone get us something debate Worthy, yet nothing just talking.
They will be quick to show me fake edited videos but when I request for real prove of supernatural Powers they will tell me that it cannot be seen or proved

gisevak:
A supernatural events happened to him. This happened when he confronted an herbalist and he was trying to destroy the man shrine. My brother, there are a lot of things beyond physics. You are diving into world of atheism from your topic. I was once an atheist but changed my view as some of their points is not logical and reasonable. It's better to be agnostic than being dogmatic.

Lol Untouchable that fakes videos, you are not serious.
If you believe Untouchable then you still have a long way to go. I watched that video where he took one girl to her boyfriend how she accused of putting her picture in a calabash.
That video is completely scripted.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you bring Vladimir Putin to Nairaland as evidence that Russian president exists?

Ọmọ magical powers are not the properties of those using it they borrow it from the spirit world so it's the spirits themselves that choose to reveal themselves to whoever they want not the other way around.

So instead of asking a borrower to display the wealth that doesn't belong to him why not go to domain of the owners themselves?

Find a local shrine then enter and disrupt the place, i wish you live to tell the story!

And just to prove to you how useless shrines are, choose any shrine of your choice or better the most powerful shrine and if given the go ahead order I will destroy and burn it down to ashes.
I don't need to step in there, just a lighter, fuel and gloves.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you bring Vladimir Putin to Nairaland as evidence that Russian president exists?

Ọmọ magical powers are not the properties of those using it they borrow it from the spirit world so it's the spirits themselves that choose to reveal themselves to whoever they want not the other way around.

So instead of asking a borrower to display the wealth that doesn't belong to him why not go to domain of the owners themselves?

Find a local shrine then enter and disrupt the place, i wish you live to tell the story!

Which shrines are you talking about, the ones that went into hiding when covid 19 struck or the one that was useless when the white men came and took our people as slaves or the useless shrines that cannot take our country out of poverty or the shrines that cannot even help the people worshipping it.

You people are delusional, don't you think that does shrines will be needed in Ukraine to fight Russia.
The most useless thing in this country is a shrine. Just to let you know.

That Noah story is ridiculous, it's not possible and it's total BS.

Aemmyjah:
I hope he listens

The problem with people is that they have instilled fear that you people will rather not talk about it because it's like something is going to happen to you nothing is going to happen to you.

I have faced some of this juju or herbalist, they have absolutely no powers, as far as you don't come near me do whatever you want it doesn't work.

Go on TikTok, Facebook and so on, people are now claiming to be traditionalist and herbalist which before never happens because people taught they are real, that the gods will kill them if they are not real but as people began to realize that all these people are actually powerless that nothing will happen to them so they started doing it since it's lucrative.

That's why many pastors do whatever they like because they know that no one is going to hold them accountable.

lordm:
They don't exist bro

That's the truth. If you really think about it, do you think the world will still be in existence if some people have power to change the nature of things.
This world will be ruled by people with those supernatural Powers, the heart of men is evil and I can authoritatively tell you that world would not have survived if really supernatural Powers exists.

MaxInDHouse:
How old are you?
How many places have you been?
If you're seeking magical powers it's not given to everyone because those in charge has their own mission and if you're not part of their target they will not even come close to you so you can't see anything to hold onto as evidence of their existence.
So free your mind and go find something clean to do for survival because spiritism doesn't
work for the innocent but heartless humans whoever goes into it has no means of a return back to normal life.
A word is enough for the wise!

I'm not seeking for magical powers because it doesn't exist in the first place.
And you know what, if anyone here have powers let the person do something right now or just keep quiet and stop deceiving people.

Or go and claim the 2.5 million naira that Gbenga Adewoyin Promised to give to anyone who can prove to him that they have supernatural Powers, be it a pastor, Iman, magician, traditionalist or whatever you call yourself.

And just to let you know that it's been over a year and no one has been able to do it.

Kobojunkie:
What is your proof of the conclusion reached by you? You never went to the triangle yourself to experience and conflrm any of what you claim though. You simply based it on opinions that seem favorable to you. Again, the supernatural is not of physical space or measures and so it is ludicrous to assert that since Mr. A and Mr. B do not believe, a conclusion can be reached stating the supernatural does not exist.

I see the image you posted suggests you go there and experience it yourself so you can definitively add your own experience to that of those who had no supernatural experience whatever at the triangle..

So everything you know you did it yourself, so that means by your argument you have gone to heaven and seen god yourself and now you believe he exists.

gisevak:
Keep deceiving yourself. Can you bring into existence another planet like earth with chemical or science Your consciousness is a testimony there is a supernatural. Nature is an example of supernatural. Have you heard of popular tiktoker called untouchable? What keep sun or earth moving?? If you know, can you replicate it Can you prove me wrong with logic or science Try!!!

What has Untouchable got to do about what we are saying here.

MindHacker9009:
I agree that some of the videos were staged but how about the cctv videos, if they were staged too then they have done a very cleaver job.

Most cctv cameras don't have audio so you know

Kobojunkie:
The supernatural as the name implies is not of physical measurable space but of experience which tends to be a lot more subjective than most are willing to accept . So it is utterly ludicrous to claim that since A and B said it is not real, it then must not be real. It is better to shut up about these things than to insist your conclusion is the right one.

I didn't say Bermuda triangle is not real, I said that things that happen there are just like every other places, nothing special.

MaxInDHouse:
dis nah d yok of d yia!

I don't understand what you mean

LikeAking:
If they don’t exist, God too don’t exist….


Secondly imagine someone telling you to prove God exist…

Some challenges are just dumb and impossible…

Can anyone prove God exist?

The prove God exist or Juju exist is a very dumb challenge..

Believe what you like, but don’t tell anyone to prove what is impossible to prove…

So you are telling me there's no way to prove that God Or juju exists.
So it's not a fact it's just a believe and the good thing is you can believe anything but that doesn't make it a fact.
Do I need to believe that 2+2 is 4, no because it's a fact.

MindHacker9009:
Black magic for divination and remote controlling a person does exist.

And also

Top 20 Paranormal Events Caught On Camera


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JpebIGeAuw

I use to believe all these types of videos before but when I decided to find out if they are real or not that was when I discovered that
Most of these videos are fake, while the other few are explainable.
They have been debunked, the first clip on that video was staged by the school
Here is the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIKqI0B6D-A?si=2BMHR12DpzS2v-a6

Kobojunkie:
Wait a minute. You didn't in fact go and experience the triangle for yourself? You came to regurgitate tales told you by some one else of his experience or what are you doing here? Could you folks stop littering pages with bullsheet every now and then abeg! Oyinbo go carry himself enter Bermuda triangle in order to experience it for himself before drawing a conclusion. This, yet another lazy-minded bugger is here to tell us tales based on inexperience. Just wasted valuable minutes from my evening.

Imagine the line of reasoning: Because A and B said it is not true, therefore it is not true.

So I have to go to space to and experience it myself to believe people went there, or maybe shoot myself with a gun so I can experience it and know that it kills abi?.

I have been doing so many research recently about many things they told us about supernatural Powers, miracles Juju or black magic and religion to see things for myself to know if really all these things are real or they are just made up stories.

So these are some of my findings

This is a common one that most of you must have heard and it was the reason I embarked on this search because all my life I have always believed it until I decided to investigate and find out myself.

1, Indian beat Nigerian 100 - 1[b][/b]
I don't want to go into details of what I found out but I know you guys now know the truth because that never happened.

2, BERMUDA TRIANGLE
After researching and reading about the truth behind the so called strange happenings, it turned out that Bermuda triangle is just like other places and their is nothing special about it. I could have gone into more details but I just want to make this post as short as possible.

3, JUJU OR BLACK MAGIC
There's one young man his name is Gbenga Adewoyin, he offered #2.5million naira to anyone who can prove to him that juju or supernatural Powers exist and as I'm writing this post no one has been able to come out and claim that money.
He has been to many states, radio stations and in social media yet no one was able to prove to him that all those Powers, miracles and juju exists.
He even said in one of the radio stations where he was been interviewed that you don't need to come to him physically but yet nothing.

Another thing that I don't understand is in this day and age of technology that camera is everywhere yet not one single evidence of where juju or supernatural Powers manifested. Instead it's doctored and edited videos you will see everywhere.

Even the magicians that I thought that have powers, I later found out that all those magics they perform are just tricks.

I will stop here for now, but I'm still open to anyone who will prove to me that I'm wrong.