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basilico:
sssh How dare you say you that? they all blacks.
If you interrogate further I suspect they have no father figures

feedthenation:
The Republican Party just announced they are withdrawing from future presidential debates. Echoing Trump, they said the commission that has hosted the debates for over 34 years is “biased” and they are “going to find a better platform.”

DeepSight:
It is exceedingly lazy and escapist to hold an argument against IDs based on work commitments or commitments to care. There is more than sufficient time for all - as I said - over two years between elections at the minimum - at least in the states.

Secondly the very fact that questions can be raised about mail-in voting and ballot harvesting is enough reason to raise the bar on identification. In truth, I neednt even cite these as any step to lock in the integrity of the process even further can only be welcome. No well meaning and serious citizen could quarrel with such.

DeepSight:
From your own link -

"Obtaining free electoral ID cards involves prospective voters having to take time off work and caring responsibilities to travel to council offices during opening hours to request them. Those that can most easily take time off from work or caring responsibilities to do this are usually the most likely to already have ID."

I say its both escapist and lazy for anyone to rely on this given that there is no urgent deadline within which this can be done. Any serious voter can find time in what is at least two whole years between elections.

DeepSight:
@ Konkoja -

Many thanks for taking the time to give, again, a reasoned response. Appreciated.



Why not though? If you really want to participate in a formal exercise it's very hard to argue against such reasonable identification. Why would anyone want to participate in a free, fair, open, formal and public exercise such as an election while resisting presentation of a photo ID. You have to agree that that would eternally offer grounds for suspicion.



Lets be wary of deploying the obvious notion of general complexities as defenses against the simple and rational.



Glad you answered your own poser here. People who dont wish to engage with the system have no business being aggrieved on account that they were asked to present photo IDs.



Every measure to further or improve the openness and legitimacy of elections should be supported by all well meaning people. Amigo, to be candid, no matter how you spin it, those who seek to avoid photo identification in such a matter will eternally come off as highly suspect. There's just no way to spin this one. If it were something which was a function of money for instance, you could argue that it would disenfranchise the poor. But it is not. If it were something which was a function of education, you could argue that it would disenfranchise the lower classes. But it is not. If it were something which was a function of any other qualification by merit, race, sexuality, religion, ethnicity or the like, you could argue that it would disenfranchise people of certain categories. But it is not. It is available to every person cross country.

Frankly it is also not lost on one that some of the principal categories of people who would be interested in avoiding photo IDs must include fugitives, impostors and fraudsters of every description.

As I said before, while I appreciate you taking the time to set out your reasoning, there is just no way to argue against any measure which offers full and proper identification for voters in an election. Arguing against such will always amount to arguing against free and fair elections.

DeepSight:
Thanks for this reasoned response ... I may respond in detail later as I am on the road. But for now you really have to bear in mind that among the "complex social issues" which you raise is the very real "complex" issue that resisting IDs will rightly be seen by many as a desire to rig elections.

IDs are used for virtually everything. Banking. Flying. Even to have an alcoholic drink. How much more to choose decision makers over the future.

There cannot really be any sound argument against IDs. Note that rather than present one, you merely said it's a complex matter. That's a weak response. You should get down to the exact complexities and show what's problematic with it.

DeepSight:
I lean left, but I dont think anything can justify standing against IDs for elections. Its only common sense. Even here in vastly retarded Nigeria we use PVCs. How would you feel if a section of the country rose up in arms against the use of PVCs?

basilico:
We are gonna see lotso that. Dems don't want voter ID because blacks are too dumb to get an ID yet they have bank accounts to recievee social justice handouts.

Ibime:
What was the voter turnout in USA last election. Who cares about your North Korea

When GQP can't win election, they cry fraud, so they can steal elections with pen and voter suppression. Which of the following did you have at the age of 18 when you were eligible to vote?

Enugurangers:
Stacey did not invade Georgia with MAGAts cultists but Trump invaded Washington DC

Stacey did not bring touts to smear poop but Trump did

Stacey did not shout stop the steal and encouraged touts to try and stop the certification but Trump did

We could go on and on....

raumdeuter:
From the desk f Hilary Clinton

Suddenly Democrats care about conceding elections

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/513527-hillary-clinton-biden-should-not-concede-under-any-circumstances

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/hillary-clinton-joe-biden-donald-trump-us-election-2020-a9688361.html

raumdeuter:
Has Stacey Abrams conceded that the 2018 Georgia Governorship election was lost and Kemp won fairly?

ono:
The one thing that has distinguished Trump - from other presidents (like Obama de o dumber), is that he doesn't like to chicken out, especially when he's got hard evidence that a crime has been committed.

Take for example, the Russian Hoax saga, the Ukrainian president's phone call saga, the stolen election of 2016 (Russian puppet) etc etc. Trump said all those were fabricated lies against him and his office. Over time, and with a little effort on his part (Special Counsel Durham), he's been proven right - all the time.

Why will his claim that the presidential election of 2020 was rigged be different?

What are the odds that he's lying and cannot be trusted? What has he got to lose? He's a wealthy man already - a septuagenarian who should be resting and enjoying his wealth.

There is an audit trail convincing enough for me to believe him. The election was rigged.

benalvino3:
Sedition is a crime from the mouth. Insurrection is an action, a physical crime. The guy was not at the capitol or attacking anyone, I don't think they will succeed on this one. Just as they failed with the Russia collusion BS. The DOJ is Desperate to put people under investigation so as to affect their political aspirations. they are afraid of trump running again.

Fashionista01:
In the olden days thieves don't rule a community but these days thieves are crown King, Worshipped and celebrated in the community.

#Things fall apart.

ButterBurger:
The Oba no support Buhari APC

basilico:
What infuriates me is stuff like that. Pelosi has a commission investigating Trump
They leak anything damaging to Trump.
The worst of the worst is media lying , hiding and pushing a narrative. Acting in unison with goolag to censor such videos because they bury the myth.
What infuriates me is that simpletons cant see the lies.

benalvino3:
they see it but they don't care. They know it is all lies. a good example is the Governor Whitmer kidnapping scandal. they see the FBI in full force doing illegal stuff but it is okay with them because the FBI claimed to be going after a right-wing group.

mass formation Psychosis is in play.

by pushing out their own narrative and hiding any other counter-narrative, they tend to control what the mass thinks... these are mainly based on people with a bit of open-mindedness but, when you look at some who have confirmation bias... they go about searching for the media lies.

Rawtruth1:
I completely agree with all the above submission. I want to add too that as a married couple, the only godly way of having se*x is the missionary position. Any other one is from the pit of hell. Thanks

basilico:
Trump did not lose fairly. I have provided numerous articles showing fraud.
Unfortunately that term mass formation physchosis applies to you perfectly well.
The democrat and PR machine has declared Joe Biden won.
And so Followers can be hypnotized and be led anywhere, regardless of data proving otherwise. A key aspect of the phenomena is that the people they identify as the leaders – the one’s that can solve the problem or issue alone – they will follow that leader(s) regardless of any new information or data

You have been hypnotized to believe Biden won despite all the new information out.

Lets take another case.Russia. Media hypnotized you and I guess you still think Putin helped Trump in 2016 despite evidence that Clinton campaign cooked up stories in conjunction with Glen Simpson to spread the lie.

Another case debunked that you still believe as a result of mass formation physchosis? That Trump built cages to house illegal aliens which we all know were built by Obama.

Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian disinformation? You still believe that?

ISIS was also a JV team? You still believe that?

basilico:
Pychosis is when people lose some contact with reality. Mass formation psychosis is when a large part of a society focuses its attention to a leader(s) or a series of events and their attention focuses on one small point or issue. Followers can be hypnotized and be led anywhere, regardless of data proving otherwise. A key aspect of the phenomena is that the people they identify as the leaders – the one’s that can solve the problem or issue alone – they will follow that leader(s) regardless of any new information or data. Furthermore, anybody who questions the leader’s narrative are attacked and disregarded

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/mass-formation-psychosis?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web

Lots here who have been manipulated .May
2022 be the year scales from their eyes.

basilico:
Owning a car is outdated '20th-century thinking' and we must move to 'shared mobility' to cut carbon emissions, transport minister says.
Because climate change.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10298487/Owning-car-outdated-20th-century-thinking-transport-minister-Trudy-Harrison-says.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

Worst thing, many leftists will buy this load of crap. Many have been convinced that the father mother children family is outdated. America has just 19% family units, UK would be in the 36% region.
Nuclear family So old fashioned.

benalvino3:
Juicy smooye was found guilty on five charges because he is black. If he was white they would have dropped the case against him.

Systematic racism in 2021

Ibime:
You isa show tha compassion to help ta fry tha cassava and teach tha girl ta read. Isa charity work still.

You isa have tha farm and house in tha village. Some Umudike Republicans isa retire with that alone, and isa try buy the garri for half-price so as not ta increase tha welfare spending.

Laurene:
there were glitches that switched trump's votes in some places and was rectified, stop pretending.

In Pennsylvania, republican poll watchers were barred from collation centers and then Pennsylvania supreme court approved it. Are you going to deny this one?

Cheating down ballot would be time consuming and risky, besides the presidency is the utmost importance, so they paid attention to it.

Democrats would wait for republicans to report their precincts and counties completely before weighing how many votes they'd need to overturn the lead; thanks to vote by mail that did their dirty work for them.

Fat and lying Stacy Abrams sent out democrat agents to repair people's Mail and convince them to vote or switch their vote to democrat in Georgia as votes tickled in.

Vote by mail is shady and suspicious that's why Dems has been pushing for it long before COVID. Why?

benalvino3:
Systematic racism in America, the ones some people here don't talk about, the people who create the systemic racism are still the ones who cry systematic racism. Just look at them, see how hateful they are.

These same liberals are the ones who encourages our brothers on nairaland to see themselves as victims.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1461189507617673217?t=Ic7cKNOix-_S4prUTDICZA&s=19[/quote]Jesus! You just can't help yourself! How does claiming existence of racism whether institutional or otherwise makes one a victim?

Millions of black people from different walks of life get on in life despite existing of structural and personal experiences of discrimination.

There is a direct correlation of push back by entrenched White structures and systems (that you unfortunately carry water for here) and increasing empowerment within black community across many fields in the society.

They are scared, afraid of losing their domination and changing power dynamics. But, just a matter of time, just a matter of time.

So, let those willing and bold to call out racial discrimination be. History will judge them as those who didn't fold their arms in drive for equality and justice irrespective of ones skin colour despite fight back against them.

zendi:
Which country be Jan 6, Nicaragua?
Abeg, I no dey oo.........

What I know is,

If you give a Banana Regime (BR) two lambs called 'Rioting' and 'Trespassing',
They will quickly clone them to two lions, 'Insurrection' and 'Treason'.

When a BR gives the family dog a hostile name,
Then you know they wan turn am to
pepper soup.

zendi:
A blundering, bungling, botching, 4th world banana regime is commencing the big crackdown on political opposition ! Woketopia's jails about to be filled with regime opponents !

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basilico:
According to CDC data, children aged 5-14 years-old have accounted for only 161 COVID-19 deaths since the start of the pandemic. In comparison, this same group has experienced 194 pneumonia deaths. To put these numbers into perspective, the CDC cites over 530,000 COVID-19 deaths for the ages 65 years and up. As New York Magazine observed, “The Kids Were Safe from COVID the Whole Time.”

In other words vaccinate 30m kids to save 161 lives.

budaatum:
You must be defining incompetence.