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who gives a flying fck about who blacks around the world celebrate. King actually accomplished something with his methods. Malcolm x and marcus garvey were just black men that talked the talk but aint sh.it was accomplished. Did blacks end up creating their own nations? Hell africa is a black continent and look how it is.lol. King is looked at as greater than them because he was smarter than them. He knew that black americans only hope was to be treated equally here in america and that the afro-centric view point was bullsh*t. Black americans look up to king because unlike the others he accomplished something.

And his wife was quite black thank you

I have no "mission"

Hip hop culture was predominately created by black americans

The census of the sixties and any generation before that shows that caribbeans were in no way a significant part of the black population

Marcus gavey was great. But martin luther king was better lol

Yes if you check the census, non black americans didnt even make up 1% of the overall black community in the united states. I think it was .5% or something like that

Your post shows that u know very little about civil rights. The civil rights movement consisted of hundreds of black americans. Theres alot of names that had an impact on civil rights that we dont even know about. And yes the black struggle was nationwide, the epi center may have been in the south(where the majority of BA's lived) but civil rights was fought by blacks from the west coast to the east. The black panthers started in the west coast. There were movements in harlem in the north. Civil rights wasnt all martin luther or malcolm x.lol

Black americans are popular because black americans are talented. Nothing else. We created things that people around the world could connect with. It has nothing to do with being in america. And even alot of american/western pop culture to begin with, is heavily black american influenced

As far as hip hop. Kool herc did not "create" hip hop. Hip hop was created by the community of the south bronx(where im from) predominately consisting of black americans. If anything afrika bambaataa was more influential in the actual creation of hip hop culture/music and he(despite his afro centric name) was a black american. There is no caribbean instance of hip hop that predates what happened in the bronx. Reggae is basically a jamaican version of the blues so where do we go from there? lol hip hop was a black american construct

Caribbeans were giving their credit. You over did it however

Who would you nominate? And of course, they must be of african descent

Im not trying to make us greater than we are. Black americans for the most part changed the united states into the country that it is today. Im just not going to let anyone take that away from my people. We were the bulk of civil rights and great black american leaders so the notion that 70% were supposedly caribbeans, insults me. And spits on the hard work of my people. Caribbeans and africans didnt even start coming into the U.S en masse until the late 60s,the 70s,80s. As in- after civil rights was won for blacks in america. Look at the census during those times

Nobody is trying to take anything away from caribbeans and africans. But people have no problem with doing so with black americans. No matter how ridiculous it sounds

When i said "grown" i meant africans from age 20-30 ish. And yes they do know who lil wayne is. And would you care to share your so called experiences

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=759248.msg9168763#msg9168763 date=1316315215]Except if it's an AA making such comments, I just shake my head and walk off. Not worth the reply.[/quote]Why are we beneath you?

marcmuzman:
Malcolm x father was black and grew up culturally black American. There was nothing caribbean about him. And black americans marched,fought protested all the Above. The civil rights movement was won mainly by black americans and king was the most important member of that movement. Saying anything else is just revisionist thinking

Alot of African Americans ( Even all of us) that 6 out of 10 ten times,  Have heritage from the Caribbean,  We tend to forget how exactly the Trans-Alantic Passage  also known as the Middle Passage operated,   Most of our ancestors was "seasoned in a Caribbean Island before brought up to the states. And we were transported back and forth between those islands after the fact most of us entered the United States, we didn't have a permanent home at all.

For example :

Louisana= " African Americans there have a mostly have a cultural background of French, Spain and Native American.
Haiti = First known as 1/2 of Hispaniola have a mainly French cultural background
Dominican Republic= First known as 1/2 of Hispaniola have mainly a Spanish cultural background
( Funny thing is they are very close to each other also)

And all three of these places have similar traditions, dishes and even there citizens have similar last names.

Without the Caribbean especially Haiti we wouldn't know how a nation of African descent could be a independent republic.

Last example:

The Gullah
The Gullah are African Americans who live in the Lowcountry region of South Carolina and Georgia, which includes both the coastal plain and the Sea Islands.
They are known for preserving more of their African linguistic and cultural heritage than any other African-American community in the United States. They speak an English-based creole language containing many African loanwords and significant influences from African languages in grammar and sentence structure. Properly referred to as "Sea Island Creole" the Gullah language is related to Jamaican Creole, Barbadian Dialect, Bahamian Dialect, and the Krio language of Sierra Leone in West Africa. Gullah storytelling, cuisine, music, folk beliefs, crafts, farming and fishing traditions, all exhibit strong influences from West and Central African cultures.

@ K.O.N.Y believe it or not you most likely you have forebears in your family that probably are Caribbean, So Yes I agree with MsDarkSkin,  70% of our African American Leaders do have Caribbean Hertiage.

So if you want to deny it or not we us African Americans ( I am both Caribbean and African American)- might as well embrace and accept the fact Caribbeans, and Caribbean Americans are instrumental to the Civil Rights and accomplishments of African Americans. If you want any more examples I would happily share them with you ![b][/b][size=12pt]

I understand that slaves were transported to and from different islands. But at that point we were all just africans. I dont consider any of them to be caribbeans or americans that early in the slave trade. When blacks first came to america we were essentially just africans on north american soil. Same thing with slaves in the caribbean. The birth of black america didnt come until time passed and allowed the slaves living in america to develop their own distinct,american culture. The same thing with caribbeans

So i think its reaching, or at best null and void at this point to say that black americans have caribbean "heritage"

The main thing is the overwhelming majority of famous/influential black americans, in and out of the civil rights movement, were the descendants of slaves in america and were culturally black american. This 70% nonsense is blasphemy and an attempt at caribbeans trying to change history. Yes there were people may have had caribbean parents, but for the most part they were americans

As far as people from the low country,

Some of my best friends and family members come from this region. And yes they do have a distinctive way of speaking. And yes its very similar to the way people speak in the caribbean. But theses people are southern black american as it gets lol

Yes it is true. Many black americans do make fun of african but primarily when we were CHILDREN. No grown b.american is going to make fun of africans like that. Whereas grown african men and women judge b.americans off of lil wayne.lol

MsDarkSkin:
African Americans fail to acknowledge or realize that about 70 percent of their leaders were west indian in origin or the children of caribbean immigrants. funny how unlike the AAs the sense of black power and urge to connect with Africa is felt stronger in the caribbean than in the US. sure you have the black panther party (whose symbolic 'black panther' logo was created by a trinidadian  ) and various islamic/ lost tribes of israel groups but all have their foundations in the caribbean. in the caribbean we have all of the above AND more. African americans for the most part gave up on the movement after Malcolm x (whose mother was half west indian  and father and avid follower of marcus garvey  ) and Dr. king were shot.  we introduced the "by any means necessary" mentality while AAs were all about marching  . and today's strongest and most respected among the american pan africanists, louis farakhan is the child of two west indian immigrants  .


ask any AA who are TRULY into their roots about how and why their interest in africa came about and I can GUARANTEE it will include reggae music, bob marley, peter tosh; etc who ALL got their start from Garvey-ism.

You cant be serious thinking west indians are 70% of black american leaders. There are hundreds and most were the descendent of slaves in america. West indians didnt even have a big prsence in the united states back than. Especially in the south where most of that stuff took place. Its more like 7% not 70

And black americans get their afro-centrism from other black americans.Outside cities like nyc(where im from) and a couple others, caribbeans dont really have a big presence like that to inspire blacks across the states in any significant level. Im not saying there arent prominent caribbeans in black history, but to say 70% is a joke


Malcolm x father was black and grew up culturally black american. There was nothing caribbean about him. And black americans marched,fought protested all the Above. The civil rights movement was won mainly by black americans and king was the most important member of that movement. Saying anything else is just revisionist thinking

MsDarkSkin:
sbeezy8. . . .
[size=18pt]MARCUS GARVEY WAS NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN OOO!!!           


HE WAS JAMAICAN BORN AND BRED GADEMMIT!!! AS IS ALL OF HIS DESCENDANTS! GET IT RIIIIIIIGHT!!!!  [/size]

As much as i like you mz darksin. I have to say that marcus garvey was dependent on black americans to get his message across. And overall he was an extremely overrated figure in black american history

saiyaman:
I apologize to any Somali people I offended I just thought that this guy needed a taste of his own medicine

lol SMH

saiyaman:
Look its the great black American whiner   agreeing with Somalis wont get you that Somali woman you so desperately want 

Nayah I'm just reminding that loser to go back to what hole he crawled out of, instead of concerning himself with real issues he write BS and won't go to Somalilife and etc to go post it.

Im sorry my nigerian sister. But only black american women are worthy. But east africans are hot though, i wouldnt mind wifing one up