₦airaland Forum

saiyaman:
. But since we all owe the air we breath to Black Americans you'll deny this fact too

i dont think you africans owe us anything. Im just saying, africans focus way to much on the negative when it comes to black america. Motherland this,egypt that, kings and queens, the original people etc. All of this is beaten into our heads by other black americans. Africans have nowhere near that level of respect for B.A's. Thus they're not in any position to talk

show me examples where africans embraced americans. Besides ghana and liberia

why do you feel Cheikh Anta Diop's ancient egypt theories can't withstand scrutiny ?

MsDarkSkin:

Um?

anonymous6:
we know those women you listed are brown skinned black, I mean who would think Angela Bassett is light skinned(I don't) but we are not talking about them though

WTH are you talking about? Those women and women around their complexion dominate hollywood not lightskin women. And no they are not lighter than the average black women on the street

Those women have an average complexion amongst blacks. They are in no way light skin

All shes saying is that her mother was lightskin. Shes just a lightskin black women. Not biracial

And you said the majority were light skinned. Which they are not

I stand by what i said. The majority of black women promoted in hollywood are not lightskinned

https://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/kerry-washington/kerry-washington-20070529-262758.jpg


https://static.dramastyle.com/images/casts/United_States/20855/Jada_Pinkett_Smith_17021.jpg

https://blogs.centrictv.com/shows/oncentric/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/angela-bassett.jpg

[img]http://4.bp..com/_ND920tPjWkA/SSNq7TeReWI/AAAAAAAARCQ/AiCbZabMNM0/s400/sanaa+lathan+24+face.jpg[/img]

And much much more. I agree hip hop is lightskin washed but not hollywood. Halle berry is not even light skin

And nicole ari parker is not biracial

The thing is at least black americans make an attempt to learn about africa. Most pan africans have been american or caribbean. Despite the negative image africa has in the media, black americans make it a point to point out how beautiful africa is, how they were kings,queens and great civilizations there,ancient egypt etc.

What has africans done but judge us for lazines, off lil wayne and women shaking their @ss in videos lol

MsDarkSkin:
 

ok K.O.N.Y if YOU. . i repeat [size=18pt]YOU[/size] say so. 
i know all about rap hun. you dont have to mention Afrika Bambataa to me.
I'm the one who is knowledgeable about AA culture and rap. 
Never said Brooklyn means I know everything dude. That just goes back
to my point that you don't read. I said it doesn't matter where one is from.

I'm not the one going down swinging but NOT connecting  .

What kind of slow analogy is that? 2pac versus toasting/chanting?
R & B comes from blues right? does Kheri Hilson sound EXACTLY like that of let's say
Billie Holiday? hell no! different factors come in and music evolves. I never said rap is entirely
Jamaican i said and KNOW that rap music's roots are in Jamaica. 

Even the average white person probably knows who bambaataa is at this point via jay-z empire state of mind. Thats not that impressive. What about the others i mentioned?

You dug a hole with that analogy. I would definently say that they are in the same lineage just the same as nas is to melly mel. I can go back to billie holiday and see the progression to keri hilson. I cant look at  2pacs "ambitionz az a ridah" and see any connection to the jamaican toasting you posted. A better example would have been someone like diana ross btw, i would classify her as being more of a prerequisite to a keri hilson. Billie holiday wasnt even in the same genre as keri

How does it not matter where your from? If anything you ,and the arguments by others not from the bronx, shows that it does. Growing up in the bronx and hearing personal accounts on hip hops creation is much better than someone from iowa, who gets their info from wikipedia lol like you. How am i going down swinging. You use wikipedia and the internet thats laughable. You've been knocked down and outclassed on some tyson sh.t lol

And again toasting is nothing new to black american culture. What you call toasting has been a part of american music since the 20's. Its nothing new. Jamaicas biggest contribution was kool hercs(a man that moved from yard when he was 11 btw) usage of the "break beat". Im not saying jamaicans had absolutely zero influence(like 98%/2%). But hip hop and rap(hip hop rap) for all intents and purposes is an american construct

Booshman:
Hey there Kony, speak for yourself. As an African American, I'd love to know where my bloodline originated from. Sure it wouldn't instantly solve any problems, but it's something that's always nice to know. If only it weren't so expensive.

Im curious to know as well, don get me wrong. But i dont feel its necessary. A'lot of africans think we are lost with no culture, just because we dont know our african lineage. Which is far from the truth

Americans win this. Americans have this secret nuclear weapon called Michael jackson,when it comes to dance

add james brown. Enough said

But before i really respond further how do you post youtube vids on this site. Like where you can watch the video in the post?

Rapping is one of the elements of hip hop and is american. How many times do i have to say that,what you call, "toasting" was already apart of black american music. Theres nothing new or distinctively jamaican about it

Jamaicans trying to steal credit from americans mention toasting. But even other americans try it aswell. Americans trying to steal credit from nyc mention people like the last poets,joe tex(i think thats his name) dolemite,gil schott heron(rip) etc as forms of rap

Your both wrong. Rap,toasting and spoken word over a beat are three different things. You gotta be an  if you think toasting and a nas verse are the same thing. Like i said the earliest true "rapper the hip hop version as we know it" was melly mel. And sounds nothing like toasters or anyone else.

What does being from brooklyn have to do with anything when the bronx was where hip hop started. Do you even know who afrika bambaataa is,Dj disco king mario,grandmaster theodore,lovebug starski? You get all your info from the internet lol. Your out of your league

The culture-hip hop and the music -rap is an american art form. Chanting and toasting is different from 2pacs "dear mama" lol. Show me an actual example of rapping coming out of jamaica that predates the 70s

anonymous6:
you are right, the mainstream like Hollywood are controlled by white people, if they show black people at times they have to be mixed like paula patton and Shemar Moore or light skinned like beyonce, especially for the black women. The funny part Black Hollywood is copying that attitude. That's why I don't expect much from Black hollywood or hollywood any more. Even legendary african american actor Harry Belonfonte told african americans in America should stop begging or trying to get acceptance or force hollywood to put people of color in Hollywood because Hollywood would never yield, he said blacks need to start doing their own industries and etc for now on: http://news.yahoo.com/belafonte-hollywood-wont-yield-those-color-015729470.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=14175646

Black people love saying this, but im sorry its just not true. Being lightskin in hollywood/meedia is the exception not the rule. The majority of black actors/actress and celebrities in general, are dark or brown skinned. I think you need to look at it again

Lol again you do nothing but prove my point. That video you showed came out in 1985, hip hop and rap was already out for damn near 15 years. Im from the bronx you are out of your league in this argument trust me. I would consider melly mel the true father of what we know of as "rapping" which is an american term btw. He was the one that introduced actual bars and lyrics with a message. He is the root of all mcs today. He is black and from the bronx(america)

Thinking of jamaican toasting as being some type of influence on american music is laughable in the first place. Call and response, chanting and so called "jamaican toasting" are nothing new to black american music. Not at all, its hilarious. Theres a huge differance between that video and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDCYjb8RHk

And this is early less advanced rap at that.


Nobody is trying to take credit away from anybody. Hip hop and rap started off essentially as a new york culture(not even american) overwhelmingly created by black americans. Hip hop is to americans as reggae is to jamaicans. I could say that reggae is basically a jamaican version of the blues to be honest



And by the time hip hop started to develop, americans were on some james brown jackson five type sh.t I hardly think anyone was swing dancing. Im not sure if your implying that jamaicans are better dancers or not lol

Kazeem101:
I'm not friendly with Black Americans or "African Americans" as alot of you like to be known. Infact, can any of you actually show me where in Africa you descend from?

From my personal experiences "African Americans" walk around with this constant chip on their shoulder. Most Africans that go to school with African Americans tend to get bullied or teased for being African. We get called "Uncle Tom" and "Whitey" just because we actually want to learn,instead of standing on a street corner selling drugs.

Also, the Hip Hop mentality that [b]ALOT [/b]African Americans carry around with you is shocking. Sagging pants, ebonics, constant foul language. I mean, what is going on?

This is not an attack. It's just what I've seen with my own two eyes. Am I proud of Black Americans? Only the few that actually want to better themselves. The majority just want a free handout. I would love to see how all those lazy, ghetto, hoodrats that depend on welfare would survive out here in Nigeria where nothing is given to you for free.

If you are a Black American and nothing that I said applies to you, I salute you!!! 

Lol black americans don't care what part of africa our ancestors 500 years ago, came from. I trace my family back to charleston south carolina and thats as far as i wanna take it. Its not necessary for us to trace back to some random tribe in africa theres no point

And have you seen the state africa is in.lol the entire continent lol. Do you see how africans act? Ya are ten times worst than we are. Black americans have been the most influential blacks in the world for like the past 100 years lol

I literally laughed out loud after hearing that. Its basically a person talking over a beat, i wouldnt consider that rap. Either way thats nothing new to black american music

And i love jamaican music as well. Black america went through a jamaican/reggae "invasion" during the late eighties/early nineties

This was my sh.t

http://youtu.be/clcDWjsl5eQ

Actually that article does nothing but confirm the fact that both hip hop and rap music are entirely american. First of all the article was wrong, rap started in the early 1970s not the early eighties. And did anyone bother to listen to the song lol. So now somebody simply talking over music is rap now? lol We might as well say dolemite and the last poets predated the bronx aswell. What a joke

Theres a big difference between this crap.

http://youtu.be/qMoYBJ-aSnI

And this-what i consider the first true rap song

http://youtu.be/O4o8TeqKhgY

lol those countries should have made a flag for martin luther king if anything,lol

exotik:
so tell me what he achieved for u apart from interracial relationship. the nigga was in-love with white women and that was the primary reason he was fighting for integration.

Yo you cant be serious. I know your not typing this with a straight face. You cant be

Before i respond further. Let me ask you, are you a black american?

King was fighting so that black men can have interracial relationships? Really lol. You have to be out of your skull to say some dumb sh.it like that