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Krumping sucks. So we dont even have to go there . And how is stepping african? Black people need to stop trying to connect every little theng they do to africa. No matter how farfetched it may sound. BLACK-American dance and music are distinctively AMERICAN. I dont know about you jamos. Our americaness actually pisses some black americans off believe it or not. So you will have certain americans implementing "ethnicity"(africa) in any aspect of our culture that they can. Even if its false

As far as jamo dancing. What you've been showing me so far confirms my assessment . Jamaican dance is a female thing. Not all of it, but most of it is and depends on the dancer having a dosage of estrogen

Kill two birds with one stone

Best dancer+Black american jazz/theatre dancing
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Hottest group in dance right now through all genres

Hip hop

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Black stepping

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What have you done to discount or prove my argument was wrong. I said blacks were more influential than jamaicans. You have done absolutely nothing to disprove that. Your argument is based on if caribbeans have any influence at all. Im not arguing that, thats not what im saying. You have yet to show a dance or dancers that are relevant to global pop culture outside certain interest groups. Whose a jamo dancer or dance that everybody knows?

Im curious is there more to a'lot of those dances than just shaking your @ss and gyrating your hips in a sexually suggestive motion? I see no technique,skill or sophistication with alot of the dances your posting. One has to have some volume of estrogen just to do that ish lol

what was said? Her whole argument is based off the assumption that i give caribbeans zero credit. I never said that. Im simply saying that they're no as influentioal,overall, as americans. Which is true.

Just look at this thread alone. The only thing she can show is random jamaicans doing dances. She has no gregory hines,janet jacksons,ushers,chris browns, michael jacksons to show me. You see the difference right there

How? she has yet to show a better caliber of dancers than i have. Killing what?

cap28:
hmmm, well you better pray that there is no break down of law and order in america tomorrow because if that ever happens, the white majority will remind you that you definitely dont belong in amerikkka.

Well i'll be waiting for any white person that shares that sentiment

Before going any further. Tyga sucks lol. And no hip hop is not becoming more "jamofied" as you put it. It was always a black american dominated art form and culture, and it will always be one. Especially now that the south and midwest is holding it down

If i was born to two african american parents but grep up in jamaica. I would consider myself to be jamaican. Its a nationality not a race. I technically have caribbeans in my family my uncle is "caribbean" and my three "1st" cousins are technically half carribean. They're all american and culturally african american. It would be reaching to consider my cousins as caribbeans lol. Bambaataa never said he didnt have any african american roots anyway. Hes about as caribbean as a busta rhymes



As far as chris brown. Hes good becomes off sloppy and doofy sometimes. His lines are no where near the level of someone like mj

i guess she was ok as well
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Afika bambaataa clearly says his parents were from new york. His american the same way colin powell and Farrakhan is american. Its not like jamaicans have a different genealogy than black americans. The only thing that seperates us is culture. And flash and Bam were american. I give you herc though because he actually came straight from the islands. Either way it was done in america mainly by americans. The foundation of the music is rooted in funk,james brown and disco. The culture was created by the south bronx urban youth mostly consisting of americans and latinos. Back than and still till this day.

But let me not derail since me you and lakal have made our "peace"

These quotes come as a shock

Do you remember hearing Herc play breakbeats for the first time?
Herc is not really the first time I heard breakbeats, but it was the first time that someone really pushed it.

Was Herc the first or was there someone else?
No Herc was the first to push it in the culture, but breakbeats had been around since disco, since James Brown, all the little breaks between records.

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"AAs were the only blacks that suffered right? lol. Probably lasted as long cause you all are so eager to be WITH whitey while the rest of us rebelled and do something with ourselves"

I cant believe i over looked this and let this slide. Fall back jamo. Black americans are by far the most influential and relevant of blacks worldwide. Our culture developed in the most racist most powerful society in the world. Caribbeans and africans have there own freaking countries,thats somethig black americans can only dream of. And ya still be on white peoples di,,cks.

MsDarkSkin:
[b] As for singers is this a thread about singing or dancing? 
Plenty of talent in JA singing wise but seeing as how I CREATED this thread all I want to see and discuss
is dancing.[/b]

You were the one that got off topic in the first place.

And i was just watching the news and the mj court case came up. LOL at the fact that a caribbean(conrad murray-mjs doctor) is the one responsible for killing the biggest black music  legend of all time. SMH lol

Back to dancing.

This performance was crazy


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I know i've said this before but, FOR THE LAST TIME I NEVER SAID JAMAICANS WERE NOT INFLUENTIAL.

This has nothing to do with my personal self esteem. But i see this as an attack on my peoples culture. Black americans have worked to hard for jamaicans to sit here and try and take credit away from us, we get that enough from whites. I will not stand for it. Jamaicans contribution to civil rights is extremely small. Civil rights was fought by black america not jamaicans. Ya was just along for the ride if anything. Stop trying to change history. The percentage of non black americans in america was extremely small during that time.

I didnt counter your videos because none of your videos discounted what i said. None of your videos show that jamos are more influential than americans. None. They just show that jamos have an influence. Which i never denied

Other members corrected me in what exactly?

I was trying to keep it in the realm of dance. U were the one that went off topic lol

I hold my american flag firm. We are the best dancers in the world

U mentioned keri hilson. Name a jamaican/caribbean thats even on her level. lol. All you have is rihanna whose success is dependent/based on black americans just like most caribbean americans(marcus garvey etc) lol

1.Ska was inspired by black american music whether it cam from the sixties or else

2. Idk how my point is void. The qoute clearly says you were inspired by american music on the radio. Which was predominately black american.lol

3. The point is reggae is STRONGLY INFLUENCED  BY AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSIC. And ska(which u promote as a direct influence was influenced by black music as well). Reggae is the jamaican version of the blues period.


I never said i can name ten jamos. Really only one comes to mind and thats garvey he was the only one that was culturally jamaican/caribbean. I challenged you to name ten jamos in the first place which you cant

I told you that "toasting" was always there in american music, so your point is void too i guess

Jamaican reggae is only successful because black americans were successful. Period. If it wasnt for our sucesses with jazz,blues,randb,funk etc reggae wouldnt be sh, t

Michael jackson is the greatest overall dancer of all time. Thats why hes so popular dummy./ Show me a jamo better than him? I'll be waiting

Theres no bob fosse or fred in this. This is all michael. And it changed dance forever. Does a jamo have anything on this level? I'll be waiting

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All roads lead to rome

All (modern)jamo music leads to black america

Let me begin

First with ska music. Which you claim is the foundation of reggae

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[i]"After World War II, Jamaicans purchased radios in increasing numbers and were able to hear[b] rhythm and blues [/b][/b][b][b]music from Southern United States cities such as New Orleans by artists such as Fats Domino[12] and Louis Jordan.[13]"[/b]
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"As jump blues and more traditional R&B began to ebb in popularity in the early 1960s,[i] Jamaican artists began recording their own version of the genres[/i]"

" Ska combined elements of Caribbean mento and calypso with American jazz and rhythm and blues."

Now with reggae

Reggae
Stylistic origins[b] R&B • Jazz [/b]• Mento • Calypso • Ska • Rocksteady

(they got it wrong with jazz i'll admit. The blues is more of an accurate influence)

Although strongly influenced by traditional African, American jazz and old-time rhythm and blues, reggae owes its direct origins to the progressive development of ska and rocksteady in 1960s


I want you to name 10 jamo people that were influential to black america in the first place if anything lol

You'll be wasting your time trying to find a jamaican with the talent of michael lol. A black american man

Jamaican music is successful because black american music was successful before it.

REGGAE IS A JAIMACAN VERSION OF THE BLUES

"All roads lead to Rome" All "Modern music leads to black americans"

Black american culture comes from blacks experience in america. There is no foreign influence. The harlem renaissance was a movement done predominately by black americans. Civil rights was predominately done by black americans. If there were any blacks of jamaican descent that had a hand in any of that, they were culturally black american not caribbean. Like i said what jamos call toasting is nothing new to american music. Rap was developed by black americans end of story. Puerto ricans are latin not west indain, silly lol. A map of the west indies is irrelevant, what makes you west indian is heavily dependent on culture. And puerto ricans are culturally latin


As far as r&b being played in your "country"(i thought you were american) Of course it was. Black people in america made modern music. Was stevie wonder songs resung by whites,was whitney houston songs resung by whites,was michael jacksons songs resung by whites,was princes songs resung by whites,was barry whites songs resung by whites. I can go on and on for days. Jamaica got its influence from black america not the fcking beach boys lol lets be serious. Even if it was resung by whites, it was still music created by black americans dummy

According to your logic blacks can claim reggae as reggae is heavily influenced by our music. Its not of our culture but it was influenced by our culture point blank. Your biggest star bob marley was doing a jamrock version of the blues period


Black americans dont have to claim jamaicans. We have more people that are of american descent that are influential already. I can count the number of jamaicans that were influential in america on my hand lol. Dont play yourself

Jamaican culture piggy backs off the success of black america if anything. If it wasnt for black america doing big things in music dance etc, jamaica wouldnt be sh.t real talk. We opened up the flood gates for black music


As far as the moonwalk. What you showed was the backslide. Mj created the moonwalk. Theres a differance between the two i already said the back slide came out in the 50's. Its still a black american concept either way. But better yet, show me a jamo more talented than that at the age of 7 or shut up. Jamos dont have anyone that is naturally talented like micheal period

Adding on to my last post

Mj just has a command over rhythm. More than anyone else. Can bob fosse do this lol MJ was a beast when it comes to dancing

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@mzdarkskin

For the last time. No one is saying jamaicans are not influential. Get that through your head. This is a competition(correct?) So im looking at it in that way. And im simply saying that jamaicans are not on the same level as black americans. We didnt get leverage because we live in america. If anything black people wouldnt get leverage whether they're from texas or kingston back than. We are on the level we are because black americans are insanely talented when it comes to music and dance. Modern music is basically our music. As far hip hop, hip hop is dominated by black americans,its culture is black american, rap was developed mainly by black americans. Stop fighting for little scraps, "toasting" is nothing new to american music. Jamaicans just gave it a special name. I know jamaicans would love to say they had a hand in our culture lol But let me ask you something? Isnt reggae heavily influenced by the blues and r&b music? lol americans had much more influence on that than jamos have on hip hop. Do you hear me or any other americans fighting for recognition for reggae? No you dont. SeeThis the sh,t im talking about

As far as that article. I stopped reading after it claimed that afrika bambaataa was of barbadian descent lol. He is an african american and my mother knew him personally. what a joke

Hip hop is not the end all be all to black music anyway. Its just the latest genre under our belt. We can give away hip hop(just like we did with rock to whites) and still have globally relevant genres of music

And stop "dhalsim from street fighter[i] reaching[/i]" lmao Puerto ricans are culturally latin not west indian

Sure mj was inspired by bobs mannerisms. Mj was inspired by many different dancers and dance styles. He took alot of elements and combined them as well as adding his own unique twist to it. That doesnt get in the way of michael jackson being a dynamic well respected dancer. Nobody had the range that michael did. Pidgeonholing him to bob fosse, just shows a lack of understanding why mike was the greatest. How can you do that when mj does tap,jazz,pop locking,hip hop,salsa,funk(james brown). His performances are second to none and on top of that his voice is incredible


The "back slide" existed in the 40s and 50s. Mj created the "Moonwalk". Theres a big difference between the two

This was before he got signed. And shows that mj is a raw talent. The best to ever do it

And its crazy, fosse and most of mjs inspirations were "professional" dancers. Mj technically is not. But could dance circles over grown men as a little boy lol The last thing you want to do is belittle a person like michael as a DANCER, of all things. laughable

mj as a lil boy
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There was simply no one more DYNAMIC period
To mzdarksin. Inever said jamaicans copied american dances or dancers. Im simply saying there style is not as influential as black americans. Which is true

Ms darkskin. I digress . Me arguing with a female is futile. You and caribbeans as well as other blacks look to black american influence first and foremost way more than vice versa.

Lets get back to dance

Show me a jamaican more dynamic than this


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@ physics qed

MJ has his own distinct style. Seperate from anyone else. Thats how he became so popular

MsDarkSkin:
DERAILED WHICH THREAD? by saying Americans girls got the hip rolling from caribbean woman? is that NOT on topic? you were the one who got offended hence your directing your posts to me directly and even just now "questioning how jamo i am"!

Please boy!   Don't even go there! I mean, to how hard I rep Jamaica in reality ppl have a hard time believing my pops (r.i.p) was an African American  . You got dusted! Deny and fight all you want. You say I am delusional yet you are the one who regardless of facts (links, videos cosigns) claimed Jamaica has NO influence on Rap, then you say Puerto ricans are not west indian and I had to show you a damn map before you could admit a small part of the truth. Like I give a damn what some say as opposed those I know and history. It's common sense. When we have a caribbean summit PR IS IN THE BUILDING! PRs don't really like being labeled however they rep the caribbean more and harder than they do latin America which includes the very groups they dislike being confused with which are south and central Americans. Then YOU claimed WE Jamaicans were irrelevant and I had to show otherwise and you chose to deny and ignore - cool. And lastly but most HILARIOUS of all is in your SMALL world everything is 100 percent American and with that nincompoop notion you then you come on a Nigerian website on various threads trying to make Africans feel like they "missed out" because they are not AA. I wouldn't be surprised if you were Mandingo! Someone as closed minded as yourself shouldn't dare question my loyalty or try to school me in anything cause you don't even know the basics of your own damn culture. Someone like you who claims Martin Luther King played more of a role in black nationalism than Marcus Garvey!  I am going back to the past disagreements cause that is the reason you chose to say B to my A even on this thread! lol. Please my brother grow up.

Like I said to each his or her own. I prefer Jamaican and CENTRAL African dancing you prefer American.
I say American culture is as easily INFLUENCED as it INFLUENCE you say other wise lol it's okay Konisha! 
Move on.

I can tell you exactly where you derailed the thread. You mentioned puerto ricans, puerto ricans are not west indians they are latin and a part of the hispanic culture not west indian. You mentioned slang and ornaments, none of which has to do with dance at all. Nobody is saying that jamos arent influential. Thats not what im saying. But in comparison to black americans, jamos are not as influential period. I thought this was a competition  not a discussion if jamaicans were influential or not


Jamaica has no more influence on rap than fellow americans. I was just saying that, toasting is nothing new to black american music which is true. Thus jamaicans influence on the music is extremely small. If anything hip hop was most influenced by Funk music, which is american not Jamaican

Mzdarkskin i think you got me all wrong.Black americans respect caribbeans for there influence and culture more than anyone else, even more than the british blacks. I remember when black americans had a jamiacan "invasion" during the late eighties early nineties.Similar to white music and the british "invasion"(beatles,rolling stones). I never met a Caribbean that i didnt like. .

Realistically your not as influential as black americans though. Im just keeping it real

So you didnt dust anybody. Black americans are still the most influential whether it be dance or anything else

I understand that puerto rico is physically  located in the west indies. But culturally puerto ricans are not west indian. For you to be from new york and promote that boricuas are west indian is beyond comprehension. Puerto ricans are worlds a part from jamaicans and you know it. Hardly any puerto ricans think of themselves as being west indian. They are latin end of story. Influences from puerto ricans are not influences from west indians. This is not unique to puerto rico, technically mexico is in north america. Should americans start including mexican accomplishments as well?

And yes jamaican dance has an extremely miniscule influence on american males. I dont know why your trying to make it more than what it is. Only black females take dancehall seriously on any noticeable level. Almost every single dance you posted were done by Females. Im not trying to be biased im simply telling you what it is. The most influence jamaican culture has on black american men are dreadlocks, you'll find a bunch of them in the south. And that has nothing to do with dance

Im sure there are jamaicans on the west coast. But outside of nyc, miami and maybe some other east coast cities. Jamaicans simply dont have that much of an impact on the overall black american spectrum. You should see this first hand living in north carolina. In  NC you most likely live your life, your swagger as a black american. You probably only play "jamo" when you get on the internet lol. I already know what time it is

I never said jamaicans weren't trendsetters. You set this thread up to be a competition, so thats how im taking it. Texas,atlanta,Va,especially SC, etc are overwhelmingly black southern american. Your delusional

You were the one that derailed the thread so, so be it

hip hop by way of russia

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Hip Hop by way of egypt(alexandria mall)

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Wow your extremely predictable. I knew you were going to exaggerate the whole "puerto ricans attending the labor day parade thing" Typical. Puerto ricans attend the labor day as well as black americans. Overall in no shape or form are puerto ricans considered to be west indian or a part of the west indian culture. They are latin, their culture is latin/hispanic, they speak a derivative of the latin language-spanish. No new yorker would honestly say that puerto ricans are west indians that is beyond laughable. Most puerto ricans themselves dont see themselves as west indians. Seeing  puerto rican breakdancers as west indian influence in hip hop is just slow

Like i said plainly in my last post. As far as dance is concerned, in this case hip hop. Hip hop became the dance that would dominate the way it does because of its western expansion. Mainly in the realm of pop locking,flexing, gliding etc many of these started in LA. Breakdancing is a seperate entity "within" hip hop dance. The point is hip hop dance as we know it today is a culmination of ideas from blacks across the states. This is not "new york" black americans vs jamaicans, hip hop having its foundation in nyc is besides the point in this argument. Hip hop dance in its "completed" form is what dominates pop culture not just its early new york version, which mainly focused on break dancing only

I understand perfectly what you said about the hot boyz. The thing is you think on a very limited scale. How can you account for all the people on the west coast,midwest and the rest of the south? there is no prior to the hot boyz, they were simply putting a trend that was already in place, but putting it on T.V and in rap videos. Nobody got the idea from jamaicans. Wheres your proof? And what does that have to do with dance


The south is the south. I have family in NC and SC. And i have spent considerable time there, went to school down there and everything. In no way shape or form are southerners influenced by jamaicans. You gotta be kidding me. Yeah southerners admire new yorkers style, but they have their own thing going on down there. Its a completely different world out there. Furthermore black america is more than just the south and new york. So where do we go from there lol. New york swag is not even dependent on west indians to begin with so wtf are you talking about. Your arguments work only if one is ready to take an extreme leap in logic.lol

By your logic. Blacks across the country are inspired by black americans from nyc, who you believe are inspired by jamaicans-thus caribbeans have influence over blacks across the united states-really?

Cats in london follow caribbean culture hard Im not going to front. The only reason being most of them are children of immigrants. But lets be serious i've seen plenty of videos to make an educational assumption. And that is -their swag is a carbon copy of americans overall. No different than most other black europeans

And who said i was a metrosexual? I said i like whining because as a man it serves my best interest to see girls shaking that @ss like that. Thats all


And i thought this was a competition on dance? Yes both communities are trendsetters theres no deneying that. But stop trying to make me look like the bad one here. You havent giving americans credit for sh,t yet, lol

[i]The only problem is horners don't give black american men the time of day or even look their direction, if it's not their men they usually settle for italian or arab men[/i]

Go to DC or minnesota. This is definently not the case.

im confused by the limb proportion chart. Why do american blacks have a different proportion than west africans? Why are we on the chart to begin with?

Comparing jamaican dance to american, is like comparing Nollywood to . They simply do not operate on the same scale. Yea nollywood has a presence, yes its influential,  But hollywood though, ? lol you get my drift

Mzdarkskin im completely sure im from new york. But claiming puerto ricans as west indians is completely laughable and reaching beyond belief.Really? lol. Furthermore black america and black american dance branch through out the entire country. Idk how you can pidgeon hole any style of black dance to one city. The best black hip hop dancers are not even in new york anyway, they're all around the country mainly on the west coast. Even the evolution of hip hop(dance) stems outside the five boroughs. So your point makes no sense. And again thanks for the laugh, trying to claim puerto ricans as west indians. That right there shows me how far your willing to go to make up an argument lol

You never mopped dusted or shined me on anything. All your arguments are either misinformed,"mike tyson reaching levels" or delusional. Just by you mentioning the hot boyz for the basis of bling bling shows you dont know what the hell you be talking about. Grills,frontz,chains all that, came out with cats in the eighties. Drug dealing n.ggas from harlem and s.hit. Cats getting money in the bronx, brooklyn etc Had nothing to do with "jamos". Pimps and dealers back in the seventies and sixties were rocking ice. You lost if you think that culture has anything to do with jamaicans.

Also stop beginning and ending everything with new york. Jamaicans and there culture are irrelevant to overall larger black american populace. Get out of new york/brooklyn for once. Blacks in the south,midwest,west coast barely see ya, damn sure not influenced by ya like that. Trust me. Diversity out there is the chineses guy at the chicken spot lol. Did "jamos" influence these people to rock chains aswell?

As far as slang, you cant be serious. This is those "mike tyson,joe frazier reaching levels" i was talking about that you be doing. Black americans influence the world with slang. Theres cats in london and belgium saying american slang. You bring up one word-big up-WOW!. In new york black american slang is king amongst us,latinos,caribbean-americans and anyone else. Not jamaican slang lol. And america is a huge place and im pretty sure most blacks are not influenced by jamaican slang like that.Blacks in L.A or Dallas dont even feel your presence unless they watching "shottas" or some s.hit lol. Lets not allow delusion to get in the way of common sense

As far as hip hop. I might say its not a black thing. Thats what happens when you make s.hit thats universal. It comes with the territory. Thats a pat on the back if anything.


As far as whining. Its not paticurly impressive i dont know why you keep mentioning it. Me as a heterosexual man, i personally love it for obvious reasons. But its a females dance and only "some" black american females are interested in it. *Remember get out of nyc for a chance*

America is not why blacks are known. Blacks are known because they are talented and talent cannot be denied. I've said this before. I dont think i need to remind anyone the conditions this "talent" had to go through in the past."Jamos" can easily use America or better yet the "UK" as an outlet to make a mark

I never meant jamaicans were a non factor in general. I know all about dance hall in japan and the like. But are you really going to compare that to hip hop,jazz,tap etc and their presence in the world. This is not about whether jamaicans are influential or not.I thought this was a competition

And lakal, you have some sense -BTW, Michael Jackson, who he pointed out, was not hiphop (or from the east coast).  Neither was James Brown.  Both important to kony's argument.

- You're making it sound as if every American dance is a direct copy of a dancehall dance.  I think you probably don't know much about how most black Americans dance real talk, if you are from the East Coast, you just won't get it.  Over there, many African Americans do copy West Indians, but it's not really like that anywhere else.

I guess theres nothing wrong about that. Everyone is different. But for me i can trace my family back to charleston south carolina, and thats as far i find it necessary to take it. But thats me though