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PoliticsRe: Alamieyeseigha's Pardon: Bill Gates Cancels Trip To Nigeria by kramer: 10:09am On Mar 18, 2013
UP Jonathan!!!... He has done it again angry grin
HealthRe: 1 Million HIV-Positive People In Benue – govt by kramer: 10:02am On Mar 18, 2013
Please what has the Benue Government been doing with the money allocated to it to fight the spread??

They should first give us an account of how they have spent the money and then we can carry on from there. The masses should not be blamed yet

Because I believe if people are vigorously warned about AIDS or preventative mechanisms are preached this sort of news wouldn't come up, definitely not to this degree.
PoliticsRe: Oga At The Top: Wife Didn't Protest At Channels TV by kramer: 10:55am On Mar 17, 2013
Like I said before... Tales by moonlight
PoliticsRe: 'My Oga At The Top': Wife Protests At Channels TV' by kramer: 8:17pm On Mar 16, 2013
Sounds like tales by moonlight to me

Abuse from fellow market women? (As if they have time to watch the video)
Abuse from neighbors? (What sort of neighbors do that in the first place?)
Bullied kids? (Do they know anything even?)

All because of what?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Champions League/Europa League Draws by kramer: 1:33pm On Mar 15, 2013
Bayern Munich v Juventus
Malaga v Borussia Dortmund huh

Paris SG v Barcelona

Real Madrid v Galatasaray

The likely winners are bolded .. The Malaga v Borussia Dortmund seems tough to decide but i would go for Malaga if pushed

However Borussia Dortmund has the advantage of starting away, so if they can make use of it they might have an easy time in the second leg.

my thoughts.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Champions League/Europa League Draws by kramer:
Arsenal to win !! grin grin

Update: Since i am first to comment (thank you Jesus)... you may refer to me as your Oga At The Top cool
Music/RadioRe: Video: Skales & Sarz - My OGA At The TOP [freestyle] [download] by kramer: 11:46am On Mar 15, 2013
lolz
PoliticsRe: United States Government Condemns Jonathan’s Pardon For Corrupt Officials by kramer: 11:33am On Mar 15, 2013
Saw this coming
Science/TechnologyRe: How To Secure & Protect Your Facebook Account From Hackers by kramer: 10:47am On Mar 15, 2013
Or you could just simply delete your facebook account grin
CrimeRe: 5 Internet Fraudsters Arrested In Enugu by kramer: 12:36am On Mar 15, 2013
confusion247: There is nothing wrong or incriminating with those items on red.
Its a good thing you're not a police officer undecided

You should know that all the items put together raise suspicion
CelebritiesRe: Jim Iyke Starts Shooting 'Unscripted' Reality Show (Pictures) by kramer: 3:47pm On Mar 14, 2013
Airforce1: What is Jim Iyke please?
Let me also helep you

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+Jim+Iyke
PoliticsRe: Alamieyeseigha's Pardon: Jonathan Owes Nobody Apology - Okupe by kramer:
And the annoying thing is majority of the people who vote are oblivious of the criminal atrocities these people in power commit and would vote them in again
PoliticsRe: FG Pardons Diya, Yar'adua, Alamieyeseigha & Others by kramer: 11:45pm On Mar 12, 2013
ifihearam: Yes son,am a Patriot
You may be a loyal employee to GEJ but you're certainly not a patriot
Christianity EtcRe: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by kramer: 8:51pm On Mar 10, 2013
Goshen360: @ kramer and alexleo,



Good kweshion, Its in Hebrews 7 vs 18 is where we're told tithe\tithing is disannulled, cancelled and ended. When you read\study scriptures, always ask question what 'commandment' is disannulled in verse 18 therein? If you don't know, then read within the context again from verse 1 and underline any verse(s) where you read the word 'commandment' and what the commandment is SPECIFICALLY for; then re-read and follow through to verse 18 again. Whatever commandment is noted before verse 18 is the commandment that is disannulled in verse 18 and ask y'self if you have 'commandment TO TAKE TITHE' before verse 18. That's the New Testament scriptures that STOPPED\ENDED\CANCELLED\DISANNULLED tithing for Christians.
thank you for your response!!
Nairaland GeneralRe: Nairaland Is 8 Years Old Today by kramer: 1:32am On Mar 10, 2013
Class of 2010 representing cool

[size=3pt]Though I've been lurking around since 2007[/size]
Christianity EtcRe: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by kramer: 12:50pm On Mar 09, 2013
Ubenedictus: and d earlier church u were talking about was protestant??
I believe not, perhaps they were Catholics i dont know (any ideas yourself?) but what is important is that they were Christians and they probably knew better because as the years have passed so has man's manipulation / contamination of the word of God increased.

I was only wondering why tithes were not practised in earlier churches if indeed we were not advised to stop as per the comment below.

alexleo: Nowhere in the New Testament r we advised to stop tithing. You people are just preaching on assumption and am not part of it.
As always I am open to corrections.
FashionRe: Celebrities At Nollywood@20 Presidential Dinner (Pictures) by kramer: 7:36pm On Mar 07, 2013
Its almost always the same people everytime! Not much variety whatsoever
Nairaland GeneralRe: Man Spent £20,000 On Tattoos , Now Struggles To Find A Job by kramer: 11:11am On Mar 07, 2013
These people are so spoilt! Bet he's claiming benefits
Christianity EtcRe: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by kramer:
alexleo: You people have your reasons for being against tithe and as far as am concerned it remains your personal opinion and understanding. You dont have any right to claim that it is God-approved because we too have our own biblical quotes to support our stand. If you dont want to give tithe thats your own business but we will continue to give ours. You believe your stand is right and i believe mine is right. While you claim that tithe preachers Lord it over their members by repeatedly preaching it, you also are trying to Lord people into non-tithing. The issue of tithing is quite controversial and when and issue becomes this controversial i resort to the Holy Spirit for guidance. I refuse to be guided by whatever argument that is going on here and choose to be guided by the Holy Spirit. Jesus never told us to stop tithing. Where he mentioned about tithe he never condemned it. Nowhere in the New Testament r we advised to stop tithing. You people are just preaching on assumption and am not part of it.
Do you then know why the church didn't take tithes? Because from what I understand it wasnt practiced in earlier churches (and am sure they knew better) before the Catholics brought it back centuries later.
EntertainmentRe: VIDEO: Nigerian Students In Gay-styled Dance Battle by kramer: 1:45am On Mar 07, 2013
O boi the guy wearing singlet wit his boxers showing @0:48 is dancing suspiciously undecided lipsrsealed huh
EducationRe: Nigerian Genius Family by kramer: 9:41pm On Mar 05, 2013
Christianity EtcRe: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by kramer: 2:01pm On Mar 04, 2013
Just to add to what i mentioned previously... In 1 Corithians 9, I believe (but please correct me if i'm wrong, i'm here to learn not dictate smiley) that Paul talks about gospel preachers having the right to live off "offerings" (not tithe i believe) given by the recipients of the "Good News". But Note that Paul was more satisfied with preaching the Good News than collecting offerings (If only most preachers were like this). So that i do not quote out of context I have pasted most of the chapter.

1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord?

2 Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

3 This is my defense to those who sit in judgment on me.

4 Don’t we have the right to food and drink?

5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas (Peter)?

6 Or is it only I and Barnabas who lack the right to not work for a living?

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk?

8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing?

9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.

11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?

12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?

14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

15 But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me, for I would rather die than allow anyone to deprive me of this boast.

16 For when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, since I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!

17 If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. --- (This makes me wonder, are most preachers today voluntary preachers who are in it for the reward or are they God sent?)

18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make full use of my rights as a preacher of the gospel.
Christianity EtcRe: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by kramer: 1:57pm On Mar 04, 2013
Candour: God bless you my brother for taking your time to go through the thread and arriving @ your conclusion.

You are not wrong child of God.The levites are no more and even if we have to adopt the law of moses,the equivalent of priests today would be pastors and equivalent of levites would be ushers,choir,sanctuary keepers,secretaries,children teachers,cleaners in the church.Numbers 18:25-26 you quoted tells us the levites and NOT the priests collect the Tithes.The levites only give 10% of the tithes they receive to the priests.

The Mal 3:8-10 tithe collectors and payers quote was actually talking to levites and priests.start reading from Mal 1:6 to get all the story

If only Christians would realise that the Tithing they practice today is a horribly corrupted version of the one Moses gave the children of isreal.

God bless you once again
Thank you for pointing this out.. i wish i had stumbled on this years ago undecided grin
Christianity EtcRe: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by kramer: 12:57pm On Mar 04, 2013
Took me two days to go through the whole thread and I have to say it was worth it.

From my understanding I believe tithes are meant for the Levites, Orphans and Widows as mentioned.

I believe it is wrong for anyone else outside this group to receive tithes. For it is like claiming someone else's inheritance from God

Number 18:25-26 25 The Lord said to Moses, 26 “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering.

Claiming tithes is as unjust as claiming someone else's property. It is not meant for anyone besides the owner!... dont claim what is not yours

Tithes belong to those mentioned by God in the bible.. And it is wrong to twist Levites to mean Pastors so as to claim the inheritance of the Levites.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong... we are all learning here
BusinessRe: You-win Second Stage Application Has Started by kramer: 12:00am On Mar 03, 2013
Is everyone on this thread on weed huh
PoliticsRe: Pictures Of President Jonathan In Coted’ivoire by kramer: 11:09pm On Mar 02, 2013
django1: Learner cheesy....lol
Talk joo
PoliticsRe: Pictures Of President Jonathan In Coted’ivoire by kramer: 11:35am On Mar 02, 2013
bigtt76: Laptop Number please? Thank you.
I don't gerrit undecided huh
CelebritiesRe: 5 Ways To Spot A Hater - Toke Makinwa by kramer: 8:29pm On Mar 01, 2013
Hmm what has being pretentious got to do with hating huh cool
NYSCRe: He Is Getting Frustrated At His PPA - What Can He Do? by kramer: 5:18pm On Feb 26, 2013
Morgan1092: And u can do dis if u re in his shoes? Mtchewww
Why not? what makes it impossible? mtchewwww

Its called naming and shaming
NYSCRe: He Is Getting Frustrated At His PPA - What Can He Do? by kramer: 12:12pm On Feb 26, 2013
hawtpeck: how can he record it stupid olodo do u want he sacked honey dont listen 2 them ok
Look at this overpriced bag of garri... Your mates are getting married and bornin pikin and you're here on NL asking some1 u dono to marry you and calling me monkey? jo park well jare make I see road
NYSCRe: He Is Getting Frustrated At His PPA - What Can He Do? by kramer: 11:59am On Feb 26, 2013
Is there a way you can secretly record all that's happening? If yes then you should do so and threaten to send the footage to the media if he doesn't buckle up.
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Or you could blackmail him so you can hammer big tym!!! Jus don't forget mi sha[/size]

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