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Now you get what we are saying! You CANNOT follow the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family, without following his Ahl al-Bayt (as)! This is because he ordered us to do that.

As for your distortion of the Verse of Purification, please read this detailed article http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=790:The-Verse-of-Purification-A-New-Advanced-Analysis&catid=94:Imam-Ali-bin-Abi-Talib-(as)-Project&Itemid=101. It contains answers to everything you have said.

zubeyr:
@ Kwarashia
Have you ever read Surat AL Ahzab " The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves and His Wives are their Mothers " AL Ahzab 6
can you contradict this verse by denying that Seyida Aisha and Seyida Hafsa   are not among the Wives of the Prophets and are not your Mothers
you will automatically exit the fold of Islam if you say so
How dare can  you  claim that those Two noble Women are not a part of relatives of the Prophet or His Household?
I am not sure how fluent are you in Arabic ? but Ahl Albeyt means( People of the House ) Albeyt in Arabic means House so therefore Aisha and 
Hafsa are both a part of Ahl Albeyt and this verse emphasized that all the Prophet ' s wives are Allah Says Talking to The Prophet wives "And abide 
in your  House and do not display yourselves the display of the former time of ignorance and establish Prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and   His Messenger Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity of sins Ahl Albeyt( People of the Prophet's household ) and to purify you with   
extensive Purification" AL Ahzab 33 so why Allah called them here Ahl Albeyt ? it obvious He Meant the Prophet's wives since He was talking to   them the narrative and the context are obvious

My Muslim Shia Brothers I regard you as Muslims yet innovative Muslims furthermore I warned of two serious issues as far as many shiites concerned cursing the Prophet's companions and wives and invading the Sunni community with Shia doctrine
As many Sunni I believe Shia are producers of many religious innovations (bidah) but are not unbelievers and  the truth has only one face almost  90 % of Muslim are Sunnis this being the case the Shia as minority and oppsition also have the right to voice their beliefs about us

Aa'ishah and Hafsah were wives of the Prophet (pbuh) and are our mothers as a result. But that does not mean that they were automatically righteous or infallible. The wives of Nuh (as) and Lut (as) too were mothers to their followers. Yet, both wives will be in Hellfire!

Allah has condemned both Aa'ishah and Hafsah in the strongest terms possible in these verses:

[al-hilali and khan 66:4] IF you two (wives of the Prophet SAW, namely 'Aishah and Hafsah) turn in repentance to Allâh, (it will be better for you), YOUR HEARTS ARE INDEED SO INCLINED (TO OPPOSE WHAT THE PROPHET SAW LIKES), but if you help one another AGAINST HIM (Muhammad SAW), then verily, Allâh is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers.

The Arabic of the red part is “qad saghat kulubukuma”. Abu al-‘Ala al-Mawdudi explains what it means:

[b]The word saghat in the original is from baghy which means to swerve and to become crooked. Shah Waliyullah and Shah Rafi'uddin have translated this sentence thus:

"Crooked have become your hearts."

'Abdullah bin Mas'ud, 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas, Sufyan Thauri and Dahhak have given this meaning of it:

"Your hearts have swerved from the right path."

Imam Razi explains it thus:

"Your hearts have swerved from what is right, and the right implies the right of the Holy Prophet (upon whom be Allah's peace)."

And 'Allama Alusi's commentary is:

“Although it is incumbent on you that you should approve what the Holy Messenger (upon whom he peace) approves and disapprove what he disapproves, yet in this matter your hearts have swerved from conformity with him AND TURNED IN OPPOSITION TO HIM."
[/b]Mawdudi, Towards Understanding the Qur’an: English Version of Tafhim al-Qur’an, translated and edited by Zafar Ishaq Ansari [The Islamic Foundation, Leicestershire, United Kingdom, 1998], commenatry of Surat al-Tahrim, footnote 7

Will you agree with the Qur'aan or your fabricated Hadeeths?

Lastly, A'aishah and Hafsah do not belong to Banoo Haashim. How can you say they were near relatives of the Prophet (pbuh)?

Do you know what "relatives" mean?

zubeyr:
An other point we as Sunnis  shouldn't dismiss every thing about Shia especially when it comes to the love of Ahl elbeyt ( Family of the Prophet ) The Prophet ask us to love them as a sign of gratitude to him  Allah says "Say (O Mohamed to mankind ) I do not ask of you any reward for it except for Love for my near relatives "Koran 42:23 but to my Shia I hope they understand that this verse include our love also to Seyida Aisha and Seyida Hafsa wives of the Prophet and daughters of the first two caliphs the sad thing is Shia  Scholars  don't hesitate to rant and insult those two great  Noble women which is wrong and  unacceptable  by any standard

Actually, with all due respect bro, the verse does NOT include 'Aa'ishah and Hafsah. The verse specifically mentions "the near RELATIVES". Neither of the two women was even part of Banoo Haashim, much less being the near relatives of the Prophet (pbuh).

You can read more about that verse here http://www.wilayat.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=595:ayah-al-muwaddah-a-new-analysis&catid=39:quran.

Fi amanillah.

Somebody deleted my post. Why please?

The basis of Shee'ism is in these Hadeeths:

Imaam Muslim records in his Saheeh 4/1873 (Daar al-Fikr, Baab Fadaail ‘Alee bin Abee Taalib) that Zaid bin Arqam (رضي الله عنه) said:

قام رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوماً فينا خطيباً بماءٍ يدعى خمّاً بين مكة والمدينة فحمد الله وأثنى عليه، ووعظ وذكر. ثم قال: أما بعد، ألا أيها الناس فإنّما أنا بشر يوشك أنْ يأتي رسول ربي فأجيب، وأنا تارك فيكم ثقلين: أولهما كتاب الله فيه الهدى والنور، فخذوا بكتاب الله واستمسكوا به» فحثّ على كتاب الله ورغّب فيه، ثم قال: وأهل بيتي، أذكركم الله في أهل بيتي، أذكركم الله في أهل بيتي، أذكركم الله في أهل بيتي

One day Allaah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as (Ghadeer) Khumm situated between Makkah and Madeenah. He praised Allaah, and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allaah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am forever leaving among you Two Weighty Things: one of them both is the Book of Allaah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allaah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allaah and then said: The second are my Ahl al-Bait. I remind you, by Allaah, of my Ahl al-Bait. I remind you, by Allaah, of my Ahl al-Bait. I remind you, by Allaah, of my Ahl al-Bait.

There is no doubt about the authenticity of this report, and its message is very clear.

Shaikh Muhammad Naasir ad-Deen al-Albaanee also records this Hadeeth in his Saheeh Sunan at-Tirmidhee, Volume 3, page 543, Number 3788 (Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: Maktabah al-Ma’arif; first edition, 1420 H):

حدثنا علي بن المنذر كوفي ، حدثنا محمد بن فضيل ، حدثنا الأعمش عن عطية عن أبي سعيد ، والأعمش عن حبيب بن أبي ثابت ، عن زيد بن أرقم – رضي الله عنهما – قالا : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : إني تارك فيكم ما إن تمسكتم به لن تضلوا بعدي ؛ أحدهما عظم من الآخر : كتاب الله حبل ممدود من السماء إلى الأرض وعترتي أهل بيتي ، ولن يفترقا حتى يردا علي الحوض ، فانظروا كيف تخلفوني فيهما

Narrated Aboo Sa’eed (al-Khudree) and Zaid bin Arqam, may Allaah be pleased with them both:

Allaah’s Apostle, peace be upon him, said:

“I am forever leaving among you that which if you adhere to you will never go astray after my death. One of them both is greater than the other: they are the Book of Allaah, a rope stretching from the heaven to the earth, and my nearest kin, my Ahl al-Bait. Both (the Qur’aan and the Ahl al-Bait) shall never separate from each other until they meet me at the Lake-Font. Therefore, watch carefully how you treat them both after my death.”

[/b]Commenting upon its authenticity, Shaikh al-Albaanee says: صحيح <<Saheeh>>

The contemporary Sunnee hadithist, al-‘Allaamah Hasan bin ‘Alee as-Saqqaaf in his Saheeh Sifat as-Salaat an-Nabeey, page 29 (Imaam an-Nawaawee Centre, Jordan), has documented the same hadith. As regards its authenticity, he states:

وهو صحيح

[b]And it is saheeh

Shaikh al-Albaanee again records in his Saheeh al-Jaami’ as-Sagheer, Volume 1, p. 482 (Al-Maktab al-Islaamee) that Zaid bin Thaabit (رضي الله عنه) said:

قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: إني تارك فيكم خليفتين: كتاب الله حبل ممدود ما بين السماء والأرض أو ما بين السماء إلى الأرض وعترتي أهل بيتي وأنهما لن يفترقا حتى يردا عليّ الحوض

Allaah’s Apostle, peace be upon him, said: I am forever leaving among you TWO SUCCESSORS: the Book of Allaah, which is a rope stretching between the heavens and the earth, and my nearest kin, my Ahl al-Bait. The two of them will never separate till they meet me at the Lake-Font.”

Commenting upon its authenticity, Shaikh al-Albaanee says: صحيح <<Saheeh>>

Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer records in his al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihaayah, Volume 5, p. 228 (Muasassat at-Taareekh al-‘Arabee) that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said at Ghadeer Khumm:

كأني قد دعيت فأجبت إني قد تركت فيكم الثقلين أحدهما أكبر من الآخر كتاب الله وعترتي أهل بيتي فانظروا كيف تخلفوني فيهما فإنهما لن يتفرقا حتى يردا عليّ الحوض، ثم قال: إن الله مولاي وأنا ولي كل مؤمن ثم أخذ بيد علي فقال: من كنت وليّه فهذا وليّه، اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه

It seems I have been called (to the presence of Allaah) and I have accepted the invitation. I have left behind among you the Two Weighty Things. One of them is greater than the other: the Book of Allaah and my nearest kin, my Ahl al-Bait. Watch carefully how you treat them both after my death because both will never separate until they meet me at the Lake-Font. Allaah is my Master, and I am the master of all believers. (Then he held the hand of ‘Alee and said) Whomsoever I am his master, this (‘Alee) too is his master. O Allaah, love those who love him and hate those who hate him.

Commenting upon its authenticity, al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer says:

قال شيخنا أبوعبد الله الذهبي وهذا حديث صحيح

Our Shaikh, Aboo ‘Abdullaah adh-Dhahabee said: This Hadeeth is saheeh.

Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer again in his Tafseer, Volume 4, page 122 (Beirut, Lebanon: Daar al-Fikr, 1401 H) states:

وقد ثبت في الصحيح أن رسول الله قال في خطبته بغدير خم إني تارك فيكم الثقلين ، كتاب الله وعترتي وأنهما لن يفترقا حتى يردا عليّ الحوض

It has been firmly established in the Saheeh (Hadeeth) that Allaah’s Apostle said in his sermon at Ghadeer Khumm: “I am forever leaving among you the Two Weighty Things: the Book of Allaah and my nearest kin. Both shall never separate until they meet me at the Lake-Font.”

Shaikh al-Albaanee again in his in his Saheeh Sunan at-Tirmidhee, Volume 3, page 542, Number 3787 (Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: Maktabah al-Ma’arif; first edition, 1420 H):

حدثنا نصر بن عبد الرحمن الكوفي حدثنا زيد بن الحسن – الأنماطي –عن جعفر بن محمد ، عن أبيه ، عن جابر بن عبد الله قال : رأيت رسول الله في حجته يوم عرفة وهو على ناقته القصواء يخطب ، فسمعته يقول : يا أيها الناس إني قد تركت فيكم ما إن أخذتم به لن تضلوا كتاب الله وعترتي أهل بيتي

Narrated Jabir ibn ‘Abdullah al-Ansaree, may Allaah be pleased with him:

"I saw the Messenger of Allaah, peace be upon him, during his hajj pilgrimage on the day of `Arafah. He was seated on his camel, al¬-Qaswa, and was delivering a sermon. I heard him say: 'O mankind, verily, I have left among you that which if you hold fast to you shall never go astray: the Book of Allaah and my nearest kin, my Ahl al-Bait."

Commenting upon its authenticity, Shaikh al-Albaanee says: صحيح <<Saheeh>>

This last Hadeeth reveals to us that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) repeated Hadeeth ath-Thaqalain on many occasions. It was part of his Farewell Sermon at Arafah, long before Ghadeer Khumm. However, when you see texts of the Prophet’s (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) Farewell Sermon today, the above part has been expunged!

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaanee in his al-Mataalib al-‘Aaliyah bi Zawaa-id al-Masaaneed ath-Thamaaniyyah, Volume 4, page 65, Number 3972 (Saudi Arabia: Daar al-Ghaith, first edition, 1419 H, edited by Dr. Sa’d bin Naasir bin ‘Abd al-’Azeez ash-Shatree) records as well:

إن النبي حضرالشجرة بخم ، ثم خرج آخذاً بيد علي فقال: ألستم تشهدون أن الله ربكم ؟ قالوا : بلى ، قال فمن كان الله ورسوله مولاه فإن هذا مولاه ، وقد تركت فيكم ما إن أخذتم به لن تضلوا كتاب الله سببه بيده وسببه بأيديكم وأهل بيتي

The Prophet was in the presence of a tree at (Ghadeer) Khumm. Then he came out (to the people), holding ‘Alee’s hand, and saying: “Do you not testify that Allaah is your Rabb?” The people said, “We do.” Then the Prophet said, “Whomsoever Allaah and His Messenger are his Master, this (‘Alee) too is his master. And I have left among you that which if you hold fast to you will never go astray: the Book of Allaah, one end of which is in His Hand and the other end in yours, and my Ahl al-Bait.

Commenting upon its authenticity, al-Haafiz al-Asqalaanee says:

وهذا إسناد صحيح

And this chain is saheeh

Shaikh Abu al-‘Abbaas Ahmad bin Muhammad bin ‘Alee ibn Hajar al-Haitamee, the supreme Shaafi’i jurist and Hadithist during his time, states in his as-Sawaa-‘iq al-Muhriqah, Volume 2, page 428 (Lebanon: Muasassat ar-Risaalah, first edition, 1417 H, edited by ‘Abdur-Rahmaan bin ‘Abdullaah at-Turkee and Kaamil Muhammad al-Khuraat):

وفي رواية صحيحة : إني تارك فيكم أمرين لن تضلوا إن اتبعتموهما ، وهما كتاب الله وأهل بيتي عترتي

And in the Saheeh report (the Prophet is reported to have said): I am forever leaving among you Two Commands. You will never go astray if you follow them both. Both are the Book of Allaah and my Ahl al-Bait.

In the same book, Volume 2, page 440, al-Haitamee states about the Hadeeth:

ثم اعلم أن لحديث التمسك بذلك طرقاً كثيرة وردت عن نيف وعشرين صحابياً

Then know that the Hadeeth of Adherence (to the Qur’aan and the Ahl al-Bait) has come through a large number of chains, and has been narrated by more than twenty of the Sahaabah.

Thus, the Hadeeth is both saheeh and mutawaatir. It is an absolute Hujjah upon the whole Ummah.