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Kobojunkie:
Oh, He didn't leave. He left for you the very SPirit that lived inside of Him while He was here on earth to lead you/Guide /Comfort/Counsel/Teach/Help you in All things.

You just contradicted yourself with first two sentences. Jesus is not earth.


The Spirit of God is set to act on behalf of Jesus Christ. So, even though you saw His body go, His SPirit is still here living in the bodies of all those who are His followers, those who obey his commandments.[/quote]Again, you just said He left. We are talking about jesus' wereabout not the HolySpirit.

It's ok. I don't need to know what leadership means according to you but I do know that Jesus Christ commanded His followers never to set themselves up as leaders/authorities of any kind as far as His kingdom/flock is concerned.[/quote]Jesus by himself choose 12 disciples for Himself and called them Apostles (the highest leadership position In the body of Christ eph 4:11). Your claims is wrong, Jesus cannot be wrong.


I know your MOGs relish the power they command in this, even though in blatant disobedience to the very commandment that Jesus Christ has set for us all.[/quote].

Dr Sign Fireman called to be an Apostle, like Peter, paul and the rest in the bible. There is no disobedience in answering a call, rather it's obedience.

Kobojunkie:
I believe what Jesus Christ said for He is the one and only Truth of God says... The very word out of God's own mouth

Jesus did not write any book, you are quoting from the one someone wrote about Jesus.
It means you don't need the Bible.

Kobojunkie:
As for the way God uses to reach His people? He has His ways. Just as He used the unbeliever, Cyrus the great, to free Israel from captivity and restore the glory of Jerusalem in the days of old, He still uses that which stands contrary to Him to bring about His Will.
I don't have a teaching
Jesus Christ did not come to change anything about the old Covenant, remember? He came instead offering a New Covenant - complete with it's own Yoke and burden, only better than the Old Covenant. Jesus Christ preached His new Covenant to the Pharisees and the scribes.. Yes, everything He did with them, it was not to change the Old, but as part of establishing the rules/commandments of the New Covenant. He went into the temple, and the synagogue to preach His New covenant to the old guard as well - He was not there to change anything of the Old Covenant, His mission from the beginning was to teach the New Covenant. So, yes, even that which He spoke to the Pharisees about, all of it, applies to the New Covenant and not the old Covenant.

Now about the suggestion that Jesus Christ was speaking there of mere titles, I will say He was not simply on about the title there - It is about the role. Obviously, since he was speaking to the old MOGs, He was teaching as regards discipleship and the sort - and not terms of endearment we use for biological fathers and that lot. The Pharisees, and the Sadducees were known to have students and followers who referred to them as fathers, teachers, rabbis, etc. Jesus Christ established that none of that is part of His new Covenant, affirming God's word that He and He alone will be our Teacher, Father, Counselor etc.

Read my last post on this matter, you have not clarified your stance on learning from another human vessel, also on why Elisha called Elijah father, why you called your fatger father and your teacher teacher. I need clear answers please.


I took my time to give scriptures so I dont speak from my opinion but scriptural truths.
Please, respect the conversation and give scriptures not your opinion.

Kobojunkie:
Ephesians contains the words and opinions of Paul. You should search the gospels to find what Jesus Christ Himself said of these things. Heck, even John the apostle stated that the only Teacher we need is the Spirit of God, in direct contradiction to what you posted there, it may seem. That ought to cue you into whose word you should believe, shouldn't it?


There are no MOGs in the Body of Christ! Those who are followers of Jesus Christ serve God, not the body of Christ. They live in obedience to the commandments of Jesus Christ. That is our only job.. to obey Jesus Christ in all things.

If you say a book in the Bible you read is opinion of the writer, then your statement disqualifies every other book in the Bible as a credible source of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and all the scriptures you have quoted are false because they were opinion of the writers also. This is because Jesus did not write any book by Himself.

As for Paul,
Gal 1:11-12 KJV 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.




Deu 33:1 refers to Moses as "man of God"

1timothy 6:11 refers to Timothy as "man of God"

2pet 1:21 buttressed the classification well as " men of God"

Eph 4:11 we all are followers of Jesus Christ, but
the same scripture listed the classification seperately In the body of for a purpose. Infact, the first on the list, Apostles, was the same used for the 12 disciples amongst other disciple of Jesus.


Finally, what you know in the now, you learnt. From God through man. You were not born with any. Don't believe the opinion of Jeremiah and leave that of Paul. Jeremiah did not see Jesus I'm person and yet you quote him

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=92785867]Ephesians contains the words and opinions of Paul. You should search the gospels to find what Jesus Christ Himself said of these things. Heck, even John the apostle stated that the only Teacher we need is the Spirit of God, in direct contradiction to what you posted there, it may seem. That ought to cue you into whose word you should believe, shouldn't it?


There are no MOGs in the Body of Christ! Those who are followers of Jesus Christ serve God, not the body of Christ. They live in obedience to the commandments of Jesus Christ. That is our only job.. to obey Jesus Christ in all things. [/quote



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Kobojunkie:
Ok, now I see what Paul says in his letter.Kindly show where the word of God Himself backs up that claim I can show you where the word of God refutes the claim made there by Paul.
According to God, He Himself will be our only Teacher.

Jesus Christ, He alone is our Teacher.

According to your teaching with Jeremiah 31:31-34; you mean..

1. In the new convenant God has written all His law in our heart, we know them without quoting the bible, or no need for the Bible because the law is our heart already? I'm sure you still quote.

2. you mean that since you were born no human has except God himself has taught you about God Himself, you need to tell us when you had this encounter.

According to your teaching with Matt 23.

1. Read the whole chapter and understand who Jesus was speaking to.

2. This tells me you are good with scriptures, verse 2-7 tells us who Jesus was speaking to.

3. He was speaking to the scribes, He gave a clear description of how they behaved, He said they should not be called father, teachers or any thing that exalts them.

4. You have a father, you call Him father. If that scripture mean what you think, you have sin then.

5. You went through school and called humans teacher, you have also sin by disobeying the word of God..

6. Elisha God Elijah father 2kings 2;12 and God still answered him.


Your said Jesus is the only teacher. It's wrong, the HolySpirit is a teacher also ( John 14:12, Luke 12;12)

Kobojunkie:
God already told you that in the New Covenant, He himself will lead His people.... He alone will be the Teacher. He eliminated the need for MOGs/Teachers/Prophets and appointed Himself the Leader/Teacher/Guide/Counselor/Comforter/Helper.... for all His followers. That is one of the key reasons the New Covenant is different from the old and a departure of sorts.

The new convenant started when He left earth.

If He was gonna lead by himself, why did he leave the earth, why the need for Apostles(Mene) and the rest?

It's clear you don't understand what Leadership means.

Every leader, wheather in heaven or on earth has people working under them.

The heaven is called a kingdom ( rulership, Government in many other context).

The church is called body of Christ. A body has many parts 1cor 12.

Jesus appointed MoG in that body also. eph 4;11

Kobojunkie:
I suggest you do a back-track to find them .

I'm done, you have no respect for healthy conversations. You are highly unprofessional in any sense, I perceive.

You don't deserve knowledge.

Just stay low.

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=92784676]Where does Jesus Christ say that I need to "benefit" from an MOG?

Eph 4:10-12 KJV 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Read, and tell me if that answers your question?

If the Men of God were not beneficial to the body of Christ why appoint them?

They have a Job that should should profit the body of Christ.

Kobojunkie:
What has all this gobble-de-gook to do with the simple questions posed so far? Are you sure your lack of understanding is not due to lack of basic language comprehension skills there?

What is the simple questions?

Kobojunkie:
You tell me, since you are the one trying to justify the claim made by the other there.

I'm asking you because you think I'm not sure of what of I'm saying, I'm asking you to clarify and now you asking me to tell you?

Come on!

What do you want to understand, I'm asking you again?

Kobojunkie:
Why do you say that I am poor? Is that what your MOG there has taught you to do? to lie pretending you can do so in God's name?

Lack of understanding is poverty in wisdom!

You need to understand, that the wisdom of God is a mystery.

Mysteries are given to the humble, you can't receive this way.

Kobojunkie:
Oh! Are you suggesting that the Spirit of God will make up a truth concerning that which is outside of Jesus Christ's own teaching then?

Let me even understand you well self, what truth is the HolySpirit making that is outside what Jesus taught?

Kobojunkie:
Understand what Jesus Christ didn't teach or command His followers?

Ask, you will be taught, no one learns with your kind of gra gra.

Kobojunkie:
Understand what Jesus Christ didn't teach or command His followers?

Or what you didn't read?

Kobojunkie:
The growth and prosperity of the body of Christ? Who sent him on that errand? Where did Jesus Christ command His followers to do any such?
I have seen so many MOGs do that. Yes, even the people of the world do that a lot these days. Go online and do a quick google to find out for yourself.
Oh, I see! Is that how you measure "love"? So those who Jesus Christ did not get around to feeding, clothing, sponsoring etc. should by your standards there feel very unloved by Him?
By the way, what about you, you are telling me about this man....but we are not called to worship our fellow men or follow after them, but after Jesus Christ. So I have to ask, what about you? When do you plan to follow after Jesus Christ instead of following after MOGs?
Ministry of the Holy Spirit? What is that? How can it be straight from the throne of God the Father when it seems to have been diluted with something that only your MOG knows us but Jesus Christ never taught?

1Co 2:14 KJV But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I know all she's saying makes no sense to you. The above scripture is saying the same HolySpirit can help you understand.
He is the Greatest Teacher, ask Him, I'm sure He is speaking to you right now. Check well.

donnie:
You think your witchcraft will work here? NONSENSE. Idolaters.

Okay, I offered love or slap. You chose slap.

you have made your choice.

I still love you. ultimately, Jesus still loves you and don't feel shy to seek him for healing.

donnie:
Check my threads/ topics, I don't have that time.

Especially in an environment of pastor worship. I nor dey there.

Lol, your thread. I won't bother, I have a clear idea of what you preach to people after reading you comments.
Take time an read your comments again, and see your position in the whole matter. It's an anti-christ position.


Joh 10:11 KJV I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
You I right, I worship Jesus, the Good Shepherd (which means pastor).

donnie:
Will shut up there... Idolaters

Bros sorry, don't insult me please. God slaps people that insults me.

I forgive you, because of the love of God In me.

But If you mistakenly insult me again, you shall receive 3 hot slaps.

I don't want it for you, but if you eventually do, don't let shame stop you, please look for Dr Sign Fireman, he a father he will always forgive like Jesus told him to and he will pray healing to you.

I love you.

donnie:
Look at this one... You think I will follow you in foolish talk? Walk along the streets, visit the churches. The Jesus films you show people nko?
In short, just ask a little boy or girl around you what color Jesus is and you'll get the answer you pretend not to see.

White Christmas, Santa, Jesus, angels and many other abominations. Even your Pastor, i dare say, agrees with a white ISRAEL and white Jesus. He cannot preach otherwise. He has to agree with mother BABYLON.

It's okay to refute claims, that's fine. It means you hold the truth, we will like to know the truth.
Have you seen Jesus, please tell what color is He?

donnie:
I don't know the Man and I'm not interested. I only responded to the assertion that because many people attended a meeting they can't all be decieved.

And I repeat, they very well can be deceived. Afterall, most of Christianity has been deceived to worship the white man as god and to follow the BEAST system. And yes, miracles NOTWITHSTANDING.

Your are not worth having an argument with, you don't scriptures to prove with.

I'll just conclude that you have been deceived.

If you have the word of God in you, you should not speak this way. Especially, when you have never heard the MoG preach or teach.

By thier fruit we should know deceivers right, what fruit have you noticed? Won't you come around to find what's fruit the ministry produce?

Please, you need a new spiritual mentor, you speak shame and you should work on it.

Dr Sign Fireman can help. I bet you, the day you hear him speak you shall regret these comments of yours.

I'll see you in front.
Pleasure

donnie:
Even the fakes that use juju also "give glory to God" na. If ashawo and armed robbers go to church to pray for blessings and even pay tithes, na pastor nor go call Jesus name?

Only YAH can tell weda He received the glory.

So ashawo and armed robbers no dey your church abi, all of you are angels that's why you can call a human ashawo.

How do you know yah is reviewing your praise and God has not receive ours, or is that your calling, to find out which praise God is receiving and which ones are not being received.

If you call miracles juju, and e dey help people, you that is not doing juju how many have you perform, abi God no tell you perform miracles?

Let me just concluded for you, your village Juju really work on you.

Kobojunkie:
Peter, the apostle, warned people about ALL MOGs & WOGs (False Prophets and Teachers), from about 2000 years ago.

What peter said is indeed what we see happening here and now. Because of the AntiChrists also called MOGs, the world does not view Jesus Christ in a good light at all. You simply mention that you believe in the God of the Bible, and almost immediately you see the detest in their looks... nothing to do with persecution at all. No, they have become wary of those who claim to be Christians. The world is tired of the lies and deceit of MOGs - the hypocrisy that is claimed and justified in the name of God.

These MOGs are the Antichrists as they have set themselves up as Masters over Jesus Christ's flock, pretending to be Teachers in His place.

Their doctrines and traditions are twisted representations of the teachings of Jesus Christ, and in many cases many are deceived and led away from the Truth of Jesus Christ as a result.

They sit themselves in the place of God in the minds of His own sheep and they steal, kill and destroy, for their own pleasure and kingdoms, that which God has planned for those who are His. And they do all of this in the name of God.
MOGs are the false prophets that Jesus Christ warned His followers to beware of. These are the antichrists that the apostles spoke of even during their days.

Joh 14:12 KJV Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Read the above scripture very well before you answer my questions.

1. Who are the originals?
2. What qualifies one to be a False man of God. What are your measuring parameters?
3. Do you believe in miracles at all like Jesus said in that scripture above?
4. Which native Doctor dey worry, that you can call a MOG false, is that what you bible taught you to do?
5. Did you call the MOG or Did God send you to call them, why be the judge of who you didn't call?

donnie:
Miracles notwithstanding, we are not moved. Aren't millions in Christianity deceived by a white Jesus? So it's possible.

Since you choose spirit of stagnation, let it remain so for you.

Let others move, please.

Except you want to be used by demons to be a hindrance like it's happening now. Just so you know, deliverance works sharply in Dr Sign Fireman's ministry, in fact in seconds not days..

We can use you to learn work.

Choose your words wise brother.

jaephoenix:
How much does Fireman pay you? I can pay you double to get a better job

Lol, your mumu don do abeg.

You never start any company since they born you, and you want pay somebody.

You must be a cave man to think in this direction.

For example, you are working us for free right now, I thank you so much..

Please, reply this comment, if your next comment can do better I'll praise you..but this your last one na falling hand I swear. E just be like a say na toddler I dey chat with.

gsegun43:
See their monikers and time of registration on nairaland


ChidiOkwudili - aug 10, 2020
Dominicsf - aug 10, 2020
Leader92 - aug 10, 2020
propser007 - aug 10, 2020
ChildofGodSOF - aug 12, 2020
gabrielbolt - aug 12, 2020
Dickson291 - aug 12, 2020


And all (100% of) their posts is on the same man, as at the time am writing this.


BE THE JUDGE.

Guy you have time oh, and you know maths also.

Just tell us you want to join us and post, I know you like the Job, shame no go let you talk .

Please feel free, you are always welcome to join the move.

Please, If you get mind, reply this comment..me I like fight the way David for bible like fight and I won fight as I dey now. Let's do the fighting here right now.

Pleasure.

propser007:
Anti-christ , oleeee. The way I see you eh your father is an ogboni priest and that's the reason you hate Dr. Fireman

In Dr Sign Fireman Ministry, A new born baby is greater than his great grand ogboni priest.

Sheunma:
Allahu Akbar

Shout it louder! Even allah knows God is using Dr Sign Fireman greatly..

May your allah bless you.

May my God and my Jesus and my Holy Ghost bless me.

shammer:
I know it all marketing strategy....

Thanks for joining in the marketing, God wi reward you in a different way

Dickson291:
We really appreciate you for noticing our effort in promoting our Father's work , I'm actually assuming you are jobless now ,so please mix beans ,rice and ,garri then start selecting ,

This painment sweet

Dominicsf:
I love Dr. Sign Fireman's ministry. Thank you so much! I'm so exited now churche activities back fully. I can't wait to be in your next crusade and hear the word of God and see the healings.

It's like a new year to me.

ChidiOkwudili:
Healings in quantum!

Sure