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Luxuryinfinity2:
Don't mind Kobojunkie!
Does he mean that "Koboko" is needed by "Junkie"! Or does he mean that "Junkie" doesn't have "Kobo"? Or does he mean that being a "Junkie" has made him not to have one "Kobo"?

Both meanings are true, he proven them on this thread.

Last name: Kobo
First name: junkie
Middle name: Ewu-oyibo

Luxuryinfinity2:
Don't mind Kobojunkie!
Does he mean that "Koboko" is needed by "Junkie"! Or does he mean that "Junkie" doesn't have "Kobo"? Or does he mean that being a "Junkie" has make him not to have one "Kobo"?

Kobojunkie:
Peter, the apostle, warned people about ALL MOGs (False Prophets and Teachers), from about 2000 years ago.

What peter said is indeed what we see happening here and now. Because of the AntiChrists also called MOGs, the world does not view Jesus Christ in a good light at all. You simply mention that you believe in the God of the Bible, and almost immediately you see the detest in their looks... nothing to do with persecution at all. No, they have become wary of those who claim to be Christians. The world is tired of the lies and deceit of MOGs - the hypocrisy that is claimed and justified in the name of God.

These MOGs are the Antichrists as they have set themselves up as Masters over Jesus Christ's flock, pretending to be Teachers in His place.

Their doctrines and traditions are twisted representations of the teachings of Jesus Christ, and in many cases many are deceived and led away from the Truth of Jesus Christ as a result.

They sit themselves in the place of God in the minds of His own sheep and they steal, kill and destroy, for their own pleasure and kingdoms, that which God has planned for those who are His. And they do all of this in the name of God.
MOGs are the false prophets that Jesus Christ warned His followers to beware of. These are the antichrists that the apostles spoke of even during their days.

Dr Fireman healed a woman of 14 years of barrenness and he his fake.

Peter healed a man lame from birth, that means his fakeness is top notch.

Agreed?

Kobojunkie:
Peter, the apostle, warned people about ALL MOGs (False Prophets and Teachers), from about 2000 years ago.

What peter said is indeed what we see happening here and now. Because of the AntiChrists also called MOGs, the world does not view Jesus Christ in a good light at all. You simply mention that you believe in the God of the Bible, and almost immediately you see the detest in their looks... nothing to do with persecution at all. No, they have become wary of those who claim to be Christians. The world is tired of the lies and deceit of MOGs - the hypocrisy that is claimed and justified in the name of God.

These MOGs are the Antichrists as they have set themselves up as Masters over Jesus Christ's flock, pretending to be Teachers in His place.

Their doctrines and traditions are twisted representations of the teachings of Jesus Christ, and in many cases many are deceived and led away from the Truth of Jesus Christ as a result.

They sit themselves in the place of God in the minds of His own sheep and they steal, kill and destroy, for their own pleasure and kingdoms, that which God has planned for those who are His. And they do all of this in the name of God.
MOGs are the false prophets that Jesus Christ warned His followers to beware of. These are the antichrists that the apostles spoke of even during their days.

My Friend, you are here again Lol.

Brachaa:
What exactly do you mean/ understand by the word confession? So all he's been saying about Jesus and being a true follower and obeyer of Jesus' commands are not confessing Jesus as Lord enough?

Look whether he declares it verbatim according to you or says it indirectly, its still same and one thing.

You guys should come to terms with your terminology or the forms of expressions you use here cos that seems to be the only issue there is in all this.

He is also your brother too. Stop the segregation if truly you're a child of God.

Shalom.

Excuse me, read carefully.

He made a confession, and said " I did not give my life to Jesus".

He also confessed " he went directly to the Father without the Jesus" when the Bible said no one can come to the Father without Him.

If that does not mean denial in simple sense, then you are also caught up his misunderstanding and poor language usage.

Can't you see the "Not" in that scripture.

Are you calling black, white?

Brachaa:
Leader92


You can't follow Christ without acception Him, that will walking in deceit. Roman 9:10

There are many in church like that, until one day the listen to powerful sermon on salvation, they they talk the bold step.

To save you stress just ask these simple questions.

* If he has given his life to Christ.
*
i didn't want to do this which I ought to have done in my previous response to you about his accepting Christ because i dont want to appear as his mouth piece but now you leave me with no choice but to say it.

Now when someone says he's a follower of somebody, what does that tell you? He simply believes in that person to follow him. Or can you follow a course you dont believe in? And if following is a result of believing, then it means you have accepted it. So its all same and one thing. Unless you are saying what you understand by coming through Christ " is until the person looks for Christ an walks through his stomach to God before you can believe he has accepted Christ. cos I dont see how being a follower doesn't sum up to haven come through Christ until it's is done literaly.

Once someone believes in Christ and goes by His teachings and commandmemts, he has accepted Christ. Let's leave it at that. Except you have other ways of accepting Christ, Sir.

* If we are born of the Spirit and that qualifies us as spiritual beings.





Why beg him to answer me when I'm not the one tackling him? I won't.

Thanks.

Shalom.

I can't help you understand the mystery of you want.

Rom 10:9-10 KJV 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The above scripture says salvation plus followers hip is by confessing and believing. Not just believing.

Your brother (kobojunkie) believes but didn't confess it. Instead he confessed that he didn't give his life to Christ.

No you can see that his belief and followership doesn't match his confession, which is the scriptural requirement for salvation.

Infact the confession part is very important, verse 10 says, confession is what is made unto salvation.

Jesus Christ is wiser than how you think of Him. He knows many will pretend with belief because it's a mind thing. But when you confess people wi here and know as witneses.

Your brother rejected Jesus by saying he didn't give his life to Jesus, do you think he saved that way after reading that's scripture?

You see why I ask you to tell him, to confess it first, before we start talking about the mystery of Christ.

Brachaa:
I dont like to argue the word of God.

To each his own abeg!

People leave perspectives from arguments also.

If he preaches does claim then he will be false teacher like the Bible told us. That's danger for him.

As believers, we instructed to rebuke sharply false teachings, it's spread faster than viruses.

Tit 1:10-14 KJV 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Brachaa:
I wonder where you read he has not accepted Christ. He said "then".. Besides how can you say he has not received Christ when he says continually that he is a follower of Christ. Or you don't see that part?

Well I'm not here to argue for or against him. Only trying to say some things he says are Bible based and true.

I also think the use of certain English words here might be the cause of the confusion and misunderstanding of each other.

Again, I'm not here to defend or support anyone, please. I'm still learning but at the same time don't want to be caught in this confusion flying here and there.

Shalom.

You can't follow Christ without acception Him, that will walking in deceit. Roman 9:10

There are many in church like that, until one day the listen to powerful sermon on salvation, they they talk the bold step.

To save you stress just ask these simple questions.

* If he has given his life to Christ.
* If he went to God directly without Christ.
* If Christ is God
* If we are born of the Spirit and that qualifies us as spiritual beings.

Beg him to answer you in yes or no first before messing around. That's way you can simply see his stand stand point.

Thanks

Brachaa:
Lol, the guy think say He don't get all the revelation in Bible.

He plain in speech and with alot of contradictory statements.



I think he does but you dont seem to understand him.
Now you asked him about the Holy spirit being a teacher and he asked you a very key question there which lies your answer.
Go back and read it.



This won't be necessary because he has already done that. You prolly dont understand him.

Maybe you understand him, when he said he is not a descendant of Jacob. Right?

Maybe you understand him when he said Jesus said we should not call anyone father (but he has call is biological father "father", Elisha did same to Elijah), or teacher ( because he went true teachers both in formal and religious education).

Maybe you understand him when he said he doesn't believe Paul's report, but believes Matthew's report.

He can't teach anything about the HolySpirit because he doesn't have Him yet.

Go back to his comments and read for yourself.

* He said by Himself, that he didn't accept Christ.
* He said he went to the Father without Christ.
* He said no need for MOG in the body of Christ, which eph 4;11 refutes his claim.
* He quoted Jeremiah 31, that man need not any man to be taught by another man, therefore God will do teach by Himself. I want to ask you, has God use any man to teach you before? yes, because you were not born with the knowledge you have today.



Tell me, are the above claims scripturally correct?

Kobojunkie:
All you have done is twist scripture over and over to try to make it fit your doctrine though! Even where Jesus Christ commands that there be no other teacher.. you have made so many attempts at refuting his claim, to the point that you even suggest that Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God are different teachers in the lives of those who are followers of Jesus Christ.

I posted Jesus Christ's own words commanding that in order to become His followers, you indeed have to do as He says, but again, you are against the words of Jesus Christ whom you claim to believe. You resort to trying to insert lies where you can to diminish my person as if doing so will remove the need for you to obey what I have shown you that Jesus Christ taught His followers to do. Do you not see? You are against Jesus Christ, not for Him. You don't really care what He says or commands... cause to you, you have to refute Him in order to survive as you are -- so you can continue living the lie that is you. Wake up! This is what He warned again.

Jesus commanded there be only one teacher, who taught you what you know?

You didn't post what Jesus wrote by Himself, you posted what Mathew wrote and claimed Jesus said. That's a report, not from the Jesus' mouth Himself. Paul did same, he had and encounter with Jesus on his way to Damascus and you discredit him.

I believe every part of the Bible, I don't select. I believe Jesus, the reports about Him. The bible calls it testament..a testator report one that has pass on. Paul is one, Matthew is another.

Selective Amnesia.

Brachaa:
Lol... Hm...

Can't stop laughing here biko.

Una do don start this early morning again. Mm!

Lol, the guy think say He don't get all the revelation in Bible.

He plain in speech and with alot of contradictory statements.

He doesn't answer questions in it context.

Help tell him to accept Jesus �, that's the most important thing.

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! What I confirmed was that you tried to quote Scripture out of Context there.... Scroll back to read my entry for yourself.
Rule #1 about reading any book out there, even your Bible, Context is king!
So how can telling you never to take a verse out of context constitute confirming your absurd claim about scripture having mates?

I see your are not skill with the scriptures and you want to teach rules.

* The context didn't even start from verse 34, you don't know that for sure.

* The verses in chapters 34 are prophetic. They speak of things to happen in future.

* Verse, the said say all this thing that shall happen are written already, they have mates both in the old testament books and the new testament books but only the Spirit of God can help the reader gather them for understanding.


So how is it out of context?


False teacher.

Kobojunkie:
Not OK! Why did you try to inject that lie into the conversation? You have severally accused me of lying and contradicting myself but have not been able to prove even once that your claims hold true. Now you resort to injecting falsehoods as if by me into the discussion, why?

Let me start with NOT OkAY.

Please answer the question, from whose linage are you?

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! What I confirmed was that you tried to quote Scripture out of Context there.... Scroll back to read my entry for yourself.

I post scriptures to you so I don't speak my opinion to you, and you call it lies..can't you see you are a child of the father of all lies, satan.

The scriptures are true. You are the lier.

Kobojunkie:
No one can become a follower of Jesus Christ simply by wishing for it. Jesus required that those who choose to follow Him do the work that He commands they first do.

1. Be prepared to abandon parents, brother, sister, children, spouse, in-laws, e.t.c.
2. Abandon all that you know/believe, have, and all that you are
3. Bear your own burden (not someone else's cross- not even your family's or children's)


4. Become a child again in your thinking and your actions

5. Be prepared to lose life(reputation, career, control, property, etc.)



6. Desire above all to find and enter the Kingdom of God and also walk the path of righteousness, with God as your guide every step
7. Let go of all control you have over your life and circumstances, allowing God to take care of your every need

You are not wise my brother. You foolishness is oozing right now.

You don't believe what Paul's said about Jesus and salvation. That's fine.

I ask you where Jesus talked about salvation, you quoted what Matthew said about Jesus.

Conclusion: you believe Matthew's report about Jesus and you don't believe Paul's report about Jesus. Your understanding is bias, and we call this "selective amnesia".

I have read and believed both report, they said the same things about Jesus.

Maybe you should tear all of Paul's book out your Bible.

False teacher.

Kobojunkie:
Why are you lying that I am a descendant of Abraham?

Okay, every one has a lineage, whose descendant are you?

Brachaa:
I didn't say Im believing his report. I believe God's reports. And im not worshiping him but God Almighty. All im saying is concerning the discussion at hand and the way he see things at times. Don't know about his not accepting Christ. Its not in my place to judge. Cos sometimes you might be judging someone while God approves of them. So just try to know God for yourself.

The word of God is there for everyone to read, understand and apply in their lives.

Shalom

You mention in your comment that you "go with him sometimes", which means you agree with him sometimes.

Concerning they way he see things, the HolySpirit (spirit of Truth ) has not taught him the truth, because he has not received Him by not accept Jesus. Also, He cannot yeach him when he doesn't have Him( The HolySpirit), it will be an abomination. He only sees lies by the spirit and father of lies, Satan, because he (satan also knows and quote the scriptures).

You can't teach about who you don't accept as God and saviour because there will be no revelation. That's why if you read in between his (Kobo junkies) lines, his letters are dry without the Spirit of God.



The HolySpirit is the author of the Bible, if you don't have him by accepting Jesus..you can understand the Bible, your will read plainly like every other book and preach without the power of God. Apostles preached with the HolySpirit (1Co 2:4 KJV And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power



The scripture below says the Spirit of God helps us gather them and he doesn't have that spirit yet. he( kobojunkie) confirmed it.

Isa 34:16 KJV Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.

Please, advice him to accept Jesus first before all these nonsense he his dishing out.

Thanks

Kobojunkie:
Well, again, I didn't do what Paul said.. I instead Chose to do what Jesus Christ commanded that I do instead. Jesus Christ is after all the New Covenant, so it matters more what He said. He commands that everyone who wants to have a portion of Him, obey all 7 Commandments, and I did that and lo and behold, God showed up.
Here's a translation to help you better understand what is written there in Romans 8 vs 9.

Yes, I am not ruled by my flesh even though I am still human like Jesus Christ was when He was here on earth with us and showed us His example. I am instead ruled by the Spirit of God who lives inside of me.

You don't do what Paul said, buy what what Jesus said about salvation.

Please, show me what Jesus said about salvation?


What is the my Romans 8vs 9 and you Romans 8 v 9. Did both not say we have a Spirit?

Your understanding of the world spiritual is shallow. Every thing you can see came out of the unseen. Therefore there's a touch of spirituality I'm every seen things.

Kobojunkie:
GO back through the thread of Posts that you supposedly commented on. READ IT and then come back with saner responses.

I see you have ran out of lies

Kobojunkie:
What part of John 14 tells you that Jesus Christ is not your only Teacher?

God back and review what I have already said on these so you are not dilly-dallying!
Definitely not Jacobs!
Man had a part of the spirit in Him already called the spirit of man. Being born of the spirit is a sort of reconnecting back to the spirit of the Father. So, you more likely switched spirit states but you definitely do not become Spiritual beings as a result. Not according to Jesus Christ.
You know what? If you want to believe you become God after being born in the spirit, it is your dance!
Not a single claim of contradiction from you has been substantiated. Instead, what I have noticed is you keep trying to insert your delusions my way. I suggest instead that you review what I have said so far so you are clear on who believes what.

Joh 14:26 KJV But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
It's says HolySpirit is another teacher.



Insulting words in arguments simply means immaturity and lack of composure especially when you can prove your points.

You referred to the phrase "spirit of man" and you don't believe man is a spiritual being.

You are defendant of Abraham, but not of Jacob. This is confusion. Is the later not from the former. Except you want to tell you are not from Abraham also? It's shows clearly you don't understand what the Spirit of adoption does.


Lastly, if you don't believe you a god even when you referred to as son of God, fine. I believe I'm a god, I have God in me and the scriptures below clearly calls me god, even Jesus did.

Psa 82:6 KJV I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Joh 10:34-35 KJV 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

I just remembered you said you didn't receive Christ, you can enjoy this revelatory truth Jesus talked about. Jesus is not the lier by calling us God you must be the lier here.

Kobojunkie:
frankdavidson, did you know that it is impossible to become saved without obeying His actual commandments? Yes, Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, is the way to reach the Father, and no one can do that without first becoming worthy of Him, according to Jesus Christ.
No one can become a follower of Jesus Christ simply by wishing for it. Jesus required that those who choose to follow Him do the work that He commands they first do.

1. Be prepared to abandon parents, brother, sister, children, spouse, in-laws, e.t.c.
2. Abandon all that you know/believe, have, and all that you are
3. Bear your own burden (not someone else's cross- not even your family's or children's)


4. Become a child again in your thinking and your actions

5. Be prepared to lose life(reputation, career, control, property, etc.)



6. Desire above all to find and enter the Kingdom of God and also walk the path of righteousness, with God as your guide every step
7. Let go of all control you have over your life and circumstances, allowing God to take care of your every need

Rom 10:9-11 KJV 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Rom 8:9 KJV But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Remember you said, you are not a spiritual being, you didn't give your life to Christ. The above scripture says Jesus rejected you as a follower.

Weigh yourself with these scriptures and see where you stand. Thanks.

Brachaa:
This is why most times I tend to go with kobojunkie not because of any other thing. He just told you the " church is a collection of believers and you're asking gathering where? Like seriously? They are a group of belivers in the body of Christ not gathering in a "building " .

Also believers grow through the word of God and the Holy spirit cos ive seen people who go fo service for years but never grew though the gathering help one to learn new things about God that one may not be able to do on their own due to "lazyness" in studying the word of God on thier own. But If you truely want to grow from experience, you need the Holy spirit and to study the word of God on a personal note. The Bible says, "study to shew thyself approved, a workman that neeedeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Lets learn to take the word of God the way it is.

Shalom.

Welcome.

Kobojunkie said he didn't give his life to Christ, is that the report of whom you want to believe?

Kobojunkie said he went to God without Jesus (the door). Only thieves enter a house without the door.

A church truely is collection of believers, but the believers always meet somewhere to worship God. Even Jesus gathered them many times.

Heb 10:25 KJV Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
That's is what the scriptures instructed the church to do!

Kobojunkie:
I didn't give my life to Jesus Christ. I didn't understand the need for Jesus Christ. I saw Him as a mere man, with some sort of elevation which I didn't understand. So I went straight to God Himself, and asked Him to show answer me like He said He would in the old testament. As time went on, I began to realize that the more I obeyed His commandments, the more He reciprocated. I later found out that there was some similarity with what is contained in the Old testament and the New, and I started picking up and following the commandments in the new Covenant too, and He kept reciprocating, as in I knew He was there.. guiding me, directing me, opening doors even where there were none. Eventually, He showed up and began speaking, and I thought for sure it had to be a demon or an alien. Many months later, I caved that it had to be God because of the things He kept having me do -- obey Jesus Christ's commandments.
Against God's own commandment? Do you see not see how you seem almost automatically programmed there to suggest that which is against Jesus Christ's teachings? It is almost like you can't even help it.

In few words again, you just nailed yourself again.

* You didn't give your life to Christ. That means you are not a Christian, you don't have the Spirit of Christ, and you are not saved from demnation.

* Since you don't have the Spirit of Christ, which is the Spirit of Truth according to John, you have a demon. I can see why you spit lies.

* You said we should live by what comes out from the mouth of God personally not man, we did you get the commandments from?.

* What's the source of your fake knowledge of God, if you tell me you read it somewhere that means a man was involved, if you tell me God mouth is you source that means all you know, God had to appear to you by Himself to teach.


* Let your reply be in line with the questions.

Kobojunkie:
I like to go with the dictionary meaning ... a new rule of sorts, a new system


Remember, according to Jesus Christ, He is in the only teacher, and so He teaches those who have become His followers.
I am not a descendant of Jacob, so the old Covenant never applied to me to begin with. It only applies to those who are descended of Abraham, Isaac, AND Jacob.

* Well, for those who the Old Covenant applied to, to begin with, they still have the choice of the old Covenant, and yes, many still chose it to this day, over the New Covenant.
Sure, and those who are born of the Spirit of God already share a likeness with their Father... They have the Spirit of God Himself living on the inside of them. He is, after all, the seal of the New Covenant.
And the light of men now lives inside of those who are children of God. Hence we remain flesh and blood(humans). The Spirit of God that lives inside of us is the same Spirit that lived inside of Jesus Christ.

He did not such thing. Jesus Christ did not call us to become Spiritual beings... He simply called us to follow Him and by doing so, through Him living inside of us, we gain eternal life that is He.

In few words again....

* Jesus Christ is not the only teacher, I quoted John 14 to you before.

* Did you Jesus Christ appear to you to teach you personally? I don't mean by reading the Bible because those are men's words that Jesus used to teach.

* Whose descendant are you, Isau?

* At least you and your dictionary definition agree to the word " New" means change in the old.

* You also agreed that we are born of the spirit, we share same likeness and we are spirit being like our father.

*Jesus Christ did not call you to be a spiritual being, but then you agreed that we are born of the spirit in your above statement.

* In lay mans word, do you have a spirit, if yes, it means you are a spiritual being( have something to do with spiritual things) and you need to return the spirit because God did not call you a spiritual being.

* Read your comments and see alot contradictory statements. It's shows your confusion.

Kobojunkie:
huh?
So? Does God have to write a book or something? After all, ALL knowledge of Good and Evil belongs to Him... He inspires it all. So why does he have to write the book Himself when it all belongs to Him?
Preaching was never meant for those who are saved. It was meant for those who are unsaved. Once a person is saved, the Spirit of God takes over, and He instructs that person from that point on. But man instead wanted to control the administration of the things of God, as far as His fellow men is concerned, so greedy and power hungry bishops and MOGs hijacked the early church movement, turning it in to what you see today.
The Old Covenant never stopped - remember Jesus Christ never abolished or changed it. It is an everlasting covenant between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! To this day, it is still in full effect, and it only belongs to those who are descendants of Israel. No other people are covered under the old Covenant.
How can it be different when the same plan He had in motion from the beginning is still the same plan that is still in effect today?
I don't 'divide' scripture... I simply read to comprehend what is written as it is written. Remember, I said it earlier on that all that one needs is simply language comprehension skills to read this and every book written in human language.
Oh, and where do you get that I don't believe in Healing? Did God not heal me when He first showed up? What are you talking about?
Not once have I stated anything that is against the commandment of Jesus Christ throughout this conversation. Not once have I tried to put myself in the stead of Jesus Christ in telling you what Jesus Christ has commanded of us all. So why are you afraid that Jesus Christ's own words will 'indoctrinate' you?
Achieve what? Carnality? There is no such thing! God was not stupid when He made us all humans.. Flesh and blood. He did not call for us to become SPIRITUAL BEINGS... He made us as He wanted us to be. He has not called you to be anything but a human being, only He has called on you to do it His way... Jesus Christ.

Hence forth, Short replies for you only.

* What is a dispensation?

* Preaching is for unbelievers, teaching is for who and by who?

* Old convenant never changed, you can keep on sacrificing bulls, because you don't need a new convenant based on better promises.

* In the old convenant they had not the HolySpirit in them because Jesus had not died for them to have it, in the new it's different, is that not a change?

* The bible call human son of God, can a lion give birth to a goat? Sons share likeness with thier father gen 1:26. Except you a son of another thing.


* God did not heal when he showed up, He saved you first.


* Carnality. Jesus was flesh and blood also, but had Godliness in him. The Bible said He the light( example ) of men..is our body not the temple of the HolyGhost?

* He called me to be spiritual being that's why he gave me the HolySpirit ( spiritual being), maybe you received another ghost some else.

* You are beginning to sound childish.

Kobojunkie:
I am not sure what you are getting at at all.
And I told you so many times that God never wrote a book. He is God, He never had to!
Here's something you need to know of the Old Covenant prophets. God only appointed prophets for the nation of Israel and those prophets were themselves descendants of Israel.

The Old Covanent was an agreement between God and the descendants of Jacob/Israel, so ONLY those who belonged to that bloodline could partake of the Covenant. That is why you read in the BIble that all prophets came from within the people of Israel, never without.

In the new Covenant, all those who follower Jesus Christ, whether they were chosen to write the gospel or not, are nothing like the old Covenant Prophets and teachers. Why? Because they are, like every other follower of Jesus Christ, with God as their one and only Teacher, and Guide,and Lead.

How does speak to me daily? What? The Spirit of God lives on the inside of each and every follower of Jesus Christ, and He guides/Teaches/Instructs/ counsels/Helps/Comforts us daily. Contrary to what you have been fed, you don't need to read a book for God to speak to you. He speaks -Yes, He is God, He can communicate with you and He does so every moment of every day through His spirit living on the inside of you.
You need to learn to put your faith in and obey Jesus Christ and Christ alone.
There is no one appointed in authority of me though. So what are you going on about?
I have a mentor -- His name is Jesus Christ, the New Covenant of God. Why do you find the word of God so hard to believe? Why do you think it impossible for God Himself to do exactly what He said He would do? Why?
God does not change His mind -- He is not man! His plan has been the exact same from even before the beginning. You cannot see this because you are busy pulling mere men as your mentor. God never changes!
This was God's plan from before the beginning. That is why the Old Covenant is alive even today for the people of Israel. He never changes His mind. His plan has been, and continues even as it was from 3500 years ago, of recorded History. What does that tell you? That there is a different dispensation? God is not dead!

It thought I was have a healthy scriptural conversation with you, I'm wrong.

You have a stronghold you need to let go.

* God never wrote a book and there's a Bible with the word of His mouth in it.

* If the Spirit of God speaks daily to you and every other person individually, what is the need for preaching and teaching Gods words that comes from His mouth every to His people individually?

* if is does not change His plans for Different dispensations why did the old convenant stopped for a new one, is that not a change or reformation bible talk about? (Heb 9:10 KJV .......imposed on them until the time of reformation.)

* 3500 years and you don't know there are different dispensations. It's a shame. The old and the new testament are they not two different dispensations already?

After reading you last reply I felt like was chatting with a 5 year old, your level of carnality in discerning and dividing scriptures is harming you, because you can't follow Jesus like this. You believe Jesus but you don't believe in healing ministry he left behind, you said it's not scriptural.

See brother, I have kept this matter on your level understanding but you dragging me down more into your foolish indoctrination you have in your head but I refuse to go.


I have successfully used you to achieve what I want to see.

Lastly, I pray you Come out your carnality and embrace the supernatural life of God He died for. John 3;16. He wants us to have it here and the age to come. 1pet1:3.

Kobojunkie:
Go to Matthew 25 vs 31 through 40, and try to apply that logic. You immediately find that it fails. Why ? Because right there, Jesus Christ tells you that those who feed His Sheep(Give His Sheep food when they are hungry, Give them drink when they are thirsty), and Care for His sheep(Cloth his sheep when they are naked, house His sheep when they are homeless, care for his sheep when they are sick, and visit His sheep when they are in prisoner), are themselves sheep. In His Kingdom, we are all created equal - those who want to be greater, rather than lead, will instead be slaves to everyone else.

There is no HIERARCHY as far as between the followers of Jesus Christ. Each person gets their matching orders from Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone. Anyone who wants to serve another master, will have to do so without Jesus Christ. There is the Head(Jesus Christ) and everyone else is the body as far as the Church of Jesus Christ is concerned.
No Sheep is under Peter, and No Sheep is under Paul. Every Sheep belongs to the Jesus Christ and through His Spirit, He sends whomever He chooses to carry out His work wherever He chooses and whenever, and however. He and He alone is the Head of His church.
The apostles did not start any church. No, they simply went out to preach as commanded and God brought the people together to do His work. In the book of acts for example, we are told the apostles sold what they had, came together to share it among everyone.
* Jesus Christ's followers sell everything and put the funds towards taking care of the needs of the lot

* The first christian experience -- the first Christians ran a pantry system in Rome that, during the great famine, catered to a good portion of the population.

There is nowhere in the bible where you are told they created churches of the kind you all run today. No, they were a community of people who came together in obeying the commandment of Jesus Christ as a group. And when The Spirit was ready, He moved them on to other places where they continued to do the work of obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ wherever they went.
The same commandments He gave me is the same commandments He gave everyone else, and the same commandments apply to Paul.

Wrong scripture usage.

Mat 25, talks about the coming of Jesus.
Has Jesus come?

You said the Apostles did not start any church and that our kind of church is not scriptural. Here are some scriptures you need to see.

Act 2:40-47 KJV 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. 42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Church started.


Act 3:6-8 KJV 6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. 7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. 8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. Act 4:4 KJV Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

Church started again after one Miracles.




Act 5:12-16 NET 12 Now many miraculous signs and wonders came about among the people through the hands of the apostles. By common consent they were all meeting together in Solomon’s Portico. 13 None of the rest dared to join them, but the people held them in high honor. 14 More and more believers in the Lord were added to their number, crowds of both men and women. 15 Thus they even carried the sick out into the streets, and put them on cots and pallets, so that when Peter came by at least his shadow would fall on some of them. 16 A crowd of people from the towns around Jerusalem also came together, bringing the sick and those troubled by unclean spirits. They were all being healed.

See another miracleous church like the one we run today.



Act 8:5-8 NET 5 Philip went down to the main city of Samaria and began proclaiming the Christ to them. 6 The crowds were paying attention with one mind to what Philip said, as they heard and saw the miraculous signs he was performing. 7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud shrieks, were coming out of many who were possessed, and many paralyzed and lame people were healed. 8 So there was great joy in that city.

See another kind of scriptural church. This is an evangelist not even an Apostle.


Note: this was in the new convenant, Jesus was not leading by Himself but the Human leaders.

Also, it's the teaching , preaching and miracles by appointment few that are not just mere new that made many people follow Jesus.

My church preach and teach same miracleous gospel that you read in your Bible. From the way you speak, the group you call church are missing out out on something scriptural and they need to adjust their beliefs system.

Wake up bro.

Kobojunkie:
Um.. the authorship of the letters to the Ephesians may be in dispute still, but Jesus Christ is most definitely not on the list of possible authors.
The books in your bible were written by the hands of men, and in the language of men, to be comprehended as one would any language that is the language of men. That said, God, the one who created men, inserted His Truth into the minds of men so that it be propagated through time and space as His word should. Yes, God is powerful enough to ensure the integrity of His own word and Truth throughout all time.
Scriptural backing to show that God's truth is God's truth?
Paul is supposed to have written this one...

Moses is the one who wrote this one here.

Here is what Jesus Christ said when speaking of what man needs

If Jesus is not on the list of author don't believe the account author and say the other is dispute. They were all taught by Jesus.

Secondly, I asked for scriptural back that Jesus wrote a book by Himself not to show that God truth is God's truth.

Lastly, mat 4:4 say every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Prophets are the mouth piece of God, therefore God will still appoint many as long we are still on this earth before he can speak to His people. This is the established trend from old to new convenant. For instance, has does God speak to your daily like mat 4:4 said? If you say by the scriptures, it was written by chosen or appoint Men of God both in the new convenant.

Please, you need a new mentor. Even the truth you think you know was taught to you by one appointed to be in authority. Please try a new mentor to enjoy what God is doing in this dispensation. God has different plans or move for different dispensation Genesis to revelation.
In this dispensation He has poured out His Spirit for the miracleous act 2:17. Join the move and witness God with power.
Act 1:8 KJV But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
True witnessing comes with power .

Kobojunkie:
Well, that is a commandment to ALL followers of Jesus Christ, not some of them. For you see, those are the works of righteousness that every believer ought to be busy doing, as Lead of course by God Himself, with. Because that is the only way to enter His Kingdom at the end. Obedience!
So that instruction is to all followers of Jesus Christ, not just to your "special people" or MOGs

We are each expected to feed the sheep/take care of the sheep, if we want to enter His kingdom. So it is not a special duty for special people but a commandment to all of us, followers of Jesus christ.

I agree with everything that Jesus Christ established as far as His new Covenant is concerned. Jesus Christ did not establish Scripture for you - nowhere in scripture were you informed that He did any such thing.
Also, If you don't follow Paul, then why are you stuck on Paul?

Let help you understand that there are two entities Jesus was referring to in John 21.

1. The shepherd ( the one to feed the sheep) Peter

2. The flock ( the number of the sheep to be feed).

A flock cannot live, feed and organize themselves without a leader( the shepherd, Peter), that's why Jesus appointed 12 for his ministry. Elijah had many, called sons of the prophet, John the Baptist had some also many others like Philip the evangelist.

Secondly, there are many sheep in the word who are not under Peter. If they live on their own like you are now, they will go astray.

Thirdly, the Apostles started many churches in their time as they move from country to country. Did they leave people in charge of each the congregation they left behind? Yes.


Lastly, Jesus established things for me and you to follow, if not you be quoting Him. I'm not stuck on Paul, I serve Jesus.

Kobojunkie:
Yes,
Jesus Christ Himself said He and the Father will make their homes inside of those who are His. So?
Jesus Christ did not write the letters compiled in your book, ephesians. What Jesus Christ said of authority is He commands that none of His followers(disciples) engage in such.
There is no call that gives any follower of Jesus Christ, not even those you wish to pretend are placed higher above the rest, any authority to lead others in His flock. Jesus Christ is the Head, and everyone else is a part of His body with no part more equal or higher than the others.

If you say Jesus Christ did not right the letters in Ephesians, please tell us which book or letter Jesus wrote by Himself?

Respect yourself and answer straight and with scriptures please. If you can I'll believe every thing you have written on this thread. Thanks

Kobojunkie:
But that is where wisdom comes in and says, wait a second.... If God is true, and His word is truth, then it is not that the Bible is truth but that the WORD OF GOD, CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE, IS HIS TRUTH.

Jesus Christ Himself gave us the clue, but we did not see it, did we?
Yes, only the word that is designated as coming from God, either through His Prophets or through His very own WORD, is indeed TRUTH. I quote Paul when I say let man be liar and God be true.
In the old Covenanent, there were MOGs, God himself installed many of them. But as far as the new Covenant is concerned, God instituted a changing of the guards.

As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, I can established that MOG refers to men/women who, in direct disobedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, install themselves in positions of power contrary to His teachings, i.e. Spiritual leaders/ Spiritual fathers/ Teachers/Prophets/Authorities/Rabbis/Guides/Helpers over God's people, assuming the place of God in the lives of those who belong to God, twisting his truth and words to create for themselves doctrines and traditions, which are far from the very teachings of Jesus Christ.


As for Paul, I don't have answers as to why his writings seem to stand in direct contradiction to many of God's teachings. It's been about 2000 years. The man's work could have been tampered with during that period, at least that is what I am leaning towards.
I don't believe the opinon of any man, not even Jeremiah. I believe in God though and I trust that God is indeed able to ensure that His word is correctly propagated from generation to generation, age to age. Yes, Test His word to find out for yourself. That is what I did and that is how I learnt what I know now. I went straight to ask Him to prove Himself and He did just that.

After reading this reply, here's what you mean.

1. by saying "If God is true, and His word is truth, then it is not that the Bible is truth but that the WORD OF GOD, CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE, IS HIS TRUTH" you mean that some things in the Bible are lies, yes or no?

2. By saying "But as far as the new Covenant is concerned, God instituted a changing of the guards", it means that God no longer speaks through Man again but by himself. You statement means that God will come down and do evangelism by Himself or Preach to the body of Christ by Himself, or teach by Himself because you said He His the only teacher, you said in Jeremiah 31 that we don't need man to teach us.

3. In your third paragraph, you said MOGs install themselves in direct disobedience to the teachings of Jesus. He (Jesus ) called the "12" apostles, does it mean he does not practice what He teaches or you are the one twisting His teachings? Infact, the Apostles appointed another apostle to replace Judas after Jesus had aacended. Who is lieing here, you or the apostles?

4. Your last paragraph, you said you don't believe in the opinion of man but the word of God. Here's what you don't under understand, every word of God you ever read about came through a Man, even in our dispensation via prophecy. If God didn't want it that way, He would just speak to everyone personally, there will be no need for preachers or prophets from old to the new convenant. Once you are born, God would just download everything your head, no need for church or the body of Christ.
Eph 4:11-13 say the body of Christ needs edification (building up) by the positions( apostles, prophets e.t.c) in verse 11 until we come to the "knowledge" ( meaning we lack the full knowledge )of Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Again this is what Jesus Christ Commanded as far as that.

Will you obey Jesus Christ or will you not? You decide!

John 21: 15-17 Jesus told Peter ( a human like Dr sign Fireman) to feed his sheep ( like me and you, except you choose to be a goat).

Jesus Himself made that statement and established the fact that the body of Christ should have shepherd (pastors) and flocks under them.

If you don't agree to what Jesus established in the scripture, which Paul did not write, coz I know you don't follow Paul, them you are the lier and false teacher.