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Christianity EtcRe: Don't Open This Thread If You Have Little Faith. by lightwalk(op): 4:24am On Nov 13, 2009
The answer is that God is a supreme being. The only intelligent agent who knows how things must be done. All that happens is as a result of what He wants. You are not of the same intellectual level and therefore there are some things you cannot understand about Him. But listen to the words of those men wiser than you, who have experienced Him if you have not. That man in his money-worship began to use Christianity as a way of making money is not God's fault. God gave you a brain so you will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Just ask for his mercy and grace. The more man sins the further away from God he goes and the harder it becomes for him or her to believe in God. See how far we have been going from God for years. It was like this in the days of Jeremiah. But after some time, Jesus came and revived the people. He assured them that heaven still waits and told us all the truth He could afford. Today we're going back like the old days again. Going back and dying in faith as prophesied in revelations. And the giant globalization is bringing every act of immorality to everywhere. And the smart fallen angel is trying to blind us on the iniquities going on. instead he makes people to focus on criticism of ancient traditions and moral beliefs. DON'T FALL A VICTIM!
START LIVING THE TRUE WAY TO ETERNAL LIFE! BECOME A CHRISTIAN TODAY!
IslamRe: Abrogation In The Quran by lightwalk(m): 4:11am On Nov 13, 2009
The Abrogation in the Quran

The author : Father Zakaria Boutros
The publisher: www.fatherzakaria.com

What is meant by the abrogation?
-The word " to abrogate "{Nasekh in Arabic} means to copy as when someone copies an
article, but abrogation has many other meanings in language as ablation or cancellation, in
the quran to abrogate a verse means to remove it, replace it by another verse or to replace
the verse verdict by another verdict
- Ibn Kathir mentioned: narrated ibn-Jarir: the abrogation means transforming the lawful
into unlawful and the unlawful into lawful (1)
How many abrogated verses are there in the quran?
Abu-Gaafer Al-Nahas and many other scholars mentioned that abrogation exists in a total of
71 chapters out of the 114 quran chapters, so the abrogation is existing in about 62,28% of
the quran
The types of the abrogator and abrogated in the quran
The scholars of the abrogation divided it into three main types:
1) Those with abrogated letter and conserved verdict
2) Those with abrogated verdict and conserved letter
3) Those with abrogated verdict and letter
1) Those with abrogated letter and conserved verdict
Those are the verses that had been removed from the quran but their verdicts are still active
and valid
Actually the quran has many examples for that, of them:
1- the stoning of the adulterous and adulteress verse
2- the adult sucking verse
1- the stoning of the adulterous and adulteress verse
the stoning of the adulterous and adulteress verse was present in the quran during the
time of Muhammad, but it was abrogated, and it doesn’t exist any more in the current
Othman’s quran , but its verdict is still valid , and currently the adulterous and adulteress
should be stoned according to the Islamic legislation
2- the adult sucking verse
The adult sucking verse was present in the quran, as Aeisha when she wanted to meet a
man, she was asking her niece to suckle that man, and so by that he will be debarred for
her so she can meet him freely
Abu-Gaafer Al-Nahas mentioned that: Sahla , the daughter of Sohil came to the prophet
(PUH) saying: I had seen my husband (Abe Hozifa) is upset as he sees Salem (a servant of
them) coming to me, the prophet (PUH), told her then you suckle him (meaning that to let
Salem suck from her, in order to let him be like a son to her , so he will be debarred for her,
so her husband will not be upset from him anymore!!!), she replied but How could I suckle a
grown up man ?, the prophet (PUH) said : I know well that he is a grown up man, she went
and allowed that man to suck from her and came back to the prophet saying : I have suckled
him, and now my husband is not upset anymore from him when he comes to me (2)
2) Those with abrogated verdict and conserved letter
Those are verses that are still present in the quran but their verdicts were abrogated, or
invalid, of that type there are 550 verses
Among them were the verses concerning peace and forgiveness those descended while
Muhammad was in Makkah as he was a peaceful man , there were about 124 verses inciting
for living in peace and preaching forgiveness, all of those verses were abrogated by two
verses of the Repentance chapter (Surat At-Taubah), those verses are the sword and
fighting verses:
- Repentance chapter (Surat At-Taubah): 5." when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill
the disbelievers”
- Repentance chapter (Surat At-Taubah) 29:" Fight against those who believe not in Allah,
nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger
and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the
Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the tribute with willing submission, and feel
themselves subdued".
Those two verses abrogated 124 verses that came before them
3) Those with abrogated verdict and abrogated letter
Those are verses that disappeared completely from the quran as regards their text and
verdict
It was mentioned that one of companions of the prophet wished to recite a verse of the
quran he had memorized , he couldn't remember it except only " in the name of Allah the
most gracious, most merciful" so he went to other people, to ask them but they were also
uncertain about that verse, so they decided to go to the prophet and ask him about it, then
the prophet remained silent for an hour ,then replied them saying " that verse was
abrogated by God yesterday (3)
- Narrated Aeisha:” the Confederates chapter (Surat Al-Ahzab) was recited during the time of
the prophet up to two hundred verses, then when Othman wrote the quran, we didn't find
except 73 verses “(4)
- Narrated Omer: “Actually big parts of the quran had gone, and not present now “(4)
Those are the verses with their text disappeared completely from the quran and also their
verdicts are not present any more
Hazardousness of the abrogation:
There is serious Hazardousness for the abrogation
1) The existence of abrogation in the quran is conflicting with other verses as:
- The Cattle chapter (Surat Al-An'am) 34:" none can alter the words of Allah"
And The Cave chapter (Surat Al-Kahf) 27:"None can change his words"
2) The abrogation is conflicting with the concept of the conserved plate
- The Big Stars chapter (Surat Al-Burooj) 21, 22:”This is a Glorious Quran, in Lauh Mahfûz
(Preserved Tablet)
Does the concept of the abrogator and abrogated, changing in the quran verses, canceling
and abating them accord with the verity of the quran being infinite in a conserved tablet? So
did the cancellation or change happen also in the conserved tablet? Or had the conserved
tablet revised or modified versions? and when the prophet forgot some verses , aren’t they
supposed to exist in the conserved tablet, so why He didn’t send Gabriel again to remind
him with what he had forgotten
3) The abrogation is conflicting with:
- The Rocky Tract chapter (Surat Al-Hijr) 9:" It is we who have sent down the Dhikr (the
Quran) and surely, we will guard it"
So according to the quran, God guards his words from changing or alternation, and what is
the abrogation? It is nothing but changing and alternation of the quran, so how did that
happen?
4) the most serious hazardousness of the abrogation is in the verse of the women chapter
(Surat An-Nisa') 82:" Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found
therein much contradiction
Isn't enough to have 550 quran verses, that had been abrogated, changed, or replaced,
from the quran , to prove the presence of much contradiction, and to satisfy the requirement
set forth by the verse " Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found
therein much contradiction"
Some claim that the abrogation exists also in the Holy Bible, as the Christ abrogated the Old
Testament
The word abrogation was not mentioned at all in the Holy Bible
The Christ said very clearly:” I did not come to annul, but to fulfill” Matthew 5:17
If a child who was in the primary school , grows up and gets into the high school, do they
cancel for him what he had learned in the primary school?, of course not, but they will just
complete the knowledge for him as he grows up
In the old testaments there were some legislations and symbols as regarding the sacrifices
and other things, those were fulfilled in the Christ , so they are no more valid by the coming
of the Christ , the Christ came and completed everything and gave the legislation of
perfection
(1) Ibn Kathir exegesis (Tafsir) part 1, page 104
(2) The abrogator and abrogated, by Abu-Gaafer Al-Nahas page 124
(3) The abrogates of the quran, by Jamal Al-Din Ibn Al- Jozy, page 589
(4) The perfection in the quran's sciences, by Jalal Al-Din Al-Syouty, part 2, page 26
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 3:57am On Nov 13, 2009
Catwoman smiley
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 3:56am On Nov 13, 2009
:d :d :d :d :d
Christianity EtcRe: Fallacies And Contradictions In The Bible (part 1) by lightwalk(m): 3:54am On Nov 13, 2009
1. Numbers were highly mystical and meaningful in the old days. That's why the Bible is not for everyone
2. Read a chapter completely before concluding anything as contextual meaning can change so many things
ComputersRe: Starcomms Izap - Is It Really Fast As Starcomms Claim? by lightwalk(m): 3:53am On Nov 13, 2009
So what kind of internet connection are you using? Hayprof go craze for this one
Christianity EtcRe: 101 Contradictions In The Bible by lightwalk(m): 3:46am On Nov 13, 2009
Where did you get this long forgotten ebook. Read it sometime ago but what does it pay you to discover the flaws of the Bible. I don't believe that anything of this world is flawless. The old testament to me is mainly jewish history and some might not have been recorded well. Apart from that if you look at the sayings critically you'll see that it's something recorded by different people from their understanding. That's why you must read critically to be able to grasp the true meanings of the word of God.
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 3:39am On Nov 13, 2009
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ComputersRe: Starcomms Izap - Is It Really Fast As Starcomms Claim? by lightwalk(m): 8:12pm On Nov 12, 2009
Rocking again, tongue

Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 5:04am On Nov 12, 2009
Illogical and dreamy. Modification is not deletion grin
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 4:58am On Nov 12, 2009
Artificial
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 4:26am On Nov 12, 2009
Foreigner
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 4:21am On Nov 12, 2009
smiley smiley smiley :d
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 4:17am On Nov 12, 2009
Emotionally sensitive wink
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 4:02am On Nov 12, 2009
Stomps out in laughter, grin grin grin
Come back na, kiss
This is just a Game Room shocked embarassed
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 4:00am On Nov 12, 2009
cool cool cool kiss
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 3:55am On Nov 12, 2009
grin grin grin grin grin
The hand is too tender
Give him another one angry
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 3:46am On Nov 12, 2009
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 3:29am On Nov 12, 2009
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Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 3:28am On Nov 12, 2009
Kenny_G:
lesbos
shocked shocked shocked
Perfect!
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 3:16am On Nov 12, 2009
wink wink wink wink wink wink
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 10:27pm On Nov 11, 2009
Self indulgent sad undecided
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 10:23pm On Nov 11, 2009
angry angry angry
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 6:19pm On Nov 11, 2009
Respects her privacy cheesy
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 5:32am On Nov 11, 2009
Prove it grin grin grin
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 4:52am On Nov 11, 2009
Talkative. Likes chatting with anyone that is not boring cheesy wink
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 4:34am On Nov 11, 2009
The ratio of women characters to men's characters exceeds 20:1 shocked shocked shocked
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 4:18am On Nov 11, 2009
By the way, I hope you're preparing for your birthday party in December. I'll be coming over wink
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 4:16am On Nov 11, 2009
Bad girl
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 4:16am On Nov 11, 2009
cool cool cool cool kiss kiss kiss
Forum GamesRe: First Impression: by lightwalk(m): 3:25am On Nov 11, 2009
In your mind grin grin
Forum GamesRe: Let's Use Smileys Only! by lightwalk(m): 3:14am On Nov 11, 2009
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