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ITbomb: What did u call it? ' HEART '

the important word there is artificial. made by man in a factory.
or are you saying that artificial heart, brain, lungts etc put together have a soul?

snthesis: now that your premise has been broken down to sumtin we d "lay" ppl can relate with i.e egg and chicken.

it brings to fore that an external force is required to create an object- that external force is God to the created object. in simple terms if a creature/object/specie had no command of its coming into existence it implies succintly that the creature/object/specie has a Maker, a God.

so tell us who created egg.

Moralistli: Why did prophet Isaiah pray that it shouldn't rain and it did not, until he prayed again that it should?

you should first get your facts right before asking questions. I think you meant Elijah, not Isaiah.
Anyway buzugee will be along with a good answer. I will reread that section and tell you what I understand.

AlvinPlantinga: You do realise you are not doing yourself any favours and you are actually supporting the argument? the egg and the universe share the properties of finitude and contigency.

yes, because the argument proves the inexistence of god.

hugging a transformer might help.

it was an eupheministic way of telling you that you have a small digger.

have you considered libertinism and wife swapping?

In Genesis 3: 14, god cursed the snake and said "you will crawl on your belly..."

Were snakes walking or flying before this?

Women were not part of god's original plan. They are an afterthought.
God created adam first and only derived eve from adam when he realised that adam needs someone to help with his bonner from time to time.

ITbomb: A cactus does not have a brain or a heart but it has everything that defines it as a cactus . For a human to be a being it must possess all that defines it as human being ie brain , heart, lungs, breathe

You mean that people with artificial hearts are not humans?

it really is amazing the type of things that worry certain people.

brainpulse: Does a foetus has a heart, does it has a brain ( no matter how small) and blood?

These are part of what forms a life.

does a cactus have a brain or a heart or do you think plants are not alive?

nl has turned into something else.

Rewording the Premises.

The Egg either:

1.Always existed

or

2.Came into existence.

Since 1 is demonstrably false both scientifically ( eggs rot if unfetilized after a few weeks) and philosophically ( eggs always get laid by some animal, then it follows that 2 is the only option.

If the egg came into existence, then did it cause itself to come into existence or something caused it to come into existence?

It does not make sense to say the egg caused itself to come into existence since it implies, that the egg existed before it existed.For something to cause anything, it has to exist in the first place.It defies all logic.

You could say that a chicken could have brought our egg into existence.but this does not solve our problem.We could as wel ask, did the chicken cause itself to exist?

how does this affect the stock exchange?

i will sooner die for biafra than for a fuckin' white god of amalgamators.

interesting!!!
no reasonable premise!!!
conclusion
Theists know God does not exist they only choose not to acknowledge His non-existence

Atheists: Why is the girl suing him now ?

because she was delivered and her head is now clear. she is doing the right thing instead of witchcrafting. thanks to jeeeesus and his servant oyedepo.
even jesus went to jail so oyedepo can also go to jail in jeeeesus name!
Please slap more witches.

can't stop lolling.

OmoPastor: @ logicmind
you seem to know all things and you have answers to everything even when some of your answers are obviously dumb.

please tell us what will happen all over the world before the end of this year.

olodo

so this is the best you can do against "obviously dumb" answers?

bukatyne: all those passages u quoted, read d whole chapter n not just lift some to suit u. in 1 cor 11:34, Paul was addressing an issue. if u read well, u ll c that those verses don't match the previous ones. Paul was an apostle dat worked wit women a lot. women re not saved by childbirth, they re saved through acceptin Christ as their Lord n personal saviour.

1 Timothy 2:15 doesn't agree with you.

I have read the whole chapter and am not going to apologise for a confused paul.

bukatyne: @logicmind: also read that 1 cor 11 further to verses 11 and 16

here

1 Corinthians 11:11-16

11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.

13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

I have read this many times and still can't see where this negates the misogyny of paul. The first part just repeated the creationist story and ...wait, wait, wait, I see: Women give birth to men! Thanks for this revelation paul, you are truly a chosen one.

The second part makes him a feminist? Not!
Thank god for the europeans that came and gave african women chemicals to straighten their hair and correct this african mistake of god's creation.

bukatyne: my answer is yes. there is a difference between religion n christianity. christianity is a relationship wit God. i would also advice christians to study d Bible n ask God for wisdom. that it's y on christian has any excuse, d BIBLE is there. if God tells u that u ll live till a hundred years n u jump into d road n a trailer hits u, is it His fault? or He tells u that He ll make u wealthy n u sit al day doin nothing, ll HE rain money from Heaven? He said He ll bless d work of our hands! if u do nothing, there is nothing to bless! if He promises u good health n u start drinkin contaminated water n eating spoilt food, would u fall sick? n al d other scenarioes u painted. get it, God is not a magician. He plays His part n expects each one of us to play ours too. He MIGHT decide to spare d life of d person who jumped in fronto of a vehicle because of His mercy n not because He is obliged to do so.

So you are telling me that god negates his gifts because of freewill? Infact it doesn't matter what gift god gave us, we can do anything we bloody want, the way we bloody want?
So the person that receives gods gift can end up exactly the same as the person who didn't?
What then is the use of god's gift?
biblical apologetics really make me laugh. So when solomon ordered that an innocent baby be murdered, that was wisdom from god but when he ordered that women be brought to him, that was foolishness from freewill.

Calradised: @ bayooooooo:
but it takes serious boldness to declare to thousands of people that someone will win an election before the voting was finished
it could have easily swung sarkozy's way
and then you would have called tbj a false prophet
you are already calling him a false prophet, even though he said the truth

we are in an unbelieving generation!

gullible.

100% of polls conducted since the past 12 months put sarkozy losing against his socialist rivals.
tb joshua gives a "prediction" after exit polls has put hollande ahead at 11am and you shout alleluya.

gullible.

bukatyne: solomon asked for it. he ruled his kingdom wit it. if he didn't apply it to his martial life, good for him. like i keep saying, God have, everyone freewill. if u give ur child money for his tuition fees n he decides to use it to buy his gf brazilian weaves, is it ur fault that u gave him his fees like a responsible father or his own fault that he was foolish to divert it?

christian twist and turn
please compare comparables.
if i give my child money and he acts like a poor fellow, what's the use of my money?
can a man god made rich be poor?
can a man god gave health be sick?
can a man god gave happiness be sad?
can a man god promised long life die in his youth?
can a man god gave strength be weak?
can a man god gave wisdom be foolish?

Majority of christian will answer no to all the above. You seem to be answering yes.

bukatyne: God didn't require women to submit to their male partners, He said husbands. that said, a wife is to submit (esteem her husband higher than herself or put him first ) n a husband is to love. one of d characteristics of godly love is not been proud (humble) 1cor 13 : 4-7 n been humble is to esteem others (in this case his wife) better than himself. so u c that they balance out. check out d qualities of wat d love God requires d husband to have for his wife n u ll c that already, d man esteems her above himself. also read eph 5:21, it commands al christians to submit to one another so u c that submittin doesn't make a person under another.

so a husband is not a male partner?

stop rewriting the bible. god is specific about submission of women to men. Their salvation comes through childbearing. I pity the barren ones. Women should keep their mouth shut and have no authority over man, instead man must have authority over women. Repeated many times over.

1 Timothy 2:11-15

11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Ephesians 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife ...

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

1 Corinthians 11:10

10 For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.

bukatyne: God gave everyman freewill. i m yet to see a teacher or parent that forces a child to do an homework. but if u don't do it, there is a price to pay.

so what is the use of god's wisdom?

bukatyne: i believe one of my replies has answered u. this shows that no man can boast in himself. it is only by God'S Grace that we stand. God took d Kingdom from solomon n he had a very miserable life. read d book of ecclesiastes n u ll see that he said that all was vanity upon vanity!

there you go again.
was he not the wisest?
did god not give him this wisdom?
if you accept that he acted with god's given wisdom, then collecting women as aboki collects nama cannot be wrong.
if on the other hand, his acts were foolish, then the question is of what good is god's wisdom if it leads to foolishness?