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advocatejare:
Rubbish as usual, I gave you simple task, just do it and stop ejo wewe:


Show me in the Quran where Fajr, Dhuhr, Asr, Maghrib and Isha are mentioned directly and not as inferred by the translators!

Show me the number of rakat for each of those prayer times from the Quran or just bury your head in shame!

Show me where shahada is written in the Quran with “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh” being part of it

“Not as I will, but as You will!” (Matthew 26:39)

Jesus (pbuh) submitted his will to the Almighty, that's Islam mahn, so who are you following?
Satan or st Paul, oh sorry the two might be the same

advocatejare:
Just answer simple questions and stop being deceptive like Allah Al-Makireena the best of the deceivers!

“Not as I will, but as You will!” (Matthew 26:39)

Jesus (pbuh) submitted his will to the Almighty, that's Islam mahn, so who are you following?
Satan or st Paul, oh sorry the two might be the same

advocatejare:
Don’t worry I will answer all your questions but you must answer mine before I answer you. You can’t leave my questions unanswered and expect me to answer yours.

Prove that your Quran is complete and that you don’t need ahadith to practice Islam by answering these questions:


Show me in the Quran where Fajr, Dhuhr, Asr, Maghrib and Isha are mentioned directly and not as inferred by the translators!

Show me the number of rakat for each of those prayer times from the Quran or just bury your head in shame!

Show me where shahada is written in the Quran with “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh” being part of it

Once again you're making me repeat and i know why you're doing that lmao

In short the two parts of the Shahadah are like the two sides of the same coin. One part states one’s acceptance of the One True God, which relates to one’s faith and conviction, which is inward. The other states one’s acceptance of God’s Messenger on earth, which relates to one’s commitment to live in obedience to God’s commandments, which expresses itself in one’s outward life as lived daily. That is why Allah in the Noble Qur’an commands: [Ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Apostle…] (Al-Anfal 8:20) [Say: “If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins …] (Al-Imran 3:31) [He who obeys the Apostle, obeys Allah…] (An-Nisaa’ 4:80) These verses make clear that the acceptance of the Prophet is the acceptance of Allah. This is because it is the Prophet who received the Noble Qur’an and brought it then to people. So, any person who questions the Prophet, is actually questioning Allah and His Qur’an. Hence, the affirmation of the prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh) is the natural corollary of the declaration of faith in Allah. In other words, the second part of the Shahadah derives its significance from the first; so it becomes incumbent on any one who accepts the first part of the Shahadah, to accept the second part too.

advocatejare:

Stop being cunning. Show me in the Quran where Fajr, Dhuhr, Asr, Maghrib and Isha are mentioned directly and not as inferred by the translators!

Show me the number of rakat for each of those prayer times from the Quran or just bury your head in shame!

Oh you skipped everything i wrote, i doubt if you even read them. In total there are around 67 verses in the Quran about Salat. These one’s are specifically the commandments of Allah which prescribe the daily prayers as being mandatory.

[30:17-18] So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon.

[11:114] And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.

[2:238] Maintain with care the [obligatory] prayers and [in particular] the middle prayer and stand before Allah, devoutly obedient.

[24:58] O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not [yet] reached puberty among you ask permission of you [before entering] at three times: before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing [for rest] at noon and after the night prayer. [These are] three times of privacy for you. There is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these [periods], for they continually circulate among you – some of you, among others. Thus does Allah make clear to you the verses; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.

[20:130] So be patient over what they say and exalt [ Allah ] with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and during periods of the night [exalt Him] and at the ends of the day, that you may be satisfied.

After being revealed to the prophet SAW, he then goes on to explain each and every verse which makes it easier for us to understand, meaning they are the teachings of prophet SAW (Hadith). For example there are several commentries of the Bible which explains further what a particular verse means. So of course the Hadith is very important in understanding some verses of the Holy Quran because of its pure literature.

These are things I've been sending to you but you keep making me repeat and i know why you're doing that, lmao. I get you don't have answers to my questions, cus if you had, you wouldn't keep on replying to four different messages with the same text

advocatejare:
Answer my questions that you’ve been avoiding


1. Show me how many Rakat for each prayer in your Quran

2. tell me where names of Muslims prayers are mentioned in the Quran not what they imply!

3. On shahada: where did you learn to include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh” into your shahada because the real shahada in the Quran doesn’t include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh”
?

In the previous verses i quoted for you to see regarding the names. Read below And see the meaning of the names and go back and read from the verses i sent, weren't they mentioned

Fajr (sunrise prayer), Dhuhr (noon prayer), Asr (afternoon prayer), Maghrib (sunset prayer), and Isha (night prayer). Each prayer has a specific window of time in which it must be completed. These timings are based upon the sun. For this reason, the timings of each prayer window change (marginally and gradually) each day and are different at various times of the year. The end timings of each prayer (except for the sunrise prayer) is marked by the beginning of the next prayer. We don't need a time piece to pray. Another reason why you're dumb, you don't know what to say, it's now names you're asking for, just baseless questions. You're not a good fit for me for a challenge or debate, people that know way more than you do have tried. Go and read your Bible mahn, you need knowledge. Find the father of Jacob (pbuh) and post, so that I'll show how you've been deceived

advocatejare:
I didn’t ask you to show me how prayers were confirmed:

Show me the name of those prayers in the Quran and the number of rakats per prayer and finally where Muhammad’s name was included in the shahada in the Quran!

Stop dodging the questions, I won’t allow you!

I gave you verses just like you asked, without even checking time we know when prayers should be observed. Was there time piece before, when the first generation prayed? You see why i said you're dumb, you're asking for time piece in the Quran, lmao

advocatejare:
Answer my questions that you’ve been avoiding


1. Show me how many Rakat for each prayer in your Quran

2. tell me where names of Muslims prayers are mentioned in the Quran not what they imply!

3. On shahada: where did you learn to include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh” into your shahada because the real shahada in the Quran doesn’t include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh”
?

An open minded Christian would understand. But seems you're dumb, or you just fooling around

advocatejare:
I asked you for a proof in the Quran and you’re here giving me proof from the same hadith that you’re condemning


You shamefully avoided answering my questions:

1. Show me how many Rakat for each prayer in your Quran

2. tell me where names of Muslims prayers are mentioned in the Quran not what they imply!

3. On shahada: where did you learn to include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh” into your shahada because the real shahada in the Quran doesn’t include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh”
?

I just showed you how the prayers were confirmed, you're not even doing well to answer the questions directed at you that's why you keep repeating questions, lmao.

Who brought about Christianity? This is another question since you can't answer previous once

advocatejare:
The rubbish you wrote didn’t answer my questions:

Let me ask you again:

You shamefully avoided answering my questions:

1. Show me how many Rakat for each prayer in your Quran

2. tell me where names of Muslims prayers are mentioned in the Quran not what they imply!

3. On shahada: where did you learn to include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh” into your shahada because the real shahada in the Quran doesn’t include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh”
?

Lmao, at this moment you don't know what to say anymore. I guess you should start answering my questions, cus i been doing the talking

advocatejare:
It’s written in that hadith above that the Quran was not compiled into a book when muhammad was alive and that was why Abu Bakr initially rejected the idea of writing the Quran into a book because muhammad didn’t do it or commanded it!

His companions during his lifetime were blessed, some with the knowledge to read and memorize, some with the knowledge to write. Everything was written down and memorised at that time but it was when he died they began to compile it together. Even before compilation they had to recite what they memorised over again to make it free of errors or corruption. And till today it has remained pure and free of corruption just as the Almighty SWT promised, he went on to challenge human kind to produce an equivalent of it if they could and upto now no one has ever, that's just to confirm to you that no man can corrupt the Holy Quran and i also challenge you to open and read the Quran if you'll ever find a single error or contradiction, unlike the Bible full of errors and contradictions, where prophets of God are given stories that do not fit a pious prophet e.g Enoch sleeping with his daughter etc. That's pure blasphemy, because if you know what prophethood means you'll all come back to your senses. Seek the truth and the truth shall free you

advocatejare:
So where did you learn to include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh” into your shahada because the real shahada in the Quran doesn’t include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh”



Don’t tell me what it refers to, tell me where such names are mentioned in the Quran not what they imply!


You shamefully avoided answering this one:
Show me how many Rakat for each prayer in your Quran

Regarding including muhammad (saw);
For example, in the Bible when Jesus (pbuh) said 'i am the truth, the way and the light, no one cometh unto thy lord except through me". You xtains judged the statement wrong and made it to be christ claiming divinity. He simply means he's a messenger sent to the children of Israel at that time, and how could you know about the Lord if not from him. So that's the same case with All the prophets, every prophet at his time was the way the the truth and the light, no one cometh unto thy lord except through them, because they carry the Almighty God's message, we wouldn't have known about God if not through them. So muhammad (saw) being the final and the last messenger, sent with the final message to the last community of human, whether xtains, pagans, idol worshippers. That makes him the truth and the way, and no one cometh unto thy lord except through him, that's why when calling the shahada you testify that there's no God worthy of worship except the one, the Almighty, the irresistible (Allah) and Muhammad through whom he sent the message to is the slave and messenger of Allah. Islam is the only monotheistic religion in the world, and every prophet came with the same message which is "O mankind, your God is only one, there's no one worthy of worship except him, so worship him alone". All the prophets believed in only one God, there's no prophet that ever mentioned the trinity not even Jesus (pbuh) neither did they preach Christianity. Christianity is a religion brought about by them st Paul and co who never met Jesus, is this the religion you've placed your salvation on? Seek the truth and the truth shall free you. Ask your pastors and uncover the truth for yourself, although they'll never tell you the truth but kick you out instead, your scripture itself said God cannot become a Man but because all of you don't read the Bible that's why it has been corrupted and you don't have the knowledge to see

advocatejare:
If it was written as a book before the death of muhammad, why did Abu Bakr say that he didn’t want to do what Muhammad didn’t do?

If everyone had memorized the Quran, why was Umar concerned that the death of a few memorizers would make the Quran to be lost?


Sahih al-Bukhari 4986
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

You still don't a proof that the Quran wasn't written in the lifetime of the prophet SAW. You keep asking the same questions mahn and you're just doing that to skip my questions, so if you don't provide answers for then why are we still talking about it

advocatejare:
So where did you learn to include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh” into your shahada because the real shahada in the Quran doesn’t include “ Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh”



Don’t tell me what it refers to, tell me where such names are mentioned in the Quran not what they imply!


You shamefully avoided answering this one:
Show me how many Rakat for each prayer in your Quran

The full history of the prayers were revealed to the prophet (SAW) on his night journey to the heavens. Lailatul Qadr. Read below

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) "Then Al-Bait-ul-Ma’mur (i.e. the Sacred House) was shown to me and a container full of wine and another full of milk and a third full of honey were brought to me. I took the milk. Gabriel remarked, ‘This is the Islamic religion which you and your followers are following.’ Then the prayers were enjoined on me: They were fifty prayers a day. When I returned, I passed by Moses who asked (me), ‘What have you been ordered to do?’ I replied, ‘I have been ordered to offer fifty prayers a day.’ Moses said, ‘Your followers cannot bear fifty prayers a day, and by Allah, I have tested people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel (in vain). Go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your followers’ burden.’ So I went back, and Allah reduced ten prayers for me. Then again I came to Moses, but he repeated the same as he had said before. Then again I went back to Allah and He reduced ten more prayers. When I came back to Moses he said the same, I went back to Allah and He ordered me to observe ten prayers a day. When I came back to Moses, he repeated the same advice, so I went back to Allah and was ordered to observe five prayers a day.

When I came back to Moses, he said, ‘What have you been ordered?’ I replied, ‘I have been ordered to observe five prayers a day.’ He said, ‘Your followers cannot bear five prayers a day, and no doubt, I have got an experience of the people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel, so go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your follower’s burden.’ I said, ‘I have requested so much of my Lord that I feel ashamed, but I am satisfied now and surrender to Allah’s Order.’ When I left, I heard a voice saying, ‘I have passed My Order and have lessened the burden of My Worshipers.”

advocatejare:
I hope you read the hadith I gave you!

You're done lmfao, still waiting for your response

advocatejare:
I gave you references from your sahih Hadith but you chose to give reference from Wikipedia above your hadith!

When did Wikipedia become a standard reference?

I hope you read the history, stop skipping it

advocatejare:


So Sahih Bukhari 4987 is not a hadith?
You’re just a liar like Allah the Al-Makireena the best of the deceivers!


So Uthman sent for the manuscript with Hafsa
"...So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies."... Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510 or 4987

This wasn't the only thing you wrote the first time mahn, once again you lie. And regarding this verse where does it say it wasn't written and memorised during the prophet SAW lifetime

advocatejare:
Who preached hate to the Sunni leaders to be killing Shias?

Mahn this is sunni militants, they don't care what you're... And for them God says in the Quran (whoever kills an innocent person is as if he has killed the entire human race) so you see how doomed they are. And then here comes my question - will Adolf Hitler go to heaven because Jesus already paid for his sin??

advocatejare:
It’s the same thing, muhammad said thieves and illegal sexual sinners will enter Islamic paradise as long as they believe in Allah


Sahih al-Bukhari 7487
Narrated Abu Dharr:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

Isn't it what i explained to you or are you repeating questions..

advocatejare:
Lordmoh I can see that you shamefully avoided answering these questions.

oro pesi je

I did already, check...

advocatejare:
Can you practice islam without the Hadith?

Show me in the Quran where shahada is recited like you do

Show me the names of the 5 Islamic daily prayers, the time they are observed and how many Rakat for each one in your Quran

Show me those ones first then I’ll take you seriously

The Quran is complete, everything you need to know about the Almighty, the past, what is to come, how to praise and worship the Almighty (SWT) etc... so without the Hadith, the Quran is still complete, then The Hadith is the teachings of the prophet (SAW) where he further explains everything for us. There are authentic hadiths which are from his trusted companions and there are also fake ones and the only way we know the authenticity of a Hadith is by checking the Holy Quran to confirm it. So of course you need to know the teachings of the prophet for further knowledge. I'll now provide verses for you. Shahada is a declaration of faith which is mentioned in the Holy Quran (47-19 la'ilaha illah Allahu , meaning, there's is no God but Allah) the rest of the Shahada is accepting Muhammad as the messenger and slave of Allah. So la'ilaha illa Allahu only is a declaration of faith but making it complete means you also believe in the messenger that brought the message. And then about the prayers I'll post the verses (11-114 And establish the Prayer at the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night. Indeed the good deeds drive away the evil deeds. This is a Reminder to those who are mindful of Allah." This refer to Salat al-fajr, Salat al-maghrib and Salat al-'isha. (50-39 Therefore, O Prophet (saws), bear with patience whatever they say, and keep up glorifying your Lord with his praise, before sunrise and before sunset. And glorify Him again in the night and also when are free from prostrations." This refer to Salat al-fajr, Salat al-asr and Salat al-'isha. (30:17-18 "So, glorify Allah in the evening and in the morning; all praise is for Him in the heavens and the earth- as well as in the afternoon and at noon." This refer to Salat al-fajr, Salat al-zuhr, Salat al-asr and Salat al-magrib.. you see how calmly I'm responding to questions and i wish you could do the same in answering mine but no, you always skip. I don't blame you tho, you have little knowledge about your religion, that's why you're not allowed to ask questions in the church

advocatejare:
I gave you references from your sahih Hadith but you chose to give reference from Wikipedia above your hadith!

When did Wikipedia become a standard reference?

You're a liar mahn, that wasn't a Hadith, once you know the meaning of a Hadith you'll know you're just making up things, lmao

advocatejare:
How can you Muslims submit to the same Allah when Shia kill Sunnis for the same Allah and vice versa?

Shia have leaders that preach hate into them, which makes them act otherwise. I have given you another answer, and still you can't answer mine lmao

advocatejare:
What did muhammad say about that ?

Sahih al-Bukhari 7487
Narrated Abu Dharr:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."


Muhammad said that the following people will be in Islamic paradise:
-Thieves
-Adulterers and fornicators

Lmao, i was expecting a verse from the Hadith, cus that's what you guys keep doing, you pick out one verse from the Hadith and then act without knowledge of it but that's not a problem, I'll tutor you now.

The prophet (SAW), here is indicating the oneness and uniqueness of the Almighty that as long as you believe and worship the one true God, praise him and Ask for his forgiveness, then he shall forgive you, Allah said in the Quran countless times that he is the beneficial the most merciful, but that should not encourage us to sin further. In Islam, there are certain major sins that God does not forgive and only he knows the punishments. He the Almighty also provided the punishments to be given to things you mentioned. All the solutions to your problems, every other problems are in the Quran, be guided

Mooh247:
You mean Jewish Yeshua son of Mariah , prophet of YahWeh the God of Jew, killed by European emperors

Or

You mean White European Jesus , published by European Colonial masters, Slave traders, Pagan Romans promotes by European Emperor Constantine


Let's know who you truly serve.. the white guy or the Jewish mesiah

Help me ask him. They killed christ and created a religion

Righteousness2:
Noted...
But it does not Matter your Faith,
It does not Matter your religion or religiousness,
It does not Matter your Philatropism,

If Eternal life in Heaven Matters to you, then You must BELIEVE on JESUS Christ, SURRENDER and ACCEPT HIM as your LORD and SAVIOR.

If Eternal life in Heaven does not Matter to you, then feel free to do otherwise.

If a child rapist believes in Jesus pbuh, will he go to heaven?? Jesus is not God, be guided

GreatAxeMan:
Is it a misquote or are you plain dumb? What is the sense in using a passage about the punishment of sin in the Bible to justify your god's insistence that his slaves must continue committing sin?

Here is the Hadith from sunnah.com. Maybe it was prophet Sex Award Winner (SAW) who misquoted himself!

https://sunnah.com/muslim:2749

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I called it a misquote because you just read verses without reading the commentry for further understanding, now check below



The ‘Ulama have explained that this Hadith should not be understood as an encouragement to sin. Instead, it highlights Allah Ta’ala’s mercy and forgiveness. This Hadith should be viewed as an encouragement for wrongdoers that have sinned, to repent and make tawbah.

Just as Allah Ta’ala loves showing kindness to those who do good, He also loves forgiving those who have done wrong.

Once you're done reading, can you please answer my questions on your Bible cus you keep skipping, lmao. I don't know why you guys don't bring out verses from Quran, you just focus on hadith, lmao

advocatejare:
Foolishness is in your gene for trying to tell me what I believe! Are you me?

I'm not you but i know everything about your religion and scripture, lmao. You keep bringing hadiths, why haven't you brought up any verse from the Quran

advocatejare:
Muhammad died in 632 AD

Abu Bakr the first Caliph ruled for 2 years during which he started the first compilation and he completed it before he died and kept it.

The second caliph Umar ruled for 10 years from 634-644AD and he was in custody of manuscripts until he died after which Hafsa his daughter kept custody of it.

During the rule of Uthman (who ruled 12years after Muhammad had died) that is more than 12 years after the first Quran was compiled. Uthman ruled for 12years so in between those 12 years while he was ruling, people called his attention to the different ways people were reciting the Quran (which has been the norm even when Muhammad was alive and he didn't think of unifying the Quran into one dialect because Muhammad himself said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects)


But Uthman decided to unify the Quran into one standardized version when neither Allah nor Muhammad gave him such Instruction when he was alive.

So Uthman sent for the manuscript with Hafsa
"...So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham [b]to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies."... Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510 or 4987


So Uthman then ordered his scribes to write the new Quran in the dialect of the Quraysh and when they were done with their editing and standardization they buried the evidence of their alterations by burning the evidence.


"...'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, [b]be burnt..." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510


Hence the Quran sent to all provinces were compiled during the reign of Uthman who started ruling 12 years after Muhammad died and ruled for another 12 Years and the compilation and editing was done within his 12 Years of rule, which was 652 A.D. 20years after Muhammad had died

Also, as at that 652 A.D. there was no diacritical marks in Arabic language, it only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran

The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:
Fathah = ah
Dhammah = oo
Kasrah = ii

None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them

That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received

WHERE IS THE QURAN GIVEN TO MUHAMMAD?




If you ask a Muslim to bring a Quran he will bring out one of the 25 versions of the Quran [b]That means all the current Quran you have in the world today are fake because Utman destroyed all the other Qirats and gave you only one Qirat but 300 Years after, ibn mujahid synthesized the new 7 Qirats from nowhere and that's the source of the Quran you're reading today.[/b]After the compilation they burnt other manuscripts of the Quran which was against what Mohammed said, Mohammed said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects but after Uthman and Zayd were done with their fabrications they burnt all the other Quranic manuscripts including the other dialects of revelation. The instructions to burn the other manuscripts was never given by Muhammad before he died nor by Allah, Zayd and Uthman only acted on their own accounts, and they burnt the evidence to cover up their fabrications and gave the Muslim world the revised edition of the Quran. But the Shia were angry because they knew the Quran had been corrupted. The Muslims continue to read Uthmanic codex of the Quran until 934 AD when ibn mujahid read that Muhammad actually said he received the Quran in 7 different dialects but since Uthman and Zayd had burnt the other dialects up, ibn mujahid then created his own 7 dialects of the Quran which are Nafi; ibn Kathir; ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hafs; Hamzah; al-Kisai.In 1924 in Cairo Egypt, The Hafs manuscript was edited into the Quran you have today.Hence today's Quran is not the same as the one Mohammed received, it's not the same as the one Uthman and Zayd fabricated, it's a different one entirely. Go and learn my friend


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Zc67FrpWU

Copied and pasted from another anti-islam, lmao.

You just skipped this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran because you just love lying

advocatejare:
That’s why Sunnis and Shias are killing one another right?

I’m happy that you agree that Islam has sects, which means that Allah lied that Islam is one in surah 23:52

Submitting your will to the one and only true God. Islam is one. The sects is division in beliefs regarding the prophets but one religion. I've made it clear for you once again but you continue to skip mine, tell me about the sects in your religion (st Paul's religion)

GreatAxeMan:
My religion says that God created Man with PERFECTION but Man corrupted creation and sin came into the world as a result of man's disobedience to God and obedience to Satan.

Your religion on the other hand says that allah will commit genocide against his slaves if they refuse to commit sins and he will replace them with loyal sinners!

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Your god murders people for not sinning. Mine punishes them for sinning no matter who they are.

And yet again another misquote lmao. Read below and see the sins punishable by death in your religion (st Paul's religion). Whenever you decide to have sense, you'll know that there's only one God, he created me and you but you chose to follow the words of st paul, st Matthew, st luke

GreatAxeMan:
Sin is sin. There's no such thing as minor or major sin and even if there was such a distinction, it isn't the duty of an alleged supreme being to inject sinfulness into the lives of his wretched slaves.

The Hadith clearly says that it is allah who fixed the adultery into the lives of his slaves. Christianity teaches that sin only comes from Satan. In fact for us Christians, the word SIN is an acronym which means Satanic In Nature

So if allah is the organizer of sin, what does that make him?

I have given you a summary of the verses you Quoted but you're still quoting out of context. Be guided, it's your religion that says every human is born with sin or don't you know about your religion again. So you mean every sin in your religion is the same? For example, As long as a rapist believes in Jesus pbuh, means he's going to heaven?

advocatejare:
Quote where I wrote that Jesus is God, you’re just confused and acting like a drowning man looking for a straw to hold on to!

That's your religious beliefs, are you now running away from it, lmao