While we are yet sinners Christ died for us.

Why did he die? So his blood cannot deliver us from hell?

I will not allow you insult the Precious Blood of Jesus.

Mobi47:
OK thanks but u hv to do more bible studying, u will understand. That's if u want to understand anyways cos understanding is still a choice.

This is internet age dude.

Go ask google about arch atheist who later turned to God. It is not his will and knowing that any should perish.

If you know the condition of Nigeria and that Boko Haram can kill you and your children, why bother getting married and raising family?

Reality11:


Are you suffering from aphasia?
How does what you wrote relates to my questions?


Since God is omniscient why would he send his son to die for me, why would he make efforts to save me if he already knew I'll end up in hell? Why send me to earth again, to change my mind? When he already knew that I won't change? Why all the efforts?

I see you don't believe in God. So why bother yourself with this important question.

But let me presume you believe in God (a supreme being) and answer.

You have free will. You can decide to kill yourself with electricity or cook yam with the same electric.

So it is not God knowledge that determines who go to hell or heaven. It is your choice.

God knows that all men shall end up in heaven. But if you choose to go to hell, that's your responsibility.

This is what the Bible preach

Reality11:


Am not asking you whether God gave me an option or not.

Here is my questions
So the bolded
If God knows I'll end up in hell since before he created the world and me, is it possible I'll not end up in hell?

And
If the number God knows is 100, is it possible 99 would enter?

The air does not need you, you need the air. If you pretend otherwise you die.

Secondly, if you don't know your purpose in this life then you are useless to our generation.

Third, I was an atheist like you until I read goegraphy.

If you remain an atheist after geography then you are simply insane.

Reality11:


Good


I beg to differ, because the core principal of religion is to worship and obey God, so why much emphasis on worship?

Besides the Bible made it clear that praise and worship would be made onto him in heaven for eternity, I wonder how/why worship is so important to him that he'll need it to this extend.



Did he know that I won't heed to his warning and threats, right? And am very sure I'll die as an atheist so am facing the music (hell)

So if he knows this why bringing me when he knows I'll die as a heathen and go to hell, why not just dump me in hell and save himself the stress of dying and trying to save me. Why do I have to come here again, to change my mind or what?




Choice?

Its like a thief robbing someone, he pointed a gun and asked, your money or your life? You resisted and he took your life
And he boosted that you chose the option for yourself. First of all you didn't even ask for options. he is just a bully and this how you portray your God. No one asked for he's options

So my question still remains why bringing the hell citizens here and then makes efforts to save them, by sending preachers, prophet, warning, threats etc?

To change our minds? Or is he not omniscient to know that we'll never change?

What am trying to point out is that the idea of your God is man-made and absurd.

Mobi47:
praying for the dead is different from what king Saul did to Samuel.

Your quote about faith and work is even a different thing. Yes, heaven is a gift and you have to work for it. Just as faith without work is death. You can't say because u have faith in God, you won't do the right thing and still make heaven. You must work for it. If u want to understand faith and work better, read the book of James.

You are a confused man. If you work for for it, it is reward for work. Simple.

I leave you with your confusion

If heaven is a gift based on Jesus precious death and eternal redemption then THERE IS NO PURGATORY.

if heaven is a reward for what you did then there is purgatory where you will pay for the ones you did not do well.

If you claim that it is both gift and reward you are a deceiver and Antichrist.

See this text

Ephesians 2:8-9
[8]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9]Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Maccabees and Eph 4:8 you qouted has nothing to do with purgatory.

If Judas Maccabees pray for the dead and we are encouraged to do so remember that Saul also consulted witchcraft so you must aslo encourage it too

Mobi47:
Jesus after his death, descended into Hell/ beneath the earth..and freed some souls in a place called prison. Some Bible termed it hades. The word purgatory is not mentioned in the bible, just as the the word "bible" or "Trinity is not seen as a word in the bible, but we believe in Trinity. Jesus preached to them when he got there. He can't preach to people in hell fire na, so the place he went to, have a name...and it is not heaven. Remember, a prisoner would either remain life in prison or be freed at a certain period.

Purgatory is a place, where people who were not able to make it to heaven, would be sent to be purged off their sin before they can make it to heaven. It is not easy to make heaven because u must be 100% pure.
That's why as Christians we are encouraged to pray for our dead friends, etc so that their sins could be forgiven and then been taken up to heaven. There are many cases where dead friends, relatives, etc appeared to someone that has been praying for them and appreciated their prayers, for they were taken up to heaven because of the players of mercy offered to God.

In the book of Maccabees, there is a place were it reads that Christians prays for the dead. So why would they pray for someone who has died for long....what is the essence of the prayer? I guess you know. In Eph 4;8-9 Paul also confirmed what Peter said, that Christ descended beneath the eath. Which means that where he went to is not heaven, which is above. Heaven is a paradise and it is above not below.

Now in the book of Matthew 5, Jesus was preaching about anger (he was preaching in parables) He said its better you settle your faults with the person u have issue with, in other to avoid been put in prison. In verse 26 he said, " there you will stay until you have paid the last penny"

Mark the word Until...meaning, your days in that prison is not forever. You will be freed when you have finished paying the penny from the punishment your will receive in that prison.

That's why we are encouraged to pray for the souls of those in purgatory, our prayers can make God to reduce their punishment and have mercy on them, free them and take them up into heaven. Don't expect to find the word purgatory in the bible, u can't see that just like the word Trinity etc that we Christians believe in.

This teachings has been explained by the saints, the early disciples and apostles of Christ, through their divine wisdom. The bible is not to be read like a novel or story book. Their are a lot of things in the bible that requires divine wisdom of the the Holy Spirit, before you can understand them.

Uptil now, some Christians doesn't believe that Jesus is God, some don't even believe in hell, Trinity etc. All these requires divine wisdom before it can be understood.

When you are doubting any christianity teachings, just follow the teachings of the saints Happy Sunday to u.

Electricity works in mysterious ways because you're ignorant of it. Waves works in mysterious ways because of your ignorance.

So also God for you.

Perhaps you don't know God and that is why you falsely accuse him of working in mysterious ways.

Instead of hating what you don't understand why not bend down to understand it.

hakeem4:
he works in a mysterious way!!!

i wonder why religious people bother to pray, if in the lords prayer it says "let your will be done on earth"

oh!!!! i get it god forgets a lot, so he needs people to remind him via prayers

God knew from time immemorial that there will be Nairaland.

He knows that nairaland will be used to promote faith in him and others promote atheism.


He knows u will write this text at this time to promote hatred of him.

Your hate of him adds nor removes anything from him.

He knows as you know the consequences of your actions.

he also knows you will disobey and face the music. In his love he provided solution to help you out.

And to prove his love for you he sent a solution, a way out for the son he loves.


IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO OBEY OR REJECT.

Jesus Christ is the way out

Reality11:
God is omniscient as acclaimed by both Muslims and Christians.

Does this means he knows the total number that would die from natural disasters, starvation, war, get raped or that he'll burn in hell?

Why is there need for believing, conversion, preaching, giving out rules and laws since the the omniscient god knows the exact figure he'll burn?

If he knows the exact numbers even before creating the world, how would the aforementioned change the numbers? Is he acting on a script?

Use your brain, the ideas of religion is ridiculous, man made and full of absurdity.

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