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2old4that:
Am impressed! But its hard to keep discipline atimes. 

thats why its called discipline dear; must be disciplined to keep to discipline

much as I know, u are as good as new. you're welcome.

good to know territories are still maintained here, weldone.

Dear Pilgrim,

My request was for u to substantiate your claims that the person of Jesus existed before his incarnation with more reference. When I say the person of Jesus, I mean an entity seperate from the father.

I never would seperate Jesus from the Word because he was the word. He was the very Word of God from the beginin up until when he became flesh and was revealed to us as Jesus. . Hey, I am not a scripture guru FYI, so don't think i'm trying to play one here. I only share what i have seen and known. This is the reason for my request (I could learn).

John 8:58, like i said before, He was revealing that he is God and not dealing with time here or how long he has been. Thats why they picked up stones wanting to stone him for committing blasphemy. .

The Word was always the Word (John 1) but was revealed in person when He came to earth, tho He had been and still is God. Now outside Him been the Word, I don't know How else he was revealed. which again is why I said you should tell me with references. You Know what? God is just too much! Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God yet there was one Jesus called his father. They are all the same. We only can tell who in the Godhead is operating by their characters.

Going back to where we began, the Angel of His presence as in Isaiah 63 Vs 9 is the Holy Spirit as clearly stated in the next verse. Well, Exodus makes it clearer in the 23rd Chapter and Vs 20-23. Talking about that same Angel, it says - Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

Exd 23:21  Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him.

Exd 23:22  But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. 

hear what Jesus said.

Mat 12:31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mat 12:32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

Christ being the spiritual rock that followed the Israelites connotes the presence of God (which comes with an anointing)carried alone by the Angel of His presence - the Holy Spirit. Jesus also said He (the Holy Spirit) would take of mine and declare it to you - John 16:15.They work together for same purpose. This Angel has not changed - In our meetings, He is the one that brings that presence of God. When we go out or come in, he is right there with us. Our conferences, rivivals or crusades, whatever, He brings God so real and miracles take place. He is called the one that proceeds from the father yet he is every whole God and is manifested everywhere the name of God is mention at the same time. This is the ministry of this Angel.

Whatever manifestaion of these persons of the Godhead, they are still the same one God.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=61317.msg1526387#msg1526387 date=1190645109]@lysaa,
Well, I think that has been done previously and several times as well.[/quote]how come i didn't get it? well, thats exactly why i said u should buttress ur point.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=61317.msg1526387#msg1526387 date=1190645109]* By the question above, what are you suggesting? It would sound to me as though
one was questioning the 'existence of Jesus before the incarnation' - which would
seem the very reason why you'd want me to elaborate on that with references.[/quote]I am asking u, if u call it questioning His existence before I could have an answer, so be it. But I need an answer from u.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=61317.msg1526387#msg1526387 date=1190645109]Nonetheless, please carefully consider again the implication of Jesus' word to the Jews: 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.' (John 8:58)

* What is the main thrust of trying to distinguish between the Jesus in the NT and the
very Christ who was manifested in the OT before the Incarnation? I often hear some
people make this assertion that there was no Jesus before He was born in the NT;
but I also wonder if such people have taken the time to explain the fact that even He
Himself categorically affirmed that He existed before He was born in the NT.

Looking forward to yours. Cheers.[/quote]Now that's the thing, Amplifying the verse of scripture that says 'the word became flesh' referring to the person of Jesus wouldn't mean any harm would it?
Looking carefully at the statement of Jesus in the bk of John 8:58 You'd see that he wasn't particular about longevity but a person that revealed himself to Moses as the 'I AM'. First the english is wrong cos he would have said 'I was" but he chose 'I am' and that triggered the action in the next verse. Those people Understood the names of God. He (God) dealt with them revealing His names. You know, I am Jehovah your healer, more than enough and so on.
2ndly in my Bible, I am is in caps. It wasn't a mistake.

I just need you to oblige to my request. thanks

none of the above, thanks

just want to tie u around for fashion

as if i didnt know, now u sound as little as ur pic

what gives rise

to unwanted pregnancy +

Aids if careless.

you ok now?

hello guys, whats going on here?

hey guys, whats going on here? I want to learn pls, how do u do it? cos i don't my primes anymore than tens not to say thousands. pls SOS ASAP!

lust blooms hell

cute little U

hey pilgrim,

Can u pls elaborate on ur point on the exisitence of Jesus before incarnation with references?

thats so caring of u but i never run out of it, its a matter of discipline

wait a min, thats not all, i know u like i know u. . of course u know who i am 

lol, yeah like awuf money. .

i'd rather take precaution against both

It has come to my notice that some children here have been playing with my name, would u stop before i whoop ur behind! just say yo momma and i'll get it. Its disrespectful to mention my name ok?

Sorry guys, my system has been down hence my reply coming this late. .

Idk who but the reference to Christ Embassy was not fair, read it again. Do not want to pull an argument from that please. Even if there is any teaching peculiar to Christ Embassy, it does not warrant those names.

I did not imply that whenever, which means all the time the word Christ is used it referred to the anointing. I said the word Christ is used interchangeably for both the person of Jesus and the anointing. The word Christ is from the root word Christos meaning the anointed and also means messiah. It’s not a surname of Jesus but an adjective that describes Him and His ministry. . His office, like a title. I was very clear and I wonder why u missed me.

Whether the focus of the bible is on Jesus, does not change anything because He is God. He is the express image of the Father, and He said of the Holy Spirit that He is just like Him. They are one and the same.
So what are we talking about?

Fallacy of my logic? There u go! Meanwhile, Christ refers to the anointing on the person of Jesus. He is Jesus the Christ meaning Jesus the anointed. This anointing has been before Jesus was introduced in the NT. Like I said in my previous post, God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power. Acts 10:38-9. Would one be called the anointed without the anointing? He was born of a woman, hence he was 100% man, Hebrews 4:15 says “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” . At the same time 100% God. As a man, He had to be anointed to operate in His office. Luke 4:18-19.

I notice that the difficulty seems to be the seed that has been sown in the minds of those who see only the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, but are persuaded that the Son did not exist until the New Testament.

No dear, the difficulty is in not seeing from this clear light (view)
Who is disregarding any of the Persons of the Godhead? Is it not true that the Word was introduced as a son and Jesus only in the NT? He had being the Word that created the world. John 1:1-4, 1 John 1:1- 3; 5:7
Not until His birth on earth, the name Jesus was not given. For the record, I strongly believe in the Trinity.

There were manifestations of Christ in the OT but the person of Jesus, separate from the Father, was revealed in the NT. And yes again, there are places in the bible where Christ was not used in reference to the person of Jesus but to the anointing. I made this clear when I said Christ was interchangeably used giving few examples.

and u nko?

who told you?

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@ moondust did u mean Big brother?
Justice and Jeff are up for possible eviction on sunday. .

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@ info
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