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Even this person whom I believe was a doctor gave up on you that time... 6 years later and u are still as dumb as ever... Lol
I'm posting this throwback so everyone can see ur stupid motive...
This, also shows that I shouldn't waste my time on u...
Good day.

Nigga has been obsessed with doctors for the past 6 years ... If I was to follow ur stupid lies that time, I wouldn't have been where I am today...
Thank God for the doctors that took their time to enlighten me about the profession while u were spreading hate all around...
U claim u wrote jamb 2 decades ago, but u are still one of the dumbest people I have met on nairaland, how ironic...

sgtponzihater1:
Not me that is slow in learning.

I don't live a lie, and it's hurtful to see people swim in one.

Congrats that you are an aspiring dentist or maybe a just graduated one

Others who are yet to become Dentist have the right to know that Dentistry is totally different from MBBS. It is not a specialty under Medicine, so they cannot aspire to do any of the Medical specialties if they decide later on. That Dentistry is a distinct course with its own specialties.

Finally that while Dentistry is a prestigious course, Dentists are not Medical Doctors.

The truth is a sometimes a hard but to chew.

All the best

PonziHater

Lol... Says someone that goes as far as concocting lies just drive his point... Every aspirant deserves to know the truth... If I was to follow the rubbish u were saying 5 to 6 years ago about Medicine and even Dentistry with ur former monika (sgtponzihater), I would have made the worst choice of my life... Thanks to people who took out their time to put you in your rightful place as at then... I knew you, bro. You are of the impression that Doctors, whether MBBS or BDS are proud, and so u do all u can to paint them as bad... But hey, if it pains u so much, simply write a new jamb and get admission into either of them, it's a free world...
The internet never forgets.

sgtponzihater1:
You are less enlightened. 1.5 years difference in training or 2weeks difference in training makes no difference. Your certificate is BDS and not MBBS.

All the best

PonziHater

Go back to what he wrote up there and read again. Seems u are very slow in learning. And about the certificate, I wouldn't have it any other way...

sgtponzihater1:
Another well cooked up perversion of truth.
Dentists are not medical Doctors. Doing some courses with medical students does not equate them to medical doctors.

Anatomy and physiology curriculum for the first 3years is same with Medicine but does not make them half Medical Doctors.

Dentistry is not a specialty in Medicine, all MBBS holders are capable to aspiring to all the specialty in Medicine. Rather Dentistry is a separate course with its own specialty.

A Dentist is not licensed to diagnose and treat general medical problems, and his license and indemnity does not cover this in anyway.

Scoring more than Doctors in Anatomy, physiology, biochemistry etc does not make a dentist a doctor. I am sure some Anatomy students of given the same Anatomy MB exams would score better than the borderline Medical student.

Board exams means USLME, AMC, PLAB, etc, and Dentist are not qualified for this because they are note medical doctors, but Dentists/Dental Doctors or surgeons with a different and unique pathway.

Dentist are not better in anyway to Medical Doctors, and these kind of phrases are only borne out of a feeling of inferiority. No man, no matter his profession is superior or better than another. All men must know their path, and stay their course, without infringing on the path of another, like the above Dentists daily thrive to do.

All of us must be rich if we persevere, and to every man there is a finish line, good or bad.

Safe

PonziHater

Chaii... See as that writer explicitly described the dentistry for u, and u couldn't make sense of it... Did u read what he wrote at all?? Coz U keep exhibiting a gross ignorance, no matter what...
The guy told u that dental students only spend 1.5 years out of their 6-7 years in school specializing in the oral region, and u still went ahead to say they only did 3 years medical curriculum (thought u knew maths at least)... He went further to tell u about the performance of BDS students and u went ahead to twist it. When we all know that he spoke about the performance because u were undermining the training that BDS students got.
How u reason baffles me, on God... Even a secondary school student would have understood the writers point of view..
U need to understand that nobody is here to argue with u, and nobody is here to impress u....
If u have doubts, ask... Don't be spewing trash and claim it's LOGIC... The more u talk, the less enlightened u appear...

Nozino:
Lol. Comparing Dentistry in America to the nonsense practiced in Nigeria. You know that America has several dentals school and graduating over 2k dentist yearly right? Let Nigeria try it.

Like the average Nigeria has ever been to the Dentist. Thank God For NMA. For Conmess for dental Residency etc if not, an Opticians office will generate more revenue than a dental office.

About the last paragraph... I agree with you that there is lack of oral health awareness in Nigeria...
That's why an average Nigerian doesn't visit the dentist for regular check up until the condition becomes severe... Then, when the condition becomes severe, u see a single person spending 100k+ on dental treatment...

Let's do the maths.
So, instead of 100 people going for regular check where they may just spend 2k or there about, totaling about 200k for the 100 people..

Out of these 100 people, maybe 90 would get lucky while 10 (few) develop severe dental problems... These 10 people would end up spending above 70k+ each, trying to treat themselves, amounting to about 700k+ for the 10 patients...
So, u see, it's not about the numbers that troop in...

My point is that prevention is cheaper than cure...

Nozino:
He obviously knows what Dentistry benefits from medicine. PP Dentistry is almost non existent in this country.

It is almost non existent because only few dentists are available... Last session, my school graduated only 13 dental surgeons... Another beauty of it is that it is not saturated in Nigeria, providing so many opportunities with less competition...

All these and more were factors I checked while doing a thorough research on dentistry even before applying for it... So, I don't need no lecture on my course of study...

sgtponzihater1:
The goal post shifted to money and prestige

You are calling yourself medical doctor for fame and sheer pride, not money. Dentists in Nigeria gain alot from tagging along with medical doctors. From Conmess payment, to becoming head of MDCN and hospitals, to receiving the same salary in housemanship despite doing less calls etc.

Outside housemanship it a different thing. Many cling on to residency, and government for dear life. Those who find themselve in PP, and not able to bag a government job know how the thing goes

All the best

Chaii..... Where did the goal post shift to? The guy was comparing dentistry in Nigeria to dentistry in US? What parameter/variable should I have used?? Damn!!
As for the CMD part, if u have a problem with it, take it up with the NMA... I see u want to start the NMA/JOHESSU feud here...

sgtponzihater1:
After editing your comment?
The only sense of a specialist is doing further training.

If not an accountant is a specialist in accounting, an optometrist is a specialist in the eyes. Stop decieving yourself and gullible people.

Stay your course and succeed.

A Dentist can be a Doctor depending on the law of a country, but is not a Medical Doctor until he studied MBBS.

God for all

I edited my post? Can't u check ur quote for the original post? I don't have anything to gain by being dishonest here, bro...

As for ur last paragraph; We have Doctor Dental Medicine or Doctor of Dental Surgery (DMD/DDS {BDS equivalent}), Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) and Doctor of Medicine (MD {MBBS equivalent}).... Nobody is arguing this with u... We have discussed this before

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sgtponzihater1:
You said a dentist is a specialist because he studied only about the mouth.

I told said to be a specialist in Dentistry you need further specialist training. Why do you keep turning in cycles?

All the best

U just keep repeating it... Go check my post, I didn't modify it... U would see we are saying the same thing here...
U keep going back and forth...

Nozino:
You honestly don’t want me to answer that question. Check PP Dentistry then you’d get your answer.

Okay. Let me do ur homework for u... Dentists in the UK and USA are among the highest paid professionals, and one of the most prestigious professions in the two countries.... Now, these two countries have a different body for dentistry...
Now, tell me how Nigerian dentist is doing any better than the USA dentist by benefitting from the medicine politics in Nigeria....Get ur facts right, my guy...

sgtponzihater1:
Here a link again from your almighty Wikipedia. Hope this puts you to ease. All the best

isn't it the same thing as what I typed up there? Now I'm convinced u don't even read through my post...

Nozino:
I’d rather be a Podiatrist than a Dentist. Dentistry benefits from the politics played by medicine.


Even the UK you’ve been quoting, has different associations for the two very different professions.

U would rather be a podiatrist in the USA? Good for u. I'll still choose to be a dentist in the USA... Someone else may choose to be a lawyer in USA... It's called "individual preferences"...
Now, since u brought that up, between UK dentist and Nigerian dentist which one earns better? Then tell me how Nigerian dentists are benefitting from the politics...

sgtponzihater1:
Is this a huge joke? You have to be on a specialist register to be a specialist. The MDCN has specialist register, if you are not in there you know you are definitely not a specialist.

Same with any other system world over

Specialist in this sense denotes having expertise on a particular region of the body (oral cavity) [first definition from the dictionary below]... I also went further to mention that u would have to do ur residency in any of the dental specialty to become a consultant (which is where u would be recognized as a dental specialist by the MDCN/NMA {second definition})...

Nozino:
What would Optometrist and US trained Podiatrist say? Do you know that American trained podiatrists are DPMs? Do you know they perform surgery? Do you know that they aren’t medical doctors?

U just don't get the uniqueness of dentistry, do u? The work of a podiatrists can also be handled by an orthopedist or general surgeon... The work of an optometrist can also be done by opthalmologist... And orthopedist and ophthalmologist usually take precedence over podiatry and optometry...

But when it comes to the oral cavity, dental surgeons are the sole specialists... U gerrit?? If u don't gerrit...
hate to come off as if I'm bragging...Lol

U earlier spoke of association with medicine as a privilege....Oh, no!!
Since u graduated with HND lower credit in mechanical engineering, why not also try associating ur HND with medicine (maybe u would be added to MDCN)... Since u think the association isn't for a cause...

sgtponzihater1:
As a BDS graduate you are not yet a specialist. You would need further residenncy training to become a specialist, and become on the specialtist register.
A fresh Dental graduate would only be a generalist or a dental officer.

Stop decieving the public.

Hope all goes well

When u graduate as a dental surgeon, u are already a specialist of the oral cavity (that's the difference between MBBS and BDS)... And that's why ur general physician would refer cases that need oral care to the dental surgeon...

Then a dental surgeon may further do his residency in any of the dental specialties, such as Oral and Maxillofacial surgery, oral pathology, public health dentistry, paediatric dentistry, oral radiology etc, after which he becomes a consultant in the chosen specialty...
We have discussed this before, u just keep taking us in circles...

"Deceiving the public"? Says someone who went as far as concocting a story just to drive home his point... Lol

Nozino:
The only thing Dentistry has going for her is her association with medicine. If not……

When u are able to separate the oral region from the rest of the body regions, we would talk about that...

Nozino:
In my experience, medical students do this only when they want to help BDS feel better about themselves.

Dentistry isn’t a sub class of medicine. Dentistry should be Dentistry. The Dr and Surgeon analogy doesn’t quite fit in this case.


I’m yet to see a medical student slightly equate their profession with Dentistry. But for Dental students, the validation seeking is took much. Every time, we share sane faculty with medical students, we too y courses with medical student, I’m both a medical practitioner and dentist. The only health cases I can’t handle are gynecology/pediatric cases etc. MBBS don’t do this.

"when they want to help BDS feel better about themselves"?? Lol... That's so lame... If I wasn't proud of my course of study, I wouldn't be having this discussion with u, would I??

sgtponzihater1:
Be open to learning . Read your link, all the specialties are written at the end, if that helps. The title Mr is a postgraduate qualification.

Your link eventually went on to talk about consultant status. Read and understand first before sharing a link.

Thanks

"Went on to talk about consultancy status"?? ... Is it not right there? Is it so difficult to say it as it is? Damn!! Let me help u out...
It said "It is sometimes assumed that the change of title implies consultant status"... Note the bolded... It goes to show that when one is called a Mister, he is regarded as a specialist (and who is the specialist of the oral cavity and it related structures??)...
I notice how u like to pick what u feel would favor ur views, while disregarding what u should learn...

sgtponzihater1:
Mr is a postgraduate qualification title and not a fresh BDS graduate title.

All the best

Is a fresh BDS graduate not a dental surgeon? Is the term "dental surgery" not on the list up there??
Oh, now u want to distinguish between a fresh dental surgery graduate and a post graduate? I laugh at ur ignorance...

sgtponzihater1:
None will answer this question. Dentistry is a totally different faculty from Medicine. They know it, but would rather wallow in lies and self glorification

You wish... The guy asked a question, which means he's willing to understand the subject matter.... That's opposite to what u have been doing here.....
Now that I sent u screenshots debunking what u lied about, u pretend not to have seen it... I've no business with you shaa... I'm only hear to enlighten the public with facts about dentistry..

Nozino:
Quick question: why don’t medical students want to be roped with dental students? Why don’t we hear “I took same courses with dental students? Im in dental school? Etc from medical students?


About the number of students admitted into MBBS/BDS programs, my point is that if these department admitted a high number of students, they won’t be grouped together and all this “ I took x courses with medical students so I’m a medical student or in medical school “ won’t be applicable.

U have never heard an MBBS student say they took same courses with BDS students?? Well, I have heard it on different occasions... And that has nothing to do with low self esteem, it is them saying it as it is...
But u won't hear an MBBS student say he went to dental school because dentistry is often taken as a subclass of medicine... Just like u would hear that all surgeons are doctors, but not all doctors are surgeons...
All neuro surgeons can claim to be doctors, but not all doctors can claim to be neuro surgeons... Hope I've been explicit enough...

Nozino:
I agree with sgtponzi. The OP could easily have titled his experience accurately. You are a Dentist! Why not share your dental school experience? Why don’t medical doctors who share their experience say they want to dental school and took courses with dental students?


The shameful desire to Rope BDS and MBBS is tiring. All this I took a few courses medical students took. I sat in the same classroom as medical students screams low self esteem.


Most times Unis group this two together to save cost. Medical students could be 100 and dental students 50. It will be easily to lecture them together. If Medicine admits 500+ yearly and dentistry admits 500+, I’m certainly no one will group them together.

It is not low self esteem when it is being said as it is, bruh... If u read the OPs post, In the second paragraph, he boldly stated that he got admission to study Dental Surgery... It would have only been low self esteem if he had claimed to have gotten admission to study MBBS... And it wouldn't make sense for mbbs to take 500+ and BDS to also take 500+, that's why BDS is often seen as a specialty.
That ponter guy only wants to make a fuss out of it so he can drive his obsession with dentistry....

sgtponzihater1:
The reason why UK do not call Dentist Doctors is far off your analogy, and is again another of your lame attempt self glorification. Dentist do not have Mr as a title in the UK. You don't attain Mr title by doing a 5-6 years bachelor's degree. Mr is given to a surgeon who has completed Medical school, and then undergone further extensive training and has become a fellow of the royal college of surgeons.

The internet has made the world a global village and you could utilize it more before making "stony dull" allusions.

Hate me or like me, you won't be the first. What is always true is that, I shine light in the face of liars and it upsets them enough. There were myriads of naysayers like you calling me all sort of names in the height of the Ponzi scheme era, that you would think that they were right and I was wrong. In the end they all came back with a bloody nose. Because their heart was inherently evil, almost none came back to admit that they were wong. I still remember 2 people who did, and I consider them heaven bound.

I have helped thousands make positive, life changing decisions, and saved many from grinding themselves into penury. That's what I stand for, justice, equity and truth.

It's for the young dental aspirant to know from the outset, that studying Dentistry would not make them Medical Doctors, and as such be happy with the career decision they've chosen. Those who were decieved are probably the ones finding my very respectful allusions offensive.

My message it's simple A dentist is a Doctor, depending on the substantive law of a country, but are not Medical Doctors, and do not qualify to write any medical licensing exam.

Don't let the heading of this post fool you.

ChiefSgtPonzihater

horpeyemmi66 was right about the the mister tittle... U keep exposing ur gross ignorance.... U are telling us about the world being a global village...Lol... I think I have made more google searches about dentistry than you would ever make in ur life despite ur obsession with dentistry...

Anyway, the only reason I'm replying you is just to save those that are unaware and are willing to be enlightened, and who may be misguided by your lies and erroneous views.
Look at that picture from Wikipedia... It tells you why dental surgeons who are members of the the Royal college of surgeons are called Mister in the UK....
If it was just about u, I'll have just saved my energy...

horpeyemmi66:
Stop saying rubbish bro...I would have said more, but your case is that of a drowning man who even insults the person trying to save him from drowning.

When I told him this story, he went ahead to concoct a story of a dentist loosing his licence because he administered chemotherapy... He thought oral cancer would be out of bounds for a dental surgeon... And when u try to educate him, he prefers to wallow in his ignorance...

BlaqFaze:
I think you guys should quit arguing with the ignorant fellow above... he's not ready to learn

I have given up on him...

sgtponzihater1:
I remember the case where a Dentist whose license was withdrawn for administering chemotherapy. The patient did not die, yet MDCN withdrew his license from working beyond his level of training, as he was parading as a Medical Doctor.

Any MBBS Doctor can work in any medical specialty as a Junior or middle grade Doctor, but a Dentist cannot work as a Junior in OnG, paediatric, ENT, ortho etc, because he does not have the training of a medical Doctor. A medically trained person has the fluidity to work in any Medical specialty he wishes, But a Dentist does not

All the best.

You see, your problem is that you lie too much. Because I brought up a true life story, u now decided to concoct ur own story... The way you lie even disgusts me... Send me a link of the news where a dentist's license was withdrawn because he administered chemotherapy... Do you know that there are cancers of the oral cavity? Of course you don't know... If there is a cancer around the oral cavity, the best specialist to administer chemotherapy on that region would be dental specialist (OMF and Oral pathologist)...
Chaii, u lie too much!!... Tufiakwa!! U are too shameless abeg... Subahanallah
Abeg, don't quote me again sef... U are a very bad lier... And see you comparing podiatry and optometry to dental surgery...
Lol... Abeg, gettat...
Because your wife is a nurse, u are now feeling medically inclined...Lol...
Very disgusting lier... U just lost the little respect I had for u sef...

horpeyemmi66:
Does separating Medicine and Dental Surgery into different councils change anything? Does that separate the mouth/ Maxillofacial area from the body?

He is just naive... I remember a case where a dental therapist went to handle a procedure in place of a dental surgeon... In the course of the procedure, the patient unfortunately died... So, the therapist's error didn't just affect the patients mouth, it affected the whole body... The story went viral that year

sgtponzihater1:
A dentist is a dentist/dental surgeon at best, and A medical doctor is an MBBS/MBMbch/MD graduate. Easy peasy! I don't need a professorship to work this piece of info out. No need massaging anybodies ego. What I do agree is they are both pretigous courses, with a lot of respect attached to them. Medicine is probably the more stressful and carries the highest regard With maxillofacial the closest bridge to the 2 courses. But all professionals to their lane.

Best wishes

And a dental surgeon is a native doctor abii? Has any dental surgeon ever claimed that his course of study is MBBS and not BDS before?
Suit your self. I have so much to cover, and this discussion is just a distraction... "With maxillofacial the closest bridge"? U would just go on Google and be assimilating half baked information...What do u know about maxillofacial?
If e sure for u, come and do a second degree in any of them... Lol
Good day...

Froshchuksswart:
I’m 400L dental student currently doing my medicine and surgery shirt posting which I will complete in 500L after writing my Pharm and path exam

Omo a DENTIST is a Medical doctor and more...! They complete medicine and surgery, inshort what makes you a doctor is what you are able to cover what you are a able to read and the sacrifice you make towards covering different systems of the human body the more systems you cover the more you know, so if I’m able to join many ward rounds and know more about many cases and read about them I would be a good doctor...! Medical doctor is not just a term, it’s base on experience you have gotten okkay...?

Further more Dentist complete medicine and surgery in 500L And only study dentistry for 1 year which is final year, why will a dental surgeon treat you when their are many Mbbs doctors on call..? He would be probably be busy doing oral surgeries,That doesn’t mean he can’t treat you during an emergency okkay..?I just pray God gives me the strength to cover most systems and be able to diagnose and treat patients around me that present with different cases from different systems, that’s the Magic and Joy in It and not just a mere term I’m a Doctor and you cannot different between a patient who have COPD from a patient who have ASTHMA

in summary a BDS graduate is a medical doctor, a MBBS graduate is also a medical doctor, is just that the MBBS graduate will be busy going over and over again on those systems why a BDS doctor will be busy doing oral surgeries and surgeries in head and neck(a dentist is already a specialist)...

It’s just like saying a Dermatologist is not a doctor Because at some point doctors specialize and are free to forget other systems and focus on a system, dermatology can be regarded as systems same way head and neck or mouth can be regarded as a system that doesn’t mean these specialized doctors don’t know the general medicine and surgery

At first, I was wondering why a health professional would be so misinformed about the medical practice, until I found out that he actually studied finance in school and he has nothing to do with health... The guy knows nothing about the subject matter (he thinks he does)... He doesn't know, and he doesn't want to learn. It's just like discussing space science with a banker... He claims to know about the subject matter because he did Logic and critical thinking in part 1 General studies... Funny enough, his age mates who are professionals in the medical field would just read his post and laugh... They don't have his time... It is us that are still in training that waste our time trying to enlighten him... As for me, I've given up on him, mek I no loose focus...

sgtponzihater1:
All the best man. It's tough academic work going through the rigours of higher education that sometimes the lure of this new found learning blocks our mind to proper reasoning. It is to this cause that philosophy was introduced as a first year course to most science/health based students, so they can imbibe the culture of critical reasoning, objectivity, and sanity in raising arguments.

If BDS and MBBS are 2 different courses and I have highlighted this, without bias, then I see no wrong in what I have said. You can be a dentist, which I agree is a prestigious course but you'll end up being a Doctor and dental surgeon, but not a medic or medical doctors. This will definitely be highlighted again on your induction day God keeping you till then.

I wish you the best for your future, especially having gone through your similar phase (though different course) more than a decade ago.

Cheers

Yeah, I'm aware you studied Finance as an undergaduate, 10 years ago. Good for you.