Two things are equivalent does not mean they are the same.
Mbbs and BDS are equal in perspective but not the same in practice.
Life is bigger than all these arguments. Just respect the next person and the world will be a better.

sgtponzihater1:


I've been there and done that quite a while back, it's a whole gush of knowledge at a go and I can see why it leaves some undergraduates with a gush of "god complex".

Nigeria is unregulated. In a sane clime, a Dentist claiming to be a medical Doctor and that he can then treat cases based on student rotations can land you a suspension. Probity and uprightness is the first virtue that health care professionals should uphold, we should be able to tell patients and their relatives who we are, our precise roles, and the scope of the care that we can render, without seeming to confuse them or display ambiguity. If you then hold on to the fact that you are a Medical Doctor,even when your certificate and license says otherwise, you could lose your license, as you will be deemed to lack insight to your fault. This happens in all other western countries where Nigerians are trooping to ATM.

For the historical record. A dermatologist has to have studied Medicine and surgery to proceed to training in dermatology. A Dentist cannot do dermatology, no matter how many medical rotations he had, but would have to remain within the specialties that Dentistry offers e.g OMS, community dentistry, etc, this is because your course does not give you the carrying power to study the medical specialties, only MBBS does. Same way MBBS does not give Doctors the carrying power to study Dental specialties.

In the end there nothing intrinsically special about MBBS, BDS etc, it's all human science and we'll all drop these titles when our day is done. What makes it special is immersing ourselves thoroughly in what we do, and giving the most we can to society through the work of our hands.

All the best for your future, and I hope you find clarity in the path that you've chosen.

ChiefSgtPonziHater

Beyond your many lies and the number of times you have been exposed, you still shamelessly mention "probity" and "uprightness"? Virtues which the totality of your existence are a direct antithesis of.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

horpeyemmi66:

Beyond your many lies and how many times you have been exposed, you still shamelessly mention "probity" and "uprightness"? Virtues which the totality of your existence are a direct antithesis of.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Exposed for stealing, killing or doing what?

I have saved many of their fortune, back in the days, and I still get good wishes for that.

I have made indiscretions in life, like every other person, but never allowed this affect my sense of judgement and sense of truth and justice. My personal philosophy may differ from yours, but I have a right to my belief without being discriminated against. I stand always for truth, equity and justice and this pitches me constantly against the army of "yes men" that hover the world.

Patients are the number 1 priority for healthcare workers, and our personal agenda and relationships should never becloud our sense of judgement.

sgtponzihater1:


I've been there and done that quite a while back, it's a whole gush of knowledge at a go and I can see why it leaves some undergraduates with a gush of "god complex".

Nigeria is unregulated. In a sane clime, a Dentist claiming to be a medical Doctor and that he can then treat cases based on student rotations can land you a suspension. Probity and uprightness is the first virtue that health care professionals should uphold, we should be able to tell patients and their relatives who we are, our precise roles, and the scope of the care that we can render, without seeming to confuse them or display ambiguity. If you then hold on to the fact that you are a Medical Doctor,even when your certificate and license says otherwise, you could lose your license, as you will be deemed to lack insight to your fault. This happens in all other western countries where Nigerians are trooping to ATM.

For the historical record. A dermatologist has to have studied Medicine and surgery to proceed to training in dermatology. A Dentist cannot do dermatology, no matter how many medical rotations he had, but would have to remain within the specialties that Dentistry offers e.g OMS, community dentistry, etc, this is because your course does not give you the carrying power to study the medical specialties, only MBBS does. Same way MBBS does not give Doctors the carrying power to study Dental specialties.

In the end there nothing intrinsically special about MBBS, BDS etc, it's all human science and we'll all drop these titles when our day is done. What makes it special is immersing ourselves thoroughly in what we do, and giving the most we can to society through the work of our hands.

All the best for your future, and I hope you find clarity in the path that you've chosen.

ChiefSgtPonziHater

You have not been anywhere you are just a mumu that don’t have sense and doesn’t want to be enlightened

Froshchuksswart:




You have not been anywhere you are just a mumu that don’t have sense and doesn’t want to be enlightened

If at 400l you consider yourself enlightened by using unprintable words against those far ahead of you, then I fear for you. Men, including myself, have forged over and beyond but consider ourselves still voyagers and press on in utmost humility and sincerity of purpose, and will never speak against those above us.

It's the social media frenzy I guess, that makes us curse out at people who seem to give a different opinion. So I pardon you.

I still wish you the best for the future, and bless rather than curse you. May life be fair to you .

Over and out

Froshchuksswart:



I’m 400L dental student currently doing my medicine and surgery shirt posting which I will complete in 500L after writing my Pharm and path exam

Omo a DENTIST is a Medical doctor and more...! They complete medicine and surgery, inshort what makes you a doctor is what you are able to cover what you are a able to read and the sacrifice you make towards covering different systems of the human body the more systems you cover the more you know, so if I’m able to join many ward rounds and know more about many cases and read about them I would be a good doctor...! Medical doctor is not just a term, it’s base on experience you have gotten okkay...?

Further more Dentist complete medicine and surgery in 500L And only study dentistry for 1 year which is final year, why will a dental surgeon treat you when their are many Mbbs doctors on call..? He would be probably be busy doing oral surgeries,That doesn’t mean he can’t treat you during an emergency okkay..?I just pray God gives me the strength to cover most systems and be able to diagnose and treat patients around me that present with different cases from different systems, that’s the Magic and Joy in It and not just a mere term I’m a Doctor and you cannot different between a patient who have COPD from a patient who have ASTHMA

in summary a BDS graduate is a medical doctor, a MBBS graduate is also a medical doctor, is just that the MBBS graduate will be busy going over and over again on those systems why a BDS doctor will be busy doing oral surgeries and surgeries in head and neck(a dentist is already a specialist)...

It’s just like saying a Dermatologist is not a doctor Because at some point doctors specialize and are free to forget other systems and focus on a system, dermatology can be regarded as systems same way head and neck or mouth can be regarded as a system that doesn’t mean these specialized doctors don’t know the general medicine and surgery

At first, I was wondering why a health professional would be so misinformed about the medical practice, until I found out that he actually studied finance in school and he has nothing to do with health... The guy knows nothing about the subject matter (he thinks he does)... He doesn't know, and he doesn't want to learn. It's just like discussing space science with a banker... He claims to know about the subject matter because he did Logic and critical thinking in part 1 General studies... Funny enough, his age mates who are professionals in the medical field would just read his post and laugh... They don't have his time... It is us that are still in training that waste our time trying to enlighten him... As for me, I've given up on him, mek I no loose focus...

Imagine going to see a doctor and he/ she is talking about spiritual causes, you be babalawo? Abeg let us know where you work so I make sure I don’t go there.

LOL

Maid007:

At first, I was wondering why a health professional would be so misinformed about the medical practice, until I found out that he actually studied finance in school and he has nothing to do with health... The guy knows nothing about the subject matter (he thinks he does)... He doesn't know, and he doesn't want to learn. It's just like discussing space science with a banker... He claims to know about the subject matter because he did Logic and critical thinking in part 1 General studies... Funny enough, his age mates who are professionals in the medical field would just read his post and laugh... They don't have his time... It is us that are still in training that waste our time trying to enlighten him... As for me, I've given up on him, mek I no loose focus...

A dentist is a dentist/dental surgeon at best, and A medical doctor is an MBBS/MBMbch/MD graduate. Easy peasy! I don't need a professorship to work this piece of info out. No need massaging anybodies ego. What I do agree is they are both pretigous courses, with a lot of respect attached to them. Medicine is probably the more stressful and carries the highest regard With maxillofacial the closest bridge to the 2 courses. But all professionals to their lane.

Best wishes

sgtponzihater1:


A dentist is a dentist/dental surgeon at best, and A medical doctor is an MBBS/MBch/MD graduate. Easy peasy. I don't need a professorship to work

Who is arguing with you this dumb fool...!
The bone of contention here is that the writer is not wrong in his post caption

Froshchuksswart:


Who is arguing with you this dumb fool...!
The bone of contention here is that the write is not wrong in his post caption

And I am not wrong in my post wise one. May your lack of insight not catch up with you.

If Dentists were Medical Doctors, you wouldn't be cursing your elders all over social media. Medical Doctors are trained to be noble and show a lot of restraint.

All the best in your Dental practice.

There is MDCN. It's Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria. This is because it has the Medical side of things and the Dental side of things.

In future I imagine Medical council separating from Dental Council like it is in most advanced climes.

A medical Doctor must be a MBBS holder, and a Dental Surgeon must have BDS. There are no in-betweens. The only other way is in certain Countries where Dentist have to return to study Medicine before specialising in Maxillofacial surgery. And MBBS doctors have to study Dentistry to do the same.

PonziHater

sgtponzihater1:
There is MDCN. It's Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria. This is because it has the Medical side of things and the Dental side of things.

In future I imagine Medical council separating from Dental Council like it is in most advanced climes.

A medical Doctor must be a MBBS holder, and a Dental Surgeon must have BDS. There are no in-betweens. The only other way is in certain Countries where Dentist have to return to study Medicine before specialising in Maxillofacial surgery. And MBBS doctors have to study Dentistry to do the same.

PonziHater

Does separating Medicine and Dental Surgery into different councils change anything? Does that separate the mouth/ Maxillofacial area from the body?

sgtponzihater1:


A dentist is a dentist/dental surgeon at best, and A medical doctor is an MBBS/MBMbch/MD graduate. Easy peasy! I don't need a professorship to work this piece of info out. No need massaging anybodies ego. What I do agree is they are both pretigous courses, with a lot of respect attached to them. Medicine is probably the more stressful and carries the highest regard With maxillofacial the closest bridge to the 2 courses. But all professionals to their lane.

Best wishes

And a dental surgeon is a native doctor abii? Has any dental surgeon ever claimed that his course of study is MBBS and not BDS before?
Suit your self. I have so much to cover, and this discussion is just a distraction... "With maxillofacial the closest bridge"? U would just go on Google and be assimilating half baked information...What do u know about maxillofacial?
If e sure for u, come and do a second degree in any of them... Lol
Good day...

Maid007:

And a dental surgeon is a native doctor abii? Has any dental surgeon ever claimed that his course of study is MBBS and not BDS before?
Suit your self. I have so much to cover, and this discussion is just a distraction... "With maxillofacial the closest bridge"? U would just go on Google and be assimilating half baked information...What do u know about maxillofacial?
If e sure for u, come and do a second degree in any of them... Lol
Good day...

I so much love this part, "If e sure for u, come and do a second degree in any of them... Lol".
sgtponzihater1 if e sure for you go and write Jamb and apply for MBBS/BDS.

horpeyemmi66:

Does separating Medicine and Dental Surgery into different councils change anything? Does that separate the mouth/ Maxillofacial area from the body?

He is just naive... I remember a case where a dental therapist went to handle a procedure in place of a dental surgeon... In the course of the procedure, the patient unfortunately died... So, the therapist's error didn't just affect the patients mouth, it affected the whole body... The story went viral that year

Maid007:

He is just naive... I remember a case where a dental therapist went to handle a procedure in place of a dental surgeon... In the course of the procedure, the patient unfortunately died... So, the therapist's error didn't just affect the patients mouth, it affected the whole body... The story went viral that year

I remember the case where a Dentist whose license was withdrawn for administering chemotherapy. The patient did not die, yet MDCN withdrew his license from working beyond his level of training, as he was parading as a Medical Doctor.

Any MBBS Doctor can work in any medical specialty as a Junior or middle grade Doctor, but a Dentist cannot work as a Junior in OnG, paediatric, ENT, ortho etc, because he does not have the training of a medical Doctor. A medically trained person has the fluidity to work in any Medical specialty he wishes, But a Dentist does not

All the best.

sgtponzihater1:


I remember the case where a Dentist whose license was withdrawn for administering chemotherapy. The patient did not die, yet MDCN withdrew his license from working beyond his level of training, as he was parading as a Medical Doctor.

Any MBBS Doctor can work in any medical specialty as a Junior or middle grade Doctor, but a Dentist cannot work as a Junior in OnG, paediatric, ENT, ortho etc, because he does not have the training of a medical Doctor. A medically trained person has the fluidity to work in any Medical specialty he wishes, But a Dentist does not

All the best.

Stop saying rubbish bro...I would have said more, but your case is that of a drowning man who even insults the person trying to save him from drowning.

horpeyemmi66:

Stop saying rubbish bro...I would have said more, but your case is that of a drowning man who even insults the person trying to save him from drowning.

I don't care about this story to be fair. This does not debunk the truth. A dentist can be a Doctor, if the law of the country allows it, but a Dentist is not a medical doctor.

An optometrist is also a Doctor, but not a medical doctor.

You know the truth, but choose the path of denial

Quick add.

I currently work part-time in an institution. They have a building called school of medicine and it caters for MBBS students, and another called School of Dentistry, it caters for Dental student. Two separate schools cannot both produce medical Doctors in the same institution. One produces medical doctors and the other dental Doctors. That's my simple message.

This thread is flawed with baseless lies. This should be "my dental school experience", and it's good to go.

PonziHater

I think you guys should quit arguing with the ignorant fellow above... he's not ready to learn

Maid007:

He is just naive... I remember a case where a dental therapist went to handle a procedure in place of a dental surgeon... In the course of the procedure, the patient unfortunately died... So, the therapist's error didn't just affect the patients mouth, it affected the whole body... The story went viral that year

Treating the mouth and the mouth being part of the body does not make you a medical Doctor. The podiatrist is a Doctor for the feet, but not a medical Doctor. An optometrist is Doctor for the eyes, but it does not make him a Medical Doctor. Even a chiropractor. Dentist are doctors of the mouth and oral cavity, but do not make them medical Doctors.

The term medical doctor is exclusive for MBBS/MD/MBMbch graduates.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-is-physician

Above is WebMD definition of a medical Doctor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician

Please find attached Wikipedia's version

https://www.healthcentre.org.uk/dentistry/faqs-aredentistsdoctors.html#:~:text=Dentists%20are%20not%20doctors%20in,doctors%20of%20medicine%20(MDs).

Dentist undergo extensive training, but are in no way medical doctors or doctor of medicine

https://www.drvaksman.com/the-differences-between-dental-and-medical-care/

Above shows that dental and medical care are different

sgtponzihater1:
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-is-physician

Above is WebMD definition of a medical Doctor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician

Please find attached Wikipedia's version

https://www.healthcentre.org.uk/dentistry/faqs-aredentistsdoctors.html#:~:text=Dentists%20are%20not%20doctors%20in,doctors%20of%20medicine%20(MDs).

Dentist undergo extensive training, but are in no way medical doctors or doctor of medicine

https://www.drvaksman.com/the-differences-between-dental-and-medical-care/

Above shows that dental and medical care are different

Continue wallowing in your dumbness

Froshchuksswart:



Continue wallowing in your dumbness

Funny dude. The world is moving towards evidence based practice. I have given my points with references, and you call it dumbness. Your only reference is that you are in 400l dentistry and did med/surg posting, and can differentiate between asthma and COPD. I could tutor on those 2 subjects without taking a break. No problem!

Dental practice and Medical practice are 2 separate things. In one of the links I posted, a seasoned dentist stated that he is a dentist with extensive training in basic medical sciences and medicine, but is not a medical Doctor. Yet a student is all over SM bragging blindly.

sgtponzihater1:


I remember the case where a Dentist whose license was withdrawn for administering chemotherapy. The patient did not die, yet MDCN withdrew his license from working beyond his level of training, as he was parading as a Medical Doctor.

Any MBBS Doctor can work in any medical specialty as a Junior or middle grade Doctor, but a Dentist cannot work as a Junior in OnG, paediatric, ENT, ortho etc, because he does not have the training of a medical Doctor. A medically trained person has the fluidity to work in any Medical specialty he wishes, But a Dentist does not

All the best.

You see, your problem is that you lie too much. Because I brought up a true life story, u now decided to concoct ur own story... The way you lie even disgusts me... Send me a link of the news where a dentist's license was withdrawn because he administered chemotherapy... Do you know that there are cancers of the oral cavity? Of course you don't know... If there is a cancer around the oral cavity, the best specialist to administer chemotherapy on that region would be dental specialist (OMF and Oral pathologist)...
Chaii, u lie too much!!... Tufiakwa!! U are too shameless abeg... Subahanallah
Abeg, don't quote me again sef... U are a very bad lier... And see you comparing podiatry and optometry to dental surgery...
Lol... Abeg, gettat...
Because your wife is a nurse, u are now feeling medically inclined...Lol...
Very disgusting lier... U just lost the little respect I had for u sef...

BlaqFaze:
I think you guys should quit arguing with the ignorant fellow above... he's not ready to learn

I have given up on him...

Maid007:

You see, your problem is that you lie too much. Because I brought up a true life story, u now decided to concoct ur own story... The way you lie even disgusts me... Send me a link of the news where a dentist's license was withdrawn because he administered chemotherapy... Do you know that there are cancers of the oral cavity? Of course you don't know... If there is a cancer around the oral cavity, the best specialist to administer chemotherapy on that region would be dental specialist (OMF and Oral pathologist)...
Chaii, u lie too much!!... Tufiakwa!! U are too shameless abeg... Subahanallah
Abeg, don't quote me again sef... U are a very bad lier... And see you comparing podiatry and optometry to dental surgery...
Lol... Abeg, gettat...
Very disgusting lier... U just lost the little respect I had for u sef...

I don't need your respect.

The dentist will take care of the surgical aspect of an oral cancer, but the Oncology, who is a medical doctor, will plan the best chemotherapy regimen, and will be in charge of radiotherapy if this is required.

I stand for the truth, and it drive wannabes and imposters crazy.

I have big respect for health professionals, including dentists, but I am still sane enough to know that a Dentist is not a Medical Doctor, but offers oral and Dental care.

horpeyemmi66:

Stop saying rubbish bro...I would have said more, but your case is that of a drowning man who even insults the person trying to save him from drowning.

When I told him this story, he went ahead to concoct a story of a dentist loosing his licence because he administered chemotherapy... He thought oral cancer would be out of bounds for a dental surgeon... And when u try to educate him, he prefers to wallow in his ignorance...

Maid007:

When I told him this story, he went ahead to concoct a story of a dentist loosing his licence because he administered chemotherapy... He thought oral cancer would be out of bounds for a dental surgeon... And when u try to educate him, he prefers to wallow in his ignorance...

I am probably far more enlightened than you are. God be with you.

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Maid007:

And a dental surgeon is a native doctor abii? Has any dental surgeon ever claimed that his course of study is MBBS and not BDS before?
Suit your self. I have so much to cover, and this discussion is just a distraction... "With maxillofacial the closest bridge"? U would just go on Google and be assimilating half baked information...What do u know about maxillofacial?
If e sure for u, come and do a second degree in any of them... Lol
Good day...

In a less abrasive tone. There is a huge drive to recruit Dentists into the UK, and certain organisations are actively facilitating this. Of you are interested, it's time to take the opportunity, rather than wallow in this self glorification.

Over and out!

sgtponzihater1:
In a less abrasive tone. There is a huge drive to recruit Dentists into the UK, and certain organisations are actively facilitating this. Of you are interested, it's time to take the opportunity, rather than wallow in this self glorification.

Over and out!

Nobody gives a hoot about your abrasive tone or the lack thereof.

You're just one very silly muthervucker and one would not be too far from the truth if one concludes Dentists are the bane of your existence and that they contributed in no small way to your pervading misery.

You can approach The Punch and tell them you want to be a weekly columnist and all you want to publish are your several reasons why Dentists are not Doctors and how they should be stripped of all the rights they have.

Also, ensure to tell them how Dentists should be in the same league with Optometrists and Chiropractors and how you want the registrar of the MDCN to be sacked because he is a Dentist and not a Doctor.

Similarly visit the Nigerian Senate and tell them to expedite the dissolution of the MDCN and NMA (constitutional amendments) as Physicians and Dental Surgeons are not supposed to be together as the latter cannot be possibly referred to as a Doctor both professionally and traditionally by a sane person.

Yours is indeed a very sorry case.

I expect another drivel anyways.