₦airaland Forum

Trottle:
You've just shot yourself with a Double-barrel gun I aksed you about the Kanuri-Yoruba coalition. But you are referring to the Alimi-Afonja historical saga.

Please refer back to the earlier discourse, and answer the questions posed there.

Sigh

Ilorin loss is different from Fulani expansion
Before Fulani captured ilorin
They had already waged war against today's north east oyo empire and even Benin
Ilorin loss was another battle entirely

Zoolezoo:
http://scientiamilitaria.journals.ac.za/pub/article/view/151

That shows you that the Yoruba country on the East side of the Upper Ogun forest reserve axis actually terminates at the banks of the Niger

No one is saying no nupe presence in Jebba it's that ownership he seems to be mixing up and points no other evidence than showing papers with Jebba as place where nupe occupy

Trottle:
Source, Source, Source.

How many wars did the duo fought together?
Who was the Aare on Kakanfo then?
Which tribe was the war waged against?
Which prominent territory was gained or lost.
Provide your sources to back your argument.

This is getting interesting

Just one war
To checkmate Fulani expansion
No territory was lost
Ilorin was not lost in war rather Alimi betrayed afonja hence only one town gone while the remaining 29 towns have oba

Trottle:
Can you kindly send them. I'm more interested in Mungo Park's book.

So far you are not a scholar with international publications that have been popularly cited in reference to this subject matter, the best you can do is counter-argue with your own facts. Thanks.

Once again, I implore you to send at least 3 (Mungo Park's inclusive).

So the northern reference you sent is international lool uncle pls try again later

Trottle:
Even the name "Yoruba" is a British invention to join various ethnicities with similar cultures and linguistic similarities together. The same applies to the other "Super-tribes".

Yoruba was by kanuri not British ! As we have fought wars together stop dropping false info

Fearlez:
They have done so when they proposed for Anioma state with Onitsha as the head quarters which would have expanded Igbo geopolitical tentacles seamlessly into Niger-delta but Delta state was created instead!

We are not hearing enough noise from them compared to Yorubas in central

Trottle:
Sir you need to a crash course in history.

Send your email, and I would send you a very detailed source. It is a book published in 1942. The forward was written by Lugard himself. It is almost 500 pages. Once you are through with it, I would send other reaources to you. But for now we are done with this argument. If you need additonal material, notify me.

I have books written by foreign scholars and even mongo park that pre dates lord Lugard
Everything your presenting as evidence so far as been discredited
Lokoja owned by nupe joke of the century

Viergeachar:
I am not speaking for anybody.

Okay let SS 'Igbo' leaders come out openly and agitate for unification with SE Igbos the way Kogi Yorubas have done and not vice versa as it is with Igbos.

Is that too much to ask

SE WANTS SS TO JOIN
NC YORUBA WANTS TO JOIN SW NOT SW PUSHING FOR BY FORCE RELATIONSHIP LOL

Zoolezoo:
There are a few reasons why I can't take this list serious.

For Example look at Koton Karfe that is quoted to be a Nupe town, eve though everyone knows that the town is Aboriginal to the Egbira Koto and is ruled by an Ohimege.

I said the guy is ignorant lol
We will use facts on ground to defeat him

Trottle:
We are still running in circles here.

Jebba was originally founded as a Nupe settlement and had remained so right unto Colonial times. But in the immediate post-Colonial era, after the White man singularly created a Yoruba race out of thin air... (Abdullahi and Ndace, nd).

Excerpt from "the Makers of Nupe"

1) you have quoted a northern source who still thinks today igbomina is northern and its 2003
2) no one is denying the influence of nupe on Jebba it's a border town settlement
3) until you can show us history of nupe ownership
4) list of nupe kings just how you can trace ilorin emir
Your just making noise
The white man did not install an oba if not he would have done the same for ilorin and added it back to west
They came during a period of war
And maintained status quo which is a lost Yoruba town surrrouned by Yoruba cities and added it to northern Nigeria to give them more political powers

Trottle:
Did you spent at up to two weeks to explore

Below is a screenshot form Yahaya (2003):

This your point defines logic is lokoja and other towns not on that list ?
Does that mean nupe owns lokoja ?
And lokoja get emir why Jebba no get
Even ilorin that was lost has emir

Trottle:
Sure, and I still have tons of resources that still points to the fact that it is a MAJOR nupe town. The Nupes for century have occupied the Niger till this present day. I can prove that anywhere fact.

Show us one more
Occupy is different from owning I think English is your problem

Ogbuefi2020:
see them cowards, they think others are cowards like them. they have been carrying "northern declaration" on their head. These cowards considers the north as God. If the north insults and piss on them they will run and divert attention to igbos but since the so called declaration, igbos have not mention them, yet they are the ones poking their nose

Shut up your the one calling Fulani master so go and face your master Fulani

Trottle:
Let' start using other using other resouces apart from aby encyclopedia. You can see what I'm saying, the Adebara dynasty startedstarted in the late 18th century, while Jebba has been existing before that. Before I forget, please is Jebba a Yoruba word? (Prove that with all you've got). If it is not, from what language was the word derived?

Can you show me another source outside brittiana ?
Cause you haven't

Trottle:
Which means that you've just agreed with an earlier assertion of mine. Don't get confused sir.

I don't understand your second statement. Please, restructure.

Having a huge population of nupe doesn't make Jebba a nupe town and I used festac as an example nupe are also plenty in ifelodun,egbe, omo Aran they are called TAPA
You have not provided evidence
I have shown you list of oba
You can't even show one nupe king or emir
What you typed is what people call HEAVY WIND

Trottle:
Sure, and I still have tons of resources that still points to the fact that it is a MAJOR nupe town. The Nupes for century have occupied the Niger till this present day. I can prove that anywhere fact.

Are we clamouring for Niger?
I have been to Jebba and climbed the mountain
The people speak full fledged Yorubas
And the nupes usually come begging from Niger state

Point to resources that claim how Jebba is nupe
You did cipy and paste from Britannia and added grammar without evidence lol

Trottle:
Jebba is Moro LGA so?
A town being in an LGA dominated by an ethnic group does not strip it from its identity. Take for instance, Tsaragi is in Edu LGA and Tsare (share) is in Ifedlodun LGA but the two town are divided by a very narrow road.

AUTHORITATIVELY??
Are you an historian in any field(Anthropology, Sociology, African studies etc) or have you published books that takes talks about these two towns. Or you've only lived there for some years or at worst a decade and you depend on heresay from just abt source?

Sir, please respond accordingly thanks.

Mr man your only typing big grammar
The igbos are majority in festac axis of lagos
That does not strip festac of its Yorubaness
Just how Yorubas are majority in some axis of London

Your theory of cause they are more it's not for Yoruba is baseless

Trottle:
Any fool with a phone can write, edit and post on Wikipedia. Give me 5 academic sources and I might believe you.

Any fool can edit Britannia too
Jebba stretches from Kwara into Niger Kwara has a huge nupe population cause it's close to niger

Trottle:
Since you don't want to act civil without name calling and other disgusting act, let me school you a bit (even if you are my grand pa's age)!

Jebba is a Nupe town, and the name Jebba is an anglicized Nupe word which originally is "Ejeba" which means; a place where river/stream flows.

Check this out:

"Jebba, town, Kwara state, western Nigeria. It lies on the south bank and at the natural head of navigation of the Niger River, 550 miles (885 km) from the sea. It is populated by the predominantly Muslim Nupe people, whose kingdom, refounded by Tsoede, flourished in the region in the early 16th century. From this period date the noted Jebba bronzes. The island of Jebba in the Niger River still retains a traditional Nupe settlement."(Britannica, 2017).

The "Oba" is an invention which is a century old or less, and it is closely linked with the anti-Nupe colonial master Frederick Lugard and the capitalist Goldie of the Royal Niger Company. Though, other machinations are involved.

Before I forget, predominant language in Jebba is the NUPE language.

Sir, don't think we are all high school kids here or tribal warlords here. Peace.

Another far lie
Jebba, much like the majority of Nigeria, is a melting pot of culture and tribes. Adebara Dynasty is the Traditional Ruling House in Jebba.The present King remained as the fifth Oba of Jebba. The First Oba of Jebba was Adebola Adebara who reign between 1865 to 1900. 2nd King was Odaso Adebara (1901-1930), 3rd King was Oba Muhammad Ayoola Adebara (1931-1943), 4th King was (Alh) Oba Ahmadu Akanbi Adebara who lived on the throne for 60 years (1943-2003) and the present and 5th King is Oba (Alh) Abdulkadir Alabi Adebara (2003-date). The people in Jebba live in harmony, functioning peacefully. There are Jumaat mosque within and around Jebba metropolis with an appointed Imams. There are also several churches for the Christians

Viergeachar:
@AshiwajuForward and dee02

Let's all learn how to disagree to agree.

We can all converge at a middle ground.

Restructuring is the way forward.

Yorubas were enmeshed in a bitter civil war for decades until colonialists took over all our territories.

How are we sure we wont tow that path once again when we become fully independent and there are more common enemies?

Let us make the best of Nigeria.

What is all this mess lol ogbeni we are already surrounded by enemy in Nigeria we can't keep on. Managing our living

Dannidom:
If we clap back nw you will start crying how Igbos insult yorubas

Lol paining

Omofunaab2:
My friend shut up.. Some of you are just dumb.. Okun people were under the defunct northern region.. They were classified under kabba province same with kwara

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Region,_Nigeria

Northern region before joining excluded today's central Kwara and Kogi west out of your imagination

Iykmann:
Please tell us about ilorin empire

There's nothing like ilorin empire it was a town under oyo that broke out and afonja and Yorubas paid for it dearly
Abeg mention one igbo empire or achievements lol

lloydtruth:
The way this diabolic Yoruba kid called markfemi2 is going about tribal matters, I suggest someone stay close to him because suicide is very imminent. He doesn't even sleep again, check the timing of all his post, when he started this tribal journey on Nairaland I told him he will never survive it, you can't imagine the kind of pain and agony this guy is going through in osogbo.

Osogbo is better than entire south east

lol didn't plan for this thing to reach 6 pages

Yimu
Kanu is your lord and master and will tell you when to go to work or not

Special shout out to my oyo Yorubas who spread the influence of Yoruba beyond any other group we are proud of you

frican Atlantis and the Wonders of the Ife Sculptures

Around the late 19th and early 20th centuries, most academia in history, archaeology, and anthropology tended to look upon Africa as an unimportant backwater, inhabited by simple savages who have never been able to achieve any measure of advanced civilization. In the late 19th century the German archaeologist Leo Frebonius discovered the first of a large series of cast metal sculptures in what is now modern day Ife, Nigeria. Often called “bronze sculptures”, the pieces are actually made from a copper/zinc/lead alloy that is closer to brass than bronze, demonstrating that the people who made these sculptures obviously had very advanced knowledge and skills in metallurgy. What was most incredible was the precise attention to detail each of the works displayed, giving the sculptures an almost lifelike appearance. Such detail reminded Frebonius of sculptures originating from Ancient Greece and Rome. Thus, it was then that Frebonius jumped to an incredible conclusion. From his point of view the sculptures could not have been made by the local people, who he believed obviously could have never built a civilization capable of such works. Frebonius himself once remarked,

“I was moved to silent melancholy at the thought that this assembly of degenerate and feeble-minded posterity should be the legitimate guardians of so much loveliness”


So he theorized that the sculptures were Greek in origin, produced by Greek artisans who lived in a long lost Greek colony. Then Frebonius went once step further by proposing that an ancient white civilization had once dominated Africa long before settlement by non-white peoples. This theory was called the “African Atlantis”, which proposed that an advanced white civilization once dominated Africa, and that traditional African civilization was merely a residue of that older, lost civilization. The African Atlantis theory became an extremely popular theory, upheld by historians and academics throughout Europe and North America. Further discoveries of other artifacts and relics of African civilization were likewise excused away, being cited as remnants of the lost African Atlantis

Of course today such a theory has been debunked a racist humbuggery, and modern scholars conclusively prove that the African Atlantis never existed. The true artists behind the Ife sculptures were an advanced civilization called the Yoruba people, who managed a powerful empire which existed between the 12th and 17th centuries. Similar pieces demonstrating equal or more sophisticated technology have been discovered all over West Africa, crafted by various different cultures.

Why is it only Fulani people that attack other Nigerians
First northern Fulani claims they are foreigners
But anytime Nigerians attack this foreigners Nigerian army intervenes this is nepotism of the highest order and makes every one question north west

And abeg why is it only Fayose that has dealt with the Fulani issues while other governors are scared ?
Benue is being threatened
South east governors are not talking
APC SW governors are mum kilode

Trottle:
Yoruba land does not include Jebba. Get your facts right sir.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebba
Oba of Jebba is Abdulkadir Alabi Adebara (2003-date)

temptnow:
hope you know osibande will be killed soon like that tout mko

Yes kanu will kill osibande

temptnow:
I like to see you Afonjas having sleepless nights cos of biafra. Am so loving it.

E pain am

temptnow:
It is funny how suddenly IGBOS, IPOB, Kanu and Biafra are now Yoruba people's greatest headaches.

The way they are going now you will think Igbos murdered Abiola, kudirat, Dele Giwa, Funsho Williams, Bola Ige!

You will think Igbos are the ones who locked up Fela, Ajasin, Awolowo, Soyinka etc.

You will think Igbos are the one who swore osinbajo will never be president.

You will think Igbos are the one who invades Kwara and installed Emir.

You will think that Igbos are the ones that invaded Ile ife and kept oba of ife and his subjects in jail till today.

Few days ago, Arewa youth called them backstabbers and even told them they will never allow osinbajo to be President.
But you see them running around like headless chickens yapping about Igbo this...Kanu that, IPOB this, Biafra that!

They have Oduduwa republic agitation o, but they can't stop sticking their mouths on Biafra! Seems Biafra/Igbo/Kanu/IPOB are the only thing that gives them orgasms.

Chai see next level wailing