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paxonel:
so you put all these parables foward only for you to say harry potter depicts sorcery?

Alright, spiderman and batman depicts reality as well, keep deceiving yourself

Spiderman and Batman are fantasies. Did I say Harry Potter is a fantasy? --- a fantasy that depicts sorcery.

frank317:
I like ur response...makes me wonder why u are still a Christian.
U must be a different Christian. Go through some threads on this forum since last week on this section and u will see how atheists have been battling with Christians day and night telling them these things don't exist.

I am not attributing witchcraft beliefs to Christianity, Christians are

https://www.nairaland.com/4906214/there-no-such-things-witchcraft

The link above is one of many... I think Christians seriously need to bring themselves together instead of making a mockery of their God with this confusion...

He is a christianity romancer.

paxonel:
an adult westerner will never stand in front of me to say this rubbish you just said.
Not even in their country.

Harry potter that 10 years old kids were using to make acting fantacies and we will all be laughing.

You africans are truly backward in your thinking

Truely stupidity is like death. The dead know not that they are dead but others know and feel the impact. In the same manner, the stupid man knows not that he is stupid but others around know. How ironic! Harry Potter is a fantasy that depicts sorcery.

johnydon22:
Correction, my argument is that morality is intersubjective. There is a difference

True. An error on my part. You argued that morality is intersubjective.

budaatum:
I do not think it is possible for everyone to pick up a book as big and as complicated as the Bible and be on the same page even after studying it "honestly and thoroughly" (why didn't you just say, according to the Holy Spirit, by the way?). It's just too complex a book for the various studiers all from different backgrounds and levels of understanding to get the same understanding of such a huge book. Even the Sanhedrins and Pharisees were not on the same page nor were Paul and James with one by faith and the other pointing to his works. The only way to get people on the same page is to remove their ability to think and reason for themselves and even God couldn't achieve that, as shown by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.


No we don't! I am an atheist but I doubt many other atheists share my view of the Good Book!


That does not mean we agree on the Bible. In fact, the only one thing we atheists do agree on is that there is no God, period. When we start dissecting the Bible or anything else we will find we disagree wildly and are all over the place.

The bible is voluminous not complicated. Any disagreement that may result from atheists discussing about the bible would due to the ignorance of scripture not misunderstanding or differing interpretation of the scripture. Don't try to make the bible look like advanced calculus written in greek.

Many christians, especially those that believe in evolution, interpret the story of Adam and Eve as a metaphor and that not because it is their honest stance after reading the bible "thoroughly and honestly" but because it's convenient and makes them feel better. This basis and other faulty basis(ignorant and dishonest) produce many denominations. I am sure that if people read the bible honestly and thoroughly, they would all be on the same page as to what it says.

budaatum:
So, knowing the above, assuming that is the reason, (for I can't see how that explains the difference between the understanding of two Bishops who do pick up their Bible and read it thoroughly), why can one of them not say they do not believe in juju and witchcraft and devil's?

lol. There are many reasons people are in the denomination they are :
1) they were born in that denomination.
2) they never read their bible and a charismatic religious leader , circumstances or friend talked them into it.
3) they picked the one that is convenient for them. Many youths prefer trending and fashionable churches.
For a Bishop, lack of allegiance to his sect may mean excommunication and termination of financial benefits. That's not to say some are not sincerely and willingly rooted in their denomination. If people pick up their bible and study it honestly and thoroughly, they will start being on the same page.

On what the Bible says, perhaps, though I doubt it, and think we atheists are just doing the enemy of my enemy is my friend. For as soon as two atheists step out of the religious section and into the Foreign Politics Section for instance, they pretty soon start calling each other names they reserve for the religious people in the religious section, I found.

Well, we atheists, who have read the bible, agree on what the bible says. Religion is different from politics. The fact that we agree on religion does not mean that we would agree on other aspects. Johnydon22 has argued that morality is subjective while I argued otherwise. We are atheists for a reason and atheism is not expertise in other areas of life.

HardMirror:
rubbish. Tricks are not the same as sorcery. What you have in harry potter is depiction of sorcery not tricks. You are trying too hard to appear intelligent while spewing rubbish

Paxonel is trying to cheapen the sorcery in the bible to mere tricks and cheats so that he can support his stance that the diabolic and spiritual voodoo and witchcraft that people believe in do not exist and I am wrong to insist that he believes in such as a christian. He cannot admit that he is wrong and he is dishonestly and stupidly trying to claim that he is right by all means. This technique of his came after I trash his stance the "spiritual and diabolical sorcery ended in the old testament". From believing that there was spiritual and diabolical sorcery to tricks and cheats as sorcery.

Oh, he just said, with no biblical backing, that Satan and demons don't exist. Who is god then going to cast into the lake of fire in the end of times? later he would say that we were never true Christians.

hahn:
Lol

the irony.

budaatum:
No! Time like 10 times! Bloody hell man! If what you say above were true, why would Christians be arguing about their beliefs with one another and why would there be so many Christian sects?

Or have you found that all Christians believe the same things?

Lol. The disagreement within the christian community is due to the inability of christians to pick up their bible and read it thoroughly. Some just pick the denomination they are comfortable with. Why do you think Nairaland atheists who have never met each other all agree similarly on what they think the bible says?

I will continue this thread tomorrow as more things are unfolding in that thread. Paxonel just said he doesn't believe in the existence of Satan and demons and he calls himself a christian. The same person who probably thinks atheists never really understood the bible and Jesus Christ. How dishonest and confusing can a human being get?

budaatum:
But isn't that like saying buda, an atheist, should not say Aleluya Jesus Christ Amen?

Muttley tried something similar here. My response was very very restrained by the Holy Spirit, thank God. He even tried to impose buda on my Lord!

I doubt anyone gets to impose beliefs, thoughts, stupidity or anything on anyone else. If I want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and His Noodly Appendage, and at the same time Jesus is Lord, it is I who will receive a half-ass for half-ass reasoning.

No they are not the same. Your bias is blinding you little by little. Atheists are not bound by any creed or holy book that says what they can't do or do, all that is required of them is that they do not believe in the existence of any deity or god(s). So if any atheist shouts "hallelujah Jesus Christ Amen," he still remains an atheist as long as he lacks belief in those things
Its not so with a christian who believes in Jesus sacrifice and is bounded to believe the bible. If the bible says that the moon is made of cheese, a self proclaimed christian should believe that. It's like a Muslim telling me that he doesn't believe Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse and yet he is a Muslim.

paxonel:
the last time i checked English dictionary this is one of the definitions of the word religion.

an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

Since you are interested in athiesm and have a belief atleast, you cant escape the fact that you are into what is equivalent to religion
it is very simple to understand.
I quoted a very valid scripture to you

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I told you that the time of ignorance this scripture was referring to is the old testament but you twisted it to mean the time when people have not repented.
Ok, look at the previous verses of the same Act 17.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

We all know that those who were into idolatory in the old testament uses silver, stones, graven arts of these materials to mold their idols, therefore the scripture was strictly referring to old testament as the time of ignorance which God overlooked all these things.
But you wouldnt listen.

Now,i am telling you that soccery or witchcraft may be practiced in the old testament out of ignorance, that the people who practiced those things did them without knowing that they do not work in the real sense, therefore they do not exist in the real sense, but you wouldnt listen

The bible requires a dynamic thinker to understand these things. Unfortunately a lot of christians today dont think along when they read their bible, thats why the few ones like me that thinks like me, you can mistaken us to be dishonest but meanwhile, the vast majority who doesnt think to understand scriptures are the ones that are not honest, perhaps they are the ones pushing you people into athiesm by their dishonesty
you see what i am talking about?
Demons dont exist too.
Satan dont exist

We are all architects of our individual failures and successes .

Demons and satan may have existed in the old testament when people were ignorant and God overlooked but certainly not in the new testament anymore.
By extention, not in this present world anymore .

In this present world, technology and science is what exist and if we are not taking advantage of it we will quick to blame demons and satan for our misfortune meanwhile we are causing the misfortune for being ignorant.
look, there are several ways you can understand an entity.
You can understand the entity in one way and when you study that same entity through the other way you will still arrive at the same result.
I may choose to say soccery do not exist or better still, it existed in the old testament but it is primitive or it isnt working therefore it does not exist.
I am still saying the same result, soccery does not exist in the real sense.

It does not mean i am lying or dishonest

What?! Satan and demons don't exist?! Who then is God going to cast in the lake of fire on the last day? Are you really a Christian?

@ bold

Lol. Another dishonesty from you. After I pointed out your error of calling athiesm a religion and thereby showing you are actually the ignorant one, you changed your meaning of the word "religion". You are trying to define the word "religion" in order to push atheism in the same page as christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc. Here are the meanings of the word religion :

RELIGION
noun (plural religions)
1) The belief in and worship of a supernatural controlling power, especially a personal god or gods.
2) A particular system of faith and worship.
3) The way of life committed to by monks and nuns.
4) Any practice that someone or some group is seriously devoted to.
5) (obsolete) Faithfulness to a given principle; conscientiousness. [16th-17th c.]

When atheists say "atheism is not a religion," they obviously mean, and you know it, that it's not 1,2 & 3 thereby dissociating it from world religions. No five is obsolete leaving us with 4. If there is anything atheist are dedicated to, it is the spread of atheism and according to 4, the spread of atheism is a religion as much as evangelism is a religion to evangelist and football is to Cristiano Ronaldo.

As expected you have twisted your scriptures and offended logic but I won't be having any of that. Acts 17:30 simply implied that god wouldn't overlook and be merciful, on the last day, to those who reject christ. It has nothing to do with our discussion of witchcraft and voodoo and the trash explanation you are giving . Acts 17:29, are you fvcking kidding me? It simply says that as God's children, don't regard god as pagen objects of worship and has nothing to do with our discussion; it doesn't imply in anyway that witchcraft and voodoo are outdated and no longer exist and does not tally with the trash explanation you are giving. Your dishonesty and ignorance won't allow you think straight later you will say I lack thinking capacity. You deliberately pulled a cheap shot with those two verses and not even a ten year old would fall for that.

@red
lol. Still changing your stance to save your face. What is your biblical basis for asserting that voodoo, witchcraft, demons and Satan don't exist anymore and are no longer potent? The fact that you could say Satan doesn't exist shows how dishonest and confused you are.

paxonel:
you know what has caused your defeat all this while?

Your pesistent belief that the idea or belief of the existence of witchcraft and diabolic spiritual voodoo should be associated to christianity because some ignorant christians believe in that, but i have proved you wrong that not all christians are primitive like that

Also, ignorance is found in all religion including athiesm and you are one ignorant athiest

I have met a couple of bright and intelligent athiests on nairaland but dont count yourself as one of them

You say I am ignorant? You who call atheism a religion? Of course the idea of witchcraft is primitive and stupid and there are christians who don't believe in witchcraft and voodoo. I have a family friend like that but on what biblical basis would christians discard the existence and potency of voodoo and witchcraft given that the bible supports it's existence? Try answer logically this time without twisting and dishonestly reinterpretating the scriptures as you I have caught you on two occasions when I asked you this question before.

Calling yourself a christian and not believing in voodoo and witchcraft is like calling yourself a christian and not believing in demons. I have caught your red handed, severally, being dishonest and logically inadequate. You claimed sorcery was only practiced in the old testament and I showed that it was also practised in the new testament, you then dishonestly decided to cheapen sorcery in the bible to mere tricks even when the bible confirmed the diabolic and spiritual nature of sorcery. After that you then tried to insist that you meant sorcery was outdated and I pointed this was a lie. You are filled with lies. No wonder you still remain a christian, your inability to comprehend your holy book and your dishonesty to always prove your stance of christianity at all costs makes it impossible for you to be free. Enjoy your chains. I will continue my trend later.

budaatum:
Juju and witchcraft, as in their practice, does exist, but that's not to say they work, which is another sense in which we say it doesn't exist, and what I think paxonel might have meant.

Lol. Be sure to understand the argument. Regardless of whatever he meant, my argument was that it's irony and improper to say that you are a christian and not believe in the existence and potency(diabolic and spiritual) of voodoo and witchcraft. He said he does not believe they have any potency and they are none existent and I said he should believe in the existence and potency of both as a christian since the bible says that they exist.

In the past few minutes, the other thread by Paxonel just unfolded and further stamps his status as a dishonest christian. I have to go and read. See you in the evening and I will continue this thread.

paxonel:
guy i have checkmate you.
Your queen is no more and your king is at risk.
Just accept the truth

Checkmate who? Do you have the intelligence and logical prowess to even checkmate me?

Dishonesty personified.

paxonel:
when i said witchcraft and juju do not exist i was only referring to this current day which is also noticed by lil kesh and olamide.

Trying to disprove me, Martinez19 went to the bible, not just the bible but the old testament. That was his first mistake

Nonsense, dishonest christian. Check out this post of yours post and look at numbers 3-6, especially number 3. It shows you knew where I was heading at and now you have changed your argument because you want to save your face

paxonel:
there is no point mobilising your fellow athiests they cannot help you escape this one.
Just accept the truth,
1. Soccery or witchcraft may be practiced in the old testament but that wasnt christianity
2. Simeon the soccerer you mentioned in the new testament was never a christian.
3. There was never anywhere in the bible which was stated that soccerers have extra ordinary powers
4. Obviously, soccery in the bible were simply magical and explainable tricks(example: pharoahs magicians in the old testament and simeon the soccerer in the new test) used to convince primitive people that there were extra ordinary powers involved, meanwhile they were simple tricks.
5. These are the same principles behind babalawos, juju and witchcraft today. Tricks and nothing more
6. These kind of tricks were replicated in harry potter movies and africans are watching these movies and they will never have sense.

You knew I was asking how you could not believe in the existence of voodoo and witchcraft and call yourself a christian even when the bible supports the existence of both and their diabolic spiritual nature. You knew it and then replied with the above to reduce sorcery in the bible to mere tricks even when it's not so in the bible so that you can be in the right and say that the diabolic spiritual voodoo and witchcraft Africans believe in doesn't exist and the bible doesn't support it hence I am wrong. Your attempt failed woeful and you decided to change your stance with this latest post of yours. How laughable. Seems my other thread has a part 2 unfolding. A very dishonest, ignorant and hypocritical christian.

Cc. Johnydon22

paxonel:
and i never disputed that soccery does not exist in the bible, i only proved to him that it was never part of christianity and will never possibly exist in christianity.
And since christianity has taken over the world today therefore soccery do not exist today.
No,
He says soccery was practiced in the bible and i let him know the bible he thought it was, is not bible that he should not be confused.
Soccery was practiced in the old testament and not the bible ,old testament is Torah.
that was ignorance practiced by my fellow christians we all know that

More dishonesty and ignorance. The bible consists of two parts : the old and new testament. Sorcery and sorcerers were in both testaments. Pharaoh's magicians were there for the old testament and Simon the sorcerer was there in the new testament (Acts 8:9-24).

I never said sorcery was part of christianity, you PURPOSELY made that up to change the argument, give yourself an imaginary upper hand and shift the goal post. The crux of the matter is christians are supposed to believe in the existence of witchcraft and voodoo since the bible says it exists and I wondered how you could be a christian and not believe in voodoo. More dishonesty! I am loving this.

Cc. Johnydon22

paxonel:
there is no point mobilising your fellow athiests they cannot help you escape this one.
Just accept the truth,
1. Soccery or witchcraft may be practiced in the old testament but that wasnt christianity
2. Simeon the soccerer you mentioned in the new testament was never a christian.
3. There was never anywhere in the bible which was stated that soccerers have extra ordinary powers
4. Obviously, soccery in the bible were simply magical and explainable tricks(example: pharoahs magicians in the old testament and simeon the soccerer in the new test) used to convince primitive people that there were extra ordinary powers involved, meanwhile they were simple tricks.
5. These are the same principles behind babalawos, juju and witchcraft today. Tricks and nothing more
6. These kind of tricks were replicated in harry potter movies and africans are watching these movies and they will never have sense.

More dishonest and ignorance on your part. The bible stated clearly that Pharaoh's magicians replicated Moses miracles of turning stick into snakes (Exodus 7:9-11) ; turning water into blood (Exodus 7:19-22) and conjuring frogs from rivers (Exodus 8:5-7). The magicians did such with their enchantments --- simply they enchantments! Yet you have the guts to lie and reduce what the bible calls sorcery to mere tricks because you want to support your stance rather than admit that you were wrong.

Cc. Johnydon22

^^^^
He still persisted in insisting, on no biblical grounds, that witchcraft and voodoo don't exist even when he should believe it as a christian since the bible pointed it. What sort of christian is he? What bible does this lad read? He ignored the fact that he made a wrong interpretation and twisted the verse he brought out since it is, as I showed, irrelevant to the discussion. Perhaps he thought I have never read the bible and I could be easily deceived.
He still twisted another scripture (2 Corinthians 5:17) (a scripture that was totally irrelevant but he forced a meaning it like dishonest apologists do) and played the "it was practiced in primitive times" card yet again and ended up declaring that not all parts of the bible is bible (as he puts it), I replied exposing the sort of logically flawed, dishonest and ignorant person and christian that he is:

My last reply in the previous post gave him another chance to admit his ignorance and error but his dishonest, ego or maybe the feeling of wanting to be right made him persist and came out of with this :

Oga Paxonel no gree take, he come dey play secretary to the Most High and he dishonestly tried to imply that ANYTHING practiced in primitive time is outdated :

paxonel:
forget it,. your point can never be valid being and athiest who dont agree with bible in the first place.

You forget that pharoah days was still a primitive world, just like we have primitive africa today therefore soccery saw even commercialised.

But did the bible indicated anywhere that soccery were real practices like miracles?
Even if they were real, the primitive practice have died away over time.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God overlooked, but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Ofcourse we read how God parted the red sea for the israelites but does that mean it should be a normal practice today that whenever one need to cross a river he calls upon God in a world where beautiful bridges are constructed?

God is not primitive like that.

Here you have it folks, he who knows the mind of God. He completely forgot that Mathematics, farming, Philosophy and Schooling were practiced in ancient times and it does not mean that they are outdated and no longer practised even though they are more refined and extended. Who is he to say say God can't part the red sea anymore? Did god tell him that or is it his opinion?
He also gave an irrelevant verse to support his claim. That verse had nothing to do with the existence or outdated state of witchcraft --- talk about twisting the scriptures to your own taste. Here is my response :

Martinez19:
Lol. The shabbiest explanation to save your face but you failed woefully.

Acts 17:30 has nothing to do with the existence or outdated trend, as you claim, of witchcraft and voodoo. Acts 17:30 was talking about repentance and salvation and how god will no longer overlook those that fail to repent on the day of judgment because god has offered Jesus and people no longer have an excuse hence god's day of overlooking is over. It doesn't say that people have stopped practicing witchcraft or that witchcraft is primitive. Woeful defence on your part. I expected, after I replied you at first, to admit that you were wrong; witchcraft and voodoo indeed exist but people should work hard rather than kill their fellow human beings. You did not, instead because you wanted to defend your convenient position(a dishonest move given that I showed you the truth from the bible) and you want to be right by all means so you cooked up your trashy self defense.

The fact that you couldn't own up to your error but had to spend time to come up with such pathetic biblical defence to your unbiblical claim shows how dishonest and convenience seeking you are. It proves that you, indeed, twist the scriptures by all means to suit your convenient perspective even when it's obvious that it is unbiblical. I am sure you are one of those who bash atheists for not being true christians and not understanding the bible before they deconverted --- how ironic and laughable. You are a confusion maker, you don't even take your beliefs seriously yet you contribute to it's spread and indoctrination of people who would take it seriously.

Where is it written in the bible that witchcraft and voodoo are outdated? On what biblical basis would you say witchcraft and voodoo are outdated? None, except you want to stupidly make up one like your similarly did in your last post. You say witchcraft was practised in primitive times? So was christianity but does that make it outdated? Something being believed and practiced in primitive times does not imply that it would be outdated, such an abysmal logical fail from you and I am not surprised.

@bold
Did you read that from the bible or is that your personal opinion? Since when did christians put their opinions over the bible?

I have more to say but I will stop here. Go read your bible and good day.

I found it ironic that a christian doesn't believe in the existence of witchcraft and voodoo even though the bible supports the existence of such and since I was free on Saturday with enough time on my hands, I decided to respond and put him in order with this:

Martinez19:
Hypocritical christian who don't read the bible but believe things at their own convenience. Didn't the bible say "suffer not a witch to live"? Didn't the bible support the existence of sorcery by telling how Pharaoh's magicians replicated some of Moses' miracles? How is it then that witchcraft and juju do not exist to you? How?

I am atheist but I get disappointed when you I see christians talking like they don't read their bible or that they are atheist. Funny thing is that you will indoctrinate your children with christianity and hand them the bible to read and if they are honest and not hypocritical like you, they end up believing everything in the bible and becoming dummies. They might even kill themselves using faith healing.

Get serious. It's either you are a christian or not. Go and read your bible.

Thinking that he would see his mistake and correct it so as to be more in tune with the divine scripture or at least logically, from the biblical perspective, debunk my stance with the scriptures (you know, I am willing to take corrections if I am shown to be wrong) buy he responded stupidly with this:

paxonel:
oh! You are an athiest?

Reserve it for christians who reads bible not athiests like you.

And focus on your athiesm for your own good cos it make no sense jumping into holy books like bible you know nothing about ok

and then I responded, initiating a debate that would go on to expose Paxonel for the willfully dishonest and ignorant folk that he is :

Martinez19:
Stfu! I just made valid points and instead of you to admit that you are wrong, you start ranting like a lunatic and you ignored my point being the dishonest fellow that you are.

Given that the bible said "suffer not a WITCH to live" and told the story of Pharaoh's magicians replicating God's miracles, how can you call yourself a christian and not believe in witchcraft and voodoo? I DARE YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, COME ON!

Go and read your bible and know what it says rather than promoting something(christianity) you know nothing of and leading to the brainwashing of your children and multitude of others. Read your bible very well so you know what it says and even if you still want remain a christian despite reading the bible, at least you won't be hypocritical or ignorant about it.

Some christians don't read their bible, some are not bother about what it says instead they love to pick parts they like and interpret as they like yet both groups would still have the guts to say we atheists were never really christians and we never really understood the bible. Here is my conversation with such unserious and dishonest christian. He is called Paxonel.

First he started off with a thread saying money rituals, voodoo and witchcraft don't exist
https://www.nairaland.com/4918119/lil-kesh-olamide-says-blood
Here is the opening page of the thread

paxonel:
Singer Lil Kesh has reacted after Nigerians accused him and Olamide of promoting “Yahoo yahoo” and “blood money” in their collaborative new song, titled, “Logo benz”.

Lil Kesh has defended his song via a comment on Instagram. Kesh stated that they are not promoting what is not existence. Writing on a page, he wrote;

If money no enter I go do blood money o, talk your own. WE NOR DEY PROMOTE WETIN NOR DEY EXIST na awareness we dey do so spread your pata at owner’s risk because won ka pata o.

This is confirmation that
1.Blood money do not exist
2. Witchcraft do not exist
3. Juju do not exist
4. Die by fire prayer in churches do not exist

Please God and work for your money no mama or witchcraft in your village is blocking your success pastors are deceiving us for so long.

This nigeria we are living in, we caused problems to ourselves by believing in non sense

HopefulLandlord (LandlordHopeful), HardMirror, Hahn, Sharon6 (1Sharon), Tozara, CAPSLOCKED, OtemSapien, proudgorgeousga, Johnydon22

paxonel:
biko, wetin concern me if you are an athiest?
How does you being and athiest stops me being a christian?

I never said it did.

my friend witchcraft do not exist you know that i dont know what you are crying for

Of course, I know witchcraft does not exist but how can you call yourself a christian and not believe in witchcraft?

My bible let me know that we are new creatures, old things have passed away. Witchcraft or soccery is pretty old in this world that science and technology is dominating africans should throw away the stupid idea and look foward towards better things.

Lol. Quoting and then interpreting as it is convenient for you . The bible says that you are a new creature and old things have past away but you being a new creature and old things being past doesn't imply in anyway that witchcraft is outdated. It simply means your past sinful deeds are not going to be held against you and you are now considered a new saved creature as opposed to your past unsaved self. It doesn't imply that witchcraft is outdated. You are demonstrating dishonest or incorrigible stupidity.

Science is rising? Yes it is but how does the rise of something automatically implies the fall of another thing? Witchcraft is nonsense and ridiculous garbage but as christian, where is your biblical evidence that witchcraft and voodoo doesn't exist?

If you dont like it that way go sleep
another fallacy called non sequíto detected, my guy wake up from your slumber. When i say primitive times i was strictly referring to old testament days. Christianity was never practiced in old testament
oya go practice witchcraft if it is not outdated now, who cares?
you talked about pharoah, who does not know pharoah was old?

So 2000 years ago is not old abi? Let's agree that when you said "primitive times"you meant old testament times, how does something being practiced in old testament times mean that it would stop existing today? Schooling, Mathematics, farming and Philosophy were practiced in primitive times (as you mean) and are still practiced today even though they are now refined but they are still practiced today. How does something being practiced in primitive times imply automatically that it no longer exists?

The one with the non sequitur here is you. Didn't Peter and Philip encounter Simon the magician in Acts 8:9-24? isn't that sorcery is the new testament at a time when christianity was practiced? So we see both christianity and sorcery(voodoo) being practised in the same era, should christianity and voodoo be outdated or should you now acknowledge the existence of voodoo and witchcraft? Go and read your bible my friend, you are a dishonest person with not taste for the truth.

Do you think everything you read in bible is bible?
You must be joking.
Thats why i told you that you have no business reading bible as an athiest because you will be so confused

You better focus on your athiesm

Lol. I said it. Convenience seeking and dishonest christard. You have convinced yourself that not everything in the bible is bible so that you can pick the ones you like and ignore the ones you don't like. Clap for yourself. How do you know which one is bible and which one is not? What if the one you think is not bible is actually bible, how would you tell?

You have no business being a christian if you don't read and comprehend your bible. Witchcraft according to your bible was practiced in primitive times but it never said it is outdated and never existed. I am tackling you here so people can see we atheists knew our bible before dumping christianity in the trash and you people are the deluded, ignorant and dishonest one when you think atheist never really understood the bible and were misinformed or ignorant. Let me notify other atheists and christians to see you logical flaw and dishonesty (Hahn, HardMirror, Johnydon22, HopefulLandlord aka LandlordHopeful, Seun, 1Sharon aka Sharon6, CAPSLOCKED, enilove, originalkalokalo, President1, jiggaz etc. Please, if you care, read my short conversation with the dishonest paxonel)

Your errors:
1) Thinking witchcraft should be outdated because it old testament and christianity should continue because its new testament.
Correction : many years BC and 2000 years ago are primitive and witchcraft and sorcery were practised in new testament times as you can see in Acts 8:9-24 where Peter and Philip encountered Simon the sorcerer. Following the bible and your logic, witchcraft should be existing. Shame on you who don't take your beliefs seriously and is ignorant about it but still spread it to others who would take it seriously and read about it. Uninformed, dishonest, logically flawed and convenience seeking christian. Go and read your bible jare!
2) Concluding without any evidence that not all part of the bible is "bible".
Correction : how did you know that not all part of the bible is bible? How can you tell which part is bible and which part is not? What if the part you think is Bible is actually not, how would you tell?

paxonel:
forget it,. your point can never be valid being and athiest who dont agree with bible in the first place.

You forget that pharoah days was still a primitive world, just like we have primitive africa today therefore soccery saw even commercialised.

But did the bible indicated anywhere that soccery were real practices like miracles?
Even if they were real, the primitive practice have died away over time.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God overlooked, but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Ofcourse we read how God parted the red sea for the israelites but does that mean it should be a normal practice today that whenever one need to cross a river he calls upon God in a world where beautiful bridges are constructed?

God is not primitive like that.

Lol. The shabbiest explanation to save your face but you failed woefully.

Acts 17:30 has nothing to do with the existence or outdated trend, as you claim, of witchcraft and voodoo. Acts 17:30 was talking about repentance and salvation and how god will no longer overlook those that fail to repent on the day of judgment because god has offered Jesus and people no longer have an excuse hence god's day of overlooking is over. It doesn't say that people have stopped practicing witchcraft or that witchcraft is primitive. Woeful defence on your part. I expected, after I replied you at first, to admit that you were wrong; witchcraft and voodoo indeed exist but people should work hard rather than kill their fellow human beings. You did not, instead because you wanted to defend your convenient position(a dishonest move given that I showed you the truth from the bible) and you want to be right by all means so you cooked up your trashy self defense.

The fact that you couldn't own up to your error but had to spend time to come up with such pathetic biblical defence to your unbiblical claim shows how dishonest and convenience seeking you are. It proves that you, indeed, twist the scriptures by all means to suit your convenient perspective even when it's obvious that it is unbiblical. I am sure you are one of those who bash atheists for not being true christians and not understanding the bible before they deconverted --- how ironic and laughable. You are a confusion maker, you don't even take your beliefs seriously yet you contribute to it's spread and indoctrination of people who would take it seriously.

Where is it written in the bible that witchcraft and voodoo are outdated? On what biblical basis would you say witchcraft and voodoo are outdated? None, except you want to stupidly make up one like your similarly did in your last post. You say witchcraft was practised in primitive times? So was christianity but does that make it outdated? Something being believed and practiced in primitive times does not imply that it would be outdated, such an abysmal logical fail from you and I am not surprised.

@bold
Did you read that from the bible or is that your personal opinion? Since when did christians put their opinions over the bible?

I have more to say but I will stop here. Go read your bible and good day.

paxonel:
oh! You are an athiest?

Reserve it for christians who reads bible not athiests like you.

And focus on your athiesm for your own good cos it make no sense jumping into holy books like bible you know nothing about ok

Stfu! I just made valid points and instead of you to admit that you are wrong, you start ranting like a lunatic and you ignored my point being the dishonest fellow that you are.

Given that the bible said "suffer not a WITCH to live" and told the story of Pharaoh's magicians replicating God's miracles, how can you call yourself a christian and not believe in witchcraft and voodoo? I DARE YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, COME ON!

Go and read your bible and know what it says rather than promoting something(christianity) you know nothing of and leading to the brainwashing of your children and multitude of others. Read your bible very well so you know what it says and even if you still want remain a christian despite reading the bible, at least you won't be hypocritical or ignorant about it.

itchie:
Their darling ocasio cortez hasn't taken long to expose herself for the ignorant dumbocrat that she is just like each and every last one of them, Float a dumb and stupid idea, and the democrats are sure to line up in support. Leave the country's borders open for anybody to come in whenever they wish, kill unborn children with taxpayers money, allow men to use the ladies toilets so long as the men believe they are also women(the dumbest of them all), make it illegal to say the words "merry Christmas" e.t.c these are the dumb policies of clueless liberals. I mean what are they afraid of Christmas for that you have to say happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas? Liberals are even waging a war against Christmas trees , what about the idea that you can choose to be whatever sex you want on any given day and have access to the opposite sexes private spaces if you just claim to be one of them what a gathering of the most idiotic set of people on earth!!!

I stopped coming here because I have seen that liberal sheeples are impossible to rehabilitate. They are a cancer of modern civilization and offenders of human rights. They oppress freedom of speech and get offended irrationally. They are also embodiment of human stupidity.

How Ocasio "large-eyes" Cortez became elected shows that people can be stupid.

enilove:
JOSEPH AND DANIEL DID NOT HAVE 2% OF THE WISDOM OF SOLOMON.

1 Kings 4:29-31 KJV
And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.
[30] And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt.
[31] For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about.

Being knowledgeable is not the same as being wise. A wise man wouldn't have disobeyed God and married plenty wives.

paxonel:
Singer Lil Kesh has reacted after Nigerians accused him and Olamide of promoting “Yahoo yahoo” and “blood money” in their collaborative new song, titled, “Logo benz”.

Lil Kesh has defended his song via a comment on Instagram. Kesh stated that they are not promoting what is not existence. Writing on a page, he wrote;

If money no enter I go do blood money o, talk your own. WE NOR DEY PROMOTE WETIN NOR DEY EXIST na awareness we dey do so spread your pata at owner’s risk because won ka pata o.

This is confirmation that
1.Blood money do not exist
2. Witchcraft do not exist
3. Juju do not exist
4. Die by fire prayer in churches do not exist

Please God and work for your money no mama or witchcraft in your village is blocking your success pastors are deceiving us for so long.

This nigeria we are living in, we caused problems to ourselves by believing in non sense

Hypocritical christian who don't read the bible but believe things at their own convenience. Didn't the bible say "suffer not a witch to live"? Didn't the bible support the existence of sorcery by telling how Pharaoh's magicians replicated some of Moses' miracles? How is it then that witchcraft and juju do not exist to you? How?

I am atheist but I get disappointed when you I see christians talking like they don't read their bible or that they are atheist. Funny thing is that you will indoctrinate your children with christianity and hand them the bible to read and if they are honest and not hypocritical like you, they end up believing everything in the bible and becoming dummies. They might even kill themselves using faith healing.

Get serious. It's either you are a christian or not. Go and read your bible.

luvmijeje:
In all honesty, the wisest man in the Bible is Joseph. I'm not impress by others. He was the only one that I felt never abuses the name of God. He never use God's name to force people to do his will.

Joseph and Daniel happened to be the wisest men in the bible.

KingThreatzz:
True, those legends should just take a seat or vie for the job. Every ex-footballer believes he is a football pundit/coaching material, when given the opportunity like Gary Neville, they flop like they never played football in their lives.
Thanks Mourinho, you left Man Utd at 6th position, qualified for Champion's league and in a better form.
If the Woodwards like, let them not buy players. Let them keep depending on Pogba and Lukaku

Depending on those two is like depending on weed to give you a trip like LSD.