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gensteejay:
I didn't even quote you when I made that comment, yet you felt the person I described looks like you.

Interesting.

As for your new age/Deepak Chopra bullshit, all this tripe you spew only shows the seriousness of your Alexia (word blindness) if not you wouldn't be making baseless accusations even after I stated yesterday that it's not a smart move to join any group, religion, or movement.

The major reason I made that statement was because of dogmatic folks like you, trying so hard to defend your atheistic dogma and ending up displaying your sociopathic tendencies.

You only said you were not affliated to any religion. You mentioned religion only. Regardless, it shows greatly that you are a new age philosophy hippy.

@bold
Really? Are you trying to lie or do you have dementia? After asking what you could possibly know about quantum mechanics, you replied with the show off and insult :

As a graduate of Physics that took a number of courses in Quantum Physics for 2 semesters during my university days and still follow latest developments in the field, who cares about the parochial, dogmatic opinion of A CHRONIC ATTENTION SEEKER?

How could this have been a reply to other "dogmatic folks like me"? Did the other folks question your knowledge of quantum physics? The upper case statement could only refer to a single person not a set of folks like me and that single person is Martinez19, obviously.

You are either a liar, a dementia stricken fellow, low iq person or someone who struggles with the English language. I think it's the first and third.

gensteejay:
As a graduate of Physics that took a number of courses in Quantum Physics for 2 semesters during my university days and still follow latest developments in the field, who cares about the parochial, dogmatic opinion of a chronic attention seeker?

The fool doesn't know he sounds like someone battling with a sociopathic condition.

Go and sit down. What hypocrisy. When I mentioned that I did philosophy in my university days and still studied it after, did it for one bit make you consider my legitimacy of my correct claims about metaphysics? Now you are flaunting your university experience with quantum mechanics and thinking it would hold any ground.

You may deceive others but not me. From your post, you are a new age philosophy hippy and a spawn of Deepak Chopra. Not even your shabby coup de grace could cover you up. I won't be surprised if you believe there is a link between quantum physics and consciousness.

gensteejay:
Mad people are usually ignored, unlike reasonable folks

Glad I could put your nonsense and delusory erudition to nothingness leaving you to resort to a cheap coup deal grace. As empty as they come.

gensteejay:
Yea. If we get answers to those specific ones, those answers will still generate new problems.

Those paranormal concepts are quite wide and complex to explain with the present models in science.

Even Quantum Physics fails to come up with a veridical explanation.

Methinks the theory of everything, when or if it ever gets successfuly formulated, has a key role to play in this regard.

Oh I see, a spawn of Deepak Chopra. Just Chopra himself, you have lent yourself to bastardizing the core principles of physics to formulate your nonsensical woo woo. What do you think you know about quantum mechanics? What do you think is referred to as the theory of everything? What a jolly ironic world!

@bold
How did you know this?

gensteejay:
Keep barking. When you get no response from me any longer, you will take your career as an Internet troll far from my vicinity.

You accused me of being ignorant of English and it's usage yet from your knowledge of English, you define me as a troll. I take no pleasure here, it's straight and sharp arguments as you can see. As I can see, you are a spawn of Deepak Chopra. Spawns of Chopra are usually filled with ignorance and false sense of erudition. You need to see them discuss such nonsense as the law of attraction with supreme confidence . Keep lending yourself well in bastardising quantum physics to formulate your nonsensical woo woo.

johnydon22:
So, summarily speaking, what you think is supernatural are just things we are ignorant of.

Ok. cool.

Was nice talking with you.

@gensteejay, so you accused me of being ignorant of English and it's usage yet this is how you define paranormal as an English-speaking guy.

Who are you fooling? You brought up this definition as a Coup de grace to salvage your failing position after I fished your bullshit out. Such a shabby coup de grace.

gensteejay:
Many are mad; few are roaming...

By George! What an evasive answer!

gensteejay:
OK, plagiarist. Who said metaphysics deals with the study of spiritual laws?

Lol.

Your opinion has been noted and duly discarded.

When I questioned you on the connection between spiritual laws and philosophy, why did you refer to metaphysics?

Nairaland, I want to thank you for granting me the opportunity to meet interesting and ridiculous minds that have evoked laughter and pity from the intellectually superior folks.

These interesting and ridiculous minds are: butterflylion, felixomor, oaroloye, sciencewatch, president1, Abbeyba¡Leyland and now gensteejay. This list goes on and still counting. In this world of mine, irony abounds. Christians call atheists fools for not having an imaginary friend and someone who believes in karma, law of attraction, reincarnation and the existence of spiritual laws in metaphysics is calling me a deranged dolt in addition to other names like ignorant, arrogant, foolish etc.
What a world!

gensteejay:
Yea.

Ah!

gensteejay:
Trash. See the fool lying about an issue that's not even up to a day old.

Go get yourself treated for Alexia.

Make sure you don't quote me again to type lengthy, unintelligible trash.

Keep cramming explanations of concepts aimlessly. Your low understanding of basic aspects in philosophy is quite shameful due to your penchant to cram things, without trying to understand them.

The genesis of this whole argument was that spirituality is an aspect of metaphysics, and since metaphysics is a branch of philosophy, spirituality is a concept in philosophy.

I'm less concerned whether you accept that fact or not. That's your problem to deal with.

If you feel otherwise, contact the owner of that website you plagiarised, Wikipedia, and other pedagogical authorities on this subject to let them know they are all wrong for including spirituality and religion as issues under philosophy.

Graduate wey no sabi basic concepts in philosophy, metaphysics.

Coming here to argue about things that are common knowledge with me, wasting my time.

Liar.

You are always fond of accusing me of things that you are guilty of. Before I continue, I shall repeat for the umpteenth time that I didn't plagiarise from any website. I mentioned that repeatedly and showed you a picture from the philosophy text that I have(Nairalanders can bear me witness) but it seems that you are plagued with dementia . Didn't I mention how common the definition and history of the word "metaphysics" are in philosophy and yet you insisted that I crammed just to argue with you. Dementia? Do you really think I would go through the stress of cramming to debate a nonsensical individual like thee?

@bold
Liar, dementia stricken.
The genesis of the current line of our argument was the connection of spiritual laws and philosophy. How can you say that metaphysics dealt with spiritual laws and I called you out on that bullshit. Metaphysics is not concerned with spiritual laws but the basic framework of existence

johnydon22:
So, I am curious about something; In your own thoughts, what sort of events would you refer to paranormal, supernatural, metaphysical, if you happen to witness?

Very good. Mr. Gensteejay the erudite philosopher and metaphysics expert, come and answer. Besides, you are yet to give us your spiritual laws and you are trying to dodge that one.

gensteejay:
I never said Nairaland atheists are dummies. I said YOU display a unique kind of stupidity on this forum.

Your facile approach to intellectual discussion and dogmatism represent a new low for you personally.

I'm sure you're not hearing this for the first time: You're grossly ill-mannered.

Lol. Can he get any more nonsensical? I never said you did. I said that, obviously, to imply that atheists here are not foolish to swallow anything from anyone and are not uninformed not to challenge and make their case. Now, face the post and don't use that statement to cover up, wasn't I right about you?

^^^
So gensteejay, you can see that you don't know jackshit about metaphysics and you are full of ignorance and delusory erudition. Here is a post of yours :

... Your poor command of English is the problem here.

The meaning of the prefix, "meta", is "beyond" or "higher". So, "meta-physics" means physics of things that are para-normal.

I hope I have not created another grammar problem for you by mentioning another prefix, "para".

It's not a coincidence that when you delve into meta-physics, you come across terms, such as "para-physics", "para-normal", "para-psychology", "para-psychic", etc.

So I hope you can see for yourself that you are disgracefully wrong about what metaphysics is all about. So please go and educate yourself. Nairaland atheists are not dummies. The fact that you could think that such a very very common definition and history of metaphysics was by all means lifted from a website shows you know nothing about metaphysics. It's like someone telling me that I lifted "mass is the quantity of matter in a body" from a website and that person is claiming to be a physicist.

I am enjoying this. Please, start deleting your posts because the self disgrace from your foolishness is hilarious.

I am loving this.

gensteejay:
Keep making a fool of yourself. You went to this website, http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Metaphysics, and lifted that your explanation of metaphysics but instead of you to read the whole article, educate yourself, and cure your ignorance, you didn't do that.

Here is an excerpt from the essay on metaphysics on that same website:

"Religion and spirituality
Theology is the study of a God or gods and the nature of the divine. Whether there is a God (monotheism), many gods (polytheism) or no gods (atheism), or whether it is unknown or unknowable whether any gods exist (agnosticism), and whether the Divine intervenes directly in the world (theism), or its sole function is to be the first cause of the universe (deism); these and whether a God or gods and the World are different (as in panentheism and dualism), or are identical (as in pantheism), are some of the primary metaphysical questions concerning philosophy of religion.

Within the standard Western philosophical tradition, theology reached its peak under the medieval school of thought known as scholasticism, which focused primarily on the metaphysical aspects of Christianity. While the work of the scholastics has been largely eclipsed in the wake of modern philosophy, key figures such as Thomas Aquinas still play an important role in the philosophy of religion."

Ignorant atheist.

I don't know how someone with a working brain would want to study metaphysics (essence of being) without touching crucial components of man, such as mind, spirit, consciousness, and soul, which are core spiritual aspects.

Now, if you can't see that spirituality is an aspect of metaphysics which, in turn, is a branch of philosophy, then your case is a lot more serious than I thought.

When next someone says spirituality is a concept in philosophy, this shouldn't sound strange to you because philosophy is a broad field that not only touches science, but also encompasses several others, like religion, law, ethics, morality, and so on.

SMH. No, I did not lift my explanation from that website. It's common knowledge that that's how the word "metaphysics" came to be. The fact you said I plagiarised shows you know nothing about metaphysics. The definition of metaphysics as the essence of being is so so common and the history I gave you is so so so common. I still have a text of philosophy which I used while in the university and both the definition and history are written there. So if I tell you that mass is the quantity of matter in a body and you saw that definition on a website, you would say I lifted? You are so d*ft

You can study metaphysics without touching spirits,soul and the likes. Not all students of metaphysics ascribe to your mystical nonsense. Your mystical nonsense is not a given in philosophy. Proposing such in philosophy will leave you guilty of logical fallacies. Thomas Acquinas got away because of the influence of the church. Today, philosophers would laugh at him.

Now, stop dishonestly distorting our argument. You said metaphysics is the study of the supernatural and you used the literary breakdown of the word "metaphysics" to prove your point and I countered it by giving you an accurate definition and history of the coinage of the word "metaphysics" to show that you know nothing and you are filled with ignorance and delusory erudition. I never denied that spirits, soul are the likes were a concept in metaphysics, all I said was that metaphysics is not the study of the supernatural but the study of the essence of being ie. the fundamental framework of existence and the fundamental framework of existence doesn't have to be supernatural.

It seems comprehension is your problem. Stop accusing me wrongly of denying that spirit, soul and the likes are not part of metaphysics. Metaphysics is not about supernatural stuffs but just about the fundamental framework of existence and that framework doesn't have to be spiritual. Isn't it?

How can I be the fool between you and I when through nonsensical logic and woo woo, you claim to know karma, law of attraction and reincarnation are real? Only slowpokes believe in karma and law of attraction. Both are mockery of human intelligence. By the way, Carl Jung is not infallible and even Sigmund Freud theories are untestable in the field psychology. Stop the appeal to authority.

Nonsense. Good bye for I am done arguing with you. Lastly, here is where I learnt what I schooled you on.

gensteejay:
This guy's stupidity is one of a kind. You're arrogantly ignorant.

I told you I KNOW the law of cause and effect as a universal concept.

The example you gave illustrates my view on causality or cause-and-effect.

Your problem is ignorance.

You need to read about the concept of cause and effect, as explained by Aristotle, and draw parallels with Karma, a related concept whose roots can be traced to the Indian culture and Asian religions.

For instance, as regards karma, it's believed in Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism that the soul of a wicked person gets reincarnated, in their next life by the entity the adherents see as God (Vishnus, Buddha or Brahma), in form of animals so they can suffer the consequences of their misdeeds.

There are some other karmic beliefs in those cultures that I haven't seen any evidence they are real. So I regard such notions as superstitious until I see any evidence that says otherwise.

If you compare causality as explained by prominent philosophers with karma in religion, you will see their similarities and differences.

Before I can accept anything as a truth, universal fact, I would read about it, check pieces of evidence for and against it and base my conclusion on the veracity of such evidence.

So, as a matter of fact, I know, not believe, reincarnation is a universal concept, so are causality, Carl Jung's synchronicity, and other concepts.

Nonsense. Later, you will call me stupid and ignorant but you are displaying both here.

ralphyoung123:
This guys are really funny, they are something else

As in. I laughed when I read that nonsense.

gensteejay:
You studied philosophy in 100L? And you don't know the meaning of meta-physics.

Wow, you're a textbook example of Nigeria's failed Western education model.

Don't cram; they wouldn't listen. You don't even understand the definition of meta-physics you crammed verbatim.

This guy is extremely stupid. Lol

Your poor command of English is the problem here.

The meaning of the prefix, "meta", is "beyond" or "higher". So, "meta-physics" means physics of things that are para-normal.

I hope I have not created another grammar problem for you by mentioning another prefix, "para".

]It's not a coincidence that when you delve into meta-physics, you come across terms, such as "para-physics", "para-normal", "para-psychology", "para-psychic", etc.

A so-called educated person does not know that spirit, soul, consciousness and related spiritual aspects are para-normal concepts, studied in metaphysics.

They don scam this one for school

I will post the laws when I am less busy.

Can you see your life? Metaphysics doesn't mean paranormal and that was not how the word was originated in the first place. Now let me educate you:

The word "metaphysics" was the coinage of Andronicus of Rhodes who edited Aristotle's work. Metaphysics derives from two Greek words; "meta" which means "after" and "physika" which means "within the confines of nature."
After putting the works of Aristotle together under Physics ie. the part that dealt with physics under title "Physics", Andronicus did not know what to call the treatise that follow as there was no name, then, for the study of the essence of being so he called them "after-physics" because they were the treaties left after compiling Aristotle's work on Physics. The name was in reference to Andronicus arrangement of Aristotle's work.
With time, the term "metaphysics" became accepted as the official name for the branch of Philosophy dealing with the essence of being

If you can prove me wrong on this, then I would never visit Nairaland again. I told you that you were parading yourself and beating about the bush in ignorance and a delusory sense of erudition. Metaphysics is not the study of supernatural stuff.

@bold
Actually, it's the other way round.

@red
It's not a matter of English but a study of the history of philosophy. It seems you don't know anything.

@blue
Trash.

Still waiting for your spiritual laws in metaphysics. Trust me, I have your time today. Nonsense.

gensteejay:
And you don't know you can't separate terms, like "soul", "spirit", "consciousness", from the "essence of being".

Even though you plagiarized that your definition of metaphysics, you understand so little about it.

Go look for good books or websites on metaphysics, a branch of philosophy, and read so you can see how the metaphysical are always connected to the spiritual.

@bold
Hold it right there, I studied philosophy in my 100lvl at the university and after I left university, I still studied it personally. The definition "metaphysics is the study of the essence of being" is so popular and I don't see how someone would accused me plagiarism on that. You might as well tell me that I plagiarised when I say "mass is the quantity of matter in the body." I even added "the fundamental framework of existence" to further explain and yet you tell me that I plagiarised. *sign*

Don't try to pull a fast one. Weren't you talking about the so called spiritual laws in philosophy? Now you have changed to just "spirits", "soul" & "consciousness". Now, as other atheists asked, what are these spiritual laws? You are yet to provide answers rather you are beating around the bush in ignorance and delusory erudition. What are the spiritual laws you were talking about and how did you arrive at them?

It seems anyone can call their delusory beliefs metaphysics and parade as a philosopher. Metaphysics doesn't mean mystical or supernatural, it seeks to understand the fundamental framework of existence and the fundamental framework of existence doesn't have to be spiritual. Your religious or mystical beliefs are not philosophy. Still want to showcase your ignorance?

gensteejay:
Your ignorance is epic. I'm not sure you have ever heard of metaphysics.

This shows your level of knowledge. SMH

I don't have your time for now. Keep exposing yourself as an ignorant fellow.

Metaphysics doesn't mean mystical or supernatural. It's a branch of philosophy that seeks to understand the essence of being ie. the fundamental framework of existence. Which one is spiritual laws? Do you think we are dumb on the thread? You call me dumb yet it is you who believes in law of attraction, karma and the likes. Don't deny you believe in karma because, while you were evasive on that issue with HardMirror's questions, you gave yourself away with

The politician will bear the consequences of his evil actions if not in this lifetime, in his next life.

Am I lying?

You are the ignorant one here. Philosophy and spiritual laws? Lwkmd

Cc. HardMirror, johnydon22

johnydon22:
lol. Ok.

You can see that I stopped replying him. Philosophy and spiritual laws? Mokun mogbe modaran.

gensteejay:
It is people like this that go about insulting others online anyhow on big fora like Quora and give all Nigerians a bad name.

If you can't engage in a discussion with others online in a civil manner, simply discard your phone and go relate with animals, whose class you belong.

Learn proper netiquette.

Lol. Look at this one. I am not interested in an intellectual argument with you. I only dropped facts. What you choose to believe is not my business. If you like, go and embrace christianity or Islam, I am not concerned.

gensteejay:
Go get yourself checked up in a rehab. You don smoke igbo abi. Your posts are not coherent.

Who even mentioned having belief in Christianity, money ritual here if not you? Oponu

I will ignore you henceforth. I don't engage in back-and-forth with mentally unstable people.

You've a big attitude issue.

I never said you believed in christianity. I know you don't ascribe to any religion since I carefully read your earlier posts. I listed your beliefs together with other ridiculous ones. Ever wondered why I put the "etc."?

What I typed is the truth. Foolish people believe stupidly and act stupidly. That's a fact not an insult. A smart guy can't believe in something so ridiculous and childish as karma.

gensteejay:
You can shove this lengthy, meaningless balderdash you typed into your *hit hole and first learn how to discuss maturely with people online without insulting others, in a bid to sound intelligent.

Ill-mannered dolt!

I never insulted you, I simply said things as they are. If you are offended, that's your business not mine. Funny how people freely embrace daft beliefs and get offended if someone calls them stup1d. If you don't want to be called foolish, stop doing and believing foolish things. You can't believe in karma, law of attraction, christianity, money ritual etc. and still demand to be respected, or at least regraded, as a wise guy --- it just can't be. The universe does not owe you any respect for believing in ridiculous garbages and falsehoods with no concrete basis in reality.

You should sit down and correct your intellectual failings.

gensteejay:
The politician will bear the consequences of his evil actions if not in this lifetime, in his next life.

What is your view on consciousness, soul, reincarnation?

This renders karma untestable and therefore laughable because there is no knowing if there is a next life or reincarnation. Even if there is a next life, its sure that the reincarnated are not aware of their past lives(since the human mind is at tabula rasa at birth) and are therefore different individuals (with different genetic make up and environment) and this would make the payment of their karmic debt from previous lives an absurd injustice.

You took time in answering HardMirror's question because you know that our politicians' lifestyles make a great mockery of karma.
It's a shame that in this age people are still daft and intellectually poor and dishonest to spot cause and effect given two or more factors to consider and this is why you see people attributing success and good health to god, believing in karma and other absurd and ridiculous garbages like law of attraction.

Take a look at this statement :
"if you feel attractive about yourself, others will feel attracted to you." Do you know millions of individuals believe this nonsense? How can this be? Seems stupidity is an unnoticed and underestimated flaw of the human mind.

The world is simply cause and effect. It's not for moral or compassionate men but for the strong and powerful. Only them can have and take it by force.

OKOATA:
Bro I wasn't the only one. I just didn't understand how much father would be so mean. I remember when I had my wedding, he wanted to shift date and I told him me and my fiance already planned it all, can you believe he didn't come for my wedding. Me no even send am.

Very good.

Nice thread Johnydon22. I lost my father at a very young age and had to do my own growing up. Wisdom, critical thinking, knowledge and rationality helped me in this regard. The only problem that I frowned at was how mumsy submerged my brain in religion. My dad was just as described even though he made some wrong decisions in life.

OKOATA:
When I was young father would beat me like a goat, he would naked me and beat me and pour red pepper on my body for things that doesn't make sense. I remember the day our dog bite me my dad still beat me join. Make he con try am now na punch I go give am.

If this is true, then this is child abuse not discipline. Your father needs psychiatric evaluation.

johnydon22:
What prompted me to open this thread was a Youtube video i was watching today.

So, some women created an Advert and posted at an ad space in Liverpool The ad read

Woman:
noun
"Adult human female"

Which is in fact the definition of woman. So, apparently it was offensive to transgender people and they petition to have the ad banner taken down.

One of the activists who wanted the post to be taken down and one of the women who posted the ads were connected to a tv show to argue on this event.

The woman said, they did nothing wrong other than post a literal objective truth, that asking someone not to post a truth in order not to offend someone is quite ludicrous.

The man disagreed and was asked to define "Woman"

He said "A woman is a person who says she is a [woman"

I was amazed because that definition didn't literally make sense at all. It didn't explain what the word "woman" meant and still used the word "Woman" in the definition of "Woman"

My mind was blown, it was funny but mind blowing.

Don't mind them. Emotions before reasoning. This stupidity is just a tip of the iceberg. Research about the SJWs and their take on race,culture and gender(not forgetting gender studies and gender pronouns); feminazi; antifa; liberals etc. you will see how stupid the human mind can be.

I guess I am six years old because I identify as a six year old.

johnydon22:
This is the section where we have the most liberal minded folks especially my atheist friends. The subject of transgender is quite a sensitive one in the world today, so i am brining it again to this board.

And my argument is: A man cannot be a woman neither can a woman be a man

I want arguments that can possibly change my mind on this otherwise conservative view of human gender.

I am with you on this one. A man cannot be a woman and a woman cannot be a man. Liberal folks need to distinguish between gender and sexual orientation. There are two genders and you can't switch.