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wegevv:
I don't only believe mine. I believe others too. I won’t believe others that contradict my conviction though❤️

Secondly I don’t expect anything. I just share ❤️

Earlier you said you don’t believe others only yours because it is firsthand.
Then you should listen to your own advice only share your experiences to those that don’t contradict your conviction.

You can only expect what you give out. Share to only those that don’t contradict your conviction, listen to your advice ❤️

wegevv:
I keep saying I don’t expect anyone else to accept my own experience my friend. I’ve said many times in this thread that faith is individual and based upon each person’s personal experience.

I hope my experience will help others to find their own experience and conviction. I don’t expect them to believe mine and run with it lol ❤️

That’s hypocritical, you should listen to your advice, you yourself said you don’t believe other experiences because it’s not first hand why then do you hope others will use your own experiences that they did not experience firsthand.

That’s hypocrisy, you should also start using other people’s experiences so you can find your own experience and convictions ❤️

wegevv:
When you asked this I took that to mean you were asking about my experiences. If I assumed wrong then I apologise ❤️

I was replying to when you said this “He hasn’t told me so how can I know lol”
Why using your experience to answer a question when you won’t accept other experiences because it’s not firsthand.

Apology accepted ❤️

wegevv:
Indeed ❤️



When you asked this I took that to mean you were asking about my experiences. If I assumed wrong then I apologise ❤️

Kinda hypocritical too, if you only “believe” your own first hand experience, but you expect people to accept or reject your experience ❤️

wegevv:
It’s a free world thankfully. I can share my experiences as I please. And everyone can chose to reject them as they please ❤️

You’re right about flying. If Clark Kent refuses to show his powers to anyone then he can’t get mad if no one believes him when he says he can fly. I can’t prove my experiences so I don’t get mad when people call me stupid/crazy ❤️

But you yourself won’t believe others experience because you did not experience it firsthand, is that not hypocritical then if you expect people to accept or reject your own experiences?

Exactly he can’t get mad if no one “believes” it, I’m sure he Will prefer them to “know”.
You won’t even believe your own experience if you did not have it firsthand, why should anyone be mad? ❤️

wegevv:
I haven’t asked you to do anything with my experiences lol. You asked me about them. I said when I’m ready to share on here I’ll cc you ❤️

I don’t believe other’s experiences because I rather believe what I’ve experienced first hand. No one has to believe mine either ❤️

No it was you that brought up your experiences has the only way to know that yahweh is the creator, I didn’t ask you about your experiences what am i gonna do with it? ❤️

Exactly just like you, you only “believe” your own experience firsthand. It’s fine lol, we can’t all feel the same thing the same way ❤️

wegevv:
That’s not a good example because it’s an ability not an experience.

It’s right to prove it if you can. I’ve said many times I can’t lol. If I could I would (unless I had reason not to) ❤️

It’s a good example, He is telling me his experiences not showing me his abilities.


Then just like the person claiming they can fly you should stop making claims about it lol, both of you can’t prove your experiences ❤️

wegevv:
When I’m ready to share my personal experiences on here I’ll be sure to cc you

The psalms are awesome ❤️

What am I going to do with your experiences that you can’t prove? 😂
Why don’t you “believe” everyone experiences?


Yeah, they are awesome, mostly gotten from the Egyptians ❤️

wegevv:
You’re right I don’t believe everyone’s experiences. I believe mine.

It’s a free world so I will share my experiences to my friends and others as I chose. They don’t have to accept it. I won’t force them. I can’t prove anything. I can’t save anyone. Only God can do that ❤️

Lol, you don’t know your experience, you yourself just believe it lol.

If you are making claims of your experience it’s only right to prove it, it’s like someone saying they can fly and you ask them to prove it and they say they can’t, and that you should either accept it or reject it. You will also have to be prove that “yahweh can do that” ❤️

wegevv:
Btw I added to my answer a little before you responded. Forgive me I wanted to be clearer.

I don’t have to know why. He hasn’t told me so how can I know lol

I’m happy to live in my ignorance for Christ though. It’s a free world thankfully ❤️

When did he tell you that “he” is “God”? And that “he” wrote a book? When did “he” tell you that “he” gave birth to Jewish child?

Psalm 73:22
Then I was senseless and ignorant;
I was like a beast before You.

wegevv:
I can’t. I’ve said I can’t many times lol

Then keep your unproven experience to yourself 😂

I’m sure you don’t “believe” everyone experiences, if you do you will be worshipping Gods in various forms.

wegevv:
These are all valid points. Yes if I was the creator and those are my intentions then yes I could easily tell all the characters so all of them can believe. Unless there was a reason not to.

Looks like God decided different. I don’t know why. I don’t have to know why to believe ❤️

Your characters won’t have to believe in you anymore, they will now Know. If there is a reason to it, it’s still on you.
The absence of knowledge creates beliefs.

Since you know that your god, yahweh decided differently, then you should know why, you can’t be cherry picking your ignorance so you can continue basking in your belief ❤️

wegevv:
That’s fine. But you can’t prove that. You’d have to invent a machine to get inside my head and see all my experiences to that ❤️

You can only disprove what is a established fact, prove all your experiences ❤️

wegevv:
PS: I don’t mind that most smart people see all religions as equally stupid (with your Zeus example for instance). I fully understand where you’re coming from. If I didn’t have my conviction I’d be right there with you lol

And your conviction is gotten from Jewish books that was indoctrinated in you from birth lol.

If you were born in qurash tribe your convictions will be different, ask a muslim.

wegevv:
What do you mean how lol

If I’m a software engineer and I create a game of very intelligent characters then decided to tell one character that I’m indeed the person that created their world and prove to them but showing them something that should not be possible then that character might believe me. They can’t prove it to other characters but they know.

Again it’s an example lol. I know AI of today has no free will. Imagine they do as an example ❤️

Is it not you that created the game and the characters?
Is it not you that also decided to “tell” one of your characters in the game that it’s you?
Is it not you that gave the characters intelligent, deciding how they approach and respond to Data?
If you want all characters to know that you created the world, you would have done it in the beginning when you were creating it but you didn’t, you could even do a system update to tell them.
Everything is on you, the characters don’t have only say.

Understand your example lol, can you imagine Al creating itself the same way the software engineer did ❤️

wegevv:
It’s an example. Anyway we mostly agree. You keep asking me a question at the end that I’ve answered. The intelligence within the game can’t prove anything. In the example I gave above it can only know but it can’t prove. Try to imagine it’s a sophisticated AI game if that helps.

Christians can’t scientifically prove God exists even if He reveals Himself to them and they know he exists. God ultimately choses who he reveals himself to. It is God that saves.

I’m asking questions base on that example too.

How did the intelligence in the game arrive that their is a software engineer?
Hasn’t he proven that a software engineer exists?
Al only knows what it’s inputted it, it has no free will, you should reimagine again.


“Zeus worshippers can’t scientifically prove God exists even if He reveals Himself to them and they know he exists. Zeus ultimately choses who he reveals himself to. It is Zeus that saves.”
We agree on that.

How did the intelligence within the game arrive to the conclusion that there is a software engineer? ❤️

wegevv:
We can’t scientifically prove it to everyone. That’s what I keep saying. I’m not even arguing with you, I’m agreeing with what you’re saying lol

But humour me for a second and imagine the software engineer decided to reveal himself to one player in the game. Maybe by someway that broke the physics of the game for an instance. How would that in game character go and prove the existence of the software engineer. They can’t unless the software engineer decided to reveal himself to another in game character.

Christians believe it is God that gives salvation. When he shows Himself to you it will be hard not to believe. But no human is going to prove once and for all that he believes with science and empirical data.

I personally don’t care that other religions have their own believes and testimonies. I’m not trying to hold on to God through that kind logic. I’ll happily admit that I’m stupid for Christ ❤️

We can disprove the mythology of yahweh the same we can for zeus.
I’m also agreeing with you, we can’t disprove any god “scientifically”, your yahweh is existing alongside other gods each powerful the same way.

The characters in a game does not have free will, so if the character thinks he is “breaking the physics” of the game, it’s all part of the program set up by the software engineer.
Also how will proving the existence of the software engineer affect the characters in the game?
What is the impact of their “belief” to the software engineer or to the characters?

The same way christians “believe”, other religionist also “believe”, no different.

How did the intelligence within the game prove that the software engineer exists? ❤️

wegevv:
And I answered your question. Yes it would make the intelligence within the game stupid. I accept that as a Christian others will consider me stupid. Happy now?

My faith is individual and based on my personal experiences which has given me conviction. I can’t logically prove it or explain it to most other people. I can only share my testimony which is anecdotal. I won’t argue if someone says that is stupid.

I can’t see the evidence that proves the Christian God does not exist though. Just like the intelligence within the game won’t be able to prove the software engineer does not exist ❤️

It’s not only christians that worship a god.
A Christian is like an apple laptop claiming his software engineer is yahweh
A Muslim is a dell laptop claiming his software engineer is allah.
A zeus worshipper is a Hp laptop claiming zeus and Olympian gods is the Creator.

Imagine a Apple laptop claiming Tim cook is omnipotent.


So as other thousands of religions, one of the central theme among religions is faith and belief, knowledge is not required. They also have their own testimonies lol

How did the intelligence within the game prove that the software engineer exists? ❤️

wegevv:
I have been responding to my specific claim that it would be very difficult to disprove the existence of a Christian God. Now you’re talking about something else so I’ll reply to that (even though if you read my other replies in this thread I’ve already addressed it):

You’re implying that people like me are stupid/crazy for believing in said God. I can understand why you’d say that. If you’re relying on just human logic then yes you’re correct. I believe faith is individual and only attained through personal experiences. No one can scientifically prove beyond doubt to everyone that God exists. But that doesn’t prove that he doesn’t exist either

So on that point we actually agree ❤️

Disproving the isrealite god yahweh is easy as disproving zeus.

I didn’t imply anything.
I ask a question.

The intelligence within the game also doesn’t worship or believe in the software engineer.
Does the intelligence within the game also claim that the software engineer created everything?
Won’t that make the intelligence within the game stupid?
Imagine a Apple laptop claiming Tim cook is omnipotent.

zeus is a God that has been disproved, the Christian God, yahweh has too, even allah, Odin etc.

Or do you agree these Gods exist alongside your christian god?
If no, how were you able to “scientifically” disprove them?

wegevv:
I have no idea. The fact that I don’t know that doesn’t disprove there is a God just like the created intelligence within the game has no idea where the software engineer sourced the material.

I don’t need to know any of that just yet ❤️

You are just regurgitating what they told you.

The intelligence within the game also doesn’t worship or believe in the software engineer.
Does the intelligence within the game also claim that the software engineer created everything?
Won’t that make the intelligence within the game stupid?
Imagine a Apple laptop claiming Tim cook is omnipotent.
How did the intelligence within the game know that the software’s engineer created everything?

What idea does the intelligence within the game has?
What idea do you have?

wegevv:
Lol the God that created this world would not have to conform to the realities of the world he created just like a software engineer does not have to conform to the realities of a game he designed

The software engineer sourced the materials of his game outside of himself, if your god created everything, where did he source the material from to create everything?

And do characters in a game have free will?
Haven’t the software engineer set up all the motives of the game characters from beginning to end, assigning the characters with whatever fate he wishes them?

correctguy101:
Oh.

Closing one eye on some matters makes a person a fool? Sorry, I'm not sure I really understand what you meant.

Eyes and ears are there for what reason really? To see and hear, not exactly to judge anybody's reaction to whatever it is they see or hear. If you feel different, it's also okay.., (if you know what I mean by saying it's also okay, lols)

And I suspect you might have a point by saying the opposite of love is not hate but indifference. I think you do....

I'm liking your direction of thought when you spoke about the Almighty Nothing...

Lols

It’s now “some matters” not everything? I don’t think you understand yourself.
Bwahahahah
“ You'll soon learn to close one eye to everything you see”.

Eyes and ears are there for us to be sensuous. When you judge someone reaction, you are judging the past. While at it you should look up the origin of the word “person”.

“opposite of love is not hate but indifference“ is a basic philosophical statement, I suspect you had no knowledge of it before now.

And You still don’t get it, there’s no almighty nothing anywhere.

Like i said, baby food 😆

correctguy101:
Yes my gee...

You'll soon learn to close one eye to everything you see, or hear that's if you already haven't gotten there..

Then Mighty Mr Indifference will embrace you...

SMH

Only a fool does that, eyes and ears are there for a reason.
Do you yourself use this advice?

“Mr Indifference”? The opposite of love is not hate but indifference.

Baby food!

correctguy101:
You're getting there..

Lols

Really

budaatum:
So, empiricism is not so bad, and your problem seems to be Amorc it seems.

Who said it was, Bud?

You are not seeking any knowledge, you and your masters are still ignorant gobbling up jewish mythologies or does it go further to kemet as alchemy.

Bud bud 😂

budaatum:
I'm going to do two responses to this, this is the first.

Why do you blurt out nonsensical things that you have no evidence whatsoever for and that are untrue but expect one to believe you?

It’s you that lack knowledge of your cult Bud.
And your screenshot from quora says nothing lol

“Yeah probably” then went on to quote a random person that’s an “atheist”, I wondered where he met “most atheists”.
Another one, “most people are empiricist” bwahahahah

Most empiricist are theists, the father of empiricism is a theist.
The founders of Amorc are theists.

FreeStuffsNG:
Yvonne Nelson has fired back again and dragged in their daughters. Battle from generation to generation.

“Yes, I wasn’t ready but then I told you to keep it. So don’t make it seem like I was pushing you for abortion,” he raps in the first verse of the song.

Sarkodie don buy market. He was not ready but was going around impregnating only to be grandstanding today that he told her to keep it. Soro niyen? Will she feed the baby with sawdust?

Now I think people are right when they say wahala no dey finish.
Check my signature for free stuffs!

How was he going around impregnating? Was he forcing or raping them?
Slme People that don’t have as much money as her and they have kids and they don’t feed them with “sawdust”.

budaatum:
And isn't trial and error an advancement on orthodoxy which means "authorized or generally accepted theory, doctrine, or practice"?

The authorized or generally accepted theory, doctrine, or practice in Nigeria is to believe in Gods. Empiricist are here arguing that gods don't exist and are being disparaged as quacks.

Of course it is an ADVANCEMENT.

Bud, Nigeria is a secular state.

Most empiricist are theists, the father of empiricism is.
The founders of Amorc are theists.

budaatum:
So, empiric as opposed to orthodoxy.

The orthodoxy in Nigeria today is "God created Heaven and Earth".

The Empiricist would say, "show me evidence for this God first, then we can discuss it creating anything".

You should look up what “ortho” and “doxa” mean.
And the screenshot said “medical orthodoxy”.

the term "empiric" was originally used as a disparaging term for quack doctors who relied on trial-and-error methods rather than established medical knowledge.

budaatum:
You really should read more.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empiricism

It’s you that should, especially about your cult.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/philosophy-and-religion/philosophy/philosophy-terms-and-concepts/empiricism#:~:text=The%20term%20itself%20is%20of,(341%E2%80%93270%20B.C.E.).

Yes he is the “Father of Empiricism”, the doctrine you are profusely defending here.

The doctrine of Empiricism was first explicitly formulated by the British philosopher John Locke in the late 17th Century.

budaatum:
There you go again posting what you know nothing about.

Francis Bacon is known as the Father of Empiricism, and if you knew what the word meant and anything of the time he was writing you'd not make the faux pas you make here.

That will be you basking in a cult you know nothing about, Neophyte.

Upgrade your faux knowledge to better understand this “ Even the students of Francis Bacon, your fellow occultists knows.”

Even the students of Francis Bacon, your fellow occultists knows.