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Ekpeitit:
This is the permutation of a useless Igbo man.

Your usefulness sir, I salute .

PaChukwudi44:
The PDP presidential candidate in 2023 will be a northerner. better face reality. neither Igbo nor yorubas will produce the presidency in 2023

It will get to a point the North and yoruba will agree to let an igbos person rule, for peace to reign, since they can't trust each other with power.

Oshigun:
You should stop commenting on SW politics. Clearly you are fascinated by our politics but you simply don't know enough to be an informed or even minimally useful critic.

Tinubu did not betray Ambode. Ambode betrayed himself. The guy was so arrogant and disrespectful to APC leaders who made him Governor that the decision to remove him was unanimous. Did you not see the result of the guber primaries where Sanwo-Olu defeated Ambode with over 800,000.00 votes? Does that not show how unpopular Ambode was? Tinubu even initially tried to protect Ambode but the noise of "Ambode must go" from APC leaders was so unanimously loud that Tinubu had to chill.

Ambode had no political structure and was an unknown many worked to make Governor only for him to become dismissive and arrogant towards those who battled for his emergence. Furthermore, he was not helped by a Patience Faka GEJ-type of wife he could not keep in check who went around offending everyone. Even Ambode knows he erred.

That is why he is going around today in total commitment to the APC project despite being ousted. That is Yoruba political sophistication at work right there you will never understand let alone learn to use to be politically effective. Look at the vote below to understand this was beyond Tinubu and was a very well-supported ambush of a a Governor everyone wanted gone.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.pulse.ng/news/politics/sanwo-olu-defeats-ambode-with-over-800-000-votes-id8929891.html

Bro, from the beginning I stated that Ambode had no structure, that is why he was the victim.

Now fashola knowing who tinubu was started early to build his structure. He has to fire ambode who was a tinubu loyalist and a snitch in his government. By the second tenure, tinubu wanted to remove him but he already had a structure.

Not just did he return for second tenure, he already started preparing himself for the federal level. He did not depend on tinubu to represent him, he went with amechi and made his contribution in his name.

By the time buhari won, tinubu brought Ambode to become governor. Wanted to use Ambode to expose fasholas corruption, but it was too late. Fashola already paid his dues. That was the beginning of tinubus humiliation at the federal level. Because he could not control fashola or influence his rejection by the party.

Now instead of ambode to learn from fashola, he saw fashola as a traitor and depended totally on tinubu as a loyal son. Knowing that he depended on tinubu 100% , There is nothing tinubu would tell him to.do or not to do that he won't obey. But because tinubu will smile at you while planning behind your back, Ambode did not see it coming. By the time the picture was clear it was too late.

Even when the presidency tried to intervene on ambodes behalf, he refused completely, because he does not want to create another fashola in Lagos. Not if buhari wins, ambode will bank on federal powers to return. He had to bring in a fresh loyalist.

Mind you that tinubus first choice with buhari was a mistake that cost him and the entire nation a lot. But because he saw how violent the North was for power, considering the fact that Jonathan had an agreement for 1 term with the North, he would have been in trouble if he supported Jonathan.

Even obasanjo had to wash his hands off Jonathan, not because he was doing so badly, but because he was a witness to that agreement. Supporting Jonathan then would mean standing against the angry and violent north that was ready to burn down Nigeria.

Even Jonathan knew what it would result to and handed over.

Today, Nigeria is worse than it was. They subsidy that Jonathan wanted to remove is still there and we are paying more for fuel. So Jonathan's removal was not about incompetence, but the agreement he had for 1 tenure.

Like I said, tinubu will not fight buhari openly, but you will see his handwriting on the other side. This is 2 northerners battling it out now, and there is no agreement with anybody.

The igbo issue is settled, even if igbos vote atiku and buhari wins, power won't be given to tinubu.

Remember, buhari is not the one ruling Nigeria, and those ruling from behind won't spare tinubu if they suspect him of foul play. If they could frustrate Aisha Buhari, who is tunubu?

Oshigun:
Mekaboy, my brother, how market? Is this not what I have been telling you now confirmed today with Tinubu's statement at the swearing in of Osun Governor?

https://www.nairaland.com/4870594/solidly-behind-buhari-no-room

Lol. The same tinubu that betrayed ambode? The one in the picture below? He is consistent with his character of change. Do u expect him to attack buhari publicly and join the travel ban list?

. This is APC.

Oshigun:
The main problem with you and most Igbos is that you say what you wish to happen rather than what the reality of the day indicates can happen. All your fabrications above are not even worth addressing suffice to say anyone who works with the reality on the ground will accept Igbos cannot produce the President in 2023. May God spare us all till then.

You might be right but that also means we will never have a Nigeria that works. Because even the yorubas that voted Buhari because of tinubu have lost their jobs today. Tinubu himself who worked for Buhari is humiliated. We have become the poverty capital of the world and I am Sure that igbos don't contribute up to 10 % of those extremely poor in Nigeria.

The more you try to suppress the igbos the more the entire nation sinks.

You don't want igbos to have a sea port close to them so they can come to Lagos? No problem, they come with their business, buy land build houses. Drag their customers to Lagos. Then everyone has to suffer the traffic. The same people who want to work against the igbos I'll wake up by 3 am to go to work, come back by 11 pm because of traffic. Endanger their health because of lack of sleep. So you can work against the igbos and have peace.

By 2023, both the North and the West will beg the igbos to become president for peace and trust to reign.

Hmm. Sophisticated people that want a better Nigeria. Trust them at your own peril.

They have become as rotten as APC rice. Like Adeosun like momoh.

Firgemachar:
Rubbish!

You speak like someone in his early twenties.

How can Igbos be gunning for VP under Atiku and at the same time be 'longthroating' 2023 presidency under APC
Isn't that daft

I will like to see Yoruba and Igbo go head to head in 2023 for the presidency.

Any Abiola scenario will always produce an Obasanjo.

Igbos are more interested in a Nigeria which works for all than presidency. They are not like those that will sell their own for VP position. Elevate osibanjo and humiliated tinubu.

Igbos are not eyeing the presidency, the presidency is eyeing them. They just want th igbos to stay one place so that it will be handed over. They are the ones that both the North, and yorubas hate, but can only trust.

Igbos are still willing to sacrifice their ambition for a working Nigeria.

Yes, Osibanjo was made VP and over 11 million Nigerians lost their jobs, including those that voted buhari because of tinubu in his television station. Even lost, olu falaye humiliated and adeosun dismissed, Tinubu humiliated. So is the VP position worth all that?

Isn't this pastor tunde bakare that campaigned for him expressing shock?


https://www.thecable.ng/232093-2/amp

https://www.thecable.ng/232093-2/amp

That was a wrong move, which even Tinubu knows.

Oshigun:
Be deluding yourself. Northerners live peacefully in the SW and share religion with many of the people there. Yorubas are not money-obsessed. We will migrate for better financial opportunies and comparatively good/better lifestyle.

Whether you want to admit it or not, most Yorubas already feel they have the best lifestyle they can live in Nigeria in the SW. Culture, entertainment, security, professional job market, harmonious religious/ ethnic co-existence with others etc, etc. When Opportunities to gain an overall better life presents itself then the Yorubas take it hence their large numbers in the UK, USA and other nations more developed than their own.

That you live in the North means nothing as they know, certainly today anyway, you are there for money and do not love or respect them . Hence their youth, perhaps more radical and intolerant than the old generation gaving Igbos 3 months to leave the North. Look at how you guys even insult Northerners here daily. The younger ones, unlike the older generation, can now access these hateful rants targeted against them and will sensitize others. Keep deluding yourself anyway. It is what you do.

Did the igbos leave the North? Can u live with people you don't trust?

Even the young northerner youths are told by their fathers who is a real threat between igbos and yorubas.

The youbas hardly leave outside because they can't trust themselves, talk more of others. They know they can easily betray and therefore, believe can will also be betrayed.

Igbos know they can be trusted, they move in to dangerous territories because they can be trusted. Even the most dangerous dictators in the world, still respect people they can trust.

The North needs someone they can trust their word and that's the igbos. The SW still needs someone they can trust, and it happens to be the same igbos.

Even when Obasanjo was in power, he needed okonjo iweala that he can trust with the finances of this Nation.

He told buhari that the only way he support him was pick okonjo iweala as vp. Because be could trust her with the finances of this Nation.

Now Buhari took Adeosun just to please the west, and in less than 3 years, the true colour showed. He didn't even care about what the west will say, he just replaced her with a Northerner he can trust. If not that 2019 was around the corner, he would have gotten an igbo to replace her.

He would say in his mind that Obasanjo was right.

A minute of silence for channels TV. We can see what the sophisticated people stand for .

Oshigun:
Seriously, this is the obduracy and emotional talk and outlook that has rendered the Igbos the worst politicians in Nigeria. You keep banging on about Abiola, Lamido Sanusi et al without realising there are new realities and new players at work today.

Even indulging your flawed historical fantasy, are you saying the North will only be guided by ancient history while ignoring what igbos are doing directly against them today? They will ignore the negative experience with the Igbos over the past decades and Kanu/IPOB current antics.

They will then reject their good and cordial relationship with the SW over the same period to support the ambition of those who openly profess hatred for them and bang on about secession the North is not a fan of and will feel the Igbos want to gain through the Presidency? You guys are so emotional, unrepentant and frankly delusional to the point it is tragic to witness.

With everything Kanu and the Igbos are doing, the igbos are still living with them. But the yoruba allies choose to keep a distance. They know the real enemies.

What a shame. HAS channels become as rotten as the APC rice?

Because you are a national embarrassment.

Oshigun:
Once again, the emotion-tainted talk continues. Tinubu is the ultimate political animal. He is driven by permanent interest and not permanent friendship or enmity.

His permanent interest, if you still yet to discern it, his progress for the SW and the region attaining the apex of political power in Nigeria.

The guy has no interest in revenge. It is only you guys obsessed with politics of revenge and hate. Tinubu is working pragmatically with PMB to get what he wants. That is his number one motivation and this is why he came when PMB summoned him. Like it or not but an honest and pragmayic man will say Tinubu cannot have too many complaints.

All SW States now have APC governors. The SW is gaining some really pivotal capital projects the PDP ignored under OBJ and GEJ. The Vice President, Many Yoruba ministers and Tinubu boys are some of the most powerful in Nigeria today when this was never the case under OBJ or GEJ.

Yet you ridiculously insinuate Tinubu will throw that and much more away for some silly shares that likely see him spending the rest of his poltical career back to the Egypt of political opposition? Your thinking is excellent to say the least.

Name the projects.

Every state has ministers.

The finance minister from the west was removed for a Northerner to take over. What are u saying?

Oshigun:
Do you ever accept reality? Given the events of the past decade you expect the North to trust Igbos ahead of the Yorubas who helped them gain the Presidency while you lot could only insult them and shout "GEJ or Nigeria burns" in 2015 to then shout "Biafra or death" after GEJ lost?

That is why Igbos do badly at mainstream politics. You guys are too emotional and never accept reality. Keep obsessing over the past and ignore today with new reality and new players. You will be shocked in 2023 if you think the North will reject electoral allies who delievered for them to embrace those who openly profess hate for them.

If it were Yorubas in the shoes of Igbos today we will pragmatically accept our national stock is low and make effort to build bridges to amend this and not be shouting arrogantly all over the place insinuating we have the right to reap where we did not saw. Total bunkum only you guys can come out with.

Which electoral allies? The one they humiliated in the first tenure?

My brother, with all the troubles of the Igbos, the North still trust them. Yes, igbos are brave and outspoken. They can't swallow humiliation like others because of politics. They believe they can survive without presidency. The North knows that when an igbos says I stand here, that's where they stand unlike some people.

Yes igbos don't stand in the line long enough to get presidency, because once you piss them off the say, to he'll with the presidency and tell you their mind.

But the truth is that Northerners will still trust that troublesome igbos with power than the humiliation swallowing yoruba.

Now Yorubas don't want igbo president, North can't trust yoruba president. So at the end of the day, an Igbo president will still have to be the mediator between the North and south.

The North needs an igbos president more than the igbos. They can't and will not hand over to the yorubas. They rather repeat Abiola saga than hand over to yorubas.

The North needs a president that can.give their word in their interest, and only an igbo man can guaranty that.

That a why the yorubas will rather stay away from the North the way Tinubu is staying away from Buhari.

But the igbos will live among the yoruba and Northerners. Get what the North has, take to the west and sell to the yorubas.

How many yorubas live and invest in the North? That is where the trust is built, not politics.

Oshigun:
Pray tell us what Atiku can offer that will be tempting to Jagaban. Atiku who has already said he will support Igbo Presidency? That is the biggest reason for Tinubu to work very hard against him !!!! You are so desperate to see Tinubu help Atiku because you obviously know the importance of the SW unlike your more emotional and hate-filled IPOBian brothers.

Yet you cannot comprehend what is easy to see which is that Atiku's political ambition is toxic to Tinubu's political interest. Yes Tinubu will work for an Atiku win so that Saraki can use the legislative arm to hound him personally and frustrate the SW even more than he is doing to the PMB government today.

Indeed Tinubu will secure an Atiku win so the PDP he shed blood to oust will begin a new incursion into the SW using the executive and legislative arm. You are one smart guy. An Einstein even since you cannot comprehend that Tinubu is not suicidal. .

Tinubu has always been with Atiku. When he sold part of his shares in intel to Tinubu, you were not there. So you think Tinubu is going through all the humiliation to to return power to the SW?

And those that humiliated him will hand over power to the SW for him to revenge?

Wake up, even Tinubu knows that power iys not returning to the SW in 2023.

The best he can get is a restructured Nigeria that can give him full control of the region. Which is still not possible under buhari.

Oshigun:
That is your own opinion but nothing stops Tinubu from working towards that happening given how the SW has supported Buhari while the Igbos remain his passionate haters and gave the PDP GEJ almost 100% of their votes with same likely to happen for Atiku. While on the topic, 2023 is not going to the SE and you better accept that . No one, least of all the influential North, will risk trusting Igbos with power right now for obvious reasons.

The self-harming behaviour of the Igbos, in the last 9 years, starting from when GEJ became President, and lost the Presidency, has been disturbing and scary to say the least. You need to remind us who the North gave quit notice to for always insulting and pouring invectives on the region and claiming others are the problem of Nigeria. The Igbos have no strong political allies right now and that is their own fault. You can't insult others non-stop and profess open hatred for them for years to then seek their electoral support.

And you believe the North will trust the yoruba more than an Igbo?

Ask Abiola or fella kuti how far.

https://www.nairaland.com/2562339/yorubas-problem-nigeria-sanusi-lamido

zlantanfan:
if you guys aren't OSU lepers in your region whose votes and opinions doesn't determine anything why are you sweating irredeemably to beg tinubu for support.


What kind of slaves exist in the east

The kind that smiles in public while crying at home. The type that his wife speaks out for.

zlantanfan:
lol, where then is it going the east that would be voting PDP in 2019 and still loose abi?

And the west will vote?

zlantanfan:
you are the one with problem here, you believe tinubu would work for atiku but I can assure you he stands nothing to gain by that arrangement ( atiku doesn't have anything not even money to court a tinubu).


Consider the circumstances surrounding the last time tinubu made such concessions and now is a whole different scenario.

Tinubu has benefited, still benefits and would continue to benefit a whole lot from this arrangement as well as his region, in fact saraki, atiku etc only left APC because they weren't assured of the presidency plus only the buhari and tinubu groups were perceived to be benefiting by the arrangement.

There is more to the life of a politician than money. With all the money in the world, tinubu can be reduced to nothing over night by the president.

Is it money he lacked when his wife said he was humiliated by the party he worked for?

There is something he needed that he did not get, and Atiku would offer him that.

omoowo8888:
Trash as usual...not surprised

We meet again.

Oshigun:
Indeed. The ultmimate goal of Tinubu is for the Presidency to come to the SW under the APC because that will be a distinctly different kettle of fish to the last SW Presidency of OBJ. If you know you know.

Leave Mekaboy with his Tinubu obsession. He runs around claiming Tinubu would work for Atiku at the last minute and would betray PMB. I think this is because he secretly admires Tinubu and wants the man's legendary political sagacity at Atiku's disposal even as a child knows that proposition makes zero sense.

Can any sane person tell me what TInubu stands to gain from an Atiku and Obi win? SW back in the wilderness with 2023 ticket surely to bypass the region? Yes indeedTinubu is a self-harmer who will work against his own historical interest he has fought to achieve his entire political life by siding with Atiku. Makes perfect sense.

The presidency is not going to SW even if Buhari wins.

zlantanfan:
i don't get you I thought you said tinubu was been humiliated?

How then is it possible for tinubu to sting buhari, who should be the one stinging each other?

This your tinubuphobia is really making you hallucinate o

There must be a problem with your comprehension here. But u will understand as events play out.

zlantanfan:
Emeka can you do us a favour and vote your preferred candidate without involving tinubu into it.

If tinubu is displeased he would say it with his mouth

Did he tell Ambode with his mouth? He waited for the last minute when Ambode was helpless to sting him.

The same way ambode did not see it coming, Buhari won't see it either.

Oshigun:
@OP.

Bro, you are obsessed with Tinubu and clever folks will know that constantly talking about someone, whether negatively or positively, means you are infatuated with that person.

Buhari respects Tinubu enormously and has given him a lot of concessions but they can't work too closely because PMB is more an outright and very cautious socialist whereas Tinubu, at best, is socio-capitalist unafraid to risk money on big PPP projects like Eko Atlantic et al.

Buhari is not a traditional politician versed in every aspect of the game whereas Tinubu is. From checkmating the rigging of the PDP and going to Court in the OBJ days or fighting thuggery with thuggery, Tinubu is ready to do it. Tinubu is the consummate politician and PMB may be wary of him but not for the reasons you adduce. He did not snub Tinubu but kept him at a distance because of jarring styles.

Nothing wrong with that because Tinubu does not need to be part of the inner circle of PMB to get what he wants. He only needs to always work for and support PMB and the principled general would return the goodwill. Has Buhari not been good to the SW? Is that not what matters to Tinubu the most in the end? Just watch as Tinubu gets more concessions from PMB in 2019 when people like you say he will be used and dumped.

You don't understand that Buhari is a man of his words who believes in paying his debt to others. He has reached out to Tinubu and the Lagos politician is working hard for Buhari to sweep the SW and even outside the region as we saw in Kwara.

PMB and Tinubu will never be close in governance ideas but they can always work together for permanent interests which is what politics is about. Bruv, dont hate. Appreciate.

All this grammar you are speaking is like explaining Buharis person to Aisha his wife. The woman has complained that APC humiliated her husband and you are here sugar coating it.

You watch Tinubu on tv and then you know him more than his wife.

This is the reality on ground, if they could do such in their first tenure, they will have little or no need for Tinubu after reelection.

So this is when he has to activate his trap.

zlantanfan:
lol, believe me when i say those calculations would be harmful to atiku, tinubu actually knows how to play the political chess, I laugh at people who think the guy is been humiliated.

Someone has his protege as APC chairman,

can now even get Lagos govership unopposed for the first time,

he has his party across the west for the first time.

He is about adding kwara to the western structure for the first time.

Has a big northern political bridge courtesy of pmb.

Finally his protege would have a big chance at presidency 2023, he only just has to bid the time of buhari out

So you know tinubu more than his wife that sleeps on the same bed with him every Night? If she says her husband is humiliated, she knows what she is saying. Same goes to Aisha buhari.

Bannylove13:

Watch and see.

APC integrity in picture.

This is APC

We are no longer interested in Jonathan.

Did he whiten his teeth?

When the time comes, all these people from SW supporting Buhari without any tangible achievements and massive corruption, will so U-turn.